Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Degrassi: The Next Generation


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 23:15, 30 April 2008.

Degrassi: The Next Generation
previous FAC (02:34, 13 December 2007)

Self-nominator. The article has undergone a Good Article Review and and Peer Review since it's first FA nomination. It is currently a Good Article. The PR closed on April 9, since then the article has undergone minor and asethetic edits. It is fairly stable, except on Fridays, when new episodes air in the United States. -- ṃ• α• Ł• ṭ• ʰ• Ə• Щ•   @  00:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support My only issue was resolved. If there are other issues later, I am sure they will be fixed. I couldn't find anything major. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment You have a no route to host external link. PeterSymonds | talk  17:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really know what that means, or how to reply, except to say that the link works.. -- ṃ• α• Ł• ṭ• ʰ• Ə• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  21:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The picture captioned "The character Emma Nelson, introduced in Degrassi Junior High," is causing heading problems and should probably be moved around, or "concept" should be expanded so that she fits in the whole section. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've moved it up to the top of the section and to the right side of the page for now. I'll trawl the internet to see if I can add anything else, but I think the paragraph covers all the information there is. How is the image placement now? -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  00:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its better (heading wise) but now she is looking the opposite way. lol. That poor girl. I attempted a small expansion relying on the information provided in one of your references. How does that look? Ottava Rima (talk) 01:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, I didn't even think about that! And your edit is wonderful, thank you. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#ccc 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  01:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Support Glad to be of help at the Peer Review. PeterSymonds | talk  06:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * current ref 4 Stohn, Stephen "Shooting Season 3" says it's from a message board.
 * That's right. The prose in the article under the Exec producers section gives more information:
 * "When production of season three began, a user on the official D:TNG website with the alias "ExecProducer" began a thread called "Shooting Season 3", revealing production details, guest actors, scheduling information and DVD release details. He referred to himself as "Stephen Stohn" in one post, although although it was not until the release of the Degrassi: Generations - The Official 411 guidebook in 2005, when Stohn confirmed the rumor." References are given in the article. I would hope that given this, an WP:IAR clause might apply here :) -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#008080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  20:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to leave this one out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For some reason, the link checker tool didn't translcude onto the page, so didn't check that. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything has been addressed, I think. Thanks so far! -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#008080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  20:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - the peer review was vast and I'm glad to see all major issues have been well dealt with. Good work... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments - Having followed this article for awhile, I can happily say it is looking very good! I did notice that few sentences appear to be unsourced, though I know at least some are sourced they just got "lost" during clean up/rewording. Here are the ones I noticed noticed that can't just be sourced to the series itself (or to the CD, etc mentioned in the previous sentence).


 * Concept: "Moore realized that the character Emma Nelson, born at the end of Degrassi Junior High's second season, would soon be entering junior high school."
 * Fixed with ref 2
 * Executive producers, script-writers and directors: "Produced by Epitome Pictures Inc, in association with CTVglobemedia, D:TNG receives funding from The Canadian Television Fund and BCE-CTV Benefits, the Shaw Rocket Fund, Mountain Cable Program and the Royal Bank of Canada, the Bell Broadcast and New Media Fund, and the Cogeco Program Development Fund." - this one has sources on three specific sponsors, but none on "Mountain Cable Program and the Royal Bank of Canada" and "the Cogeco Program Development Fun" - also, having funding there doesn't seem to match the header?
 * I can find references for some, for others the only reference would be the closing titles of the episode. I agree that this isn't the best place to put the information, but everywhere else seems even more out of place. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  22:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm...well, for those that can only be referenced with the closing titles, maybe add a cite episode? Collectonian (talk) 01:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No need. I found a page deep in the degrassi.tv cite which did the job. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  20:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Opening sequence: "At the start of season six, the theme was remixed and stripped of vocals, with music by Jakalope." - also any link for Jakalope or is it a group without an article?
 * The wikilink appears in the sentence before that one. I can't find a reference online; the only thing I can find is actually listening to the theme at the beginning of season six and seven episodes, and reading the closing credits. Any suggestions? -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  22:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If no other sources, cite one of the episodes since closing credits are considered part of the primary source and usable :) Collectonian (talk) 01:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Went with citing the first episode of season 6. Seemed like the best choice as that was the first time the new remixed version was used.
 * Main roles: "Other characters, such as Caitlyn Ryan and Joey Jeremiah simply did not appear in the series at the beginning of a new season, and no explanation was given to their disappearance." - a new season = seventh season?
 * Good catch -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  22:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Guest roles: "He also had Shannen Doherty's character Rene wear a Degrassi jacket throughout his Mallrats film and had Jason Lee's character in Chasing Amy specifically mention Degrassi Junior High as a TV show he would want to be watching rather than going out."
 * Use cite video and simply cite the films? -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  22:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That would work. Collectonian (talk) 01:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  20:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * First run broadcast: "Elsewhere, D:TNG is shown on ZigZap in Poland as Degrassi: Nowe Pokolenie; in Brazil on Multishow; in Flanders on Ketnet; and in Mexico, Peru and Chile on MTV Latin America." - only Poland airing has a source
 * I think that statement was there before I came across the article. I've looked on MTV Latin America's website and can't find anything. I also think the Brazil info might be wrong, looking at this (no Degrassi episode of any of the five Degrassi series so much as touches on Hong Kong), so I'm going to remove the entire sentence. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  22:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Post-broadcast distribution: "In Canada, CTV airs strip repeats of D:TNG on its secondary A-Channel system at 7:30 p.m. every day except Monday."
 * Fixed -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  22:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Criticism: "The producers did not make any changes to the ethnicity of the cast as a result of the university's findings."
 * Removed. Other than watching the show and counting the number of non-white characters, this can't really be verified. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  22:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, I may be wrong on this one, but shouldn't the punctuation be inside the quotes rather than outside. Such as in the Executive producers, script-writers and directors section. Shouldn't "Shooting Season 3", be "Shooting Season 3,"
 * I don't think so. The comma is punctuation as part of the sentence, not the title, which is just "Shooting Season 3" without the comma. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  22:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Collectonian (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I've addressed some, and have queried others. Now addressed everything. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  20:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support all my concerns have been addressed. Collectonian (talk) 04:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose with some grammar comments : (it's early, so let me know if I'm wrong on anything)
 * "130 episodes have aired as of April 28, 2008." - Don't start a sentence with a number
 * Fixed with "As of April 28, 2008, 130 episodes have aired."
 * "The Degrassi universe was created in 1980 by Linda Schuyler, a former school teacher, and her partner Kit Hood under their production company Playing With Time" - passive voice
 * Fixed with "Linda Schuyler, a former school teacher, and her partner Kit Hood, under their production company Playing With Time created the Degrassi universe in 1980"
 * "During the next few months, they slowly start planning what has happened to the characters of Degrassi High in order to develop a reunion themed show." - wrong verb tense
 * Fixed with "Over the following months, they slowly started planning what had happened to the characters of Degrassi High in order to develop a reunion-themed show."
 * "In May, 2000, the project was pitched with the original reunion episode plan serving as the pilot to the new series." - passive voice
 * Fixed with "The project was pitched to CTV with the original reunion episode serving as the pilot to the new series in May 2000."
 * "During the first three seasons the lyrics, which include the line "whatever it takes, I know I can make it through", were performed by a children's choir over an 80s pop tune." - passive voice
 * Fixed by rewriting the first half of the paragraph.
 * "In season four the theme was reworked by Dave Ogilvie and Anthony Valcic of Canadian industrial/pop group Jakalope," - passive voice
 * Fixed with "Dave Ogilvie and Anthony Valcic of Canadian industrial/pop group Jakalope reworked and performed the song with a heavier sound, reflecting the growing maturity of the characters in season four."
 * "Jim McGrath creates a musical score using an instrumental version of the theme music" - this sentence seems odd. I think it should say "creates the"
 * Done
 * Completely pedantic question: In "Filming locations", is there any reason to write about Stages A, C, and B in that particular order?
 * Done Fixed by rearranging alphabetically
 * "In the pilot episode, seven actors from the previous Degrassi actors fourteen actors reprised their roles for a school reunion." - self-explanatory
 * Fixed with "The pilot episode featured the return of seven Degrassi alumni."
 * "An example of this is when he named Caitlin Bree from the movie Clerks after his favorite Degrassi character, Caitlin Ryan." - start with "for example"
 * Done
 * "In 2005, Smith and Mewes guest star as themselves in the final three episodes of the fourth season" - verb tense
 * Done
 * "While the earlier Degrassi series aired in Canada on CBC, Degrassi: The Next Generation airs on CTV, and as Degrassi, nouvelle génération on VRAK.TV, the French language channel.[51]." - stray period after the citation, "and as" doesn't make sense
 * Fixed with "...and the French language channel VRAK.TV as Degrassi, nouvelle génération"
 * "and it wasn't until the ninth episode that CTV actually aired an episode before The N" - contraction
 * Done
 * "and it wasn't until the thirteenth that CTV were able to premiere new episodes" - contraction
 * Done
 * "Registered users of the Canadian and American iTunes Stores are also able to purchase" - try "can purchase" or "may purchase"
 * Done. Went with "may"
 * "By the end of season two, it had become the most popular Canadian show for the three younger age groups" - maybe "youngest" should be here?
 * Fixed. Also changed "kids" to children", "teens" to teenagers" and "adults" to "young adults"
 * "Criticism" should be renamed "Critical reception"
 * Done
 * "The latter episodes were not shown for three years, causing an uproar amongst fans who organised a petition and caught the attention of the CBC, the National Post and The London Free Press in Canada, and the New York Times in the U.S." - did the fans catch attention, or did the petition?
 * Good catch. Fixed.

This is what I have for now. Give me a shout when this has been taken care of.-Wafulz (talk) 13:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Hopefully they've been addressed correctly. -- <small style="background:#fff;border:#090 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">ṃ<big style="color:#090">• α<big style="color:#090">• Ł<big style="color:#090">• ṭ<big style="color:#090">• ʰ<big style="color:#090">• Ə<big style="color:#090">• Щ<big style="color:#090">•   @  17:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll give the article another read Thursday or Friday.-Wafulz (talk) 18:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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