Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Germany international footballers


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 22:30, 2 December 2008.

List of Germany international footballers
Self-nom. I believe this list fits the FL criteria, as it:


 * 1) Is Well-written
 * 2) Is well-defined by its lead
 * 3) Is as comprehensive as would be practical, with clear inclusion criteria
 * 4) Is navigable and sortable
 * 5) Is consistent with the Wikipedia MoS
 * 6) Uses colours, formatting and images to convey and illustrate information
 * 7) Is largely consistent and uncontroversial, with only occasional updates required.

I believe it is of comparable quality to equivalent FLs, such as List of Sweden international footballers. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 13:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? Canniba  loki  05:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Per everyone else's resolved comments, I support this list for promotion. I applaud the FL community for working together on this list that needed a lot of edits and a lot of eyes, and also editor ArtVandelay13 for his continuous work for the last two weeks. KV5 •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  12:59, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose &mdash; Sorry, but this needs substantial work. The lead needs to be expanded, inline citations are needed, and there are MOS breaches, just to name a few things. I suggest withdrawing this to work on it in your own time. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 *  Oppose : The article needs a lot of work done! As per above, the lead needs to be expanded and inline citations added. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 19:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK: I think I've addressed much of your comments: the lead is more descriptive, with citations, The key is more comprehensive, and the WP:ACCESS issues have been addressed. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 10:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support It looks much better now— Chris!  c t 23:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - my review was resolved to meet WP:WIAFL. Sorry for the late revisit.--SRX 01:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Gary King ( talk ) 20:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose from
 * "Matthäus was the inaugural winner of the FIFA World Player of the Year award in 1991,[5] and is one of five Germany players to have been awarded European Footballer of the Year – Franz Beckenbauer and Karl-Heinz Rummenigge on two occasions." – Shouldn't it be "one of three Germany players" if the other two won twice each? Also, it's worded strangely anyways at the end; the "person and person on two occasions" doesn't fit in well with the rest of the sentence
 * No, it's five players, two have which have won twice (seven wins). I've changed the last sentence to "twice each"
 * "ninth most" – "ninth-most"
 * done
 * "while Gerd" – "and Gerd"
 * done
 * "eighth most" – "eighth-most"
 * done
 * "many changes during" – linking "changes" to History of Germany? That's quite an assumption to think that readers will know where the word "changes" links to (readers should already have an idea of where links lead to, otherwise the links are poorly placed). Either remove the link or link a larger phrase, like "underwent many changes during the 20th century"—I assume that this is related to WWI and WWII, so probably would be more logical to even link to a specific section in the article concerning these events.
 * done - linked to a more appropriate article
 * "with the result that Germany's 1938 World Cup squad included many Austrians." – "resulting in Germany's 1938 World Cup squad to include many Austrians."
 * not done - I'm sorry, that sentence doesn't work at all.
 * Try "resulting in Germany's 1938 World Cup squad's inclusion of many Austrians." Dabomb87 (talk) 21:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's better - although, on reflection, 'several' is more appropriate than 'many'. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 22:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "break-up of Germany" – perhaps link to a relevant article about the creation of West and East Germany
 * done - covered above
 * "During this period the" – "During this period, the"
 * done
 * OK, I've addressed your recommendations. Comments in italics. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I made a few more changes, but a few issues still remain.
 * "Notes" column should not be sortable; why would anyone want to sort it? The information in there is not comparable, alphabetically-speaking.
 * Done - I wasn't aware you can do this with individual columns
 * Check the table's sorting. "Klaus Allofs" and "Karl Allgöwer" are in the wrong order, for instance. Use sortname if the article isn't already.
 * Done - sortname is used, this row was incorrectly placed
 * "captain, with" – "captain, and has"
 * Done
 * "most successful era" – seems a bit subjective to me
 * It's qualified by mentioning that they won the two competitions consecutively; they haven't done this at any other time. I feel that adding more detail would be inappropriate for an image caption

Gary King ( talk ) 03:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, same drill. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support Gary King  ( talk ) 20:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * For the benefit of those of your readers with less than perfect eyesight, please consider using normal rather than small font size for the notes column.
 * done
 * Numeric columns would look better either numerically-aligned (as done in player infoboxes), or centred; anything but left-aligned, really.
 * done
 * What's the significance of "Ehrenspielführer"?
 * It's established in the key, but I've added a reference to it
 * I saw the translation, but was wondering what the concept meant. Does it have any relationship to team captain (as there are only 4 Ehrenspielführer but many team captains), or is it the name of an honour awarded after the player's career finishes, or what? Struway2 (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've added a para about it to the lead. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps change the caption of the Ballack picture to something like "Ballack was appointed captain in yyyy"; as it stands, it needs an as-of date and updating every game.
 * done
 * replied. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 14:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * resolved satisfactorily. Struway2 (talk) 09:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.