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Trauma Center
Trauma Center is a simulation video game series developed and published by Atlus between 2005 and 2010. Beginning with Trauma Center: Under the Knife for the Nintendo DS, the series continued for four more entries; a Wii remake Second Opinion, and three original titles for DS and Wii. While now a dormant series, each entry saw positive reception and sales, with many gaming journalists praising each entry's controls for utilising hardware-specific elements.


 * Contributor(s): ProtoDrake

I'm nominating this GT because I ended up doing a GA clean sweep of the series. I believe all of them cover each game in as much detail as is suitable for their quality level. While there would normally be a series article, there has been little to no commentary on the series as a whole despite its popularity during its period of release. Due to this, the series article has been redirected, and for this topic the lead article is the debut entry. The series is unlikely to see any additions in the near future, so the topic should remain stable. --ProtoDrake (talk) 10:31, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support: Although the matter of a series article can't be helped in this scenario, the articles are all clearly related and linked together by a designated template, and since all the articles within are GA-class, the topic qualifies for promotion. Cat&#39;s Tuxedo (talk) 18:15, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose until the new series article reaches GA status. Cat&#39;s Tuxedo (talk) 03:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Meets all of the criteria. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support My second opinion is that this topic is in full health. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hold Scratch that, I think there's some latent GUILT in the patient that needs to be treated. Er... I mean potential for another article. Specifically, the series article is quite viable and probably shouldn't have been redirected just to fast track a Good Topic. Hardcore Gaming 101 goes over the series as a whole as a decent chunk of their review of the original Trauma Center, besides this retrospective that was already mentioned in the article. Combined with this overview of the series in Nintendo Power, I think it's absolutely salvageable and GNG passing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I have to disagree. Again the commentary there seems too localized to specific titles over talking about the series as a whole. The main problem with the series article was it was parroting stuff from the articles. There was little to no overarching commentary, and the sources you've provided don't really solve that issue. --ProtoDrake (talk) 23:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Based on these three sources, I must agree with ProtoDrake. Hardcore Gamer's two articles are specific-game reviews, as is the Nintendo Power article. They describe the series in order to give context to the item they are reviewing. Only the USGamer (VG247) article is about the series as a whole. These three sources suggest the potential for a series article, but they would not be enough. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 08:20, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:SIGCOV states that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Being specifically about the series as a whole has nothing to do with it really. So unless you are saying these are all trivial, that shouldn't apply. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:08, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am just suggesting that all of the information in these sources are summarily covered in the respective game articles. Only one of them features reception for the franchise as a whole. We could put together a somewhat functional article to encompass the franchise, but there's not really any reason to do it with these sources. The Gameplay and Legacy sections on Under the Knife have it covered. This might change if more retrospectives on the franchise as a whole are found or written, though. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 13:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The reason would be ease of navigation and to give people a proper landing page for learning about the Trauma Center series. At MOS:VG it is stated that as long as a series page "describe[s] the series as a whole in broader terms, such as what the games have in common. This could include general gameplay, and recurring elements such as characters and locations", and there are at least 3 entries, its existence is merited. The question should be why it shouldn't exist, and there appears to be no special reason in this case to inconvenience readers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you joking? It also says "Avoid creating a series article that only repeats what sources say about the individual games, and instead base the article on what reliable sources say about the series as a whole.". Except that there aren't reliable sources that talk about the series as a whole, and you've been unable to produce them. -- Pres N  13:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * To straight-up copy-paste my reply above, because it seems like it got ignored, Hardcore Gaming 101 goes over the series as a whole as a decent chunk of their review of the original Trauma Center, besides this retrospective that was already mentioned in the article. Combined with this overview of the series in Nintendo Power. These are the sources I have produced that prove a series page is possible and passes GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Speaking bluntly, yes it's possible, but it'll also look like a giant echo chamber and that in my opinion is one of the worst kinds of Wikipedia articles. Speaking personally, and I may have to go back over some of my own contributions in light of these opinions, I dislike whole articles that just reproduce word for word, or with arbitrary variations. That's why I did the redirect. There was barely anything original, and even with those small bits you've found, they'll still be barely anything original. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * To be honest, if what you are saying is true, I am doubtful any franchise article would exist - it would be required to only have navboxes connecting them, because any blurb describing the game, film or other media would be classified as an "echo chamber" and "repetitive content". Sometimes repetition is required to describe something in another article in which it appears. I am a bit flummoxed as to how that is a bad thing as long as it's not just a straight copypaste of the entire article. Sometimes people want a quick summary, other times a long examination of the subject. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support – After quickly looking through each of the articles, I can say this looks like a lovely Good Topic. Excellent work, ProtoDrake! ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 09:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Solid topic, and I agree that a series article is not viable at this time. -- Pres N  13:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. I am convinced that a series article to serve as the main topic is not viable, at least not based on what's been presented. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 14:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - I'm gonna chime in a say that for the time being, it's best having all the series info in the article for the first game. Look at Knightmare on MSX for example. I condensed everything related to the trilogy into the legacy section, including the follow-ups, cameos, the unreleased stand-alone sequel, etc. I do feel that Trauma Center has potential to have its own series page more than Knightmare, not gonna lie, but i do agree with Drake's approach here. Roberth Martinez (talk) 17:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. It makes sense to have the first game here.  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 17:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support – per nom. Idiosincrático (talk) 06:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose – now that a series article has been created. Idiosincrático (talk) 03:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hold until a series article is made per Zxcvbnm.  Spy-cicle💥   Talk? 15:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I do not know why the series article was "merged" with the first game of the series. I was planning to work that into a good article. It is not impossible to expand on it. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 02:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose The series article is at a C-class level, it should be part of the topic and raised to Good Article status. DanganMachin (talk) 05:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as Trauma Center (video game series) exists (it should be the main article of the topic) and it’s neither a GA or an FA. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fine, Oppose, since the series article's been restored. (EDIT: And since there's a lot of...strong feelings on the subject that I have neither time nor patience to cope with). --ProtoDrake (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Closing with a consensus to not promote –  Aza24  (talk)   00:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)