User talk:Zleitzen

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Barnstar of Don Quixote
I hereby award you this barnstar of Don Quixote for having the initiative to overrule Jimbo over at Che Guevara. You will undoubtedly be blocked, harassed, and subjected to all other manner of wiki nastiness for this action. (Not that you necessarily care, being retired.) But I, for one, support your action. Cheers, Silly rabbit 13:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Che Guevara
Yeah. I'm pretty intrigued by this turn of events as well. Jimbo, what made you suddenly decide to aggressively cause a content dispute on a featured article, echoing to a tee points made by Ed Poor sometime ago? And how does this new editor, "Eddie", who has made no content edits at all on wikipedia, expect to re-write a featured article compiled largely by experts on the subject? Also, how was Eddie "alerted to the problem of this page", I can't see any diffs to suggest that he was? And I have no idea why Eddie would be alerted to this by you as he shows no connection to the article via his history of contributions - unless he was editing under a different, more familiar name? Some answers would welcome regarding this curious affair, not least out of respect to expert editors such as Polaris999 who spent many, many long hours working on the article for the benefit of the site. Perhaps Ed Poor could shed some light on this?-- Z leitzen (talk)  08:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know anything about any of that. Yesterday I decided to spend some time doing something fun: reading Wikipedia randomly and doing some minor editing. A rare pleasure. I first read all about Patty Hearst, including a ton of related articles. Then I moved on to Charles Manson, reading a bunch of articles related to him. Eventually I moved on to Che Guevara. I know enough about the subject to know that a salient fact about him is that he was a mass murderer who committed his crimes on behalf of a dictator. I was surprised to see that the article did not mention this in the introduction. So I added an NPOV tag and left a comment on the talk page. I fail to see what is "aggressive" about this.

I was not contacted by Ed Poor. I can't imagine how this article could be considered a featured article. I have no information about a new editor named Eddie, and I so have no idea if he is a good writer or not. I have no information about how Eddie stumbled across the debate and decided to help out, and no reason to think that he is a sockpuppet of Ed Poor, if that is what you are hinting.--Jimbo Wales 16:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Fellow Fidel Castro editor
Hello, Zleitzen (I'm assuming you've returned). Have you seen SilentVoice's User page? He's got us all branded as 'Fidel Castro' lovers. GoodDay 23:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello again GoodDay. Contrary to appearances, I haven't officially returned - I was just browsing a few old pages I'd worked on in passing, when out of the blue Jimbo slapped a POV sticker on one them, whilst launching into what reads like a hyperbolic, bizarre POV rant - so I've involuntarily waded in to defend to the page and the editors there from this kind of unnecessary business. Regarding SilentVoice, I don't see my name on his page. I might have stuck up for the old goat Castro a few times in my past here, but not out of any admiration, rather to make rational points and present the articles in a manner akin to what one would expect from a genuine encyclopedia. Presumably that labels one a "Castro lover" as is quite common on the English wikipedia, but with those types of people when they're sitting on North Pole, everyone a Southerner. If this were a Cuban wikipedia, we'd likely be branded an anti-Castro counter-revolutionaries by people cut from the same cloth but of a different colour.-- Z leitzen (talk)  11:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

To you with admiration
Thanks Matisse. good to see you around.-- Z leitzen (talk)  11:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditto. And nice seeing you back. Jayjg (talk) 22:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Great to see you back here!--Jersey Devil 09:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Jersey. Only a temporary return to try and prevent hours of good work by myself and others on the Guevara article going down the pan.-- Z leitzen (talk)  10:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, I see the discussion on Talk:Che Guevara. Good luck with that. :)--Jersey Devil 15:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Che
I'm afraid I haven't studied him in any depth, so I'm hard pushed to recognise an unreliable source or defend a reliable one (Cuban architecture and wildlife is lot easier to write about, José Martí Memorial is as about as close as I've got to writing about politics over here before this), and I got fed up with repeating myself to those who obviously weren't reading what I wrote and think WP:V and WP:NPOV are the same policy. I was hoping that the thrill would fade after Jimbo lost interest in defending his tag addition. I think since the consensus seems to be that the time as supreme prosecutor should be in the lead then somebody should work on fleshing out the other details to genuinely give some balance (which will undoubtedly generate complaints that the lead is too long. What fun!) Yomangani talk 23:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I was just over at User talk:Gtadoc (declining acting as mediator or writing an intro for the above subject) when I noticed your comments there. I cannot say I was impressed with either the language or the tone. Nor was I happy that you chose to continue your discussions there rather than the article talkpage (although, in light of my displeasure at seeing the content, I am not surprised). I think you could do with chilling just a little over this.
 * I am more disappointed that you have chosen to conflict with Gtadoc (and he with you) since it is likley that had the two of you chosen to work together there could be an excellent intro to a good article with references from the two camps that Guevara seems to polorise folk into. LessHeard vanU 20:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There already was an excellent introduction. It was the one that had stood for years and was agreed by massive consensus during the Featured article process. There are not two camps here. There was consensus and credibility, until a POV intervention by Jimbo Wales brought acolytes in his wake to do his bidding and disrupt the article.-- Z leitzen (talk)  10:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I am so sorry you are having to endure all of this again. There is no sense in what is happening. The predictable entry of people who know nothing of the endless history of your inevitably polite, reasoned and ethical responses repeatedly offered over more than a year's time makes this current enterprise seem quite hopeless. I can't think that even you, for whom I have endless respect, can put yourself through this again. And even if you do, the scenario will be repeated as it has been on other articles, over and over again in the future. What you have created and given to Wikipedia has been an extraordinary -- enormous amounts of work characterized by beauty and intellectual integrity. I have long admired your optimism and your willingness to keep on trying here but now it is clear your extraordinary abilities are being wasted. (I realized that when the FA incident occurred.) Please be kind to yourself and do not put yourself through this again. Sincerely, Mattisse 00:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Matisse. Indeed it's very frustrating, as the era is very complicated, way too complicated to be handled in this manner. Particularly when you have to hash out basic facts again and again to people who could probably barely point Cuba out on the map.-- Z leitzen (talk)  10:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Is mediation and then arbitration next.? It would really be interesting to see whether the arbitration committee would back his position. I think the average American might. I am going to withhold my own opinion for now. I need to read up on what the other electronic encyclopedia's have to say. Albion moonlight 09:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Apartheid arbitration
Following your previous involvement in this mess, you may be interested to see Requests for arbitration. -- ChrisO 19:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Paris Article
Hello Zleitzen - I haven't forgotten your help in targeting "citation needed" sentences in the Paris article - If you don't mind, I'd like to post it into the discussion there. Please come and help if you have the time - the article needs as many critical eyes as it can get. Cheers! THE PROMENADER  07:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Cuba
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perhaps
If you ever look at your talk page, perhaps you might find this link interesting:Collection of old Castro film footage Mattisse 15:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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Che!
Hi. Just to say that I have (perhaps naively) stepped in to try to extricate the Che Guevara article from its current horrible mess. I don't expect you to come back to the article (though of course you would be more than welcome). However, I've been trying to read up on what went so badly wrong, and can only concur very heartily with this comment of yours. All the best. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 20:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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Unreferenced BLPs
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 * I know you're inactive...but you never know what might spike your interest in returning :) Take care. SarahStierch (talk) 19:37, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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