Wikipedia:Featured article review/Mount St. Helens/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 1:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC).

Mount St. Helens

 * Notified: Mav, Astro-Tom-ical, User talk:Hike395, Hydrogen Iodide, dscos WP Geology, WP Mountains, WP NRHP, WP United States, WP Volcanoes, Climbing, 2021-01-03

Review section
This FA, last reviewed in 2006, has both a good bit of uncited text, and does not seem to be complete. The article does not discuss plant/animal life on the mountain, which seems relevant, and does not state if any further geological activity from the volcano is expected. Also, at least on my system, there is massive MOS:SANDWICH issues with images thrown in there haphazardly. Hog Farm Talk 04:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments from Graeme - some easy to fix things: Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:31, 13 March 2021 (UT Thanks for quick response Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC) Missing topics due to see also Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Some images have no alt= text
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)
 * inconsistent use of nbsp; between St. and Helens.
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)
 * inappropriate capitalisation in heading "Importance to Indigenous Tribes"
 * Fixed
 * External links may need to be converted to references that support extra text.
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)
 * The science external link has a DOI 10.1126/science.aad7392 and author Eric Hand
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)
 * The link for "Mount St. Helens photographs and current conditions" does not appear to go that that topic, instead redirects to Cascades Volcano Observatory.
 * Mount St. Helens is part of the range of the Cascades Volcano Observatory, but I've removed that link as it has little to do with MSH in its current form. Hog Farm Talk 06:48, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * reference 9 "Mount St. Helens at 35". has author Kathryn Hansen, but what is on that page now claims to be Aug 7, 2017 (after retrieval, so does it still confirm?)
 * Fixed -- image removed, so reference no longer used. — hike395 (talk)
 * Reference 21 has author Donal R. Mullineaux; DOI 10.3133/pp1563 and year 1996
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)
 * reference 31 "Rock Slab Growing at Mt. St. Helens Volcano". has "others" cs1 maint error
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)
 * visitor center for the Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument is not mentioned here. This bit could include the link for Silver Lake (Washington)
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)
 * Helenite should be mentioned inline and not just in a see also.
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)
 * Geology of the Pacific Northwest should be able to have a link in the main text.
 * Fixed — hike395 (talk)

As much as I like these old featured articles, this article feels more like a GA than an FA to me. I will do some fixing:
 * Images trimmed and sent to Commons gallery. MOS:SANDWICH problem fixed.
 * Alt text added for remaining images
 * nbsp; added for all uses of St. and Helens
 * we could use some of your FA magic here, if you're free to help out! — hike395 (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * please remove the done templates and properly thread your responses without templates; templates are not used at FAC and FAR as they cause template limit problems, and responses should always be threaded. Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  19:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Apologies, fixed. — hike395 (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Started section on ecology, including disturbance ecology and biological legacies. Started section on future hazards. Both of these sections can be fleshed out further (either by me or other authors). — hike395 (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Move to FARC, there has been some engagement since the nomination, but the issues are extensive and are largely unaddressed. Moving to FARC does not preclude that improvements may happen, but it's not looking promising.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  17:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

--- could you kindly list more of the extensive issues? I addressed all of the comments from Graeme, and added (some) material re ecology and future hazards, which Hog Farm thought was lacking. I can certainly do more research and add more material on ecology, but if you think there are other large problems, I'd rather spend my limited WP time addressing those. — hike395 (talk) 19:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Will do (not quite yet, busy), but as this FAR is getting lengthy, I will probably start a section on article talk. Lengthy back and forth on FAR just makes a mess for the Coords to read, when all they really need is a summary of where things stand. If you want something to work on while you wait for me,
 * huge portions of the article remain uncited, and
 * anytime you see a US government website as a source, that citation should include a date. They are frequently updated, and our articles need to reflect those updates.  There are considerable dated sources used here (and the dates of the versions used aren't even given)
 * make sure ALL information is current.
 * These three alone will keep an editor quite busy for quite a while. If these are completed, pls ping me to the article talk, where I will continue. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  19:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to delay closing of the FARC?, who has a proven track record of writing FAs about Cascade volcanoes, is interested in taking this up, but will not be available for ~1 month. — hike395 (talk) 19:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The FAR coordinators are willing to hold articles in FAR with ongoing work or discussion. I've seen some last way longer than a month before. Hog Farm Talk 19:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * It's been about a month - what are we thinking with regards to timeline here? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't have time for more work on this --- I'm leaving it to, who is quite skilled at FAs for Cascade volcanoes. Hopefully they have time now? — hike395 (talk) 11:13, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think I should be able to get to this starting this week.  ceran  thor 00:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hurray!! — hike395 (talk)

Something I noticed while taking a look at this article is that the introduction is too small for its size. Most volcano articles of this size with FA status have a lead section that is at least three or four paragraphs long. Volcanoguy 15:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I did a bit of extending on the prose, and I'm planning for it to be 4 paragraphs. Blue Jay (talk) 05:43, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * See Coropuna and Newberry Volcano as examples. Volcanoguy 16:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Some of the images are missing alt texts. Volcanoguy 18:24, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi all, hoping to revamp the ecology and future hazards sections this coming week and copyedit as I go.  ceran  thor 12:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Update on progress so far?Blue Jay (talk) 09:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC) I'm starting on replacing old sources with new sources. Blue Jay (talk) 09:45, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * - Edits in May so far have been primarily been some prose work and a bit of gnoming stuff, it looks like. Work on the largest issues seems to have stalled out a bit. Hog Farm Talk 16:46, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Update on status? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:21, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I haven't been able to contribute, so I would be ok with closing it at this time. I do intend to fix up this article eventually, but right now is tough for me personally.  ceran  thor 20:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I was extremely busy with many things, and I had to deal with some issues in my personal life. Hopefully I can get back to improving this article.Blue Jay (talk) 12:21, 20 June 2021 (UTC) I've added another paragraph to the prose, and replaced a couple more sources. I hope I could find more sources soon. Blue Jay (talk) 13:52, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to FARC a lot of work still needed and this looks like it has stalled out. Hog Farm Talk 14:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

FARC section

 * Issues raised in the review section include sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Nikkimaria (talk) 01:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delist unless more work winds up being forthcoming. This has been open since March, has largely stalled out, and there's still significant amounts of uncited text sprinkled through the article. Hog Farm Talk 21:48, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delist: since this article's move to FARC, the significant edits to the article have added images, which does not address the sourcing concerns. I'll recommend delist unless an editor steps forward to help address this concern. Z1720 (talk) 01:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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