User talk:Yellow1996

That economy RAID topic again
(Wall of text -- I won't get upset if you hat it)

I've checked what I can say here on WP and what I can't (not the WP:Rules this time but what my boss considers a trade secret). Well, most of the workings are publishable, but the source is not. And I doubt you'd enjoy stuff like "struct oTheGround {...}" (pronounce it...) or "while (eCoyote) {Anvil.Drop}". Or scripts with "CAT /S \ALL\YOUR\BASE" (CAT.bat is a glorified "copy *.c con" -- let's call the command line a feline) But now unto great justice...

It looks like there's nothing on the web about the kind of RAID I made up -- its logical name would be a "RAID 5X5". It uses a matrix of devices, like this:

The first block of each device has the '0' rows and columns as XOR (parity) rows/cols. I.e. 01 = 11 XOR 21 XOR 31, 10 = 11 XOR 12 XOR 13 XOR 14. Thus, 12 devices carrying data and 8 devices carrying parity. Now, the definition of the '00' block can be expanded in 2 ways: by row then by column, or vice versa. Both turn out to be "the XOR of everything that doesn't have a 0 digit in its ID." Thanks to XOR being both commutative and associative. (I call 00 the pivot of the RAID block.)

The second block has 11 as its pivot, the third has 22, etc. It wraps around at the fifth block, which has 04. Thus the matrix dimensions must be coprime; if they were not, there would be pivotless devices while others would be worked extra hard. IIRC, the RAID article explains why that would be bad. Single failures (as opposed to married overachievers, I guess;) can be rebuilt by row or by column, so if, say, 00 fails and 02 is being used heavily, you can rebuild using devices 10 to 30 instead. Quite an improvement above a RAID5 of RAID5s, where you have to rebuild the inner RAID5 by its structure, regardless of any structure the outer RAID contributes.

All double and triple failures are recoverable, because if there are no more than 3 failures, no more than one column is beyond reconstruction by column. Rebuild all which are not, and then rebuild the remaining failures by row. (That's another improvement above RAID5 of RAID5s -- You hardly have to rebuilt the outer RAID5 in its entirety.) Now quad failures. Yes, the array can recover from most of these, too. Say, you have 3 failures which take one row and one column beyond per-row and per-column recovery. (That's already worse than average on a 4x5 array.) Then you have 3 failed devices, say, 00, 01 (have to be in the same row to kill a row) and either 10 or 11 (have to be in an already weakened column, other cases being easier to recover from). Now, if the next failure is neither 10 nor 11, the array will remain recoverable. Which is really only one drive, because the other one has failed already. (And with thumd drives, you might need that kind of redundancy!) Quite a survivalist, eh?

Internally, all drives have a collection of files which are 9 * 8 * 7 * 5 * 4K in size, just short of 10 megabytes. That facilitates pivot arithmentic, because as long as both array dimensions are coprime and <11, the first block of any file has a 00 pivot. (While large files are better WRT performance, you need one spare file for the resizing outlined below. I'd go with about 1% of total drive capacity, and leave about 10% on a thumb drive blank, because youcan't TRIM thumb drives.) Nice hack, eh?

Which brings the following reward: one can resize the array from, say 5x4 to 5x6 devices by processing first to last. 5x4 has 12 data + 8 redundancy drives while 5x6 has 20 + 10. Each 5-file series will convert into a 3-file series on expansion, i.e. the contents of files #0000 (120M + 80M) plus a good deal of the files #0001 will fit into files #0000N (200M + 100M). Building the #0000N files is quite a burden on the array, but the only things you have to keep track of is new data going into these first 200M. These data are "logged" (backed up) on an internal HDD anyway, so there's no serious write hole. Once you have all the files #0000N, just remebmer that the first 200M are in the #0000N files now, and process parts of #0001 + #0002 + #0003 into a set of #0001N files (which are the renamed #0000 files on the old drives). Etc, etc. Most of that rebuild process isn't urgent either; you do it when there's much idle time.

The only reason you'd want to put a resize on the priority TDL is if you want to get through it fast in order to schedule another resize -- and in that case, you'd have to WP:WHACK! yourself for not resizing it to that size right away... (Let's say you'd go from 3x4 to 5x4 to 5x6 -- why do the 5x4 step at all, then? Either go from 3x4 to 5x6 directly (don't pass Go, don't collect 2000 read/write cycles), or (if you need more storage 'now) make the 18 new drives a second array of 3x5 drives and 3 spares, followed by merging these two arrays into one 5x6 (more complicated, but not that much of a difference from the resize operation sketched above).

Doing that kind of RAID on a per-file basis is not exactly the fastest way to do it, but it's quite compatible, because just about any PC can read files from a FAT32 file system.

By now, the RAID has survived 173 single failures, 12 double failures, and an "unrecoverable" case of a quintuple (WTF???) failure. In the latter case, all data have been recovered from logs without admin intervention. As it turned out, at least 152 single failures resulted from a script which reformatted a faulty drive and put it b ack into the hot spare list.

P.S. What's so horrible about being a 16-bit legacy C++ class? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:30, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow. Thanks for all the info, One.Ouch.Zero! :) Actually I won't hat it; it's nice to finally see my talk page get used recently after all this time! Sounds like you had a lot of fun with that code ;) I particularily like the Zero Wing reference in there! It's nice to see when hacks like this work out rather than being dissapointments... I think I'll read up more on RAID systems now so I can fully appreciate your work! ;) Thanks again, --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:14, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The RAID code is written in "Cplusplus", but to be fair, the amount of C++ features I actually used would only justify the name "Cpl." Yes, old habits die hard :(  OTOH, I fake some Java features, like this:
 * Of course, I have to keep track of the "interfaces" myself, but it helps. (Interfaces are abstract classes, starting with "any", so I can write
 * and then another subroutine will take a parameter which is literally any Foo (i.e. descending from class anyFoo). Ugly hack but helps keep my brains together.
 * (I wrote the RAID code because I was quite unhappy about commercial RAID code - the newer double/triple parity arrays only inch forward into the realm of fault tolerance during a rebuild.
 * (The more drives you have per array, the longer it takes to rebuild after a failure, and to rebuild, most (if not all, in a naïve implementation) of the contents have to be read, which puts quite a strain on the remaining devices - and on responsiveness, but that's a secondary issue. So, to have decent space utilization, you need big arrays. And to rebuild big arrays safely, you need much parity info. Dang. So I decided to look at it from a different angle. First I noticed that RAID1+0 and RAID 0+1 are pretty much the same thing except for the order of the drives - there two different drives making one virtual device, and each of these is mirrored. And then, *lightbulb* hey, you can do the same with RAID 2's (which is the "pure XOR" approach with dedicated parity drive). How to translate that into a RAID 5-like array with balanced parity? So that coprimeness requirement stinks, but who cares if I can get a decent rebuild speed out of it)
 * About fun with the code, it was quite mutual. Sometimes, the code had some good fun with me. Anvil.Drop was a subroutine to finish an operation: write all the data, check back, and mark the according logs as "redundant", so that old parts of the log could be culled as soon as the transfer was 100% committed and verified. There were more extreme subroutines: Anvil.Footfall was kind of a "commit all" command; Anvil.ScrambleTheMichael (see Footfall too) saved the logs to a remote location, etc.
 * And if you're dying to learn what's so horrible about legacy C++ classes is that "all their friends can see how short their privates really are." Wait, that's just like Facebook, ain't it ;) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 16:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * (I wrote the RAID code because I was quite unhappy about commercial RAID code - the newer double/triple parity arrays only inch forward into the realm of fault tolerance during a rebuild.
 * (The more drives you have per array, the longer it takes to rebuild after a failure, and to rebuild, most (if not all, in a naïve implementation) of the contents have to be read, which puts quite a strain on the remaining devices - and on responsiveness, but that's a secondary issue. So, to have decent space utilization, you need big arrays. And to rebuild big arrays safely, you need much parity info. Dang. So I decided to look at it from a different angle. First I noticed that RAID1+0 and RAID 0+1 are pretty much the same thing except for the order of the drives - there two different drives making one virtual device, and each of these is mirrored. And then, *lightbulb* hey, you can do the same with RAID 2's (which is the "pure XOR" approach with dedicated parity drive). How to translate that into a RAID 5-like array with balanced parity? So that coprimeness requirement stinks, but who cares if I can get a decent rebuild speed out of it)
 * About fun with the code, it was quite mutual. Sometimes, the code had some good fun with me. Anvil.Drop was a subroutine to finish an operation: write all the data, check back, and mark the according logs as "redundant", so that old parts of the log could be culled as soon as the transfer was 100% committed and verified. There were more extreme subroutines: Anvil.Footfall was kind of a "commit all" command; Anvil.ScrambleTheMichael (see Footfall too) saved the logs to a remote location, etc.
 * And if you're dying to learn what's so horrible about legacy C++ classes is that "all their friends can see how short their privates really are." Wait, that's just like Facebook, ain't it ;) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 16:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I'm in a bit of a "if you don't use it, you lose it" situation with good 'ol C++. :) Though I never really got too serious into it, I think I need to find some resources and get back into it. I love solving problems like this; it's one of the things I've always liked about programming but I never really let myself get too fluent in any language (but I'm no beginner! ;) ) I went fairly far into JavaScript but I'm more interested in an all-purpose language than just web design. So Footfall looks like an interesting book...oddly enough my main reading category is sci-fi and fantasy from the 50's through the 80's! :) And yeah that's just like Facebook! ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Re programming languages, I keep wondering how many "OO" languages don't have destructors. My opinion about OO without destructors is, "it doesn't matter that writing destructors takes time and nobody really likes writing them," as some languages try to justify their departure from destructors. The same can be said about cars and brakes. (TOYOTA++?)
 * Programmers seem to prefer sex ed as reading category (the F*****g Manual ;) ). However, I like SF too (even more so as the written stuff isn't half as clichéed as the stuff on screen - no interspecies sex, no stupidly slow "laser" beams you can see in vacuum, no aliens looking like humans with fancy features), & my main writing category is, you guessed it, puns.
 * One more thing about the RAID was how flawlessly it rebuilt even after the big failure. It didn't complain or wait for any human input, but stoïcally rebuilt the missing parts of the array from logs (of which we fortunately had a lot). That's the greatest thing in programming: see your creation (and the RAID is 75% mine) surpass your expectations. And getting pwned by the in-game AI you wrote ;)
 * After less than a year with BASIC, I moved on to C and C++. That's my strong suit, although I'm still not entirely home at the finer details of C++ OOP.
 * And my approach to coding is like | this approach to golf. What about a golf style using railguns, instead of those prehistoric clubs? First, even if you hit bystanders you can still score a Hole in One, and second, programmers have tons of experience with all kinds of things coming off the rails. Publish it under GNU and call it GNolf?
 * BTW, class Gauntlet has >50% of its LOCs in function Run. *GROAN!* - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 15:04, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Well you certainly have the puns down! ;) That's great - you should describe this new RAID "5X5" to SNIA and go down in history! I never looked into C; should I learn that before I go back to C++ (pretty much start over)? Sounds good to me: →GNolf← create the article!!! :) --Yellow1996 (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually had to look up SNIA ;) Anyway, if anyone else can implement the idea, I wouldn't keep them from it. The only reason for patenting would be to prevent patent trolling.
 * One more code snippet:
 * Before refactoring
 * "After" refactoring
 * // hahah, beat you to it... - ouch
 * It didn't end like that but I had to buy more time.
 * Sure, the space efficiency sucks, but its rebuild speed makes it prime choice for unreliable media (like CD-Rs, the first hack was for backup purposes only). BTW, it's said that Google keeps four copies of everything. If they used my array, they could keep 12 disks worth of data on 20 drives and still be triple-fault tolerant (plus another 12 disks if they want to log ALL data - to close the dreaded write hole.) That'd be 32 disks instead of 48.
 * One final pun: Lithp in, Fithp out. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC) Oh well... that one was, excuse my French, crêpe.
 * Sure, the space efficiency sucks, but its rebuild speed makes it prime choice for unreliable media (like CD-Rs, the first hack was for backup purposes only). BTW, it's said that Google keeps four copies of everything. If they used my array, they could keep 12 disks worth of data on 20 drives and still be triple-fault tolerant (plus another 12 disks if they want to log ALL data - to close the dreaded write hole.) That'd be 32 disks instead of 48.
 * One final pun: Lithp in, Fithp out. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC) Oh well... that one was, excuse my French, crêpe.


 * Yeah I tried to link it (SNIA) but I put "Network" instead of "Networking"... resulting in an awful redlink. Yes there always seems to be some kind of trade off wind efficiency/speed, isn't there? ;) I had no idea about the secret strategies of Google-! ;) It'd be nice to see a diagram of your array to study, but I guess that would be a secret, right? Also, thanks for the Yu-gi-oh! reference in there - great memories!! :) --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:05, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * My boss still has a complete deck. Not with a cyberdragon, tho. I knew the LISP reference was lame (you did notice the vocal pun in "Lithp"?), but that you liked the yugioh ref more... Wow. Just WOW. Guess it depends on your memories.
 * The array is connected to a dedicated dataserver (with the actual mysql/web server being its only "dataclient") so it can manage the array transparently to the server. The tree structure is simple - two hubs with 15 drives + 1 fan each, a third hub with 4 hot spares. A 4th hub is for printer (old proprinter still in service), external HDD etc. The system is flexatile enough to use the correct grid layout no matter what the tree structure is - that's why I need the script level at all. Script takes care of fresh drives and puts files there - C++ code only works on drives carrying the files. One is a 1k text file stating that a drive is either "Line X Column Y Layer Z" (yes, it can run a 3d grid but that's sort of overkill, and the coprimeness requirement gets more crippling) or "hot spare" or "neither". If a drive fails, the C++ code looks for a hot spare with enough total file size and changes the text to the appropriate line/column/layer coordinates it replaces, and tries to delete the files on the failed drive. (If the text file doesn't exist, the drive is assumed to be a "neither". So, if you connect a backup drive, it will never try to drag it into the array as a hot spare.)
 * Scripts handle the "formatting" of hot spares.
 * Churl v. What you do after eating rotten chicken
 * Irrirating, adj. Impossible to get along with, for all but the laidbackest and getalongingest people.
 * Dictionaryan, n. A grammar nazi by any other name.
 * Just found this...
 * PUNNED! (sorry, couldn't resist) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Really? That's awesome! :) And yeth, don't worry - your pun was not wasted!! ;) Yeah I do have great memories of the show and the game, as a matter of fact... I need to pull those out again! Oh okay now I can really picture it easily - thanks! So how long has the array been up and running? --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * 4 years. Main code amounts to ~3,800 LOCs (excluding white lines, resizing/merging code, text logging but including data logging) - so it's not really huge. Oh, and it's running indoors, so no big "wind efficiency/speed" issues (sorry: oh whack, how did that link come to my mind?
 * About space efficiency, I noticed that modern HDDs get both faster and bigger, but they tend to get bigger faster than they get faster (wut?) Ahem, what i'm getting at is they are like 1000 times as big as ~15 years ago but hardly 1000 times as fast. The only tech coming close WRT both transfer rate and access time is SSD. Moving metal is a lot fastert han it used to be but approaching its limits. Server HDDs are actual flywheel energy storage devices now, and rotational latency can only be lowered by even higher RPM, which means a lot of waste heat just to keep the metal moving.
 * So, what about sacrificing space for faster operation? IMO, Raid5x5 might just be the sweet spot between the extremely wasteful RAID-1 and the extremely unwasteful but rebuildophobic (ITAW?) RAID-6. Not entirely sure how it'll scale up, but let's take a look at a 12x11 device array. Any single failure can be rebuilt within the line or within the column, or using a mix of both. Just use the units which are the least busy. And the space efficiency is (11x10) / (12x11) = 83.3%. Quite decent IMO. Need more redundancy for your 110 drives worth of data? 210 = 7x6x5 devices in a 3d layout can recover from 7 failures, efficiency is still a semi-decent (6x5x4) / (7x6x5) = 57%. HECK, that starts to sound like spam... - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain)
 * The best is in real life Scrabble; if you're good at convincing people, you can get them to believe that a completely fake word is real - I've done it before! ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There should be a word for it: Scramming (Scrabble+scam)? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain)
 * Ah - perfect!! ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I need to use that (x2)...
 * For new age families! ;)
 * I remember when I first learned that word; I overused it so much... nowadays only when the time is right! ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:46, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I keep using memes, too... but I'm trying to use only the more timetestalicious ones (like AYBABTU, I can haz, Zombie Appocalypse(sic), "I think not" - "Therefore thou art not" etc) and the "official" WP:memes (citation needed, WP:EPICFAIL, Other Crap Exists).
 * OMG this topic is drowning lol... - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It's funny because I remember when there were (or at least seemed to be) like 15 memes, then all of a sudden there are like 15,000,000,000 ones now!! All your base is one of my favourites though, since I've actually played Zero Wing (though I'm not very good at it!) - albeit on an emulator. To be honest, I didn't know that WP:EPICFAIL linked to trouting! So, are "I will sue you in a court of law in Trenton, New Jersey!" and ON WHEELS! not "official" wikimemes? ;)
 * Why would they be holding their arms vertically? That would just make them sink! --Yellow1996 (talk) 15:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Modern Life: "15 billion memes" is a gross understatement, but "OVER 9000 memes" is not. ;)
 * Eh, over 9000. Dang it. Double Dang. And on, and on. FINALLY!!!1! XD (Search for "over 9000" - OVER 213 results - Pretty offilicious)
 * My ranking would be 1)AYBABTU, 2)PWNED! (although it's more a huge fad than a meme), 3)can i haz.../im in ur..., 4) Leeroy Jenkins 5)Made of WIN/You teh her0/A Winner is You, Honorable Mention)Ohbummer (will be gone by 2020 tho).
 * ON WHEELS! Definitely. TV Tropes has IN SPACE!, btw. And Punctuated!For!Emphasis! - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. I would rarely merely repeat a meme. Vanilla Rickrolling is just horrible, imo. It has to fit in context, like this:
 * Quiz
 * The average person can figure it out in 25 seconds. Think you can do better?
 * What are the opposites of the following six words?
 * 1)Always
 * 2)Coming
 * 3)From
 * 4)Take
 * 5)I
 * 6)Down
 * A bit threadbare, but outside nullspace, that's good enough...- ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A bit threadbare, but outside nullspace, that's good enough...- ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You might be interested in (just popped into my head) one of my early actions as a Wikipedian. Over 9000 still can be over 15 billion, now can't it? ;) Yeah those are pretty great memes - how about "YOU'RE WINNER!"? - A winner is you made me think of that.
 * ON WHEELS! Is a good one! :) Sometime you should go through the list of accounts: search "Willy on" and start scrolling... there are hundreds of variations!!
 * A clever reworking! ;) Let me see if I can figure it out...
 * ♪ 1)Never 2)Gonna 3)Give 4)You 5)Up ♫ --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Bug Rigs. Fixed that for you. ;) (Can we say the Vista of games? And yes, I've heard about it before.)
 * p.s. Funny how List_of_video_games_notable_for_negative_reception links to F-bomb... and that WP has an article about that ...and how "You're Winner" is synonymous with "Epic Fail" these days. So many "You win" / "You lose" memes; they are "really" only two memes. The one that stands out is "Fission Mailed" - not really a "Fail" message.
 * "Over 9000 still can be over 15 billion" - of course, but the funny thing is that the former is seen as the stronger statement ;) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 13:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Proposal for a new WP:MEME
 * Fuck (disambiguation) This (disambiguation) Shit (disambiguation).
 * No, just kidding. The real one's here: Simple. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 13:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! :) Yeah I just checked that article now - I hadn't looked at it in probably a year or so (I used to read video game articles a lot but now, not so much...) I find it strange that they have Action 52 in the see also section yet it isn't included in the list itself. I guess it's because the game isn't notable for it's negative reception - it's notable for being terrible! Ever played it? I have. Luckily on an emulator though - a real copy will run you $200 at best.
 * You win/You lose memes are convenient for people because they can be used in many different situations (aka are very easy to overuse...) ;)
 * Ah, yes - Simple. I remember going on there and reading some articles. I actually have an account there because I accidentaly clicked a link while logged in (around this time last year, IIRC.) I remember their Missingno article being almost indecipherable... --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Action 52 - well, it's many games in one. Didn't flunk the "negative" part, I think it just didn't count as "a game."
 * "Indecipherable" - is that a word? Just kidding (again)
 * That's so horrible all your main scream turn on
 * Not the article, I mean the punchline was horrible - or is it a baseline? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * More sheMEMEigans (search for Ouch)
 * Now that's even better than my take on it - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've never played the Genesis version, though - which is apparently somewhat better.
 * Someone set up us the pun! And yeah I think it would be the baseline! ;)
 * ЬMИED¡ - too good an opportunity to pass up... ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Heh, that one's not that great a game either:
 * Quoting http://www.gamespot.com/street-cleaning-simulator/reviews/street-cleaning-simulator-review-6326398/: Pedestrians are just as incomprehensible. If you drive into them, they disappear. Much like the cars, they also frequently sink into the floor or walk through flat, untextured walls. If this were a survival horror game then it might even be creepy. But it's not. It's a Street Cleaning Simulator.


 * Uh-oh. Can you read this contribution without thinking "Giant Enemy Crab Tank", or "For Massive Damage"?
 * I tried to stress that they picked an angle where its armor was comparatively weak, but when I read it today, I was like zomg WTH?! - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 07:09, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Last month we had a great DVD night of NG:E, but this I let slip when my neighbor asked me to look after her kids, I was just inserting the disc (great timing, huh?)
 * Phone: *ring*
 * All friends: *facepalm*
 * Player: *zzzzip* (starts playing)
 * I: *mute TV* *pickup* "Hi?"
 * Neighbor: "Heee~ey... can you please look after our young ones, only for one, two hours, I promise?"
 * I: "Not a prob, I'll get your little angels in line just like Eva, heheh"
 * (yes, her other neighbor's name is Eva.)
 * All friends: *LARF*
 * Neighbor: *???*
 * Boy were her little ones NERVous when she picked them back up. ;) Around next week they will manage to sleep again. Or so I hope.


 * P.S. As lame as his pun is, I have to admit that that guy is quite a tool. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 12:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I should try it some time; never played a Street Cleaning Simulator!
 * Well now that you've put that in my head, no, I can't! ;) -- Yellow1996
 * Mission accomplished ;) - ouch
 * Ha I be they would be!! I wonder did your neighbor know what she was getting her kids into?! ;) -- Yellow1996
 * Well it was the early episodes, which are relatively tame, and they brought their own EeePCs, so they were only occasionally watching TV. No harm done, they were a bit nervous, not really shocked or panicked. - ouch
 * Hey, it snot as bad as other ones I could mention! -- Yellow1996
 * You mean, as those?
 * Or those?
 * Or, heaven forbid, this one? - ouch
 * Also back to memes, how about PUSH START TO RICH!? --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean, Please transfer $x to account ### to RICH?
 * The whole Internet meme is a quite narrow topic. Each generation had its own references to pop culture: Shakespeare, Beethoven's Fifth, "Go directly to JAIL. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $2000", "Beam us up Scotty", "KHAAAN!" etc, etc. Media keep changing, but the phenomenon is the same, be they propagated by writers, actors, orchestra, radio, film, record, TV, the web, or whatever.
 * Some are intended content (direct quotes count, as do advertising phrases), some are paraphrased (Beam us up Scotty) or original blunders (AYBABTU, You're winner), and finally there are third-party comments (parodies, fan fic, player comments).
 * No way how we slice the topic, by media, year, or kind of content, somebody will be unhappy. :/ - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No matter how you slice it, it's obvious one needs a rye sense of humor to appreciate those bread puns! ;)
 * *buns - ouch
 * Making wood puns sure is one way to get poplar! ;)
 * Or so wood yew think - ouch
 * Exactly - that's the example I was looking for!
 * Oh yes that one - great memories. Haven't gotten one of those in a while! ;)
 * Yes, exactly. With the internet anyone can "rediscover" something funny/worth spreading (as in the case of AYBABTU) and then before you know it, it has propagated all over. And yeah, someone will always be unhappy, especially in the cases of overused and/or dry memes (arrow to the knee?!) ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 15:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh the iron knee. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 13:34, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Well you know what they say, "all toasters toast toast!" :) --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 16:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. --Yellow1996 (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Some weird data structures I've maintained: H-queues (Hash-queues). Next stop: P-queues (permanent queues), which can be saved to HDD and reloaded later. Then, U-queues ("universal queues" with some special feature set requirement).
 * Finally, we needed some with all those features, rolled into one. The PHU queue.
 * Customer (on phone) "I have some weird error message" (i.e. an assertion, not a thing we had caught and handled more gracefully)
 * My coworker "Well... please read the error message"
 * Customer "Uncaught error in module PHUQUEUE, line" *cough* "Did I just say that??? ... So sorry, I mean P-H-U-Q-U-E-U-E"
 * Coworker *giggle* "Don't worry, I know that one..."
 * (more troubleshooting; we set her server to use fallback routines (the slower ones with fewer bugs), when everything is done...
 * Customer *hang*
 * Coworker "Someone save the audio log, QUICK!" *rofl*
 * She's still with us - six years, still queueing. - ¡Ouch!
 * Bonus Q: This is complete whack. What would a real programmer do? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 16:53, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have the audio log for that?!!
 * All right, tell me: what would a real programmer do? ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * He would not import antigravity.
 * Comment out "import gravity", that's what he'd do.
 * Ah, should have known! ;) --Yellow1996
 * Oh yes, we have the audio. The only prob is in the legalese, so we can't publish the client's words which were meant for our ears only.
 * Even more so since we were the party to coin the ambiguous name :(
 * But wait, it gets better... one time (when we were still using 3.5 floppies (slightly NSFW) our boss was quite fond of "your mom" jokes, too fond in our opinion. I was at the receiving end a lot. Until we introduced him to our internal, until then "boss-proof" chat. Long story, basically a cancelled request from a client which we continued in our free time.
 * We had some kind of competition who'd first him at a YourMom ;) and one of my coworkers logged in as a guest. He didn't know. (You know where that one's going, right?) I showed him some of the non-standard commands ("enter /C followed by a digit to set chat color", "enter /c followed by same digit to write one line in that color", etc)
 * When the first "Who" question came up, I told him, "Enter Your Mom". *type* "WHAT? Did you just tell me to enter...?" I thought, "...and that's how the world came to an end", but he only said, "Well played!" I wish I had an audio log of that.
 * That's too bad about the audio!
 * As for the "your mom" scheme I must say that was pretty clever!! ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Just found those. One.Ouch.NineZeroZeroZer0!!!!1!
 * Epic Missed Opportunity.
 * WP has an article about it – "d00d what article are you doin?" "Your mom" - ouch
 * You should add your story - oh wait... --Yellow1996
 * Back to building a pedia? At least the following articles are still unwritten:
 * User screws up but calls IT bcause (s)he's convinced the fault is in the mobo (or computer as a whole): Brainboard fault
 * Same as above but in Management: Lardware fault
 * Easy-to-type but nigh-impossible-to-read variable naming scheme: Obsqwertyucation
 * Actual mainboard fault with silly LED light show: Blinkenlichten (from the Jargon file- reprinted here for reference only)
 * Same as above but with fried components: Stinkenlichten
 * The science of the origin of insects: Entymology (it's a redirect now)
 * The science of adult books: Cliterature
 * Durrr...;) is Sparta a meme? Is the Joker? IMO, both are. From comics/movies, and propagated a lot via the Internet (and sign defacement) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 13:20, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I can't thank you enough for giving me the excuse to post this here:

By the way, ever tried ? If you type that into command prompt in Windows XP, then you are presented with the beginning of Star Wars Episode IV in ASCII! :)

Yeah those are both memes, IMHO - anything can be a meme, as long as it catches on! --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Some1 else's take on the RickRoll, essentially same version as mine. However, the replying party gets one wrong, and one only sort of wrong.
 * Sorry about the "Joker" photo, but creepy things happen if the light doesn't hit you perfectly...
 * watschen vs. WP:WHACK!... ahem.
 * WP:ENGVAR without WP. I saw the "Nobody cares, Canada" line coming. The "wrong flag" line, not so much.
 * Oops, back to the 'pedic stuff. I'm semi-regular on the ref desk. Just check my contribs (more pain)...*g* - some are funny too. And search the RDs for "pwned" ;) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 10:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah Omegle! I remember that... you'd get the strangest people on there. ;) One time two guys I know got connected to each other in the same computer lab, and they didn't know it until they had been through an er... "interesting" conversation!
 * Oh, WP:ENGVAR? Well I'm Canadian and use 200% more Britishisms than the average person up here... seriously - it drives people nuts. I try to avoid talking about metal lest someone bring up aluminium (as opposed to aluminum.) By the way, what's your favourite colour?! ;)
 * I'm a ref desk regular too; but only on the computing desk. Once in a blue moon I've posted on Misc and Ent, and I've asked quite a few questions on Language... Oh and back to memes, how about AAAAA! I can't believe that link actually worked. --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, but my link failed. Watschen is an actual German word, and it means "whack" (or slap), not "watch."
 * Now I got to edit Troll - check that edit summ! Problem???
 * Eugh, just found another troll. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 07:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Ha that's why I love edit summaries! ;) - Yellow1996
 * The meme is "u [ese] mad bro?" but that would have been too insulting. Everybody gets their keys wrong from time to time, even in nullspace. On the RDs, I made some worse ones, just search for "unclear fusion ouch", one I remember because some users picked up on it.
 * Reminds me of those autocomplete ones... which there are plenty of! - Yellow1996
 * You mean autocorrect? - ouch
 * See also: WP:Unusual requests, if you haven't already. --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:20, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I suggested one of these. Long time ago, galaxy far away...
 * So we're back at memes. Damn.

Page of the day: smooth number. Just found that the product of smooth numbers is smooth. Multiplication is a smooth operator. *GROAN*

A "Programmer's" take on How to I land plain? (How to I shot web?):

x = x; // make sure that x stays the same

fsubp st(0), st

If you're not into 80x87 assembly, that will not only subtract Stack Top from itself, it will pop that result when it's done! It turned out it was vital, actually, not another How to I pop stack. When I ran into an emulator that returned negative zero in some cases, the program broke.

while (i) i--;	// Set i to zero but take your time

WAT? *facepalm* +_+

cat (Unix) a.k.a. "I is in ur wifi printer, and u is out of paper" Which brings up a less funny topic. Could you please look into the article, I spotted some badly clobbered tags but I might have missed some. Reward: another punny edit summary (you have to compare the article before/after the edit to get it). Mission accept?

Still missing: dog (Unix), the command that eats your CompSci paper. And dog (DOS):

C:\> dog COMMAND: Bad or missing dog


 * Oops, now that's a fail! DOS error message wording with UNIX-style syntax: (program): (error message). - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 12:04, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

And probably the best of the bunch, type punning. One of the things I learned on the RD/C. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 13:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem. I "found" (see edit summary...) an emdash; in there - a long with a couple of other minor errors. Punny edit summary now? ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * PANIC* ((°0°)) "Edit source"? *headscratch* Oh well, it's not view source. WP is not suddenly all read-only. Phhhew...
 * Great job with the m-dash. These are just the kind of errors that keep escaping me.
 * What are the top 3 things you hate about Wikipedia?
 * My #3 - the recent slowdown on WP. It started when they made that "edit saved" pop-up. Something about that wiki software is slow these days, and it seems to get worse all the time.
 * My #2 - certain topics on the RD, for example certain proprietary software. I'm not talking about Windows issues when the OP doesn't know, but about the issues when they do know what program it is. Browsers and mobiles are quite notorious. OTOH, microwave questions are usually great fun...
 * My #1 - political topics at WP:AFD during election years. They just don't bloody stop short of a 10-page debate!
 * Not trying to "push" my opinion on anyone, just comparing. Do these 3 annoy you 2 ?
 * Some article discussions are actually quite refreshing. Some go like this one (Tumblr, still safe for work). But it's always good to have several angles on the same topic. Page of the day: your mother, Cheezburger on how Obama misses epic Your Mom opportunity, enter her, and yo gramma ;)
 * And that one make a good t-shirt. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 12:04, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! :)
 * My computer is always somewhat slow (Toshiba Satellite, Vista Home Premium, 2008) - though that's really only when there's updates or when AVG is in one of those moods... ;)
 * Hmmm no I generally don't mind those types of questions; and how about washing machines? ;)
 * I regularily monitor AfD so yes, I definitely notice that around election time (for the USA, at least ;)) though I only get involved in AfD debates on articles about stuff I am knowledgeable on! - Yellow1996
 * Yeah, those Eaglelanders must tick you off twice as much as me... most just don't add up. Hey, I spent $4,000,000,000 less than that Republican on campaign, and I ain't no president either. Your move Mitt.
 * OMG, had to look up at Barack O. what the Republican's name was - that was quite a slowdown (2 min freeze). Did the NSA just download my entire browsing history??? - ouch
 * They probably did - they also might be spying on you or maybe even changing your weather! --Yellow1996
 * "O.M. ." – An atheist. - ouch
 * Ha funny though because us IE users are excused (at least were) from WP:Visual Editor... though I must point out I only use IE for Wikipedia, merely out of habit (it would be the first site I'd visit when I opened the browser, before I got FF) so pretty much I use FireFox for most everything else. --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:12, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "The really sophisticated machines will make the heavier side spin more slowly" - whuck?
 * The other topic on that RF:Misc day makes me think "biased editor is biased" - dang, another meme. :/
 * I'm on FF on a really old rig (a celeron desktop with 133 MHz FPS) yet still, it's quite manageable. WP: great, but AfD is still on the slow side, Tumblr: so-so, depends on content, def'ly slower than cheezburger, TvTropes: good (close to WP), Fuc... I mean Flickr: *bleh*, Notalwaysright: poor (given the low amount of actual content they have per page), thedailywtf: GR8 (but what do you expect of a site dissing bad coding habits), Y!A: ok but could be better with the low content density. Xp, SP #2.
 * FSB, not FPS actually. That "ADM box" topic last week must have left its scar.
 * Oh, and #4 - I don't like vandalism either - but to be fair, I haven't seen any significant "live" case yet. That is, the only cases I've seen first hand were already reverted. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 16:37, 3 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Biased editor is biased... ;)
 * Re vandalism: I have seen many live cases, and generally I get a good laugh out of some of it; though for the most part I don't like it! See also: WP:BJAODN, if you haven't already. ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 22:27, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Your BJ link is way better than mine. Great collection.
 * OTOH, is that an avoided Rickroll, or am I reading too much into it?
 * What I rally like about WP: #1 - we get linked to clear up things like this,
 * 2 - that WP is not censored (and censor "panic", WTF?),
 * 3 - that we even have Pull my finger (which links to Mordecai Richler btw), among other articles about practical jokes,
 * Friend "pull my finger"
 * I (drunk) *pull*
 * Friend *fart*
 * I "THIS IS FARTAAA!"
 * and #4 - our ref desk volunteers answer questions about non-meme-related breeds of cats and Pig Latin ...
 * Should we, as somebody suggested long ago, if an editor is too biassed, quarter him? No, that would leave us with four half-assed editors. *SCNR* - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 12:26, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah I discovered BJAODN around this time last year... it's really too bad we don't do it anymore. However, the original pages still live on an external wiki (also on UnMeta, I think...) but unfortunately both sites are pretty much unactive because the pages are protected (though the last time I checked was probably January...)
 * Sometimes I even search Wikipedia for something before Google! (don't tell them I said that though, ;) ) - Yellow1996
 * Me too, me too. Google anorexia and read what it throws up. "Google Exception 707 - Internal overflow" - ouch
 * Oh yeah? Try searching

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 * and see what you get!! ;) --Yellow1996
 * They also answer questions about non tropical fish... I remember reading that when it was first posted, and your comment above reminded me of it. Too bad that was back when I only read the RD and didn't post on it! --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Looking for non-tropical fish" – "WP:TROUT." Problem? Solved.
 * "(Whatever you're smoking -- share, dammit :-) )" - a tagline to rofl to.
 * 1933 in video gaming – "sorry but i can natzee what you did here"
 * 22.86 Centimetre Nails – "no thanks, that's 0.125 bytes too much metricism"
 * List of really, really, really stupid article ideas that you really, really, really should not create - oh really???
 * Articles_for_deletion/Cake_cannon is a lie.
 * What's green and eats articles? A deletion frog. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 10:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC) Duh. Sorry, that one bombed.


 * Ah yes - why didn't I think of that (trouting)? - Yellow1996
 * Because you care whack all about fish puns??? - ouch *
 * Ha I'm pretty sure there was an entry for 1880s in video gaming somewhere in BJAODN.
 * As far as what's still here on Wikipedia itself, I'd have to say one of my favourites is this.
 * I need to go search for that cake cannon article! I don't remember seeing it in any of the BJAODN pages...
 * Yes, indeed! And oh - before I forget: do you know about WP:FLOW yet? I was thinking about maybe adopting a custom signature just so I can say I did before/if that gets implemented... here's my idea so far:
 * --.Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 16:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * subtle in the front and not so subtle in the back! ;)
 * That's all I could come up with so far... ;) --Yellow1996 (talk) 16:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course you can use that one - I put it on WP, so it's a CC-BY-SA content (and the link from this page to the RD where I used it satisfies the BY part). How did I come up with One.Ouch.Zero? Well, my old alias was quite close to a perma-banned account, so I picked something different but still with "one" and "zero". What to pick, "One.zero"? I asked a friend, "would 'One'" (kneedesk) "*Ouch* '.zero' be a nice name?" " 'One.Ouch.Zero'? Sure, why not?"
 * LOL. And that's how One.Ouch.Zero was coined. - ouch
 * Cool I love it when ideas come about by mistake, makes them so much more special... ;)
 * And yeah having a name close to a permabanned user would indeed bring up some problems - especially if you happened to edit articles in the same scope as the banned user! --Yellow1996
 * The good parts of WP talk cultures are in my opinion that (1) non-admins can kill abusive / vandalous posts, that (2) non-admins can clarify badly written replies (I've been at the "receiving" end of that one once, and I liked it - after all, the reply was improved through clarification), and (3) that, as I've done several times, regular users can split different topics to keep related aspects as close together as possible (example: see "*" above).
 * As unusual these features are, IMO they are very good and highly important in places like the ref desks.
 * The one peeve of mine is Sinebot - I'd prefer that every "talk" page (including the RDs) would auto-add sigs. The standard signature ("One.Ouch.Zero(talk)" instead of "¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain)" ) would be the only hint that I'd screwed up again at signing. No need for the "Preceding unsigned" yaddayadda if one could easily provide the standardized sig instead.
 * I've searched for a certain wording for Little Boy, but it is neither in the article history, nor in BJAODN, nor on TV Tropes, "Hiroshima as a unit of measure". Somebody described Little Boy, obviously playing on the Tropes page, as (paraphrasing) "yield of 16 kilotons (~66 TJ), peaking at 11 millihitlers (66,000 dead) per hour." Still too soon, - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 10:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Quick update: even List_of_humorous_units_of_measurement doesn't list the hitler (6 million dead). Still an entertaining read. My bad, it's on the Tv Tropes page - tab Webcomics. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 12:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree with all 3 points - and I really like the system we have here. Though it may sometimes get crazy (like on this page!! ;)), it still works really well.
 * That's true; I don't know anything really about writing bots, but how hard could it be to read the user's custom (or otherwise) signature form their preferences and then append that rather than the unsigned template?
 * Ah that reminds me of something I read on BJAODN... something to do with measurements I think, but I can't recall it now... also on bjaodn.org I remember there's a page with hundreds of ASCII cows... I don't remember where they originated on Wikipedia, though! --.Yellow1996.(ЬMИED¡) 16:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What WP needs, IMO: a bit of tongue-in-cheek comments like this one: "This article bears the unpleasant designation of "Stub". This is a Bad Thing. Provide a great service to [readers] everywhere by making it awesomer!"
 * Wouldn't work as well on WP as it did on a more specialized wiki, I have to admit.
 * What WP doesn't need (on that article anyway): this one. Sorry. There are donations. And then, there are "donations." ;)
 * OTOH, Wikipedia needs donations. I don't challenge that... - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Exactly - it seems as though most users are against humour these days. IMHO it really helps the project and gets new people to join (unlike some of the WMF's other ideas.) There's actually an interactive FLOW prototype you can mess around with... I've tried it a few times. It's my opinion that the boxes are a little too cluttered and the discussions just aren't streamlined like they are now. It's been a couple of weeks since I last tried it so I'll probably give it another go so I can see what they've changed.
 * And yeah, "donations!!!" ;) --.Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 17:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, I guess I crossed the line with that "donations" joke...
 * One learns new things every day. Yesterday I learned about QR codes. A coworker (not the one from above!) explained to me,
 * "You point your phone at it, like this, the brackets show up, give it a second, till the button appears, and tap the button... like this" *tap*
 * "and it starts loading the page... or it would if I had better service right now"
 * I, "Wait a sec, you use the crappy little mole-eye cam of a device meant for verbal communication, to capture a bitmap that tells it what page to show on a display that's not half the size needed for a decent browsing session???"
 * She stared at me blankly that I could have seen the hourglass cursor in her eyes...
 * "No thanks, I got better things to do. Like printing 'Save the trees' on paper, and throwing eggs at an abortion clinic."
 * Even blanker stare, resembling a BSOD. Time to come up with one of my funny pics and move in for the lethal kill. Of death.
 * "But you can meet me" *click* "over there if you want?"
 * These are the days, for want of a Siri ;) She's evil, but at least, she's entertaining. And she doesn't go to the gym that often.
 * Good to read the full story on Wikipedia.
 * OK, back to humor (duh?) (I mean on WP), I think it should be used very sparingly in articles, maybe around a Donald Knuthesque level found in his books. Quote: "Random numbers should not be generated with a method chosen at random." On user talks and RDs, well, I'd prefer the Knuthesque level he used outside his books (makes sense, doesn't it?) with some links added (anything goes if it's on topic and not exactly bottom-of-the-interbarrel (i.e. 4chan, sickipedia are out), and not needlessly NSFW), and on article talks, something in-between.
 * The actual consensus seems to give us a bit more room than the written rules. xkcd for the win! - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:04, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah I remember when I first learned about QR codes. Some people wear them on t-shirts! ;)
 * You'd better run a virus checker on her, then! (suggestions: Spy Sheriff READ ARTICLE BEFORE TRYING!!! etc.)
 * Oh and the other day, I ed  ... actually did. It wasn't as amusing as they make it out to be... ;) --.Yellow1996.(ЬMИED¡) 16:10, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Needs more math ;) o rly? Or too much math already?
 * Found a nasty bug in HTML scripts once (together with blonde coworker mentioned above), where somebody had typed  for code... The tricky part was the syntax highlighter somehow kept highlighting it (double bug?) - took half a week. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 12:44, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Grr too much math it hurts my brain! ;)
 * Well one time I learned the value of making variable names that somewhat had to do with what they were for: I had (I'm not kidding):,  ,  ,   and  . I believe there was even a part where  , though that had nothing to do with  ... so now I have my fun by  ing functions with funny names... ;) --.Yellow1996.(ЬMИED¡) 16:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Me too... Found a great meme from the old times today: "pun totally intended"
 * But...y u no update ? j/k - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 12:04, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Aha! That's a good one... ;)
 * They missed one thing though: the barbed wire fence around win8 that says WARNING! THIS PROPERTY IS PROTECTED BY: LEARNING CURVE, INC. ;) (see also: this warning sign...) PS: I use Vista. --.Yellow1996.(ЬMИED¡) 16:12, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Learning Curve Inc. - good one.
 * Warning sign - ooo, only 1 click from All your base - I love CATS too - meme overload detected!
 * Top secret - Bottom secret.
 * Topiary. Bottomary ;)
 * I knew you used Vista - that's why i posted you the link (and of course to mention the "y u no..." meme template)
 * Oh yeah - forgot I had mentioned that before. (Just got a new userbox for it, too! ;) --Yellow1996
 * Is it a "memplate" then?
 * And the "your mom" meme is somewhat dead. Found the following:
 * User 1 (lame "your mom" line)
 * User 2 Your Mom is totally dead
 * User 1 How wood u no?
 * User 2 I did your mom last week and got no reaction
 * *ZING*
 * Sucks to get one's OS knifed by a corrupt update, tho.
 * No, scratch that badly fabricated link. This is the one. My feels r with u bro. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 09:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * But Microsoft wants you to get over that learning curve, for great justice! - Yellow1996
 * Once they pay me I do what they want. Tough luck if they don't ;) - ouch
 * Aww that's too bad about your mom. I'm sure someone will find a way to reinvent it! ;)
 * Indeed! So it was a corrupt update! All I experienced is posted at the computing ref desk (though you may have already seen that, I don't know because I just logged on.) And that appears to have dissipated as I logged on today. I forgot how much bad memories that bare-bones XP/ normal 2000/98 style brought back... creepy. --.Yellow1996.(ЬMИED¡) 16:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like Wikipedia did one better : Click your link and find (Redirected from Your mom) - LOL.
 * p.s. I'm on Y!A, too. My high score is 17 (best answer out of 17). Lots of n00bz&trollz there tho.
 * Not sure why you don't like the classic style. I'm half hysteric when my XP reverts to rounded corners - I've never seen the logic of wasting CPU cycles just to draw a GUI that wastes pixels. Any particular bad memories on your part? - Anyway, good to read that it sorted itself out. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 16:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Speaking of Y!A - dang, that's one way to put it... - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 17:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC) (Sorry for double post)


 * Grrr that's what I get for not checking my own wikilink! ;)
 * I can imagine! And wow, that's pretty good! Do you go for puns like you do on WP and with coding?
 * Well basically it's because all my old schools used the classic theme, and I always used the most extravagant stuff I could find at home... it always bugged me that they went for the bare-bones if they bothered at all to pay for windows (the entire district switched to ubuntu linux 1 year ago ;).
 * Yeah, I'm quite relieved!
 * Ha - I really need to start using that line!! ;) And no problem about the double post. Speaking of which, this page is getting massive. I'll need to do an archive soon; feel free to start a new section at any time. --.Yellow1996.(ЬMИED¡) 18:13, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you ever see an article title that gave you some really "bad" thoughts? The "Brain cancer" or "Never gonna sleep again" type of thoughts? I found one of those - perfectly (or not so perfectly, see below) innocent, but the title... Penetration aids *shudder*
 * It does NOT help that these are meant to escort nukes to their targets; double whammy.
 * Maybe we should start a feel-good title (maybe a Shower head article) to compensate (it's only a redirect right now)? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 13:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Gah that's pretty bad... I remember I used to read a lot of conspiracy and (mostly) urban legend-related articles. A few of them were quite creepy. Unfortunately, we used to have Internet urban legends, but that became a redirect (maybe you can view the old article through diffs?)
 * I'd be down for that! ;)
 * Also, have you noticed any changes in the edit window recently? All the "linked" buttons (like four tildes etc) are now cut-and-paste only; I have to manually type 4 ~'s for the first time since I joined (just noticed this a couple days ago. Wonder if it's a sign that FLOW is coming...)?! --.Yellow1996.(ЬMИED¡) 16:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Result! "Slender Man is depicted as an abnormally tall man who is pale white and faceless" - in other words, Mr XKCD??? ;)
 * Wow - never thought of that before... but yeah! ;) --Yellow1996
 * There used to be a "sign" button? Never used it. (ЬMИED?) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 05:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Speaking again of the penetration theme above, check this thread out - I found it yesterday, as I frequently read the archives of the computing desk.
 * Oh cool... I'm glad that article will live on through diffs. I think I remember the AfD consensus being to merge to list of common misconceptions, which I didn't really get (shouldn't it have been merged to urban legend?) But I remember never thinking up something useful to say there so I never participated.
 * Yeah, there was a sign button, but it's not clickable anymore... speaking of ЬMИED, how does my talk link look to you? Do you use the "Vector" (default) skin or something else? I ask this because I use MonoBook (what used to be the default on wikipedia until the summer of 2010) and I noticed small text renders a lot cleaner on MonoBook. --.Yellow1996.(ЬMИED¡) 17:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops...
 * "But Your Honor, it can't be rape for it was in consent!"
 * "That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. She barely introduced herself to you!"
 * "Yes, with the words, 'I'm a penetration tester'..." ЬMИED¡
 * Yes!! Perfect!! ;) --Yellow1996
 * I was searching the RD for "ouch" to pick up old thread I posted to, and "douchebag" came up. Thanks Firefox ;/ And there it is, yesterday's logged-out contribution I had to reclaim. And it was quite a fail - I restored my OS, so I should have known that my logins were broken. ЬH∩C·
 * Here, it looks like a black superscript(as it should if it points to its own page); elsewhere (RD/C) it looks like my "hurt me" link, and I used it to get here. Dunno about Vector & Monobook. I never changed skin settings, so it is probably the default, which could be different from today's default (I joined in late 2009). - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 06:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Re memes, found Cool Story Bro ("Great story") on RD/S. Reminds me of so many "tl;dr" posts - until somebody replied "st;fu" – Win.
 * Aaaaand the wwwwinner of the "ugly thoughts" award is... this.


 * Oh, you're always logged in? I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to those things (or maybe because I use IE for WP, as I mentioned earlier...) Why did you have to restore your OS? - Yellow1996
 * An old stress test rig. Once the usual tests to find obvious problems are done, we test our programs and the underlying OS till they break. All the crapware (realPlayer, toolbars, the version of Antivirus that kills genuine DLLs, etc) gets installed and we log what happens, and how it does. Private browsing is retricted to test rigs, and outside the main firewall too, so once in a while, one of those gets stressed, crashed and restored, and a different PC gets the internet role. The restored PC enters "standard" testing, etc.
 * Some of our clients like to install everything they can click. Others are quite careful, but we like to test some of the hard cases even if we are not directly responsible. Of course, if any Windows OS had real security, that'd be even awsomer (a meme in the wild - and that's the end of it, Tyrael changed privacy settings on Y!A). But I can't see that one happen. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, good. I've made a slight change to my signature now, too - but the talk link is the same. As long as it's legible! ;) Yeah then you would have started off with MonoBook, then got switched to Vector during 2010. Oddly enough I registered only a couple weeks after the switch, but I just stayed with Vector. Then when I became more of a regular user I realized I really liked the "classic" feel of MonoBook, and have kept it ever since (see WP:SKIN for more info.)
 * Also, to continue with our theme going here, how about this? -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 16:19, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Not a prime example IMO, it is what the page title says - basically as NSFW as a legitimate WP article gets.
 * BTW, my PC pqned me good, I was looking at a page containing this and scroll-wheeling - "hey stop rescaling, I'm not even holding that crtl key" - and then I realized that the image was moving and it only looked as if the cube pattern was rescaling. Optical illusion or just stupid???
 * gotta go, counterstrike is on (little todo today). Last winter one of our interns spammed half the session, "FEAR ME", and I had to play the stealth game (server is logged and all), "I hucking fear you d00d": guess that shut the ucker fup ;) Stealth for the win. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean. Then how about this, then? (if that happened on the RD today, it would probably get deleted... though then again computing seems to get by without threads getting deleted too often...) - Yellow1996
 * "Hah this is rich", I like the "I'll play straight man and say" reply, it gives a whole new meaning to homophones - ouch
 * Oddly enough, that user (Froth) was who I got most of the design for this signature from! I decided that if WP:FLOW is unavoidable, then I might as well see wikitext discussion off by using my most favourite signature design I ever saw... plus ЬMИED¡, of course! ;) --Yellow1996
 * Ah - I see. That sounds like a lot of fun, actually! ;) I'd love to get a computer and try and install all the garbage I could find; bet I could get it to a nonworking state in ten minutes. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 16:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Does Vista even boot in 10 minutes??? Compare Windows2000 boot sequence XP boot sequence Vista boot sequence <- I hope that even loads in 10 minutes, Windows Me and Your Mother
 * Just kidding. Imagine something reads the whole topic top to bottom and thinks... Not sure if that even counts as a stealth insult. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually I believe it takes my Toshiba Satellite about less than 3 minutes to boot. ;) Not that bad for being 5 years old!
 * I wonder if anyone already has been reading this topic though... especially now that this is the only topic on the page!!! Also, didn't find (or recall) any more funny Refdesk threads today. I'll keep looking. ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 16:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Poor clippy! - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Ooh! New questions! I'll be right over! ;) (reminded me of this as soon as I saw that.) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 17:00, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Some silliness on the RD:S (from homophones, to homophobes - oh keyboard, y u no place n away from b?), BTW I placed the link, habitats open to space (not that funny tho) and fragile HDDs on RD/C ( not that funny either ) I ran an excel sheet to see how much worse my risk of getting a faulty HDD among the new models really were, using some kind of Drake equation - inconclusive. So I ran a monte carlo, "buying" 10 million HDDs using same criteria (good ones with failure rates declining from .8% per month to .2% per month and then staying that low, and bad ones with 2% per month without decline - that's about the experience I got) - and the numbers say I get hardly any additional failures from untested models. 3 possible interpretations:
 * Nil Einne is right; I'm paranoid,
 * I misimplemented the Drake equation,
 * The Drake is a lie.
 * So, I learned something new from WP, I gave some advice, and I had fun. Retards - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 10:03, 30 August 2013 (UTC) (oh keyboard, y u no place T away from g?)
 * If you're having trouble with your keyboard I suggest (with no experience) Dasher (software) - learned about it from the ref desk and it looks kinda fun (and kinda annoying, too! ;)
 * Also, as I mentioned before I do a lot of reading in the archives (for computing), and I often come accross vandalism. In fact I've probably made almost 100 edits to the archives, none of which were to answer old questions (except some in the "unanswered questions" collections - but those don't count.) Here's something I found yesteday (on unrusted computer) that I just corrected... of all the pointless vandalism... -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 16:20, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Dasher - wow, nice app.
 * I came up with a new Y!A scale - I care more about the "best%" than the actual score.  0% and >50 answers: Not even trying.   <10%: New or sub par.   10%: Meh.   15%: OK.   20%: Above average.   25%: Helpful.   30%: Good.   40%: Great.   50%: Awesome.   60%: Teh Awesome.   75%: Gaming for points.   101%: FDIV bug.
 * BTW, I googled Tyrael (of Y!A "fame") and found some Diablo II / WoW reference, but I think the Egyptian spelling (without vowels) is more insightful: T-r-l, does that ring a bell?
 * Hmmm... T-r-l; or maybe even T-r-l?! --Yellow1996
 * Yup, damn right. You cannot exactly call this reply wrong, tho. Sadly, 95% of trolls are around this level of cluelessitude, if not the "wuz ta dinosawr killer a crashed UFO and iz we ta alien survivurz" level. Same as lawyers, 95% are bad and give the other 5% a hell of a bad retribution.
 * His percentage is higher than mine, too - ouch
 * You're a geek if you know the square root of FILE_NOT_FOUND and that there are two, one for system files and one for user files ;) ¡Ouch! (ЬMИED¡ / ЬH∩C¡) 11:00, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I really need to try it out. Apparently, it resembles an arcade game when played... maybe when my laptop keyboard finally fails (5 years old - any time now! :)
 * We should have a scale for ref desk answers too - get the OP's a chance to tell us whether we really helped them or not... maybe when they do WP:FLOW, though I'm still hoping that project gets canned. There's just too much fun culture etc. centered around our wikitext conversation system that I'd hate to see it go. I hope we at least get some sort of RfC when the time comes.
 * By they way, found this... though I think that may be correct I'm not sure? Can ejaculation really be used in that way? Guess I could ask on the Language desk. Though there's already been quite a bit of talk along those lines, insigated by yours truly. ;) - Yellow1996
 * "Lunar", "solar" , is "uranal" a word?
 * The joys of premature predictive texting.
 * Had a friend once, let's say near-girlfriend, she always told me she was short on cash, but then got a new iPhone for $800.
 * DaFuq? "But it's awesome, it has predictive texting" My reply text?
 * "It's over.
 * Bet your iPhone didn't predict THAT."
 * But I digress. TV Tropes has a page about it; they stated that ejaculation was synonymous to exclamation once. And intercourse to conversation, that's why some old books seem quite awkward today.
 * Why the USB write cache is not flushed as soon as the USB channel is idle, is beyond me, too. Making it depend on a button is just a recipe for disaster, one of the main causes our system doesn't run without logs. Imagine what a power failure could do. - ouch
 * Me (assuming "Condescending Wonka" pose (know that meme?)): "So... I heard you like Macs."
 * Friend (at the next computer over from me): "Yeah..."
 * Me: "Was it worth the extra $1000 to "think differently"? *trololololol*
 * Friend: "Yes, yes it was."
 * Unsuccessful Troll*... --Yellow1996
 * Not sure if failed troll, or ran into somebody about $1000 stupider... - ouch
 * Grr it's early and I can't think... what is the square root of FILE_NOT_FOUND? :) - Yellow1996
 * SECTOR_NOT_FOUND ? - ouch
 * Makes sense to me. --Yellow1996
 * Love the new signature, btw! :) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 15:12, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a one-time sig, which I won't use anywhere else. It would be disruptive and unCIVIL to use PHUC regularly.
 * Oh, that's too bad. But I guess you got a point there! ;) --Yellow1996
 * And now for something completely different: is there a word processor which can still read its 20 year old files flawlessly? Besides this one? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:42, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh PHUC. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:53, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd sure love to answer a ref desk question with "Answer answer answer" - but I'd probably regret it afterwards! ;) - Yellow1996
 * The source isn't off, either! Most of these trolls don't ask their questions at WP, thanks to the ease of use of Y!A, how ironic. Now if we get that FLOW, guess what's gonna happen.
 * Even worse on WP:Help desk - no matter how stupid and/or ill-placed the request (I'm talking about "Dear Google/Yahoo/Facebook/Dell/Samsung/Toshiba/iTunes" levels of illplacity), it does not seem appropriate to remove the section. But a stern reply gets deleted. For silly reasons no less: WP:NPA, as important as the policy is, it does not apply if no person by name, but only an anonymous alias or IP is attacked, and even less so if the "attack" is only in words and in proportion to the "crime." I'm no fan of calling somebody imbecile, fag, or perv for a misplaced request (that would be out of proportion), but a verbal cluebat is not a PA. - ouch
 * "Do you even convert oxygen to carbon dioxide?"
 * Whaaaaat?!?!?! --Yellow1996
 * That's what she said! - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:38, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Awww! I saw that coming, at least. --Yellow1996
 * Notepad is the One True Text Editor! Notepad FTW! -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 01:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Couldn't resist, just had to plag you on RD:C. On a related note, something in my kb is behaving funny, these recent fails cannot all happen just because I'm slow. (I should check the preview, tho) Most if not all are from my laptop. There must be something wrong with some keyboa+uejrashilmkserlzirtysduchmgksrlg ...aowww that's better ;) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 09:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, no worries - it's the perfect thing to say when you're defending your so-called (by others) "outdated" awesome software!! ;) --Yellow1996
 * Re Flow; that's exactly my thoughts on it. But... what about the Village Pump? By the way, did you know about the VP's true meaning? (hint: CTRL+F "Quebec") ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 01:10, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Tee hee, those Village People... Nailed the copypaste issue: dodgy CTRL key. Sometimes it did Ins, not CTRL-Ins, and I posted an "old" reply including an error I had spotted and corrected, and then I was typing and it did CTRL-N (File New) instead of "n" . Even worse, double n (i.e. "No" button), one whole paragraph lost, FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
 * On USB keyboard now. Problem? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 17:18, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I edit conflicted with myself yesterday when fulfilling an edit request! It told me someone (me, I guess) had changed the parameter from "yes" (answered) to "no" (not answered) - even though that's what it was to start with! In the end, it showed up as two edits to the page by me... one to do what I was supposed to do, and the second is just a modification of my datestamp (?); weird stuff for sure. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 18:26, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest you check out the Misc desk - there seems to be a lot of interesting threads going on today! ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 01:01, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Niiice... cab't wait to see the first conspiracist to come up with some sort of "9/11 ramp-up" "theory." These guys are 9/11 nuts, or 82%. And the remaining 2/11 may contain nuts.
 * And in the other news, I found Tyrael at the receiving end. (look what Yahoo highlighted: the user alias "Deadpool" and the phrase "Hell yeah") ;) OTOH, that is about as sincerious (ITAW? "bianry" is not) an answer as it gets. The other reply looks like a troll due to an atomic typo.
 * Minor update: meme - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 13:37, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Including one that got the axe, if you didn't catch that one (second from the bottom; the one at the bottom, incidentally, is still there.) Yet to find more hilarity in the archives though; stay tuned. ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 02:54, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "...outside the company of his peers." Pun level: EXPERT
 * Another meme, Pun level: BASE
 * in SPACE!!, as they say, ASCII silly question, get a (NSFW) silly ANSI.
 * And my contribution on RD:C, Sept 3, "XP vs. 8". Another meme, originally "posted" by Dante, and my take on Ye Olde Butcherde Englishe. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 10:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * News of the day: Apple buy Goatse (link is SFW) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Today I used GUIless Ubuntu for the first time... couldn't figure out how to turn off the thing. Just for future reference,  isn't a valid Unix command! ;) Although in the end we figured it out (looked it up on the computer next to it...) Don't have a lot of time to be on WP today... gotta get off quick because my computer needs updates (and you probably know what that entails on Vista, right?) ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡)  03:15, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 09:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That's awesome!! ;) (avatar candidate for when we switch to FLOW... I've already decided mine is going to be Vista-related!) Yeah speaking of that... that's pretty much the only thing I'd be excited about for WP:FLOW - avatars. But apparently they might not enable them...
 * Oh and also, old refdesk foolery. ;) Apparently seagulls were all the rage on the science desk in 2006! -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 02:45, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thought you'd like it. unfortunately, WP is quite strict on copyright issues; they won't make an exception for avatar pics.
 * And in the other news, this won't work with unix either. (But would "Fus Ro Dah"?) It's amazing how people (well, I) forget how to use the console. Recently I had to RTFmanpages because I only used the command line in a window recently and forgot about all the "low level" commands you don't need if you're in a  window of a GUI.
 * I found this. Pun level: Recall!
 * ¡Ouch!(undefined / undefined) 15:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice new signature! Is this one-time too? ;) --Yellow1996
 * I bet not! ;) Also, in Ubuntu if you don't enter the sudo password (just hit enter, thus getting it "incorrect") constantly, then the OS actually trolls you (ie. says "You type like I drive" etc!)
 * Here's one that isn't even in our archives... but lives on at the BJAODN wiki: here. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 17:57, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, "I need to sleep on that one" – words of a user who knows where their towel is.
 * Yes, another disposable sig: not illegal but still a bit on the long side; would distract too much and puzzle non-geeks, too. Thought you'd like it though.
 * "...I drive" – "I: drives are so Windows", retrolled!
 * Had an actual stealth insult moment the other day, when a coworker sent me this link and I replied with the mp3 mentioned here, but it went over his head ;) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah I bet it went fast over his head, too; since it was probably in orbit...! ;) --Yellow1996
 * ...so if we establish an average exchange ratio of 4 miles per cunt, my new car tops out at 36cph, but its fuel economy is a lousy 7.8cpg...
 * not to mention the "Needs More X" meme in the BJAODN page (seagulls)
 * On trolling software, what about a redirect to autocorrect? - ouch


 * More ref desk, this time food related! :)
 * Also, the ultimate bad joke: -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡)  03:13, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Like the 1st rule of iPhone Club? "The 1st rule of iPhone Club is you tell everybody about iPhone Club, irregardless of the number of fucks they give"
 * Indeed... --Yellow1996
 * Source: sickipedia.org. Better late than never - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 09:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Or the 1st rule of Tautology Club? "The 1st rule of Tautology Club is Rule #1 of Tautology Club"
 * Can't give the former source, but the latter was on xkcd.
 * Or Abstrusegoose? Could be either. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, lost and need directions? Then why not ask the ref desk? ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 02:53, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ow my head... The caption above that isn't bad either. And Mimas, and games with ants (all within one screen). I'd give it a different rating but meh. More ownage, meme, genitalia(but SFW). Needs more Picard, arms, autocorrect, or Jobs. Needs less Comic Sans. Nailed it. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:20, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah that one would be a better assesment! ;) - Yellow1996
 * lol d00d, u wrote "asses"
 * It only shows up in the "redirected from" line – too bad - ouch
 * Wow tons of awesome content... unfortunately the first one requires a login? Pfft that autocorrect! ;) - Yellow1996
 * The "ownage" link? Yeah but it seems to be safesearch-related (WTF?) even though it's perfectly SFW. That's, can we say, "all flicked up"?
 * Just a bunch of BSODed PCs (too bad, since part of the joke was, as with all pics, in the comments), and even that might not be genuine (BSOD screensaver or BSOD wallpaper would be the easiest fakes) - ouch
 * Hahahah I actually like that one enough to save it - would maybe make a good wallpaper for something! ;) --Yellow1996
 * Also, what should you do instead of cross-posting? -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 03:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cross-jobbing?
 * And in unrelated news, two towel-carrying yahoosers in one topic. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol - "It's TROLL time!" ;)
 * Well how about Shakespearean translations, favourite things, and a "TV cult" I just discovered... ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 22:54, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hungry? How about some red lobster... ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 22:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No thanks I'll have a bite of this (might be NSF56K) . Which reminds me of WP:EPICFAIL btw. ;) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 09:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't you sometimes wish that GIF images had soundtracks? How about some nice relaxing rap music, wiki style. :) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 22:56, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Some... but please no rap – that shit is bananas!
 * Trout me. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 09:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Damn I hit save when I wanted a preview.
 * OTOH, this one: Stairway to Heaven. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 10:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's cool. :) --Yellow1996
 * Trout? I prefer Jumping Sharks. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 23:35, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LOTS of keyboard issues lately. Must be silly keyboard season or something.
 * p.s. I agree that the discusions should be either "here" or "there" rather than spread between User_talk:A and User_talk:B. If I add to somebody's talk page, or an article talk for that matter, I bookmark it (or watchlist, or simply pull it back up from my history) so I don't need any talkback templates and stuff, and I don't put them on other talks if they come over to me.
 * I don't know if FLOW could do this, but if there were some auto-CAT feature that put all talks into categories like "One.Ouch.Zero vs. Yellow1996", "One.Ouch.Zero vs. StuRat" etc. that could be helpful for recollecting all those split talks. I'm quite unsure about it, because CATs are per-page features and cannot set up individual sections the bomb.
 * Maybe we should add a bit of humor to some WP:policies, like Original Research / Sourcing.
 * "Your work looks so derivative" – Newton to Leibniz
 * Add that quote to WP:OR?! I'd support that. ;) --Yellow1996
 * - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:39, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed! (see below, and the corrosponding ref desk threads!)
 * Ah well for me I just check back regularily... I (generally!) have the time. ;) But yeah that would be a great idea... though I don't know how they would implement that. AFAIK there's nothing like that in FLOW yet, though. I think there's a page where you can tell the devs what you want to see in it somewhere... I think it's just the WT:FLOW page. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 16:10, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, we have another meme, right at the Ref Desk. "What does the fox say?"
 * Oops again, I need references for that claim...
 * Fox one
 * Fox two
 * One of the more annoying memes, it seems, I ain't gonna leave home without my air horn the next weeks. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 07:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * It certainly has been a relentless one as of late... especially among regular day-to-day conversations with people!
 * I sure wish the teachers I have had had more of a sense of humour like that... would certainly brighten up those nightmarish final exams! ;)
 * And here's some ref desk weirdness. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 03:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm totally


 * You want salmon with your trout? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 10:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * (more silliness in my faves, I'm still repopulating them after the latest flickr hiccup (would that be a flickup then?))


 * Oh wow... funny I was just reading about a giant catfish!
 * And yeah I think I remember there was a page for portmanteaus somewhere? I'll look for it. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 23:59, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * here it is! ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 00:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Fantabulous. I like "geniuser" and "stupidiot". But "entertrainment" and "pestiletto" are missing. Not to mention "grey google", "yahooser" and "flicktard"(is that a 2nd level portmantau?)...
 * This topic is getting more and more derailmental. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 11:50, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * These are so much pun! ;) -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 18:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome back!
 * Avatiger Uteruganda mariguana femucktard all your CATS are belong to us dickTV addictionado Nano Mars hypotternuse tagpie phombie sharkasm spaghetto songebob depresso shamPunWhat does the Firefox say? (oh that was a memanteau) conTrolled and half a portmanteau (sort of)
 * and something that's marginally relevant to the actual topic – but doesn't always work out :( 217.255.144.228 (talk) 09:44, 13 November 2013 (UTC) (oo.ze still via wifi)


 * Thank you! Due to busyness, I've had to revert to a semi-lurker... but it won't be like when I made 3 edits in 2011! ;) Just won't be able to be on as often as I used to.
 * Oh, and have some more while we're at it! here, meowtfits..., and here! -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 20:14, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Only a microntribution this time ;) curse avoided, random shit. BTW, it should be "pornteau" not "portmanteau". Because it's defined as "running two words into each other so hard that you lose letters near the middle". Just saying.
 * Some other insights, boy/girl attraction, O stars are mean mothers and a little Doctor Who reference.
 * p.s. What do you call a blue portable toilet that's bigger inside than outside? A turdis. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 12:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah I'll probably be making more of those microntributions now that the full-sized ones. ;) here's some portmanteaus on Reddit. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 04:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Which fits well, to a community that calls its /r/gonewild/ (NSFW) area "Spreddit."
 * Nice how the "multi-level" topic comes up there, too, and only 11 contributions into the thread.
 * I had a "multi-word" portmanteau recently; somehow I said about the weather, "it's pissing racehorses" - does that count?
 * And now to something completely different: RD/S, Nov 25, "shy bladder" thread.
 * "You've tasted WHAT?" - pure pwnage, RD style. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 07:31, 27 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I guess within the confines of the term "multi-word portmanteau" (which I am not aware of ever being defined! ;) it would count.
 * Hah ha! That's a nice thread. I rarely find myself having to use urinals; and when I do, I am not really bothered by that. Guess I'm just strange, I suppose. ;)
 * Also, just to note: I have decided to go on a wikibreak due to my inability to be very active right now... and whenever I have been contributing over the past month or so, it's been rushed and that's really not the type of attitude for a constructive editor. I expect to be back around the beginning of January. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 18:15, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy holidays & new year then! - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 14:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you! :) A (belated) merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too! -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 22:01, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Long time no answer. I was busy getting rid of the Moon on RD/S for great justice – sorry.
 * Oops, I should use the WP:Memes instead. You know, elsewhere they say "Obvious troll is obvious" (or "obvious troll is trolling" if they lampshade the meme), but on the WP:RD, it is "Legal advice is illegal."
 * What.                                            - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 07:24, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Did you ever see a topic fall flat(ulent) like this one? (Before I actually clicked wikt:fizzle, I didn't even know about the stinky origin.
 * This went past the radar of even the most diehard antiaprilfirstists (is that a word?) (Revert if disruptive) - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 09:05, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

What, a talkpage with no sections??
Took me 'ages' just to get to the bottom of the page! Looks like you have been having a continuous conversation since June! Anyway about your RD/C comment re my Android tablet, no it doesn't have a stand of any type. For some reason I can't edit the computer ref. desk so I am replying here. :-\ 220  of  Borg 13:12, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, sorry about that, 220. All the other talk threads I've ever gotten were either short conversations or posts which didn't need a reply at all; although admittedly people have rarely had the need to use my talkpage since it was created in 2012. (Though the conversation above is probably worth a read if you're ever really bored and have tons of time!! ;))
 * Well that's certainly inconvenient... about both the editing problem and your tablet. I guess if you were really desparate you could use your dead laptop as a prop (open it up and then stand it up against the screen at an angle, with the bottom resting on the keys?) Actually, now that I think of it the guys at WP:RD/Misc could probably think of many different propping up methods for you, assuming that you can edit that desk... if you can't, I could always post the question for you if you want. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 17:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Fark! Had about 3 para reply ready to go and internet dropped out on preview and it disappeared. Stupid chrome/android? spell-check changed 'fark' to dark (twice now). Sigh! Will try downloading a better keyboard, and get my laptop repaired/replaced or ressurect my desktop that I have not turned on to over 2 years, though will need a Wi-Fi adaptor for it. As my modem is Wi-Fi interface only. 220  of  Borg 00:43, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Lack of sections means no table of contents, and any time the page is edited the entire page must be opened increasing chance of edit conflicts and possibly making previews and 'show changes' slower. 220  of  Borg 00:57, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Had a look at Bluetooth keyboards yesterday. A$89 for a Logitech one. Same for an I-Pad one. Both had some sort of stand. I did get a micro-HDMI to HDMI cable to connect tablet to my 80 cm flat screen TV 'but' not working. 220  of  Borg 01:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

HDMI
Hdg added "All your talk page are belong to us" Bwah, ha ha O:-) 220  of  Borg
 * Fine by me! I'm just glad that this year this page is actually getting used! ;) --Yellow1996
 * Hopefully you'll either be able to resurrect your laptop or old desktop... but as for your tablet, what exactly is happening with the micro-HDMI cable? -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 02:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * TV says "No signal". I've gone to tablet's Settings> Display> HDMI settings, but the HDMI 'tick' box was already ticked. Possibly I have to power down and restart to activate. Or the cable may be U/S (unserviceable)? I did just find out how to go from 'desktop' to 'mobile' WP mode, in leedle letters right at the bottom it says 'mobile'. Not very obvious! :-$ 220  of  Borg 07:12, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Try powering down and restarting; generally when weird things like that happen that does the trick. Or, of course, the cable could be defective... that's happened to me before. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 16:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I've tried all that. No joy. Perhaps I need a HDMI to SVGA connector adapter to try it that way. TV has 2 HDMI inputs (tried both) and SVGA/15 pin DIN connector, which I may try next. Also USB, video (composite I imagine), and YPbPr (Component video). TV manual says little, seems to infer you just plug it in and it (should) work. :-\ 220  of  Borg 04:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That could work. Unfortunately I'd imagine there could be quality loss if you're going HDMI to SVGA, though. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 16:08, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Improving MLP character list
Hey, it's been a while since I started work on that revamp I mentioned I'd be working on. However, that eventually petered out of my schedule because of reasons I know you'd understand. I'd like to take another jab at it, but I feel I must first address this problem: I need help.

I am but one editor, and creating an entire article from a neutral perspective almost entirely from scratch is quite the challenge. Ideally, I would like to get the editors that helped shape the other MLP:FiM articles into the good articles they are now to do the same for this, but I don't know how I should contact them, let alone convince them to help with this endeavor. On top of that, there are very few Good or Featured Articles for character lists I can refer to.

Fortunately, I am not without resources: I have recently obtained the official Elements of Harmony guidebook, which contains quotes and interviews from the show staff, so we can at least get some extra insight on the creation and development of certain characters. But this is but one source; I can only do so much in the name of writing articles and looking for more sources.

I understand that you are much more busy than you were the last time we spoke, but I ask you: Will you help me? I would like to contribute more as a member of the My Little Pony crew. User:Immblueversion (talk) 00:26, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the very late reply; I have indeed been much busier than I used to be. Anything that would help improve MLP articles here on Wikipedia I would be interested in helping out with. Just let me know what you'd like me to do and I can try and work at it as best I can.
 * Cheers, -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 18:20, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, for starters, I could use some sources for each character's creation and development. I could also use comments on each character from their voice actors and the staff, preferably those that would give some extra insight on their characterization. The MLP Wiki has been a fairly good help, but there are plenty other sources it doesn't have. I think I'm in a good spot with the antagonists and some recurring characters, but anything regarding the Mane Six, Spike, Celestia, and the CMC would be a huge help. And lastly, I could use some more users to get in on this. I've left a note on WP:MLP's To-Do list to get this up to Good Article status, or at least address the source and writing issues. As always, you can check my sandbox; feel free to edit anytime. User:Immblueversion (talk) 02:18, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


 * All right. If I come across anything useful, I'll add it to the sandbox. Also just a note about WP:MLP - the project page is very inactive. I would recommend contacting other editors directly rather than waiting for some to see the list. Check some of the more active MLP pages to see who's been editing. I've been out and am a little out of the loop, but Masem instantly comes to mind as a user who might be able to assist with the development; and there are many more. -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 04:28, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I spoke with Masem like you suggested, and here's what we came up with. Because a lot of the good details out there are from Twitter and DeviantArt, we've found it best to build up as much as we can from them, plus podcasts and YouTube interviews, and then "edit back" (not sure what he meant by that; possibly because such things don't make for the most suitable sources on Wikipedia). I don't think we should rule out Equestria Daily posts either, so long as they cover things that the cast and crew say. He also suggested looking up The My Little Pony 2009-2012 Collector's Inventory, which may have info on some of the generation crossovers (e.g., how Firefly became Rainbow Dash). Neither of us have that book, but if you don't either, we'll just have to find someone who does. Lastly, he thinks we can safely add a section on fandom-named background ponies—namely Derpy, Doctor Whooves, and Vinyl—who are already covered and well-sourced in the fandom article; in fact, it would be ideal to move information from that article directly into this one. But first things first: we'll have to get even more editors on board to gather as many sources as we can and take it from there. User:Immblueversion (talk) 03:06, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay - Other editors you could contact whom I've worked with include dogman15, Kamina, and Jonny Manz. I'd say HelicopterLlama too but it seems they are on a long wikibreak right now (whilst I am on a semi-wikibreak I suppose... ;) so you could try talking to some of those users too. I, sadly, do not have that book; though finding a PDF of it would be trivial, I guess that would violate copyright. Now that I am aware of the plan, I know what to be looking for. :) I too agree that EQD is a good source (there was older discussion to this effect.) So if I find anything useful in my limited time then I'll be sure to add it to the page. Good luck! -- .Yellow1996. (ЬMИED¡) 20:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, but where are you now? I saw you're a My Little Pony fan and now where have you been on Wikipedia?! -- Allen  talk  18:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Convention panel participation
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