Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop/Archive/May 2013

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Bishop coat of arms request
Article(s): Harry Entwistle Request: Can some change the galero and fiocchi on Harry Entwistle's coat of arms from black to the ones above. I would be appreciated if someone could make coat of arms and sorry for a long request. (update: I simplified the request) Spongie555 (talk) 04:45, 10 April 2013 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

Svg Request for TMB bank logo
Article(s): Tamilnad Mercantile Bank Limited Request: SVG version for this  file... Perumalism  Chat  10:39, 11 April 2013 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):
 * The copyright claim on the raster file is very questionable. Where on the page it links to does it say that this is in the public domain?
 * If it really is PD, then we can happily attempt to make our own vector of this, but if it's copyrighted or trademarked, we'll undoubtedly introduce inaccuracies.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 11:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This could (and should) be licensed as  and  . At least as long as no OTRS message is available from "TMB Ltd.". I assume there's probably some PDF with vector data around that one could use. This shouldn't be hand-traced. -- Patrick87 (talk) 13:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You mentioned on my talk page that you found a PDF source for the logo. Where is the link however? Did I overlook it? -- Patrick87 (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Seal of Tamil Nadu
Text: தமிழ் நாடு அரசு வாய்மையே வெல்லும் Article(s): Seal of Tamil Nadu. etc Request: It will be so helpful if svg image version is created because it was used in more tan 100 pages Thank you ... Perumalism  Chat  10:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):
 * I assume the characters around the circle and at the bottom are a script, so it would be very helpful to have those characters as text rather than having to hand-trace them.
 * Also, the level of detail of this image is very low, so the detail on the yellow tower can't possibly be recreated, as we can't tell what it is.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 11:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Theres a much better verion (with English text) at Tamil Nadu Emblem.png that could be used as a source. I wasn't able to find an official vector version, though. Maybe you could ask the author of the English version if he has a vector file at hand. -- Patrick87 (talk) 23:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've tried tracing the central part, and the result is passable but by no means perfect. If the original author does have a vector source that'd be preferable, but this is fine for now.  I'll add the surrounding text shortly.   Nik Naks  talk - gallery 16:12, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

NLC logo
Article(s): Neyveli Lignite Corporation Request:
 * Svg coversion of the file the detail in image low so you can click than link to see the inner letter clearly... --  Perumalism   Chat  13:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): Please don't link directly to non-free images.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 15:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC) ✅: see File:Neyveli_Lignite_Corporation.svg. Please ensure the non-free use rationale is completed correctly, as I am a novice at that.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 15:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

TaNGeDCo Logo
Article(s): Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corporation Limited Request: Svg version of file Thankyou ... -- Perumalism   Chat  03:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): I have searched their website and cannot find any PDFs with a vector logo on. They all seem to use a raster file. If someone else wants to have a look, please do, but I don't think we can complete this request.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 11:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Banners
Article(s): varios Request: By replacing the text in the banners, some new coat of arms can be created: --Antemister (talk) 11:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Replace the text in File:Coat of arms of Saint Kitts and Nevis.svg by "Unity in Trinity", and upload the file as File:Coat of arms of Saint Christopher-Nevis-Anguilla (1967-1983).svg.
 * Replace the text in File:Coat of arms of Mozambique.svg by "República Popular de Moçambique", and upload it as File:Coat of arms of Mozambique (1982-1990).svg.
 * Replace the text in File:Coat of arms of Mozambique (1975-1982).svg by "República Popular de Moçambique" [sic!]

Graphist opinion(s): ✅


 * Your first one already exists as File:Coat of arms of Saint Christopher-Nevis-Anguilla 1967-1983.svg.  Fry1989  eh?   15:29, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I read this reply late (as usual!). I've done all three as requested.  If any are duplicates or inferior to existing works, please let me know and I'll nom them for deletion.   Nik Naks  talk - gallery 15:41, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * PAY ATTENTION! lol ;). They aren't the same thing, there are differences, so we can keep both really.  Fry1989  eh?   16:19, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

It exists, but with a different color shade. Will doing the research, I did not find any source which confirm the color shade of the old version we have. AFter having replaced it, I'll start a DR.--Antemister (talk) 17:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC) ✅--Antemister (talk) 14:20, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Dozenal multiplication table
Article(s): Duodecimal Request:
 * Please vectorise. The font is Times New Roman, bolded in the multiplication table and normal in the digit images. Also create versions with overlines for the digits and a special blue (HTML colour blue) digit 11. -- Double sharp (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * These are intended to be used in text, e.g. 3.184809493Dozenal gb 11.png4573Dozenal gb 10.pngDozenal gb 11.pngDozenal gb 11.png1Dozenal gb 10.png290Dozenal gb 10.pngDozenal gb 10.png... (the base 12 expansion for pi) Double sharp (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): Would it be feasible to just create the individual numbers and then use a normal table? And would the font need to change to go into articles (Arial instead of Times for instance)?  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 15:28, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would be OK to just create the individual digits. I would personally prefer them to look very harmonious with the typed digits (not like the above .pngs where they fall below the line of the other digits). It would also be good if the turned 3 (digit 11) had a straight bottom, not the curved one it currently has, per DSGB conventions. (A chi is sometimes seen for 10, but that can get confusing because it looks like X.) Double sharp (talk) 08:54, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's how the multiplication table looks like with the digit images (current .pngs) Double sharp (talk) 14:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll have a crack at it.


 * I've made images for the table based on what looks good on my PC (which is using Arial) although I've also uploaded "Sans" and "Times New Roman" variants depending on what'd be best for most people. I'm assuming the answer would be Sans, but I don't know enough about how the styles work.  I'll upload bolded/blue versions of the one that's most useful.   Nik Naks  talk - gallery 16:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, you should probably use  in your SVG. This is the most general specification which works on all systems and should match the default font used in most browsers. -- Patrick87 (talk) 16:46, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Would that work, though? The thumbnails would be PNGs rendered by MediaWiki, so would it even get as far as the user's PC?   Nik Naks  talk - gallery 17:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Currently it won't work. As you say all SVGs are rendered as PNG by the Mediawiki software. When specifying "sans-serif" the SVG renderer pics the default font without serifs which is currently "DejaVu Sans". When choosing "Arial" the renderer substitutes it with the space-compatible "Liberation Sans". Both won't look native on all systems, e.g. Windows, though. It's therefore merely a matter of taste which to pick here. However if at any point the Mediawiki software supports direct embedding of SVGs or if the SVGs are to be used outside Wikipedia, specifiying a generic font family will aid portability (suppose you specify "Arial" and use that on a Linux machine, then it could get replaced with a serif font in the worst case since "Arial" isn't available). You can also specify multiple fonts, e.g., the SVG renderer always picks the first available (e.g. Arial on Windows) and only uses the generic family if none of the others is available. -- Patrick87 (talk) 17:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Arial looks the best. The others are very inconsistent with digit placing on the line. Double sharp (talk) 13:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that might be an error on my part. I was messing with Arial but didn't update the others to compensate.  See if they're any more consistent now.  I know that the 3s are cut off slightly, but that is easy to fix if you want to use those fonts.   Nik Naks  talk - gallery 13:57, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Inverted 3 always looks right. Arial inverted 2 is OK, Sans inverted 2 looks compressed vertically, and Times inverted 2 stretches way below the baseline. Double sharp (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Haha! I knew it was possible without creating prerendered SVGs. What about this solution: 22 33 ? It uses pure CSS and should work in all modern browsers. Some older browsers (includeing IE < 9) could have problems, though. You can produce this output with. The template rotate puts in the necessary CSS for arbitrary rotations, I just updated it a little bit for better Browser compatibility. --Patrick87 (talk) 14:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks great on IE9, which is what I use; however, I'm somewhat apprehensive about using this solution if it might not work for IE(≤8). Double sharp (talk) 10:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this is by far the best solution, but non-compatibility is not ideal. Perhaps we could use an infobox similar to the "Special characters" one to alert readers of potential problems. Compatibility mode in IE9 seems to just not rotate the numbers.
 * I only know very vague things about inline CSS; is it possible to check for older browsers within it and swap out a character for one of these images?  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 15:55, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this would be possible, but could get a little more complex very fast. I think you have to decide whether you want a nice looking native font rendering using CSS (and therefore have compatibility problems with some old browsers) or use prerendered SVGs (therefore not having any compatibility problems but suboptimal rendering on most systems). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick87 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Emblems of Tuva
Request:
 * We do have these excellent images of the historical emblems of Tuva. But any of them contains a mistake: The maps in the emblems show the current borders of the Tuvan Republic, and not those which were used in that time. The map above shows the 1914 (blue) and the current borders (red). The 1914 borders were revised in 1932 (Mongolia) and 1953 (Russia), respectively. Is it possible to correct the images? The tuvan "peninsula" in the south west was mongolian territory before 1932.-- Antemister (talk) 15:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

=Resolved=

Swap labels for dx and dy
Article(s): Arc length Request: The article declares standard usage by saying "We will call the horizontal element of this distance dx, and the vertical element dy." but in the image these labels are reversed. The dx and dy should be swapped in this image to avoid confusion. The image may be redundant for this particular article, in which case it could just be removed, but if other articles also link to it then it should be corrected.

-- 96.48.157.217 (talk) 10:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC) The description for the image in the article "For a small piece of curve, ∆s can be approximated with the Pythagorean theorem" implies the ds label should be for the curve. Please revise to keep ds in the same location as it was in the original image.

96.48.157.217 (talk) 23:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):


 * I've made a vector version with the requested changes. Let me know if there are any errors or if you'd like it changed further.   Nik Naks  talk - gallery 17:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure whether the ds label should be for the portion of curve within the triangle or the straight line which approximates it. I have inquired on the talk page of the article. -- 96.48.157.217 (talk) 14:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it's OK. You could write $$ds \approx \Delta s = \sqrt{\Delta x^2 + \Delta y^2}$$, were the actual path segment could be labeled $$ds$$. I would leave it out however, since strictly speaking $$ds$$ is an infinitesimal small piece of this path and as soon as the piece gets infinitesimally small it is equal to the straight part of the path (that's the trick in the end). -- Patrick87 (talk) 15:45, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I did it without really looking at the detail. If you want to use $$ \Delta s $$ as the actual segment of the curve rather than the result of Pythagoras, it's very easy to move the label.   Nik Naks  talk - gallery 17:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I put the label back to the path (it doesn't matter in the end but maybe it's easier to understand for the layman). Therefore this request should be resolved now. --Patrick87 (talk) 23:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

BHEL Logo
Article(s): Bharat_Heavy_Electricals_Limited Request:
 * It will be helpful if you vectorise the file ,the logo on the 4 page of the pdf file will be clear  Perumalism   Chat  15:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * The logo in the PD is rather low quality, but it is a vector and is fine at normal resolution so I've extracted and uploaded it.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 16:41, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I just uploaded an SVG version with much better quality. --Patrick87 (talk) 23:54, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

REC Logo
Article(s): Rural Electrification Corporation Limited Request:
 * It will be helpful if you vectorise the file... -- Perumalism   Chat  16:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * I've extracted the logo, but I'm very wary that the license of the raster is wrong so I don't know what to upload this one as.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 16:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably PD-textlogo with trademarked would be OK. --Patrick87 (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

✅

vectorise of file
Article(s): Bhavini Request:
 * It will be helpful if you vectorise the file, Logo will be clear in the Conner of the 3 page of pdf... -- Perumalism   Chat  18:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - See here.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 18:43, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Uranium Corporation of India Logo
Article(s): Uranium Corporation of India Request:
 * It will be helpful if you vectorise the file,the logo will be clear in the conner of page 3 ... -- Perumalism   Chat  08:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - See here.-- FreemesM  (talk) 19:36, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Logo of MECON Limited
Article(s): MECON Limited Request:
 * Vectorise the image Thankyou... -- Perumalism   Chat  11:53, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 16:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Resolved, the new file is at File:MECON logo.svg. --Patrick87 (talk) 00:37, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Typo
Articles: Moons of Saturn Request:
 * Fix the typo - "Imir" needs to be corrected to "Ymir". And can you change the Y axis so it reads "degrees", not "degree"?

Graphist opinion(s):

✅ -- Fulvio 314  12:13, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think something happened that caused it to revert back, I no longer see the changes... 8.2.215.2 (talk)


 * Just calm down, sometimes it takes a while for all the caches to refresh. You can always try to add  to the end of the URL to force refreshing of caches. Also make sure to clear/refresh your browsers cache (e.g. holding shift while clicking the refresh button in Firefox). --Patrick87 (talk) 17:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * They're back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.2.215.2 (talk) 21:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Removing black box arising from flowed text
Article(s): User:Sphilbrick Request:
 * I'm an Inkscape beginner, and cannot figure out something.
 * I have a big black box in the image


 * I know it is a problem with flowed text, but I have tried:


 * Convert to Text
 * Unflow
 * Removing the text box


 * I've tried saving as Inkscape svg and as Plain svg.


 * I still have the black box.


 * Any suggestions? -- SPhilbrick  (Talk)  20:21, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * You actually managed to have an invisible  left in "layer1". It didn't display any text (therefore invisible in Inkscape) but since the SVG renderer librsvg used in Wikimedia projects doesn't handle flowRoots it displayed the black box in error. --Patrick87 (talk) 21:47, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was getting ready to ask you how to remove it, but I see you did it for me. Thank-you. For future reference, should I remove it by using a text editor or is there a way in Inkscape? -- SPhilbrick  (Talk)
 * You can use the "XML Editor" from the edit menu in Inkscape. However it's often easier to use a text editor if you know what you're searching (e.g. in this case I just searched for the text "flow"). --Patrick87 (talk) 00:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OK Thanks.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Russian seal (15th century)
Article(s): Double-headed eagle, probably useful in a few other articles too. Request:
 * I would like to request a vector version of the eagle half of the seal of Ivan III, for use at Double-headed eagle (and probably anywhere File:Coat of arms of Russia (XV Century).svg is used as well). It might be a good idea to also vectorize the full image for use anywhere the PNG version is currently used. Wilhelm Meis (&#9742; Diskuss &#124; &#x270D; Beiträge) 21:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ I just vectorized the image myself using the online preview version of Vector Magic. Wilhelm Meis (&#9742; Diskuss &#124; &#x270D; Beiträge) 01:55, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Seal of Ivan 3 (reverse).svg

Open visored close helm and armet for functional comparison


Article(s): Armet and Close helmet Request:
 * The above images are more of a reference point than a direct request for vectorization. Here's what I want to do:  I'd like to end up with a unified side-by-side comparison image showing a close helm (see first image above for an example) with the visor open and the bevor at least partially open (like this or like this one—see Cavalry helmet), put side-by-side with an open armet (see the lower half of the third image above for a good example of this).  If simply cropping the lower half of the armet pictured above and vectorizing that is the easiest way to do the armet, that sounds good to me.  The idea is that this side-by-side comparison would show the functional differences between an armet and a close helm, as these are superficially similar helmet types but their differences become apparent in the open position, and this comparative image could be added to both articles.  Please let me know if this is feasible.  -- Wilhelm Meis (&#9742; Diskuss &#124; &#x270D; Beiträge) 21:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ Took a lot of time, but I figured it out myself. Wilhelm Meis (&#9742; Diskuss &#124; &#x270D; Beiträge) 08:00, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Yugoslav naval flag
Article(s): List of Yugoslav flags Request:
 * Changing proportions from 1:2 (actual) to 2:3 (as per source linked at file's description template) -- Nicola Romani (talk) 13:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - maybe you could check if there are other errors in some of the flags found in List of Yugoslav flags. --Patrick87 (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Here it seems there was a similar merchant marine flag, same 2:3 proportions as the flag above but no white anchor inside the star. --Nicola Romani (talk) 19:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

American Sign Language alphabet
Article(s): American Sign Language Request:
 * Please adjust the color balance and saturation of the individual images so that they all appear to be approximately the same color. Right now, several of them appear washed out, including the images for H, M, N, Q, R, S, and Y. Also please remove the final image for "I Love You" since it is not part of the ASL alphabet. -- Kaldari (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅: Patrick87 (talk) 00:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That looks great! Kaldari (talk) 00:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That looks great! Kaldari (talk) 00:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)