Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 21:28, 23 June 2009.

BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award

 * Nominator(s): Rambo's Revenge (talk)  22:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

It's been a while but this is the last list in the SPoTY awards topic I have been working on. I had some early discussion with Scorpion about how to format it, and hopefully it is now okay. If there are still problems I guess the images could go. Also note that Checklinks for me is indicating that a Times article is dead even though it isn't. Thanks in advance for any comments. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  22:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

 Oppose  – Found quite a bit to do throughout the list, so I'm opposing for now. Of course, I'll reconsider once these are done.
 * Some inconsistencies when it comes to numbers. I see 30 and two uses of ten. Is the latter your limit for spelling out numbers?
 * Yes, per the MoS. numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals, or may be rendered in words if they are expressed in one or two words hence ten as words, 30 as numerals. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  01:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a big deal, although I thought thirty was only one word... :-)  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 21:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Spelled out thirty now. Rambo's Revenge (talk)</b>  10:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "in the result of a tie at the end of the nomination process". "in the event of" is a more common phrase. I haven't seen "in the result of" before. Not saying that it's wrong, but it does strike me as unusual.
 * Done
 * Italics needed for Radio Times.
 * Done
 * "Since then, numerous other awards have been introduced to the ceremony which now consists of eight awards." Comma before "which".
 * Done
 * "The oldest recepient of the award Dai Rees who won in 1957 aged 44." Missing "is" before name and comma after.
 * Done
 * Another comma after Ian Black.
 * Done
 * Table: Is the Union in Rugby Union a proper noun? If not, decapitalize it.
 * Done
 * Captions need a few more commas after before "who"s.
 * Question. I might be being thick but I've never heard of this. I thought the comma came after the name and before who, like they currently are. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  01:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think he meant after "who" too. Take a look at the lead caption. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actualy, I think he put an incorrect suggestion above. :-)  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 22:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Done
 * Note 1: "Before her marriage 14 November 1973". Is "on" missing?
 * Done
 * Note 3: "However the BBC deemed this to be against the rule...". Either change to "rules" or say what rule was violated.
 * Done
 * Reference titles shouldn't be in all caps, even if the sites present them that way.
 * Done

 Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 23:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What makes http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/spoty.htm (ref 3) a reliable source?
 * I would consider it a WP:SPS by Laurence Marcus, who has become somewhat an expert in the field. Him and his site has gained coverage in reliable third-party publications like The Times and the BBC. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  01:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Reference 47 should have publisher (Hello!) in italics.
 * Done
 * Thanks very much for the comments. They have either been addressed or commented on. Best wishes, <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  01:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support – Maintaining some caution because of the one source I'm hesitant about, but everything else is good.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 21:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments Well constructed list
 * In November, a panel of 30 sports journalists each submitted a list of ten contenders. - A very confusing sentence. Does this happen every year or just last year? 30 sports journalists of BBC or other companies involved, as well?
 * Rather luckily for me the beeb have just updated their page for the 2009 ceremony. So these were the rules last year, and they are the same this year. As a result I've changed to the present tense "submit". The journalists are "from a selection of newspaper sports editors (national and regional) and magazines." I could add that in but I think it is unnecessary. Does it still need clarifying that they are general sports journalists? <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  10:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 *  a panel of six former award winners determines the nominee - How about 1958? There were no "former winers", what would happen if there were a tie?
 * Done, added "currently, ..."
 * There are only two red links here: Marion Coakes and Paddy McMahon. It's not a requirement, but since there are only two, it shouldn't be a problem to get rid of them.
 * Okay, I'll work on that in a bit. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  10:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, although Marion Coakes is an example of why I don't usually make stubs for redlinks as I spend hours googling some vague person and try to add everything in existence about them. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  14:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

--<font style="background:orange;">Crzycheetah 01:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Support As for the flags, I think both should stay: flags and linked abbr. In a sortable table, abbreviations without links are useless.
 * I'm staying out the flag thing now. As my sandbox shows, I'm willing to make changes if deemed necessary. I just await an outcome from discussion between reviewers. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  10:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Hassocks5489 – I am close to supporting. <font face="Helvetica"><font color="#00BFFF">Hassocks <font color="#228B22">5489 (tickets please!) 20:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Table format looks appropriate and logical, and is consistent with similar lists.
 * I don't have a strong preference about the flags issue, but I'm inclined to agree with Crzycheetah's comment (so I approve of how it is at the moment).
 * In the lead, "Torvill and Dean are the only non-individual winners of the award, having won in 1986" might be better as "Torvill and Dean, who won in 1986, are the only non-individual winners of the award".
 * Done
 * In current ref [18], "Gareth A Davies" has no full stop after the A; in ref [29], he has one.
 * Done, good spot.
 * After "Three people have won the award multiple times", I would prefer a colon to a semicolon, otherwise it gives the impression that the following clause is not related to it.
 * Done
 * The main thing I wanted to ask: is there a reason behind the choice of the word "athlete" rather than "athletics" to pipe-link to the sports of the various athletes? "Athletics" is used in the "By sport" table, and by other lists in this series.  Sorry if this has been discussed before; it's the first time I've reviewed one of these lists :)
 * It hasn't been discussed before and you are quite right, it was just a mistake I made. Thanks for spotting it, it has now been corrected. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  22:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for taking a look. You comments are much appreciated and have hopefully now been resolved. Best wishes, <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  22:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Support – everything resolved. The AWB replacements of "Athlete" with "Athletics" broke one external link, which I repaired. <font face="Helvetica"><font color="#00BFFF">Hassocks <font color="#228B22">5489 (tickets please!) 08:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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