Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Real Madrid C.F./archive5


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 00:59, 14 July 2008.

Real Madrid C.F.

 * Nominator(s): Hadrianos1990


 * previous FAC

In my opinion, this is a perfect candidate for Featured Articles, and i'm sure you'll consider it the same.Hadrianos1990 (talk) 18:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - Some of those articles with no errors. 100% support! Good job! Hadrianos1990 (talk) 18:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Significant contributor (please see WP:FAC instructions). Were, and  consulted about this nomination in advance?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Why are there still maintenance templates on the article if this is FA quality? Also, you're supporting your own FAC and making it sound like it's not yours... Gary King ( talk ) 19:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I find that really odd too. Surely, you're not trying to fool anyone? It won't... --haha169 (talk) 03:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - First off, no viable FAC should have maintenance templates, which are a sign that an article needs substantial improvements. Here are some other issues I see.
 * Why can't the Criticism section be moved into History or eliminated altogether? I'm not a big fan of controversy sections in general, and am not sure if this is more notable than any other transfer controversies in the club's history.
 * Above that I saw this: "Under Bernd Schuster, the club won its 31 La Liga title in 2007-08 season." Not close to FA-quality prose. 31st title, in the 2007–08 season, with en dash and wikilink for the season.
 * The lead is a little short for an article of this size. At least expand the third paragraph to the size of the first two.
 * Do we need 21 fan sites in External links?
 * A few prose tips from first paragraph of History: Comma after Institución Libre de Enseñanza. Colon after "This club split into two different clubs". Space between current reference 15 and next sentence.
 * One-sentence stubby paragraph in Colours.
 * Citations needed for last paragraph of Supporters and the entirety of Budget. Giants2008 (talk) 19:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Although its not a requirement, I suggest that it be sent through WP:GAN first, and then a peer review. It would be really helpful. --haha169 (talk) 03:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * Unreferenced statements and sections - including the statement in "Supporters" saying "They are known for their right-wing politics" which definitely needs a very iron-clad source. That's just an example.
 * Clean up banners.
 * The following sources are iffy:
 * http://www.stadiumguide.com/index.htm
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Clubs_of_the_20th_Century (It's a Wikipedia article)
 * http://www.madrid-tourist-guide.com/
 * http://www.free-football.tv/
 * http://www.realmadrid.pl/index.php
 * http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_del_uniforme_del_Real_Madrid_Club_de_Fútbol#Patrocinadores (Another Wikipedia article)
 * http://stadiums.football.co.uk/Spain/el_estadio_santiago_bernabeu.html
 * http://www.footballdatabase.com/index.php
 * http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070623024114AAoJcNM (User submitted data and uses Wikipedia as a source)
 * http://www.footballsquads.co.uk/index.html
 * Some of your sources are in Spanish, but the references don't state that. Actually a lot of them are. Note I didn't even try to evaluate the Spanish language sources.
 * Some of your sources are lacking bibliographical information, with three lacking publisher which is required. Some of the other sources actually give authors, which when known need to be listed.
 * As I said above, I didn't check the reliablity of the non-English sources. I strongly suggest at least a peer review, if not GAN. Ealdgyth - Talk 11:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment
 * This is both a GAN and FAC at the same time. Should one of the two be dropped? Peanut4 (talk) 12:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This certainly is an ambitious article. Gary King ( talk ) 19:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Per FAC instructions, either the GAC or FAC needs to be dropped. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just noticed, the nominator for GAN was Saudi9999, who is the main contributor. Peanut4 (talk) 22:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment- How does Image:Real crest2.png meet WP:NFCC#8? Fasach Nua (talk) 13:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
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