User talk:Zzalpha

Speedy deletion nomination of Angelo Fabbrini
Hello Zzalpha,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Angelo Fabbrini for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Itsalleasy (talk) 07:45, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well if someone see a Steinway-Fabbrini on picture they would wonder what the heck it is, I did, and I will not be the last and I think that is what Wikipedia is for. If you have any other view then so be it?

Speedy deletion nomination of TioTretton
Hello Zzalpha,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged TioTretton for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

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Bensci54 (talk) 22:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Saab 401 moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Saab 401, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I believe you are complaining about the reference procedures of the article, but translation of the Swedish references looks to be necessary? In the Swedish Wiki there is not a question about it because the pictures tell the full story (in Swedish). I will redo the referencing and translate the pictures with text, to English.
 * Well I translated the section from the Swedish Wiki https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sv%C3%A4vare. This because Hovercrafts are illegal to use in Sweden and not in Great Britain so the appearance of Hovercrafts is different. In the Swedish Wiki it fits to integrate it in the Hovercraft article, as a Swedish project among projects not in use (in Sweden). While in the English a project never reaching commercial break will not be a subject in the general Hovercraft article but as a specific Swedish hover craft project 401.
 * However I wrote that section too, but the Saab 401 is known in Sweden, the link to https://digitaltmuseum.se/021026871752/svavare. The reference document from Einar Bergströms manager Gullstrand when leaving Saab tells he did it. And the English Wiki of Olof Ljungström tell he was in it too. I am the son of Einar Bergströms so I know it too. The article in Göteborgs Handels- och Sjöfartstidning explains the continuation with the FFA typ1 and 2. But all documents are in Swedish.
 * I think Wikipedia is not very clear that it is reference procedures and not the references that are missing/unsatisfactory. Please improve because it is annoying as a writer. Many will drop off from that point. Be more specific, and guiding. Instead of saying it all is not OK, tell what is missing?
 * I have inherit my fathers photo library and it has been boxed in the attic for 23 years and this summer I scanned it. I heard all the stories as a kid but what is interesting is I found hard evidence on about everything in documents with it. So I decided to write Wikipages about it and the Saab activities in the 1950s and Hovercrafts in Sweden in the 1960s. They are interesting stores to be told especially now when possibly verified. I have a river of pictures and articles to reference and include but I selected the most interesting.I own them all, as my fathers son. I want the articles be of aeronautical interest rather than personal.
 * I understand your complaints are the use of reference tags, and I never learned that before in Wiki writing. Do you want the references to be translated?
 * --Zzalpha (talk) 20:31, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

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Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

The references like the article in Swedish and domestically known circumstances. I understand that it can be difficult for an English speaking "gatekeeper" to evaluate.

I have changed publishing model of Swedish aviation history articles related to my fathers work at Saab and the defence. It to instead publish in the Swedish Wikipedia first and have articles firmly accepted and established. Then later make pure translations, from a verified basis in the Swedish pages.

The articles describe important military and civil aviation development i Sweden in the 1950s when Sweden had the third largest air force in the world. The next generation in the families of the people are getting out of contact ability and the only way to document it is to do it now. I inherited my fathers photo library and contacted the families of his working colleagues. In the 1950s they were like 7-8 people doing construction design of a military aircraft, in the 60s they were like 100 and in the 1980s 1000 people. Of the 7-8 people some became later top technical managers in the USA as well. The documentation is of general aviation historical interest both for science and for private readers.

The documentation is of general aviation historical interest both for science and for private readers.

I will come back on the Swedish aviation design topic in English Wikipedia later. The Saab 401 topic is a part of the Swedish Wikipedia of Hovercrafts https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sv%C3%A4vare

The reason for this is that Hovercrafts were illegal I Sweden between something 1960-2010 (needed concessions from the county board normally not achieved), quite the opposite of Great Britian. So hovercrafts outside the Swedish military is rare here and Saab 401 is a centre piece of the article on Hovercrafts. However I will make a special article on Saab 401 in the Swedish Wikipedia to have it later translated to English and so fulfil your demands of references.

--Zzalpha (talk) 13:43, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Einar Bergström moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Einar Bergström, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Thank you for your submission. Eagleash (talk) 20:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the article is supported by very reliable sources and should be published
 * * This article is a translation from Swedish Wikipedia, it is checked with demographic databases by Swedish Wikipedia.
 * * The Einar Bergström certificate of employment at Saab by Saab's manager Tore Gullstrand (the usual practice when leaving a job in Sweden as he did for FFA in 1962) is the basic source for almost the entire article. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Einar_Bergström_Betyg_Saab.jpg (Its content is translated into English, it is very extensive in its details).
 * The article "Göteborgs Handels- och Sjöfartstidning 1972-02-13 Svensk luftstråledriven svävare över vatten is och snövidder " English: "Göteborgs Handels- och Sjöfartstidning 1972-02-13 Swedish air-powered hovercraft over water ice and snow expansions" describes the entire civil aircraft, no doubt the editor Wikicommons refuses intellectual property rights to have a picture of the article published on Wikicommons. But it is available from the newspaper archives and I have a copy I can mail anyone.

I think you should approve Einar Bergströms article in its present improved state
I think I have found a third party reliable source conforming his position as responsible for the development of the internal channeling and air intakes of the Saab 35 Draken (what the rejected by English wiki as work reference certificate https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Einar_Bergström_Betyg_Saab.jpg describes) by the Inge Gustafsson retired Pilot, J35 Draken Memories preserved, the Road to Draken (Part 6, Laban Bergström=Einar Bergström) (You can run it in Google translate, right click on Chrome and gett it translated to English)
 * Reference in a military secret project is very hard to get because they were secrets by law.
 * But memorabilia that comes from retired pilots, after the secrets are legally lifted are a third party independent source
 * "During the first engine run, a loud buzzing sound occurred due to unfortunate pressure changes where the two air intake ducts met. By inserting a pair of curved plates into the inlet immediately before the engine, Laban Bergström solved the problem."
 * It would be no one, but performed by any but the Saab responsible expert, no other be allowed to do that? We are talking about the first units of a series of hundreds of really expensive aircraft? Goofing would mean the closure of Saab AB entire enterprise, can't be allowed.
 * And "inserting a pair of curved plates into the inlet immediately before the engine" was not performed by having them welded in by hand, but as an organized task performed on the drawing desk by the Saab expert of the topic, and mounted by the factory installation team. The expression is "pilots talk" and the operation is far more serious than it sounds.
 * I think that should comply with the demands of English Wikipedia demands of reference, proving the text of the article.

I can't find any other proofs of the "Einar Bergström was later project manager of the training aircraft Saab 105/SK60." than the rejected work by English wiki as reference certificate https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Einar_Bergström_Betyg_Saab.jpg.
 * It was the low profile project, despite it is the only Saab vessel from the 50s and 60s that still flies and will do it for at least 10 more years.
 * There are no I was a Saab 105 ace memorabilia articles, only when I was a rookie I almost goofed and crashed my Saab 105, how much they enjoyed flying it, and no one is describing the process in developing it. Yes, Bergström is my father and I heard the talks, like the inspiration of the Folland Gnat and even bought myself a Airfix plastic model of the Gnat. I am interested in aviation history inspired by my father and especially a low profile in the long run winner like the Saab 105, but the story of the persons makes the insight of the process. I written much more about my father’s colleagues because what Dillner and Behrbohm did was amazing (and was lucky getting in touch with their living relatives). I preserved aviation history interesting for many readers. I am writing the articles because I like to read such in the English Wikipedia, read a lot of articles editing these, because I like it and got the opportunity getting some documentation scanning my father’s photo archive. He is dead since 1996 but their creations aren't, and what they did is the interesting part. The work certificate is not mainly interesting as a reference but as an aviation historical document written by the boss, describing what they (rather than he) was doing, what challanges did they have in order to make it work (that is also the theme of Inge Gustafsson's article).
 * It was a low profile school aircraft, but the Saab 37 Viggen that was a national icon, created at the same time. Saab 37 Viggen with the internal channeling issues solved and the availability of Bergström and his internal aerodynamics college Olle Ljungström were available in the house. Saab 37 Viggen was most of all an external aerodynamics development from the Saab 35 Draken and performed by the colleagues Dillner and Behrbohm.


 * But since the Inge Gustafsson retired Pilot, J35 Draken Memories preserved, the Road to Draken (Part 6, Laban Bergström=Einar Bergström) confirms the previously rejected by English wiki as work reference certificate https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Einar_Bergström_Betyg_Saab.jpg describes, I think English Wiki should accept them together as confirming references, fulfilling English Wikipedia reference demands? We are talking about military secrets at the time they were developed.
 * I think you should be accepting the combination of the document and the pilots web-article as confirmative together and accept them both by that.
 * I am able to accept else that the Saab 105 part is deleted from the English Wikipedia.

The hovercraft part of the article is due to it is mostly civilian and there are new third party references the English Wikipedia article Saab 401 is acknowledged and released from draft state, accepted to be verified.
 * The Hovercraft part of Einar Bergströms article about the same thing as Saab 401, and should therefore be accepted by English Wikipedia.

Regarding the fame factor:
 * Of secret military works (rarely published) under Erik Bratt (The Swedish eq to the US Kelly Johnson (engineer)) and a number of references pointing at Einar Bergström, even though he never became a boss but a typical engineer, should qualify him. The reason is that his story is interesting for aviation history readers, together with his colleagues of the Erik Bratt dream team and their development of the frontline technology that is incorporated in all future aircraft of the same types. Even the latest US and European airfighters have its decent from Bratts dream team and the work of Alexander Lippisch.
 * The Saab 105 today 60 years active existence and will be active at least 10 more years is remarkable
 * Bergströms contribution to Hovercraft science is rare and very interesting for aviation history readers
 * There are articles like https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saab-401-hovercraft.19077/#post-198839

I think you should approve Einar Bergströms article in its present improved state
 * Please tell me how to do?
 * The Saab 401 article talks below included a publish button

AfC notification: Draft:Einar Bergström has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Einar Bergström. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 21:55, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia as source
FYI, you can't use items hosted on Wikimedia Commmons as a source. Sources in general have to come from independent reporting. See WP:NOTSOURCE.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No the reference is the archive staff of the Population registration in Sweden and the university, not the Wikicommon documents, The Wikicommon documents are containers of the reference contact information, please read the file data. The data are Public records, however so old that they can't be retrienved direct by web-interface over internet. But both archives left their contact information (I put their email address if someone do not like to phone them, and they will state that the documents is of their source and correct. The email and phone reference to the governmental archive must be a valid reference, and the Wikicommon PDFs are interesting reading for the user? Shall I express the reference differently, please help me and instruct, you are in another reference culture, I like to learn?


 * Please also read the talk on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Einar_Bergstr%C3%B6m --Zzalpha (talk) 01:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * How do I prove a person have existed (because that is the general issue of the Draft state of the article), but showing the Population registration record? Please tell? How do you prove that someone is examined from a university but the universities archive records? How do you prove that someone was employed by a company creating something (military secret today released), but from the company and their records? Please tell? (I need to know how the ENglish Wikipedia logics works.)--Zzalpha (talk) 02:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See the article talk page where I explained this already. The question is whether your father is notable or not. So far we just have you saying he is, and then trying to prove that with original documents like employment and tax records. What we need is third party reporters and writers who wrote about him in books and magazines and newspapers. For example, The Beatles or Jean Paul Sartre are very notable because many thousands of articles have been written about them. See WP:N and WP:RS.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And people on military secret work, of scientific history importance are not? (I can accept that is a limit in English Wikipedia, but in some cases fame is not who people are but what they done? You know the avionics historical things are what is interesting about them, the persons are not. It is a topic I faced before, are we talking bibliography or tech development in the articles? I think it depends on the topics. What Tore Gullstrand wrote is of flight historical interest, more than anything. Some works are published and some not.)


 * But I can't understand what was wrong with the tech magazine articles about the hover crafts? The first is definitely not yet digitalized from 1969, but I will look for the other article, on a database? (It is also a paradox that the failed project was published, but what was avionics historically exceptional in his work was a military secret at Saab, never published.) But still they are both published?


 * The reference culture is so different, I made an article where the fame factor (bunch of articles in newspapers) made the article clear in English WIkipedia, while the Swedish Wikipedia ripped it apart on "hard fact issues", like lack of stuff like employment certificates. Quite the opposite from here?


 * Oh, I try to adapt, try to learn, it isn’t easy!--Zzalpha (talk) 03:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See WP:N. Notability is only established by the existence of in-depth coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. That is how all of the English Wikipedia has been built.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And the Swedish Wikipedia is built on another interpretation of it. Nothing is wrong but different, and one needs to learn. The topic is that there is the same expression used but completely differently interpret. It means that you need to be much more specific, in what you request? I think it is very important, to get volunteers writing articles to be specific instructing them?
 * It also means, nothing wrong but a little bit inconvenient, that people that do not becomes managers (being published for that) and are experts in military secret projects, do not exist (that is the original military purpose at the time, but 65 years later and all is revealed, and of general military history interest, they still do not exist (because nothing of the secrets were published)). Well, we have to eat that, and the content of Wikipedia is different in different languages, I switch myself frequently on the same subject between different Wikipedia languages because the articles are so different (I am a frequent reader). Nothing wrong with that when the Wikipedia languages are independent. But a pedagogic thing to handle, and you need being much more specific, and do not take anything for granted being understood.
 * So what do I do with my article? The main part might end up as a void, former military secrets? The later part being published, civilian target of the project (the FFA Hovercrafts). I can reduce the Saab text to a minimum? Would that do? --Zzalpha (talk) 04:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You know a person like Werner von Braun is an international celebrity, but his fame is completely uninteresting in compare with what he did. As a reader what he did (and its references) is the topics really interesting to read in a platform like Wikipedia. But what he did almost everything is non-existing because it was military work, first for the Nazis and then to build the nuclear Ballistic missile rockets for the US armed forces (all systems he made are retired today, and released?). Yes, it is remarkable that every rocket in the official NASA program before him blew, and none of his rockets in the NASA program failed ever. But the reason for it (what he did for the militaries) can't be read in Wikipedia, because it is not published. I think that is an inconvenient paradox?--Zzalpha (talk) 05:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if you do not like our rules, but those are the rules that the 6 million page encyclopedia has been built on. If you can find multiple in-depth magazine, book and newspaper articles on your father then we can publish the article. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, quite the opposite, I like English Wikipedia policies better, but they are different and not perfect. I don't object to the rules that the 6 million page encyclopedia has been built on, I only address the difficulties to understand them, because they are so different from some other Wikipedia language and still defined on the same regulation text of the organisation. These objections comes from English Wikipedia me translating articles word by word. The German Wikipedia helps rewriting the articles in a German Wikipedia fashion, but the English and the Swedish boops them, no comments in general (no learning, or just very unfit yelling, you should know!).
 * I'm sorry if you do not like our rules, but those are the rules that the 6 million page encyclopedia has been built on. If you can find multiple in-depth magazine, book and newspaper articles on your father then we can publish the article. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, quite the opposite, I like English Wikipedia policies better, but they are different and not perfect. I don't object to the rules that the 6 million page encyclopedia has been built on, I only address the difficulties to understand them, because they are so different from some other Wikipedia language and still defined on the same regulation text of the organisation. These objections comes from English Wikipedia me translating articles word by word. The German Wikipedia helps rewriting the articles in a German Wikipedia fashion, but the English and the Swedish boops them, no comments in general (no learning, or just very unfit yelling, you should know!).


 * The Swedish Wikipedia has a paper encyclopedia as ideal form, and I rather object to that in a internet service not using the computer technology of links, the fact there is spece (no spece is generally available in paper form) etc. Also I think the Swedish Wikipedia have not made an analyse of what users are interested to read about. I find English Wikipedia most of the time more interesting to read. The most negative as a reader is the lack of brief introduction and then in-depth text (of course not knowing what is unwritten because of the rules, I think that secret now revealed historical processes should have a space), but in Swedish Wikipedia there are no in-depth texts because there is no space for such in for instance the national encyclopedia. If you write in-depth sections they immediately remove them. I think this is a pedagogic topic, all Wikipedia’s must be much more clear and as they are independent they could write their own interpret aid pages (that can completely contradict each other’s, all OK. As long as each language Wikipedia is independent each language Wikipedia is different. --Zzalpha (talk) 15:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You know the Einar Bergström Certificate of employment at Saab by Tore Gullstrand tells that this person made all jetfighters in the world have the air intake on the side and not in the front as in North_American_F-86_Sabre because they were not able to handle the supersonic interior aerodynamics before. Check Saab 210 where it as the prototype for Saab 35 Draken the linking were booped in English Wikipedia before on the same grounds as this article. So the right connections (link) is not documented in English Wikipedia and they (the aircrafts) all are like independent statues in an art exhibition. I like art, but they were parts of living projects linking parts to each other. And the main idea of Wikipedia is linking, failing here. Who did it is not interesting because of the person, he is dead since 24 years, but we have to hang up the topic on something/someone? It is aviation history, but military and as such at the time classified not published (illegal). I think today it is worth publishing, and Wikipedia is a platform that fits for this. So were also Werner von Brauns best rockets, on its way into the mist of oblivion, I think Wikipedia has a mission here? I am not having any feelings about it, Wikipedia is not my baby, but I try to address the issue to those who are in the policy talk of it, hope you are. --Zzalpha (talk) 16:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The Saab letter and the tax documents are not WP:RS, so we do not consider them when assessing notability. When some people independent of your father take notice of his work and write books and magazine articles about him, then it will be time for an article on English Wikipedia. Until then, I wish you well. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:08, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * But what is wrong with the tech magazine articles? What I don't understand is why the links to wikicommons of the scanned articles of Ny Teknik and Teknisk tidskrift was removed? They should be the best references in your scale if I understand you right? All articles up to 1962 is today scanned by the Runeberg project (scanning old books and magazines in Sweden) because of the IPR they can’t scan the later (for the time, I try to persuade the editor to admit that officially and even pay them to do the job because the magazine has a similar project digitizing issues from the other side, starting with the newest. The articles about my father are in between late 60ies - 70ies so I scanned the physical articles from the issues I have in my father’s archive.
 * Yes I got that about the other documents, I have understood that, can the Saab regular work certificate (it is not a letter it is a proof in Sweden of a previous employment, but that is not the procedure in the US, I know) be an "external link" because the content of the letter tells what Saab did (in a secret top classified development project for the air force) rather than what my father did (who is dead since 24 years and me and my sister bather), it is aviation history (despite it is not a reference in Wikipedia), and interesting for a reader of the topic.
 * Please tell what I can do about the situation? My father was one of the dream team of Erik Bratt at Saab AB in the 50ies creating the Saab 35 Draken the first heavy anti-nuclear bomber, real supersonic delta wing jet, it flew Mach 2 straight up in its first flight. Hermann Behrbohm made the math (the equations with an army of calculation engineers doing the calculations (no computers)) and the connection to Alexander Lippisch works (also is the reason why the Dassault Mirage III is a later look-alike), Bertil Dillner made the exterior design, Einar Bergström and Olof Ljungström did the internal supersonic air flow solutions, Einar Bergström explicitly (in the work certificate according to Erik Bratts boss Tore Gullstrand) making the air intakes (was called in from the university 1951 by the professor behind them all, the godfather Sten Luthander when everybody else failed) used on all jet fighters from that time on the side (so the pilot could see the ground) by designing, calculationg and testing (in Wind tunnel). All the others became managers (existing in who is who publications) and some did other things remarkable published. My father was a scientist not a showman and he exists in the other articles only to promote the project, the tech magazine put it on the front page and a daily newspaper made a full page, because it was of general common interest of the time. It would look silly not having an article of one of Erik Bratts dream team players, linked to his page (and links of all of them from the page of Saab 35 Draken), getting the who is who picture of the dream team there? I think (as a reader) the English Wikipedia is a story teller, and I like to tell their story before is gone.
 * Can't we have a stripped article and the work certificate as an external link (aviation history intrest) and the tech magazine articles as references? --Zzalpha (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, see WP:N and WP:RS. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:11, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I m working on the fame factor for the secret Saab projects, I will come back on that.
 * And what was wrong with the the removed Tech magazine articles in Wikicommons (they do exist from a third party that is the largest by far tech publication in Sweden, scanned and not yet digitalised (good reading if nothing else)), where do they fit in the fame factor, none?? (I am trying to find out what you ask for.)

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 * I am sorry for my bad English, "ban" and "Banned" parliament, has been exchanged for excommunicate the parliament by canon law from the Catholic Church. The mistake is because the Swedish word Bannlyst means exactly "excommunicated by canon law from the Catholic Church" and nothing else. Languages a alike but not quite. Error corrected. Also updated the page Reformation in Sweden on the same ground. I also dis not understand the topic quite right initially, that is why it took some days.  --Zzalpha (talk) 07:19, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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Bkissin (talk) 16:28, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Saab 401 has been accepted
 Saab 401, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Thanks again, and happy editing! Theroadislong (talk) 23:21, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Einar Bergström. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 06:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Einar Bergström


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

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