User talk:Z1720

Happy New Year, Z1720!


Happy New Year! Z1720, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Abishe (talk) 15:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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HMS Vanguard (1909) TFA
Hi Z1720, and thank you for your contributions. The Vanguard is a fine ship indeed, but I am here to politely ask if you would consider rescheduling the TFA. I understand that I am making a very late proposed add to the TFA list, but I have been entirely reworking a very old album FA of Green Day's Dookie from the depths of 2007, and this seminal, iconic rock album turns 30 on 1 February. I'm afraid I'm too late for that deadline, but I have been rapidly translating a fully-developed French version into the English page, and 22 February was the day its lead single "Longview" debuted on MTV and began to propel the band into rock legend. I plan to have it fully functional by tomorrow evening, and I'm assuming this FA is old enough to be re-run (I don't know if it is, so you can stop me here if it isn't). I see the nominator was someone else but they have not yet offered support on the TFA proposition; if you would like me to consult Sturmvogel I would be happy to.

I completely understand if you or Sturmvogel wish to decline, as it has appeared on the front page once many moons ago and you have a canonical anniversary date set, but 30 years is a big milestone for this record, and it's not just any record. Again, your decision, but I figured the worst I could hear is no. Happy new year,  danny music editor  oops 20:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I am not a TFA coordinator, so I only propose articles for TFA's consideration. I have no objections to swapping articles, although I have not taken a close look at the Dookie article. Pinging . Z1720 (talk) 20:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As it is, it wouldn't pass; I'll need until no later than the end of the day tomorrow night (EST) to finish the touches to Dookie. It's gone unnoticed as a decaying article for a long time until I picked it up and started sporadically improving it in bursts starting just about a year ago. But 30 years is 30 years, and if you'll humor me I can do the rest in one run of a handful of hours.  danny music editor  oops 20:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * When you are done, I'd appreciate it if you could mark it as "Satisfactory" at WP:URFA/2020A. Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 20:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * is scheduling February. Wehwalt (talk) 20:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * you are cutting this damn fine. I am in the middle of a run of scheduling and am five away from Vanguard. I am not necessarily preferring either of these at the moment. So I shall stop at Vanguard and possibly sleeping on it will bring clarity. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:26, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I completely understand. I'll get cracking on Dookie to make it as presentable as possible to you tonight.  danny music editor  oops 21:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , once you have it more or less as you want it, could you nominate it at Today's featured article/requests immediately below HMS Vanguard to give the community at least some chance to comment. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , it's about a quarter to one in the morning in eastern America, and after taking a break for a few hours from my last message, I've spent roughly the last four and a half translating French. I'm going to sleep for a little bit, but I should have this done imminently - I still have to polish the live performances and write about this album's legacy (of course it has one, it's a diamond record), but I do not work tomorrow and I could not be happier spending my free time completing this. Any further updates I will send to your talk page.  danny music editor  oops 05:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Vargibu (16:00, 6 January 2024)
Hi mentor, what is "Tags: possible BLP issue or vandalism"? Is it good or bad? Why my edits are being tagged so? Can you look into it? --Vargibu (talk) 16:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! WP:BLP stands for biography of living person: an article about a person who is alive falls into this category. BLPs have extra scrutiny, which means that when editors add information about them it is important to always cite the information to reliable sources. If edits are being tagged so, I would post a message on the talk page of the article that asks the person who tagged the article for more information. Don't forget to ping them using a Template:Reply to so that the person is notified of your question. Let me know if you have any other questions. Z1720 (talk) 16:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Shrimaa Singh (18:40, 6 January 2024)
Hi, what is the impact of Wikipedia on web, as we have numbers of websites similar to Wikipedia. --Shrimaa Singh (talk) 18:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your question. I do not know the answer to that question, but the article Wikipedia might have some of the information you are looking for. Z1720 (talk) 18:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Suprisedr (18:19, 9 January 2024)
Hello how long does it take for one to have permissions to write their own wikipedia articles? --Suprisedr (talk) 18:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Your account needs to be at least 4 days old and have made 10 edits. This is called "autoconfirmed", which you can read about at WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Z1720 (talk) 18:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Yonkers Peer review 2
Hi, I responded to you on the peer review again. The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

2024


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

2024

-- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I see another 300 coming up: St John Passion, first performed on Good Friday 1724. It was 7 April then, and is 29 March this year. I think it belongs there, for its meaning. Right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like I misunderstood the "no answer" to this question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Velosaint (16:02, 17 January 2024)
Hello, I'm obviously brand new to participating in articles. I would like to start contributing articles based on my interests and experiences. Going through the help and guides I'm going to setup a sandbox and I was wondering if I can share an article I've created in my sandbox with another editor to get advice. The only option i see says publish but I don't really want my sandbox public. Thanks --Velosaint (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for signing up for Wikipedia! Yes, you can share and article you are working on in your sandbox and ask for feedback from other editors. However, please note that all edits in your sandbox are still public. The wikilink to your sandbox will look something like User:Z1720/sandbox12 (this links to my sandbox article about the Brown-Dorian administration). Let me know if you have other questions. Z1720 (talk) 18:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Ratndip 2004 (10:25, 22 January 2024)
How u create a backlink --Ratndip 2004 (talk) 10:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi What do you mean by "backlink"? Are you talking about a wikilink? This is created by surrounding the term with two square brackets. So for example, if I want to link to the Wikipedia page for lion, I would type in lion, which creates the lion link. Let me know if you have other questions. Z1720 (talk) 14:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

numbers moving to queue
Hey, Z! Didn't want to start a tangent...Re this edit, where did you go to see the numbers of admins who had moved to queue each month? Valereee (talk) 15:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for starting this discussion, hopefully we can build momentum to some kind of change. I counted the number of admin who updated Template:Did you know/Queue/NextPrep. Z1720 (talk) 15:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I think I do remember that!
 * Just FWIW, I hope I'm not coming off as simply a crank. I became an admin to work at DYK. I used to move preps to queue often. There were months I was doing one per day when needed. Then one day I burned out to the point I completely stopped editing, realized one day that I hadn't edited in literally months, and I'd been a daily editor for years. I decided to figure out why, so I handed in the mop and found I was interested in editing again. Went back to building preps when I felt like it. Then one day DYK got desperate, and I said I'd try to build a prep in the next day or so. Didn't edit at all for days. That was when I realized it wasn't adminning that was burning me out, it was DYK and the feeling of duty to the other workers there -- which is not them or anything they said or implied, it's me, it's my own problem I feel that way -- and that's when I hit on doing a move for each nom I made and picked up the mop again. I feel okay because I'm still doing more work than I'm causing, and I more or less can remain mostly ungrumpy. Usually. :D Valereee (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't consider you a crank at all! My frustration is from the immense work I did in December promoting queues, and how other admin are not coming in to help. Taking a look through the edit history of the NextPrep template, you can see the names of admin who used to be active but haven't promoted a queue in over a month: leeky, Premeditated Chaos, Cwmhiraeth, Cas Liber, BorgQueen. And I think less than 20 admin have promoted queues in the past year, out of over 400 sets. DYK is burning through admin, and is not sustainable. I don't know what the solution is, but something needs to change, and more admin need to help out. I don't know how to make that happen though. Z1720 (talk) 16:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That's exactly how I was feeling, and I sincerely hope you'll find a way to prevent yourself from becoming completely burned out to the point you walk away like I did. I was feeling actual resentment, and I didn't like feeling that way toward people I genuinely like. And I kind of realized it was my problem. None of those people were telling me I had to do the work. They just didn't want to do it themselves and hoped someone else would do it. Although I do have to say that every time I see a vote by the majority to increase the workload for the minority, I feel completely justified in doing only more work than I cause. If DYK implodes because no one's willing to do the work...well, my philosophy is that in volunteer work, if no one is willing to do a task, maybe it's not worth doing. I hope it never happens because I do value DYK as a way to get eyes on new creations, and the process always seems to improve the articles. But oh, well. I'm doing more work than I cause. I don't have to carry the entire project just because 98% of people don't value it enough to do their share. Valereee (talk) 16:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think one big reason why I got addicted to editing Wikipedia was to improve articles that appeared on DYK. That's why I want to keep DYK going: so that new editors might catch the Wikipedia bug. I think I am stretching myself quite thin, with DYK, OTD, and ArbCom, so that's why I'm hoping to build a roster of admin who can help out in the first two. I'm hoping these proposals will help find admin who can help. I also need to write an article one of these days, or I'll do terrible in the Wikicup... Z1720 (talk) 17:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You know...it would be interesting to know how many moves we'd get each week if every time an admin made a nom, they made a move to queue. I'm not sure how many queues I see that don't have a nom from an admin. If we could even get admins to commit to making a move of one single prep set to queue when they make a nom, we might not have a problem. Valereee (talk) 17:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd be in favour of replacing their QPQ requirement to a "move to queue" requirement. Z1720 (talk) 17:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That would work for me. That would actually lessen my own workload from 9 to 8 reviews, so for me personally a decrease. But for the average high-frequency admin nominator, it represents an 8x increase in workload plus the increase in risk, tedium, frustration, unpleasantness associated with reviewing 8 hooks that may or may not have been carefully scrutinized by reviewers and promoters. Getting folks on board for that...well, we can try. Valereee (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * When I promote to queue, I don't check as much as I do for the average review. When I promote from prep-to-queue, I only check to ensure that one fact is in the article and verified to a reliable source (not 2+ ALTS), skim for article tone, use earwig to check for copyright, and use a tool to check the article to ensure everything is cited. Major problems should have been sorted before it gets to this stage. Perhaps if we make it an either/or (an admin can promote a set or review an article) it might encourage more promotion.
 * I just posted in Discord's Admin thread asking for help, and the feedback about DYK is interesting (and not positive). Might be a good readthrough to see why admin are staying away. Z1720 (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it would be an interesting readthrough, but I don't use discord. If these are admins who don't nominate, do we care what they think? And if they're admins who do nominate, why aren't they discussing it at WT:DYK instead of there? Sorry to be grumpy, but why is this even being discussed by admins somewhere else when literally everyone affected by it is at WT:DYK? Valereee (talk) 20:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm still processing this, and the more I think about it, the more dismayed I feel. Admins are discussing a Wikipedia project off-wiki in a way that is discouraging other admins from helping out at that project. That's really troubling. Valereee (talk) 10:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

February music
My calendar story today is about Michael Herrmann celebrating his birthday. Perhaps I can get the festival into OTD, - you said birthdays don't count ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. - I still have the Good Friday question open (see January), but take your time, just don't forget please, over all the amazing things you manage to do for OTD and DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

still in the context: I added Rossini's Petite messe solennelle on its premiere day, 14 March 1964, which is 160 years ago. I believe that the time to repeat Mikado (1885) will be next year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rogmike (22:03, 5 February 2024)
Hi Z1720, you are my mentor and I want to say hi and ask a question. Several months ago I suggested a minor edit to a page GINI coefficient. I am not sure what should happened next.

Thank you

rogmike --Rogmike (talk) 22:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks like the edit was reverted in this edit. I suspect that the editor who reverted your edit thought that you were adding a source to an article that you authored yourself. Wikipedia considers it a conflict of interest when editors add sources that they authored themselves. If you want to add this information to the article, I suggest finding another source that verifies the information you tried to add that was authored by someone else. Z1720 (talk) 22:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Z1720. Thank you for this insight.  I am not sure how to proceed.  I found the statement on the page to be incorrect and wrote the proof that I put on SSRN.  Proof itself is rather trivial, but I do not know  if anybody looked at this relationship before, so I do not have any other source to support  my claim.  I do not think I am unique, so probably you can guide me on how to incorporate proposed change to the page.  Will it help if I just remove the link to the article I put on SSRN? Rogmike (talk) 22:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Anyone with a conflict of interest can propose an edit to an article by using the Edit Request Wizard. Once the request is made, another editor will determine if the edit should be added into the article. Z1720 (talk) 00:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding: Did you know nomination of 'Ingush towers' article
Hi Z1720, I am unable to reply to you here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Ingush_towers, however I have already replied on WT:DYK earlier. See diff Muqale 16:53, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

OTD
Hi. I saw your comment on errors that we have a backlog and I'm willing to help. It looks like the default is that the previous years entries roll over. This is confusing as you cannot tell what has changed from year to year without going through the history!I think we should try for different stuff every year, of we can. Do you have any tips or tricks for this area? Secretlondon (talk) 13:59, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out in this area. When I swap the hooks, I try to use different hooks every year. The OTD helper here shows which hooks have appeared on the Main Page and when. You can also find new hooks using a Wikidata query; the links are at the bottom of the WP:OTD page. Ensure that a hook placed in the OTD set is eligible for the main page: the date that the event happened or the person was born/died needs to be cited in the article, there are no orange banners anywhere in the article, and there are few (or ideally zero) uncited passages, and the article has not been featured on the Main Page in the past year.


 * Feel free to swap a set and send me a message, and I will check the articles you placed there. When you finish swapping a set, please indicate that you have done so at WT:OTD. Thanks again for offering to help! Z1720 (talk) 16:28, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

WP:Today's featured article/April 26, 2024
You nommed this one at TFAR. Any objection to switching the image from one co-star to the other? April TFAs are a bit heavy on white-male images. - Dank (push to talk) 23:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No objection. Z1720 (talk) 01:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

GA nomination
Hi I am thinking about nominating 'Pornography' for Good article review if you be willing to take it up for review anytime soon. Rim sim (talk) 06:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you nominate it to PR, I'll take a look. Z1720 (talk) 13:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Nominated it for PR under 'General' topics here, you may examine it now. Rim sim (talk) 17:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Peer Review - Etika
Hi, I wanted to thank you for your suggestion for a peer mentor on the Etika PR. It's been several months and I haven't received as much feedback as I'd like outside of a few suggestions, so I wanted to ask if you would like to leave any more feedback, if you have the time? If not, may you please archive the review tomorrow? Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:10, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think I will have time to review the article. Instructions on how to archive PRs is at WP:PRG, and I highly recommend using the script mentioned there, as it makes the process easier. Good luck with the article! Z1720 (talk) 22:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you so much! PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Your WikiCup submissions: 3 GAN reviews
Hi Z1720, thanks for participating in the WikiCup. You recently submitted Talk:Oakland California Temple/GA2, Talk:Abigail Larson/GA1, and Talk:Alison Frantz/GA1 for GANR points in the WikiCup, but you do not seem to have completed your reviews yet. As per WikiCup/Scoring, you may claim points when your review is finished. For GAN reviews, this means you may claim your points when the review is passed, failed, or closed. Epicgenius (talk) 00:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. In previous years I had submitted GA reviews while they were in progress: in the future, I'll submit them when the reviews are complete. Z1720 (talk) 00:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Oakland California Temple GA Resubmission
Your recommendations have been taken into account and the Oakland California Temple page has been updated. Please take another look at the page for its subsequent GA review. Thank you! yoscotty (talk) 12:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The page has been reworked according to your instructions. Please, take a look at the page let me know if I did not catch anything that needs to be fixed. Thank you again! Yoscotty (talk) 18:25, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your notes! I put more citations in the Christmas section–let me know if that is better for notability. The quote from Brigham Young has been removed from the lead section. Information about statistics for four out of five visitors to the FSC is a specific statistic for the Temple Hill FSC location. Let me know if there is anything else I should change. Thank you very much for your help! Yoscotty (talk) 19:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you again for your notes! The page has been updated according to your specifications. Please, let me know what else I can change! Yoscotty (talk) 17:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your notes. I've worked through the edits as you've highlighted them. Please, take a look and let me know if anything else needs to be adjusted. Yoscotty (talk) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Anniversaries
Thank you for the work on the selected anniversaries, again! I enjoyed Rossini's mass especially. You pointed out that we shouldn't run the same fact two years in a row, - then we should not use BWV 1 on 25 March this year, but next year for the 300 years. I think that Feast of the Annunciation is better sourced now. How would it go to the top line? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The hooks are usually swapped a few days before the date. When the hooks for March 25 are swapped, if Feast of the Annunciation is not added to the top of the template you can post a request on the selected anniversary date's talk page, and you are welcome to ping me in that message. If it is two days or one day before it is set to appear on the Main Page, you can post a message on ERRORS and an admin will take a look. Z1720 (talk) 14:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining! - I uploaded vacation pics (from back home), at least the first day, - and remember Aribert Reimann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I tentatively moved Feast of the Annunciation to the "staging area" for the 25 March selection. - Pics of third day begun.
 * Thank you for handling that. - In WP:TFAR, I moved some articles that you requested to the summary, but only dates, titles and your support, - please add reasons. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. New pics: a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Two days later in time, a different music, - Happy Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And the following day another contrast. I added that "exhilarating" music to the anniversaries, and while I would have preferred it today, I wouldn't find 10 April impossible, with Eastertide lasting for 50 days. If an image, not old Bach again please, but perhaps the contemporary Nikolaikirche. (I added this here under March because of the context, April will follow.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

TFA nominations
This is to let you know that SMS Lothringen, 2019 FA Cup final, Mary Anning, Raymond Brownell and Take Ichi convoy have been scheduled as today's featured articles for May 2024. Please check that the articles needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurbs, which can be found at Today's featured article/May 2024, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/May 2024. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there by user:dying, who assists the coordinators by making suggestions on the blurbs, or by others. I also suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors from two days before each article appears on the Main Page. Thanks for the nominations. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Your work at OTD
Thanks for your sterling work at OTD. Just so you know, we had a WikiCon in Auckland over the weekend and I gave a presentation about the homepage. I made a plug for editors getting into OTD prep work. I hope that (at least) one of them will act on it and give you a helping hand. All the best.  Schwede 66  18:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Edwin Atwater
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Selected anniversaries
Hello. How come Good Friday s not currently featured on Selected anniversaries/March 29? It seems quite odd that such a big international day is not featured on there. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 06:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The article has too much uncited text. If you would like it added this year, please add the necessary citations at the end of every paragraph or remove the information if it is not notable, appropriate, or unverifiable. Z1720 (talk) 14:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Similar accounts
Hi Z1720. Could you please check whether and  are related? Similar edit history and Emirati08 is trying to restore an edit previously made by M5Ehistory on Al-Zaffa Clan. Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 03:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't do a check right now as I am about to go offline. If you suspect sock/meatpuppetry, I suggest filing a report at WP:SPI, where other admin can take a look. Z1720 (talk) 03:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, no worries. I wasn't quite certain enough to block so I thought a CheckUser made sense. Regards. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 03:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

On this day
Hello. How does one nominate an article for On This Day? Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There isn't a formal nomination process. Any editor can add an article to the "eligible" list of the date that the event happened or the person's birthdate/deathdate. For articles to be selected for that year's OTD, the date of the event has to be cited, the majority or all of the article needs to be cited (except for the usual exceptions) and there cannot be any cleanup yellow or orange banners. Z1720 (talk) 00:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, so, let's say, how would this article — Cruise of the Kings — be added to the On This Day section? On 23 August, it will mark the 70th anniversary of the cruise, so how could this be placed on On This Day? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 05:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Write a short blurb for the event and add the blurb to the "eligible" list on Selected anniversaries/August 23. Z1720 (talk) 15:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Dia Bridgehampton GA review
Thank you for your attempt to review Dia Bridgehampton at GAN. I unfortunately had some major life issue arise so had to step away from wiki for a few months. I am back now, have made your suggested edits, and have re-nominated the article for GA status. I would love for you to take another look at the article but completely understand if I missed my chance. Thanks. Found5dollar (talk) 17:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

June music
Today's story is about the TFA, by sadly missed Vami_IV. In my support in 2018, I hoped to do justice to Schloss Köthen next - which I will begin today, finally, promised. Its Bachsaal was pictured to begin the year. For more related thoughts and music, look on my talk for 1 June. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Enjoy today's story, related to my topic of the year: 300 years Bach's chorale cantatas, and the first was written for today (as you know). The music opens with a French overture for a chorale fantasy, to mark the beginning. DYK that in this first the soprano has the cantus firmus (which usual), in the second the alto, in the third the tenor, and in the fourth the bass? He had a program ;) - We'll meet for the third. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it, which would have been better on 2 June, this year's first Sunday after Trinity (as you know). The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Today is "the day" for James Joyce - OTD! Also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third? - well, you know) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I added "the third" to 24 June 1724, always 24 June, relief, - that year it came between second and third Sunday after Trinity. Please check. Refs in the article if needed. - Today is Escher's Day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Today - as you know - is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Sebastian Zouberbuhler
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Jean Pettrequin
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Rabearivelo
Thanks for adding Rabearivelo to OTD! I recently wrote L’Aube rouge, which you may find interesting. ꧁ Zanahary ꧂ 16:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

FAR
Hey there, not sure if you're not receiving pings for some reason, but there are a number of FARs awaiting a response from you. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reaching out. I've had trouble getting motivated to review articles at FAR. I have been busy in real life, and when I get some wikitime I receive responses like "To note i am white knighting, which is more than you have ever done; your the MF who nominated (of which I was not the nominator of this FAR), and "I respect that you are busy improving the encyclopedia—but my time has value, too". It seems like there is an unrealistic expectation of reviewers to rubber stamp articles. Instead, I am spending hours reviewing articles that are languishing at FAR for months because no one else is reviewing, discovering that articles are not close to the FA criteria, then getting feedback that my reviews are not appreciated. This is time that I am taking away from my own projects, both on-wiki and off, and it has become exhausting. I'll try to return to these reviews this weekend to get them moving along again, but I cannot make any guarantees. I encourage others to review the articles and contribute to getting them resolved. Z1720 (talk) 15:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you - I do appreciate your efforts, and I'm certainly not asking you to rubber-stamp articles that are not at FA level. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Just a comment as one of those quoted above, that I indicated my desire to help save FARs in the future, after Minneapolis is done. I had one save and one delist while working in between reviews, and think it's best for me to concentrate on one FAR at a time. Godspeed everybody, obviously we have a lot to do. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that you want to work on one review at a time, as you know what method works best for you. There's no expectation that anyone would or should review any articles. I would appreciate it if that same expectation was placed upon me. Z1720 (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course I don't think you need to review at FAR unless you want to. We worked together well on Redwood National and State Parks, and I for one enjoyed your input. I'd withdraw from whichever reviews pose a problem to finish, as I had to do for Borobudur. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think you have that expectation, but I think some editors who fix up articles do. Some of these editors claim that FAR articles are "ready for reviews" when they would be quick-failed if brought to FAC. This is because those editors expect reviewers to point out all the problems so that they can fix the article, wasting hours of reviewer time per FAR. The opposite needs to happen: editors need to claim an article is ready for review when it would pass an FAC, instead of expecting reviewers to point out every example of a problem in an article and getting upset when reviewers refuse to do so. If an editor claims an article is ready for a review, but it is still far from meeting the criteria, the article should be delisted. If the editor is willing to fix up the article, they should do so and nominate it to FAC, not keep it languishing at FAR.
 * I see a lot of leeway and time given to editors who want to fix up article: they are given four weeks (minimum) to volunteer to fix it up when they could have done so in the years it deteriorated. Then, since they have volunteered to fix the article, they are allowed to post nasty comments against others unchallenged and devalue reviewer time and efforts under the guise of "I'm trying to fix the article, you are trying to delist it!" On the flip side, reviewers are limited to five nominations per editor because if they nominate an article, they are expected to return at an editor's or co-ordinator's demand and post every single instance of a mistake so that the editor can fix it (instead of the editor who volunteered to fix the problem being encouraged to fix the article first.) Reviewers deal with abuse from those same editors who are threatened when someone challenges their "star" or might say their work isn't good enough to keep an article at FAC. The same happens when a review comments to "Move to FARC" or "Delist": if an editor claims to fix up an article, a reviewer will be pinged and be told that they should review the article again. If the reviewer dares to suggest it still be delisted, they have to post every instance of a problem so that it can be fixed, instead of telling the editor that they need to review the article themselves first before wasting more reviewer time. If the editor can't determine the problems to keep the article at FA status, then they are the wrong person to be trying to save the article under the limited FAR timeframe. We need someone with authority to tell editors that they have run out of time and they can fix up the article for however long they want, then nominate it to FAC.
 * At FAC, editors review so that their own nominations will get reviewed, or to get interesting topics to TFA. At FAR, editors review out of the goodness of their hearts, or so they can open up another of their five slots to get another sub-par FA nominated. At FAR, the reward for reviewing is abuse, stress, time away from the articles they actually care about, and pings. All of our wiki time is precious, I just wish others appreciated the time reviewers put into articles before many of the regular FAR reviewers burned out and left this process. When I have time I'll probably come back to review FARs, but it will be when I want to come back and after I work on my own projects. I don't know when my frustration and burnout will be permanent, but I fear that has already happened to some previous FAR reviewers. Z1720 (talk) 19:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Understood. To a certain extent there will always be tension between FAR as an improvement process versus a weeding-out of unfit FAs, but I absolutely agree that reviewers should not be subject to nasty comments - please feel free to ping me (or ) to the review if you see that again so we can address it. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 July newsletter
The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:


 * with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 featured article on DeLancey W. Gill, 11 good articles, 18 did you know nominations, and dozens of reviews;
 * with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on Worlds (Porter Robinson album) and I'm God, 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations;
 * with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on KNXV-TV, 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and
 * with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Great cuckoo-dove, with a high number of bonus points from that article.

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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Narwhal at FAC
Hi Z1720, if you are free, I'd appreciate a review of the narwhal FAC. It's been lingering for a few days, so I thought I might as well write a neutrally-phrased message on editor's talk pages. I see you're a member of WikiProject Canada, and the narwhal article is categorised as high-importance within the project's scope, so I thought you might be interested. Thanks for your time, Wolverine XI   ( talk to me ) 16:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you are looking for reviewers, I suggest that you review other FACs. Reviewing articles gives other reviewers the confidence that you understand the FA criteria. If someone cannot identify concerns in other's nominations, I do not feel confident that they can identify concerns in the articles they can nominated. Z1720 (talk) 14:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * By the time I posted that message, I had reviewed three articles, and one nominator agreed to review my nomination (the in-question nominator will be inactive for the following few days). I was concerned that this would not suffice, so I left a message on a few user talk pages. It's been a week and there's been no review, so I was a bit concerned about inactivity. But I did manage to get another reviewer today, so that's a positive. You can still review the article if you want. Take care,  Wolverine XI   ( talk to me ) 15:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Peer review at Ebelu
Hello, thank you very much for the review, I apologise that it slipped through the cracks.

I have a few follow-up questions, if you are willing to help:


 * are point 1,2 and 4 good in your opinion, or did I miss something?
 * The lede should still be expanded. The sentence in point 2 is cited. Some of the sentences could still be expanded. Z1720 (talk) 17:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think most relevant things are in the lead now, and merged most of the more obvious sentences. Or should some more history be in the lead? FortunateSons (talk) 10:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * What are you looking for regarding architectural commentary? There are things such as this, would that be useful?
 * I am looking for any reliable sources that have given their opinion on the architecture. Z1720 (talk) 17:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m not sure that those exist or I just can’t find them, here is what I found (mostly auto translated, would manually translated if I were to quote it in the article):
 * The "memorial plaque" was created and installed in 1961 based on a design by Walter Brudi (1907-1987), director of the State Academy of Fine Arts in Stuttgart from 1959 to 1969 (Fig. 4). The massive, heavy iron plates, which extend as if broken out over a white outer wall at the exit to the open-air stage, have a monumental, almost oppressive effect on the viewer. Of the 570 victims, eleven died in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870/71, 123 in the First World War and almost 400 in the Second World War. The rest died due to resistance and persecution. "Mortui monent" (The dead warn) is the inscription and warns the living to prevent war and maintain peace.
 * After the previous building in the city center was destroyed in the Second World War, a prominent architectural competition was held for the new building and an international jury was assembled. The previously little-known Stuttgart architectural firm Bregler won the competition with its design for a structured group of school buildings. Stuttgart's oldest high school has a humanistic profile and is now also a music high school. The property, in a prime location on the park grounds of the former Villa Zeppelin, corresponded to the much-discussed Swiss model of the "school in the countryside". Lying and towering buildings are arranged on the steeply rising terrain in such a way that they are perceived as individual houses. The differentiated facades also make orientation easier. House and garden, inside and outside are related to each other down to the last detail. The architecture implements the school building discourse of the 1950s in a textbook manner. Structure instead of large-scale form, light and green for the traffic areas and classrooms, break areas as places of retreat with a quality of stay reflect the reform themes of the time. Avoiding the pathos and representational formulas of the previous building, the architects designed the reception motif with particular attention: a wide landscape staircase leads from the street into the spacious foyer, where the curved main staircase takes up the upward movement.
 * Thank you :) FortunateSons (talk) 11:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Regarding the last point, that’s a very good suggestion, but I’m not exactly sure which of the things have RS coverage or should be extended.
 * You will have to take a look at sources to see what they say. Let the sources guide you on what should be in the article. Z1720 (talk) 17:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sincerely, FortunateSons (talk) 13:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I responded under each of the bullet points. Z1720 (talk) 17:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have responded under two bullet points and will look into it further, and really appreciate the help :) FortunateSons (talk) 11:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Promotion of John Rolph
Congratulations! - Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, Martti Wallén, a bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. The violinist made it to the Main page but another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. - My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers chamber music from two amazing concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

TFA
I've probably got enough reruns for September. Thanks. One or two non-specific date wouldn't hurt, because I can pass them along to October if I don't use them. Thanks. for your help. Wehwalt (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Personal motivation
I'm commenting on your talk page (with a ping to ) regarding your comment as this doesn't directly concern the outcome of the amendment request. I understand the sentiment that editors with valuable skills ought to focus on ways to enable them to be used. But I also appreciate that editors can feel demotivated by a very publicly-seen pronouncement about them which they feel is inaccurate. I totally get feeling frustrated; I'm only suggesting that expressions of this be tempered by an understanding that the circumstances can very understandably cause an editor to feel unmotivated to pursue the course you feel is best.

On a separate note, your comment changed the style of a first-level list item from * to :, which causes screen readers to make extra list end/start announcements. See for an example of adding a paragraph to a bulleted list item (the example shows this for a second-level list item, but the same approach is followed for a first-level list item). isaacl (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

sFN and other stuff
Hi there. Does moving citations at references section and sfn required at FaC? I am planning to send Ada Wong soon (peer review is active; feel free to leave a feedback if you have free time :D). Many thanks 🍕  Boneless Pizza! 🍕 (🔔) 05:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, sfn is not necessary at FAC. Instead, the inline citations and references have to follow a consistent style and the references should have sufficient information about the source (author name, title, publisher, date, access dates for websites, etc.) Z1720 (talk) 15:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 219, July 2024
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 12:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Croton alabamensis
Regarding Template:Did you know nominations/Croton alabamensis, I received no notifications that a review of the nomination had been carried out. It is not fair to assume an editor is "not coming back" if they have not been properly notified. TDogg310 (talk) 03:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 63
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