Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Adana massacre

Adana massacre
Voting period ends on 3 Mar 2014  at 23:33:44 (UTC)
 * Reason:A very nice .SVG showing a detailed map of the various districts in the city of Adana after the Adana massacre. Great EV.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Adana massacre
 * FP category for this image:Featured_pictures/Diagrams,_drawings,_and_maps/Maps
 * Creator:Geagea


 * Support as nominator --Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:33, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose — Not to minimize the historical importance of the Armenian Genocide — but I suspect few readers/viewers will take interest in a map showing the localities of an atrocity that took place more than a century ago. Sca (talk) 16:53, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous. The Armenian Genocide remains a controversial, salient and interesting topic. Even if it weren't, the fact that there is an article discussing the events and locations on the map demonstrates that it has EV. It doesn't matter if you (or readers) find it difficult to take an interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.132.240 (talk) 22:07, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Whether you are interested in the topic or not is irrelevant to the FP criteria. Nick-D (talk) 22:44, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - There's plenty of FP maps of cities and towns 200+ years old, why should this be an exception? Should we delist an FP of the Yosemite National Park in 1871 under the assumption that no one cares about how parks looked like 140+ years ago? Also, this massacre happened six years prior to the start of the Armenian Genocide and is not directly related to that event. However, it did bear fruit to a culture of massacres that culminated into a genocidal campaign. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose No source provided for the information presented on the map, and it's not a very good quality map at present: the stubs of railway tracks (not connected to the train station!) on the western half of the map seem unlikely to be accurate, the roads into town suddenly end when they hit the built-up area (with what I presume are the roads within the town being depicted as gaps of pretty much the same width between built-up areas), no explanation is provided for the localities marked with orange squares, and the map doesn't have a scale. Also, what's the story with the colour-coding of text: I can understand different colours being used to distinguish the Christian and Muslim sites, but why are the gardens and fields marked in Muslim green? I have to say that I'm getting pretty sick of the steady stream of low-quality FPC nominations on Armenian-related images: is there a campaign going on here or something? If so, please pay more attention to quality control. Nick-D (talk) 22:34, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Nick. Sca... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:01, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Sure, I'm never against improving a map of such high EV. In fact, I'm working on improving it now. I'll come back and renominate this map. Also, I find Nick-D's remarks towards "Armenian-related images" of WP:BADFAITH since Armenian related pictures aren't the only "low quality" FP candidates around here. There have been many success stories and many more to come. Étienne Dolet (talk) 09:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As I apparently failed to make clear above, my opposition to the FP has nothing to do with the intrinsic merit of the Armenian Genocide as an important chapter in the emotion-fraught topic of Ethnic cleansing — it has to do with lack of visual appeal in a very detailed map showing what for most English-speaking readers (our audience here) is a site, among others, of a historically remote event. Sca (talk) 17:04, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose as per Nick-D. This is not a very high quality map. Why does the cemetery have 5 symbols and the mosques 1? What does that symbol even mean? Many other issues listed above. Mattximus (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment That is in order to differentiate cemeteries from mosques. The symbol is that of a Crescent of Islam, an essential symbol in the Islam. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * So just to be clear, one crescent means a mosque but 5 crescents means a cemetery? That is a very strange system and needs to be fixed. Mattximus (talk) 21:32, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not the maker of the map but I presume that they are supposed to signify tombstones. They have religious symbols on them to differentiate the different religions of each cemetery. Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose Irrational nationalism. Not suitable the criteria for FP per art. 6. Map doesn't contain any details and map source-based Armenian. Maurice07 (talk) 12:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * What makes you think this map is "Irrational nationalism"? Just because the source for the map is "Armenian" doesn't really mean it's unreliable. Étienne Dolet (talk) 17:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 03:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)