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Thanks for putting back the links! I must have deleted them by mistake! That will teach me to edit the wiki in the wee hours of the morning! - Thanks, Hoshie 18:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

re: PHinn
Hi, you marked PHinn article with stub-tag so it would be nice to know what you think that should be fixed. References are simple one, but what else? aka "If you rated the article, please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)" --Zache 15:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It's just pretty short. Any information you could add about him would be great. And the one section is about the website, not the person himself. It should be reworded or removed. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 16:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

the good girl
If there are no reliable, third party sources on a topic, we shouldn't have an article on that topic, because we can only be as reliable as our sources. It still just looks like a pile of hype, from their own site, press releases and digg, which is an unreliable user-submitted news site and doesn't do any research or editorial control of its own. the article's looking awful shaky right now, like a promotional puff piece. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 04:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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Oink
A couple of things re: your recent edits to the Oink's Pink Palace article.


 * First, thanks for adding the link to the Wired article. It seems pretty accurate and it's great to have more reputable sources in the article.
 * Could you clarify what you mean by the sentence: "Compared to other bittorrent trackers at the time it's userbase was balanced to music fans and music professionals" in the Oink's Pink Palace article? I'm not sure what it means.
 * I took the advice on your userpage and did a bunch of copy-editing to your recent edits.
 * Could you be a little more cautious with your edits? Both of your main changes have added good info, but much of the info was already in the article in different places, and it was already copyedited.

MrVibrating 13:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, thanks for fixing my english. And then answers:


 * Could you clarify what you mean by the sentence...: I tried to say that the general profile of users of OiNK weren't really same as warez people generally. Different type of people used Oink than is using sites like The Pirate Bay or Mininova etc. In example if Pirate Bay dies nobody from music indystry will come and cry after it, but for Oink there is multiple music professionals writing that it is loss that it died.
 * Could you be a little more cautious with your edits?... I noticed that there were changes after me and my edit was on purpose. Also, i thinked that somebody would undone my edit if it sucked, but generally i think it's better for future edits that there is different sections for what the site was and for the news debate. So that was my reason for the rephasing the content.


 * --Zache 13:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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What do you mean here by "blatant deleting edit"? I wasn't trying to hide anything, so of course it was "blatant". And it was "deleting' since I removed a bunch of marketing-style language. This is an encyclopedia that requires verifiable facts, not a promotional brochure full of rhetoric. Please assume good faith. Thanks. -- Zim Zala Bim talk  21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * About that you didn't try to fix marketing style language, but just deleted it. I can agree with you with the style of the language, but not with that you just deleted all info about what kind of content site has. Only words you left to do that was "pornographic or erotic" which is for porn site pretty much same as you described Seinfield with word Sitcom and removed everything else, because there isn't direct ref in the article (although there were ref to ASS review, but it isn't really my point)--Zache 22:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Abbywinters.com 'Description of content'
Hello. Firstly, thanks for defending the article. In the Description of content section, I was going to rephrase the second pargraph to improve its grammar. What did you mean exactly by "images of details"? Bitwiseb (talk) 06:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried kind of to sum next: The site is known to have lot of single thing photos, like photos of breasts, faces, legs, cunts etc etc... and which are collected to something what She's so fine describes: the material itself is of very high technical quality, the indexing and cross-referencing of the articles is of near-obsessive minuteness. --Zache (talk) 09:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Oink: Music Professionals
The source only describes one music professional, Trent Reznor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.34.61 (talk) 18:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but its kind of common knowledge that Oink was balanced to music people. Anyway, from the article there is link to Jace Claytons and Rob sheridans writing about Oink. Outside from article there were discussion around Idolator (after one idolator writer were kicked out from Oink) about music journalists beeing users of Oink. Also some of prereleased music weren't scene releases and were from music indystry workers. I too drunk (happy new year btw) to ref those later ones because its more or less own research, but Jace Claytons, Rob Sherdidan is clear thing. --Zache (talk) 18:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:The_OiNK_Top_10.jpg
heh, I just noticed this in a bout of random clicking on wikipedia... You know, buy uploading this screenshot, you could be percieved as a user or a friend of a user on OiNK and therefore admitting to committing the crimes of pirating music. But, as an ex-member myself, who cares? Just thought I would point that out and get back to my random clicking. Demos Demon  22:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Revealing identity
With reference to Abby Winters: Fictional I agree about not revealing an identity which someone wants, for their own reasons, to keep private. But it would be fairly difficult, using these pages, to discuss it and keep it hidden! Perhaps email me via my userpage? Soixante (talk) 03:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Kind of impossible to keep it hidden. Anyway i don't know who she is nor didn't find anything intresting (or least anything what you haven't found through usenet anyway) although i suspect that AW is internet pseudonym of somebody who is nerdy and lot more gender ignorant than what we are :). --Zache (talk) 11:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Moved rest of talk to the Talk:Abbywinters.com --Zache (talk) 14:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hey. I sort of agree, but let's see how big this thing gets first. Maybe the website needs a separate article anyway. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 10:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like you got on Digitoday. Maybe the Finnish media is slowly picking up now that even Iltalehti is writing about it. Prolog (talk) 17:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * So, can you tell me how those two links were Spam by your own words not by some template? Do you actually think that they were survived when site was on the news if they were spam. Ok, the youtube link were pretty funny, but if you watch it is genuine oink song at the time when site did go down. --Zache (talk) 19:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure. My analysis was posted at WP:ANI and it was listed for blacklist inclusion.
 * Per WP:EL, the web-site --
 * # Does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article;
 * # Is mainly intended to promote a website;
 * # Is a link that requires payment or registration to view the relevant content;
 * # Is a link that is inaccessible to a substantial number of users, such as sites that only work with a specific browser;
 * # Is a link to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority. Note that the official web-site contridicts those that were listed as spam.
 * Furthermore, Youtube videos are not reliable sources. See WP:RS.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 20:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, oink.pytalhost.com is clear so no more about that. About the other two links what you removed.


 * Teh Paines blog. I was editing the article after the raid happened and the site was closed and Paines blog were added to the article because it was commonly agreed that it was credible (there were couple other credible blogs also). AFAIK. the Paine was one of the inner core admins of the oink. Second and more important reason was that teh Paine's blog didn't push any agenda, but it merely killed hoaxes and rumors. I think that this second reason is why it should be in the article.
 * the Youtube video: It doesn't matter if Oink song is reliable source or not. It is not used as source. It is commentary about the closing the Oink. I don't really care if this is in the article or not. It just is something which is nice.
 * WP:IGNORE, You know, the rules are here to make Wikipedia better. Not as the holy bible, which we should blindly follow --Zache (talk) 20:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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Edward is a blocked user, and has engaged in persistent trolling at various other articles, as well as issuing legal threats against me and others. At Talk:Ayn Rand and other places he shows up we've simply been reverting his comments because of their consistently abusive tone and because he falsely accuses me of racism in the post. Users well-acquainted with Edward's antics include User:Skomorokh, User:Kjaer, User:Atlan (the admin who blocked him), User:Idag, User:J Readings, User:Ethan a Dawe, and others. As such, and because he is a blocked user, I've removed his talk page comment again. If you still disagree, we can ask a third party for arbitration, as I do have a problem with a false accusation of racism against me remaining on the Talk Page. TallNapoleon (talk) 16:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the information. --Zache (talk) 16:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Saara revealed in her last video that "Saara" is her birth name and "Sara" is the Americanised version (source). Saara is also a common name in Finland and is the Finnish version of the name Sarah. { [ ( jjj  1238 ) ] }  02:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * From Finnish magazines: Saatuaan levytyssopimuksen Capitol Recordsille, hän joutui tosissaan miettimään, millä nimellä alkaa tehdä musiikkia. Sekä hänen käyttämänsä Smo että Smokahontas olivat jo käytössä, joten nimeksi valikoitui hänen oma etunimensä yhdellä ylimääräisellä a-kirjaimella.. rough translation: After she got record deal with Capitol records, she needed to select name to create the music. Both Smo and Smokahontas were already in use so she selected her own name with one extra a-letter. (source Me Naiset, 10.4.2015, Sara Forsberg kommentoi uutta artistinimeään tuoreella videollaan ). Both names Sara and Saara are common in Finland. Based on stats there is in Finland persons with name Sara 14626 and Saara 19744. Sara is used in  both Finnish and Swedish areas though it is more common in Swedish speaking areas of Finland. Saara however is Finnish name because it is written by double vocals which is typical for Finnish language and untypical for Swedish. Sara Forsberg is from bilingual family and from bilingual area (Pohjanmaa).Zache (talk) 07:08, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Just as a spectator: Even if Saara is her real birth name, guidelines say (IIRC) that articles should primarily use the person's best known name. In this case it's "Sara (Maria) Forsberg" (at least in Finnish sources). But, of course, her birth name can be mentioned in the article. 84.249.84.11 (talk) 08:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Moving discussion to Talk:Saara Forsberg. --Zache (talk) 07:08, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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 * I have been following the development of the case. Anyway, I know Jjanhonen via finnish Wikipedia activity, she has also been WMFI:Hallitus/Vanhat hallitukset and she is one of the persons who are doing Wikipedia events regularly in Finland. So it is not black-and-white. In this particular case, she asked for advice on how to proceed in Wikipedia context both publicly in Wikipedia ystävät FB group, but we also talked privately. My advice basically was that it would be a good idea to edit already created content in the shape that the community would accept it instead of writing new content. About sockpuppets, I noticed when it was in SPI, but I don't know what happened. I think that the closing analysis was correct from the Wikipedias point of view. In Jjanhonen's point of view, I think that she thinks that it was an error by her but she doesn't know how to fix the situation. In the context of how I have selected the articles which I have edited. In some articles, I have also discussed how they should be edited (in example Orthex,, ) However I have also been just followed the edits via Special:RecentChangesLinked and picked recently edited articles to edit from there. Generally, I don't think that problem tags should not be in the articles as forever and the method to get rid of them is to edit articles better. --Zache (talk) 14:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks very much for your e-mail. You were exactly right about what was going through my head when I asked the user about the Israeli article. I hadn't realized it when I blocked, but did more probing afterward. The list at Meta is fascinating. Although all of the users are registered at en.wiki, very few have any edits. I may reopen the SPI here, although, from a technical perspective, it looks very messy. I'm still waiting to see if the user here responds to my two questions, and I might as well wait to see what the stewards do as well.

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