User talk:WagePeace

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Image copyright problem with File:LastMauMau cover.jpg
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 * Added non-free use rationale, as requested. -- WagePeace (talk) 06:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Jehovah as the Devil
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 * The above explains removal of the new section I had posted. I did additional research, rewrote the section to meet encyclopedic guidelines, reposted it, and added comments on talk page. -- WagePeace (talk) 21:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Removal of God as the Devil section of Devil
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 * This appears to have been an automated action unconnected to anything about the content. Perhaps it took place because I had changed a fairly lengthy section to a fairly short one, which the bot may have feared was a vandalous deletion. I simply clicked on undo for the bot's action on the article's history page and that seems to have resolved this matter. -- WagePeace (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Correct; and cluebot will not re-revert anything. BTW please don't use horizontal lines - it confuses things with sections. --  Chzz  ►  19:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Tag info
I'm a new user whose first article has been tagged. I went to as Template:Essay-like and Template:Weasel for info on the tags. The main question I had was to understand the process of resolving and ultimately removing the tags. At IRC help, I was directed to TAGGING. It would have been helpful to have a link to that article on those pages about the tags.

For example, Template:Essay-like has a "Notes" section. It could be helpful to add a bullet there, such as:
 * For information on the use and removal of and disputes about tags, see Tagging pages for problems.

I suppose I could edit those two pages to add such a note, but it would probably be best for some automated process to add such a documentation link to all pages about tags.

Is there something further I should do about this, or just leave it to you experts to handle?

-- WagePeace (talk) 13:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

--—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  13:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Template talk:Documentation is the talk page for the template that documents templates. Your question was misplaced, so I have moved it here. In the future, you can ask these questions at Help desk.
 * You do have a fair question, and it is one that comes up frequently at the help desk. I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/Cleanup.

Editing of talk pages
Hiya,

Just a friendly note to say, in future, please don't delete other users comments, or move them around, on an article talk page. It's not considered good Wikiquette to mess around with the comments of others, or even yourself. You can edit your own comments for minor typo's, spelling mistakes, etc, but not for anything else.

If you want to rescind comments, you should just put at the start and at the end of them, to strike them out.

In this case, I can see that you just wanted to tidy things up, so I'm just telling you this for your future reference. I can see your intentions were good, but it does make it difficult to see what has happened - for example, that my comments were in response to a helpme request.

I'll have a look back over the history and see if I can sort it out;

In future, when adding comments, put it at the end of the section, or start a new section.

Sometimes you might like to reply to specific questions, which you should do by indenting with : like this;

Question? --  Chzz  ►  17:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * response --  Chzz  ►  17:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Further comment --  Chzz  ►  17:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Question 2? --  Chzz  ►  17:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * response --  Chzz  ►  17:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Further comment --  Chzz  ►  17:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Note signatures on the end of each, to make it clear who said what and when.

Hope this helps; I'll respond further to your questions on the article talk page.

--  Chzz  ►  17:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I have replied to your comments in Talk:God_as_the_Devil

One thing I want to mention here: Please consider changing the phrase, "the god of the Abrahamic Bible and its sequels. The idea that the Quoran and other works are a sequel to the bible is likely to be very offensive to a lot of people. To avoid contention, I suggest changing it ASAP. I would do the change myself, but I'm not sure of appropriate wording.

Best regards, --  Chzz  ►  18:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * What if I changed "the god of the Abrahamic Bible and its sequels is ..." to "the god of the Bible, relevant in Jewish, Christian, and Islamic theology, is ..."? -- WagePeace (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Certainly better; I'd go with that for now, and seek advice from the project folks - as I say, not my field; I wonder if Yahweh would cover it all; I'm not sure how directly relevant the bible is to Islaam and if the implication could be misconstrued. Caution advised; but I certainly think that the suggestion above is better, and would highly recommend changing to that, whilst thinking about further improvements. Cheers! --  Chzz  ►  19:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

again --  Chzz  ►  23:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC) ... and again :-) --  Chzz  ►  01:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

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The talkback banner above links to Chzz's talk page, which has an undated banner that seems to say he's mostly quit helping out on Wikipedia, and which does not have links to old contents of the page. The messages referred to in the banner can be seen in the talk page's history. -- WagePeace (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Other user
Hello again.

Glad to see that discussions are taking place, and more input is being given.

Another user asked for help today, and coincidentally was thinking of creating an article on "God as a woman". I thought it might be mutually beneficial for you to make contact with them;.

--  Chzz  ►  16:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

didn't create God (male deity); they just edited it once. The user hasn't made any articles yet; they joined a few weeks' ago.

If you think that article should be deleted, you could nominate it; I'd suggest a prod. But it might be better to try and improve it or merge it into other articles, if there's anything salvageable.

Make sense? --  Chzz  ►  19:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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Carl Jung
I wonder if you've read Carl Jung's 'Answer to Job' - at least you may find this interesting, but also you may feel it could be mentioned in your article. It talks particularly of Satan as a character in the book of Job and posits that Satan may be a repressed or shadow of God. Calindreams (talk) 17:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of File:Jack's Hair at Troubadour, December 4, 2010.jpg


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Nomination of God as the devil for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article God as the devil is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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List of listings of US military actions moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to List of listings of US military actions. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because the subject matter is unclear (i.e., how is "military actions" defined?) and more references are needed. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your feedback. I've added a section on the meaning of "military action" and moved the links for external sources to a new References section.
 * Your message seems to say that I have the option to move the page back to the article space instead of waiting for it to be reviewed. Can you tell me how to do that?
 * . WagePeace (talk) 21:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thinking about this more, I thought maybe what you meant by "move the page back" was to undo your move. When I first tried to do that, it said it couldn't do that because there were intermediate actions. So I went and undid the changes I had made and then tried to undo the move again. It then said I couldn't undo a move. So I don't know what to do now.
 * I have redone the revisions I made to address the issues you raised. Is this acceptable now? Can you reinstate the article, or tell me how to move it back?
 * Thank you
 * WagePeace (talk) 16:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, WagePeace! You can find information about how to move a page on Wikipedia's "Moving a page" page. However, I would recommend submitting the page for review to get feedback from other editors. I have a general question about the main subject of the article. What do you mean by "list of listings"? Is this article intended to be a list of works, a list of all military actions done by the United States, or something different? To help prevent your article being nominated for deletion, I would recommend making the goal of the article clear. You may want to check out Wikipedia's guidelines for stand-alone list articles. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You may also find it valuable to look at Timeline of United States military operations to see what information your article adds to the encyclopedia. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It is not a list of works, and it is not a list of military actions. It is a list of lists of military actions. I called it a "List of listings ..." in order to not repeat the word "lists", but maybe I should have used the title "List of lists of US military actions". Would that be better?
 * I tried to explain in the first paragraph of the article that there are a number of different lists of military actions available from different sources and the actions they include differ in important ways. That's why it can be important for people to check and compare these different lists. The purpose of this article is to give people access to those different lists.
 * It appears that I did not succeed in explaining that clearly, but I don't know what else to say about this besides the explanation in the first paragraph.
 * The reason I tried to move it myself is that the submission process said it could take two months or more to be reviewed, and I was hoping I could get the article back in action before that. But I don't have a lot of experience here, so I'll do what you say. But I can't submit it now because I undid the change that created the Submit button. So, what should I do now?
 * WagePeace (talk) 18:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * On Wikipedia, "lists of lists" generally refer to a page that lists other list articles (see WP:LISTOFLISTS for a brief explanation and Category:Lists of lists for examples). I'm going to reach out and see if there is someone a little more familiar with this area who might be able to provide more guidance. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought "List of lists ..." might mean a list of Wikipedia lists, which is why I called it "List of listings ...". I look forward to hearing from the person you find for this.
 * WagePeace (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought "List of lists ..." might mean a list of Wikipedia lists, which is why I called it "List of listings ...". I look forward to hearing from the person you find for this.
 * WagePeace (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WagePeace (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of revisions and sources of 'Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad'
Hello, WagePeace

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username Klbrain, and I thank you for your contributions.

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 * Paragraph 2 simply says how the references were found. I didn't create or develop the information in the table. The information was created by the cited references. I thought it could be of interest to a reader how the references can be found. Would the article be acceptable if I remove paragraphs 2 and 3? That would provide all the important information of the article with references to where the information comes from.
 * WagePeace (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I can't follow your line of argument. There are two references on the page, and neither of them contains the table present on the page. It hence seems like the pages is a synthesis that amount to own research; that is, that in order to create the table you have had to search multiple databases and compare sources in order to generate the list. You've presented a method by which others could do this too, which amounts to the page also being a how to. Klbrain (talk) 13:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I can't follow your line of argument. There are two references on the page, and neither of them contains the table present on the page. It hence seems like the pages is a synthesis that amount to own research; that is, that in order to create the table you have had to search multiple databases and compare sources in order to generate the list. You've presented a method by which others could do this too, which amounts to the page also being a how to. Klbrain (talk) 13:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about List of revisions and sources of 'Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad'
Hello WagePeace, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia.

While your contributions are appreciated, I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, List of revisions and sources of 'Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad', should be deleted, as I am not sure that it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia in its current form. Your comments are welcome at Articles for deletion/List of revisions and sources of 'Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad'.

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Klbrain (talk) 10:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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