Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/I Could Fall in Love/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:Ian Rose 10:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC).

I Could Fall in Love

 * Nominator(s): Jona  talk to me  16:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because...I have worked on this article for about a year and searched through countless websites and books to bring this stub article to a GA. I then asked Gareth Griffith-Jones if he can copy-edited the article, which he did back in August 2012. His copy-editing skills really helped the article but I needed more eyes and asked Noleander if he could take a second look over the article. After finishing his points he made and performing another extensive search for more reviews I believe I am done with this article and it is at its fullest. I believe it is FA worthy and so I am here to present "I Could Fall in Love" a love song by American singer Selena. Enjoy  Jona  talk to me  16:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Support Comments from Noleander
 * Grammar? - "Critics praised the song for Selena's emotive enunciation, remarked upon the similarity to songs recorded by Celine Dion, Brandy Norwood, and TLC" - grammar doesnt seem right. Missing "and" before "remarked"?
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Extra word: "... and being awarded the Among Most Played Song..." - Can "being" be removed?
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Logical sequence: Consider reversing two sentences: "Although "I Could Fall in Love" peaked at number .." and " Fearing that "I Could Fall in Love" might...". Readers might understand it better as "The song was not released as a single because ....  Thus it was not eligible for ..."
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Plural: " "I Could Fall in Love" became one of Selena's most famous and recognizable recording ..." - "recordings"
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Last name? - ". Selena and A. B. .." - Why not refer to A.B. by his last name Quintanilla?  it is odd to use a first name (or initials).
 * Because Selena's last name is Quintanilla. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Clarify: " Because Thomas was unable to add any more vocals to a new song, "I Could Fall in Love", he performed an a cappella version to assist their understanding. Selena and A. B. instantly appreciated the existing lyric ..." - Not sure what was happening there. Did Thomas have writers block? was he asking Selena and AB to help with the lyrics? They then concluded that the lyrics were satisfactory as-is?
 * When I saw the video I didn't get it either but that's what he said. I don't know what a writers block is, he wasn't asking them to add lyrics to the song, my understanding is that he didn't apply backing vocals to the song or something I'm not sure but since it is part of the songs development I added his statement. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If neither you nor I can understand what the speaker is saying, it should be removed from the article. The article should only contain information that is clear to readers. --Noleander (talk) 10:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I asked for help from the Wikiproject Music to help with our understanding. If no one can seem to understand this or help I will remove it from the article. Jona  talk to me  22:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Wording: " Although Selena had to return later when Thomas was able to provide additional vocals, Selena's husband, Chris Perez – who had overshadowed the recording sessions – stated that the recording was wrapped up in one day" - Two issues: (1) "overshadowed" is probably not the best word .. that has an ominous overtone, like Perez dominated the recordings ... is "overseen" better? "Participated"? "Witnessed"? "Monitored"? (2) why even mention the husband?  Is there a dispute whether or not the song was recorded in a single day?  if there is no dispute, better to just not mention the husband as the source.
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Footnotes at end: ""I Could Fall in Love" is a mid-tempo[22][23] pop ballad[24] and R&B[23] song with soul,[10] pop, and soft rock influences.[25]" - The footnotes in mid sentence interfere with readers ability to read. Suggest move all footnotes to the end of the sentence. Suggest use a single footnote, and put all the citations/sources into a single footnote, using the WP:CITEBUNDLE approach.
 * I don't like citebundle because it's too much work for me, also the citations are like that because each ref doesn't support each claim so I can't put them at the period if they don't claim the whole sentence. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Also CITEBUNDLE for "... a keyboard, a flamenco guitar,[23] Spanish guitar, and ..." and similar footnotes.
 * Per above. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Tense: The first paragraph of the Composition section contains a mix of present & past tense. Mostly it looks correct:  past tense for reviews; present tense for attributes of the song. But is " "I Could Fall in Love" is classified as ..." better as past tense?
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Multiple footnotes: Although not a requirement for FA status, I think it looks better to avoid multiple footnotes, especially 3 or more, at the end of a sentence, e.g. " ... critics naming them "confessional ballads"[28][34][35] ".  See WP:CITEBUNDLE.
 * Not a fan of those unless it's four or more. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Wording: "...contained a John Secada-esque demeanor ..." - contained & demeanor dont seem to go together. Maybe  "presented ... demeanor" or "contained ... style" or "had ...style"  or "had ... feel".
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Whilst vs While - Both are used in the article; pick one and use it throughout (probably While).
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Amongst vs Among - Both are used; stick with Among.
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Grammar: ""I Could Fall in Love" dominated the Top 40 radio stations, well received by critics." - Change somehow.  Maybe " ... and was well ...";  or "ICFIL was well received by critics and dominated ..."
 * The song's domination was well received by critics, the song had a mixed response not a positive one. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Why name? "A San Antonio disc jockey, Suzy Camacho told .." - prior sentences do not identify the specific source/individual, so why mention this particular DJ?
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Plural: " "I Could Fall in Love" became one of Selena's most recognizable recording." - change to "recordings".
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Wording: " Los Jovenes Del Barrio recorded a homage cover .." - Aren't all covers homage covers?  Or does "homage cover" have a specific meaning in the music business?
 * Done. Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

End Noleander comments. --Noleander (talk) 11:43, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Disambig links check out okay. Overall article layout seems fine;  article is comprehensive and thorough.  I have not done a spotcheck on sources.
 * Thanks for your comments I have done and/or replied. Best, Jona  talk to me  23:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Changing to Support based on recent improvements. Have not done a spot-check of sources.  --Noleander (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Comments Hey Jona! The chart table ref for Billboard needs to be updated since the main website relaunched and screwed everything up. I'd recommend using the singlechart template to remedy this. More comments will be on the way. ;) Erick (talk) 21:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Erick, can you provide an article as a model so I know how to add that since I never used that template before? Thanks, Jona  talk to me  22:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, try this. If you still need help, I'll be glad to assist as always. Erick (talk) 22:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Like this? Best, Jona  talk to me  22:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Pretty much, but you have the refnames the same. Let me help you out here. EDIT: Okay, I fixed the references and changed the refnames to correspond each chart as well as added accessdats. Be sure to apply refname where necessary. Erick (talk) 23:16, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks bud can't wait for your review . Best, Jona  talk to me  23:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't find anything really wrong that stands out so I'm giving out my support. Erick (talk) 04:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Support on terms of prose and overall quality of article. Great job. —  Diva    Knockouts   03:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you everyone for your support! It's very appreciated. Best, jona  talk to me  04:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Media check - mostly all OK (fair-use, CC). Sources and authors provided. Just 1 fixable problem (Done):
 * Sound sample - per WP:NFCC each separate usage needs a separate specific fair-use rationale (just copy the FUR for the album and change the rationale header and text to fit the second article's usage). Suggestion: consider using one of the various FUR-templates for a better overview.
 * Other fair-use criteria are OK.
 * File:Jennifer_Lopez_in_Time_100.jpg - OK. The permission handling of the original file is sub-optimal, but there's no reason to doubt the permission itself (no action required). GermanJoe (talk) 09:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for your review. Best, jona  talk to me  13:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Sources review: Only the first column checked thus far, but a number of issues require attention
 * Ref 4: I can find nothing in this source that supports the cited sentence: "She recorded 'Is It the Beat?', 'Where Did the Feeling Go?', and 'Only Love'." None of these songs are mentioned in the source. In any event, the source name should not be italicised.
 * Fixed to three songs. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 5: the nature of the source is not clear. 60 minutes in what?
 * That's what the template gives, I didn't write that. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Templates are not tablets of stone. It is up to you to make clear the nature of the source to the reader, for example by adding (film) or appropriate description to the title in the template. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Added documentary. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 8 is in Spanish – this should be noted. Where in the source is the cited statement covered?
 * Removed can't find it. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 12: What is the source? Who published this?
 * It's a source from the TV series Biography. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Then, as per ref 5, you need to add a fuller description, to assist readers who know nothing of WP template formats. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 17: In the absence of an online link, page references should be given. Also applies to 25, 29, 33, 34, 36, 37 and no doubt others.
 * I do not have those newspapers in hand and got them over the archives on google. So there's no saying what page number they are in. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Then you should include the online links to the archives, if that is how you accessed the information. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * SandyGeorgia told me not to include a url to subscription-only references because it doesn't benefit the reader or reviewer since the claim will not in the text provided. That's why I did not include an urls for subscription-only sources. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Refs 18 and 19: the discs in question need better identification than "EMI Latin"
 * I believe I filled every possible section in that template. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 22: Check link. All it gives me is a message: "Your search session has expired"
 * Fixed. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * (It's now 21) What did you fix? I'm getting the same error message. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed the link and replaced it for Lopez lip-sync claim. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 30 requires registration. This should be noted.
 * Done. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Further comments to follow. Brianboulton (talk) 14:59, 10 May 2013 (UTC) Here they are:
 * Second column
 * Ref 38: can you clarify the nature of the source?
 * I added what the source states. What else you want me to do? jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I wrote the wrong comment - the nature of the sources is clear. However, there needs to be a page ref or online archive link. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 45: the link goes to the wrong NYDN page
 * The archive system is messing up. I archived that page several months ago, and not sure why its acting up. The page is here but it won't let me access it. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * (Now ref 44) You need either to resolve this, or find an alternative reference. Or remove the material from the article. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 46: Spanish language source - note required.
 * It is noted, something is wrong with the template. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 47: Author? page reference?
 * None given. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Author unimportant, but regarding the page number, my earlier comments apply. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 49: If "PopMatters" is not a print source it should not be italicised.
 * Done. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 54: Page reference required.
 * Does not provide them. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * See my earlier comments on this matter. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 57: Please check the link. Each time I try it, it crashes Firefox.
 * It works fine for me. (I'm using Chrome). jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * (Now ref 56) It still crashes Firefox. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I asked for help here. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 80: Allmusic is not a print source and should not be italicised
 * Done. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 89: This is a subscription service - needs to be noted
 * Done. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Third column
 * Page references required: 94, 96, 99, 100, 105, 106 and more
 * Ref 97: Incorrect link (see 45)
 * It's not incorrect the webcite archive system seems to be down at the moment. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * (Now 96) If it's not working, you can't use it. Suggest find an alternative or remove the cited material. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 102: Source does not support the cited sentence: "In Riverside, California, program directors reported that "I Could Fall in Love" was among their top three hits being played on their radio stations".
 * Please read the statement noted above ("On the radio -- Program directors around the country name their top three hits and predictions for a fourth"). jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 107: Faulty link, please check
 * Works fine for me. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * (Now 106) For me, the source page shows for a second, then blanks. I suggest you ask other users to test the link to see if it works for them. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I asked for assistance. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 108: Nature of source not clear
 * It's a citation from an episode. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Episode from what - TV series? See my earlier comments about making the nature of sources clearer. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 113: Another Spanish source - needs noting
 * Done. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 125: Not available to users outside the US - needs noting
 * Can you link me a template that specifies this? jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * (Now 124) I don't know of a template for this; you can add your own note. The source contains a link to mtv.uk, but this does not take me to the source article. Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. jona  talk to me  14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 126: "page not found"
 * Fixed. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ref 129: What makes "BlogTo" a reliable source?
 * Removed. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Some work to be done on sources, quite a lot of it simple presentation stuff, before the article is ready for promotion. Although I have not read the whole article I picked up a few prose glitches needing attention (there could be others):
 * "'I Could Fall in Love' received generally positive response from music critics" (either "a generally positive response" or "generally positive responses")
 * Done. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "similarities with" → "similarities to"
 * Done. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "Teresa Jusino of Popmatters expressed that English-speaking music fans no longer remember Selena's name..." ("expressed the view that...")
 * Done. jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "which has received positive praised by music critics." ("praise from", not "praised by". And is there any praise that is not positive?)
 * Where is this located? jona  talk to me  18:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Brianboulton (talk) 22:35, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Please ping my talk when you're through (or if you require clarification) as I shan't be watching this page. Brianboulton (talk) 16:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There are still a few sources issues to be resolved. To summarise:
 * In a few cases you need to add a little more detail to your template entries, so that the nature of the source (film, tv episode, etc) is clear.
 * When newspapers or journal articles are cited, you should provide either a page reference or an online link to the archived text.
 * I don't know what advice Sandy gave you, but it is very common to include links to online services that require payment, and to add the template. It's then up to readers and/or researchers as to whether they wish to pay for access. Brianboulton (talk) 22:13, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I tried searching through Sandy and Nikki's archives to see where that discussion is located to no luck. I am currently working on this task and finding those urls. Best, jona  talk to me  23:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Best, jona  talk to me  00:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 21 Link not working
 * Ref 44 Link not working
 * Ref 56 Link is still crashing Firefox.
 * Works fine for me on Firefox. —  Diva    Knockouts   15:15, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, it's maybe just a local problem for me. Brianboulton (talk) 22:13, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref 96 Link not working
 * Ref 106 Link is not working properly
 * It's now 103, still not working for me. Any luck with other users?
 * This one is working as well. —  Diva    Knockouts   22:28, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Is this still an issue? jona  talk to me  00:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If it is only me that's having problems with the link, no, it's not a problem any more. Brianboulton (talk) 22:35, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * *Ref 124 needs a "US users only" note.

Brianboulton (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * At Jona: Try archiving the sites he's having using WebCite and let's see if that works. Erick (talk) 20:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Those that he mentioned were archived at WebCite but something is wrong with their system that it's not working. So I had to replaced them or removed them. Best, jona  talk to me  23:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Delegate comment -- Pls just run the disambig link in the toolbox above and Ucucha's duplink checker, and resolve as necessary. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you want me to do (unless it has been done)? Best, jona  talk to me  23:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * He's asking you to look at the toolbox, which is on the right side of the FAC instructions; there's a disambiguation link checker that shows links which may not go to the intended place. This article looks clean on that front, from a check I did. Ian also wants you to check for repeated links in the article with a script by Ucucha; I haven't run the script myself, so I can't tell you if any duplicate links need removal here. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry Jona, I missed your earlier query. Giants, tks for responding. Re. the dab check, yes it looks like a redirect message (which I'm not sure you can do anything about) rather than a dab, however pls review/rationalise the dup links as requested. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:22, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

 Oppose  - The article is not ready. There are problems with the prose (examples below), duplicate links, and referencing issues:
 * This sentence does not make sense: " Because Thomas was unable to add any more vocals to a new song, "I Could Fall in Love", he performed an a cappella version to assist their understanding."
 * The song had no vocals to assist their understanding of the recording, therefore Thomas sang several lines of the song for them.
 * I still don't understand the sentence or the explanation. Graham Colm (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It was a demo with no vocals just instrumentals, demos are supposed to have vocals so the singer can learn the song for recording sessions. jona  talk to me  01:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * So why not recast the sentence to make the meaning clear? Graham Colm (talk) 21:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * This is not a sentence, there is no finite verb. "It remaining there for the following week."
 * Fixed. jona  talk to me  22:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There's a fused participle here: "with many critics naming them "confessional ballads".
 * Fixed. jona  talk to me  22:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not fixed. Changing "naming" to "calling" does not correct the prose. Graham Colm (talk) 05:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. jona  talk to me  01:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Spanish guitar links to a disambiguation page.
 * Fixed. jona  talk to me  22:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Do we need "being" here? " Following the song's release, it rapidly developed into being a popular wedding song
 * Fixed. jona  talk to me  22:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Why are there so many citations here? ""I Could Fall in Love" is a mid-tempo[21] pop ballad[22] and R&B[21] song with soul,[9] pop, and soft rock influences.[23]"
 * Because those footnotes does not claim the entire sentence (similar to other FA songs such as Halo (Beyoncé Knowles song))
 * See WP:BUNDLING and WP:CITECLUTTER Graham Colm (talk) 18:33, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I cannot remove sources as they claim the statements in that sentence. Best, jona  talk to me  01:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not suggest that the sources be removed. Graham Colm (talk) 21:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The citation styles are inconsistent.
 * Please give an example.
 * Is the use of access dates consistent? Graham Colm (talk) 18:33, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. jona  talk to me  01:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The duplicated links are: Arizona Daily Star, San Antonio Express-News,  Billboard Hot 100,  1996 Tejano Music Awards and Top 40.
 * Done. jona  talk to me  22:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

There's more work needed; this is not an FA standard article. Graham Colm (talk) 06:04, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't like to be discouraging because the article is of a high standard, but it is not FA class. Problems remain, mainly with the prose, and another thorough copy-edit is required. I will give another two examples, but please do not assume that fixing these alone will resolve all the issues: *There are three problems here: "A Wichita Eagle writer expressed that Lopez' lip-sync of the recording was "hauntingly" and that it accumulated Selena's fans' "feelings". There is a missing possessive, an orphan adverb, and an odd word choice - accumulated.
 * Here, "American actress and singer Keke Palmer used her YouTube account to cover an acoustic version of "I Could Fall in Love". She didn't use her account to cover the song, she probably used it to publicize it.

As I have said, more work is required. Graham Colm (talk) 21:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I just asked the GOCE member who c/e the article to revisit the article to resolve your concerns. Thanks for the review, jona  talk to me  22:11, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Gareth completed his 9 months ago, and he hasn't edited for over a week, so I dare say it's OK for me to do this. Graham, I agree with your assessment and will do a complete edit. I realise this FAC has been alive for several weeks. If you need to archive it, go ahead, but if it's all right to hold, I'll probably need two days. Rgds, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 11:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've now completed it. The prose has changed substantially, and reviewers may wish to take a fresh look. I hope it's all right. --Stfg (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in responding. The prose is much improved but I am still concerned about the referencing. I cannot see what the problem is in using WP:BUNDLING to improve flow in the sentence with multiple citations. Graham Colm (talk) 06:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll do this one. Best, jona  talk to me  13:46, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I am having troubles with bundling the refs, not sure what I am doing wrong here. I fixed one other issue you spotted. Best, jona  talk to me  14:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment from Eric   Corbett
 * After all this time at FAC I wouldn't have expected to find this kind of thing right at the start of the lead: ""I Could Fall in Love" is a song recorded by American singer Selena for her fifth studio album, Dreaming of You (1995). The song was released posthumously by EMI Latin on 26 June 1995. "I could fall in love" ...". And this inconsistency isn't just in the lead: "The first verse of "I could fall in love" implores the object of the singer's desire to walk away ...". Eric   Corbett  12:11, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Stfg (talk) 13:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Delegate comment (2) -- My apologies for not looking this over last week; I note that no further comment or edits to the article have taken place sine 26 June. While there is support to promote, I'm afraid I'm not convinced that the article is ready for that, in spite of everyone's efforts. The citation bundling issue raised by Graham still appears unresolved, and there is a citation formatting error that seems to have lain unaddressed for over a week. Eric has pointed out prose issues extant after two months at FAC. From my own skim of the lead and first section: While the recent copyedit no doubt improved things, these outstanding points indicate there's still more to do and we need to call a halt on this nom; pls take the usual two-week period following an archived nomination to revisit the prose throughout and the citation concerns. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It failed to acquire any certifications, despite Selena's murder several months earlier by her friend and former employee Yolanda Saldivar. I assume what is meant by "despite" is that her murder might have been expected to generate the sort of publicity and sympathy that normally guarantees a hit but, if so, this should be make clearer.
 * She recorded it in December 1994 at the The Bennett House -- I realise "The" is part of the name of the studio but we don't say "the The Rolling Stones" or "the The Smiths" do we, so why "the The Bennett House"?

04:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
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