Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop/Archive/Sep 2022

Orthographic map of Russia with long-term occupied territories
resolved


 * Article(s):
 * Russia


 * Request:
 * I’m asking for a green-and-grey locator map of Russia, suitable for the article’s infobox, including in light green the territories that had been persistently occupied for about seven years from February 2015 to February 2022. That includes 1) the southernmost islands involved in the Kuril Islands dispute which are already in light green, and 2) in Ukraine, the peninsula of Crimea and the actual territories east of the line of contact specified in the Minsk agreements, occupied by the Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic.
 * I am happy to do any editing necessary on an SVG image myself, if someone can just run the right sources through the perl script for locator maps.
 * The relevant map convention: WikiProject Maps/Conventions/Orthographic maps
 * Other sources for the Minsk line of contact:
 * In a PDF downloadable from the OSCE
 * In a PDF downloadable from Reliefweb
 * Thanks. —Michael Z. 22:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Discussion:
 * are you after a similar map to this one (but centred on Russia instead of Ukraine)? M.Bitton (talk) 22:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton, yes, looks like the exact same outlines! —Michael Z. 22:53, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ have a look and let me know if I missed something. M.Bitton (talk) 16:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton, that looks great. Thank you very much. I will add it to the article shortly. There has been a lot of inconclusive discussion about the location map there, and I am hoping this will meet consensus better than the available options. —Michael Z. 18:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Blank Upper Silesian Industrial Region svg

 * Article(s):
 * Ekstraklasa, I liga, all articles in Category:Ekstraklasa seasons, all articles in Category:I liga seasons

Hello, is it possible to create a map of the Upper Silesian Industrial Region, shown here:
 * Request:



In a blank svg format as exampled here (neighboring Gliwice County):



I hasten to add there is a svg map of the voivodeship:



I would be very grateful and this could be used in so many articles, not just the ones I mentioned.

Abcmaxx (talk) 09:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Discussion:


 * @Abcmaxx, something like this? –  B errely • T∕C 12:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * yes!! Thank you! One minor point, is the eastern voivodeship border correct? Abcmaxx (talk) 12:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded it here: File:Upper Silesian Industrial Region location map.svg, as for the borders, I downloaded them from the official geoportal of Poland's website, so they should be correct. –  B errely • T∕C 12:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you so much! Abcmaxx (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please ping me if you want any changes or have any further queries :) –  B errely • T∕C 13:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have just tried it out at I liga but it didn't seem to do the trick. I triple checked the coordinates, but it's still not placing Sosnowiec in Sosnowiec, Katowice in Katowice etc., they all seem to want to be in Tychy. Any ideas? Abcmaxx (talk) 13:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Abcmaxx apologies, I wasn't aware you wanted a location map that supported coordinates as well. I've made a module for it (the name is "Poland Upper Silesian") and added it, should be working now. –  B errely • T∕C 14:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Realms territories and protectorates of Elizabeth II map - Southern Cameroons

 * Article(s):
 * Any article this map already appears on.


 * Request:
 * Southern Cameroons was part of a British mandate --112.118.57.99 (talk) 16:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Discussion:

Blank 118th Congress Map

 * Article(s):
 * 118th United States Congress and related


 * Request:
 * It seems striking to me that we don't have a blank map showing the redistricted maps for the US House of Representatives. File:2022 United States House of Representatives elections retirements or losses of renomination map.svg on Commons shows the Districts, but with color-coding.  Any way to strip the color out and get a blank map? -- Hog Farm Talk 19:24, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

it's very easy to strip those colours: open the file (using a decent text editor) and delete everything between  (on line 9) and. Then, replace the fill colour by changing  (on line 7) into. M.Bitton (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * - What sort of text editor would work? (I'm basically useless with code, and I think the closest thing I have to a text editor currently is Windows Notepad. Hog Farm Talk 02:11, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

It appears that there's already a blank map at File:US House 2022.svg, is that what you want? — twotwofourtysix (talk &#124;&#124; edits) 02:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you! It just wasn't in the categories I was expecting.  So Hog Farm Talk 02:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Map of Arabic vernaculars

 * Article(s):
 * Arabic
 * Varieties of Arabic
 * Levantine Arabic (and other articles about one specific variety)


 * Request:
 * As discussed in Talk:Arabic the only map of Arabic vernaculars that we have is: original research, full of errors and not based on a high-quality reliable source. The list of all Arabic varieties recognized in the ISO 639-3 standard can be found here. Excluding Standard Arabic (arb) and adding Hassaniya Arabic (mey) and Maltese (mlt), there are 30 active Arabic vernaculars. We would like to display all Arabic varieties (and only them) on a single map (with one color for each variety) based on Ethnologue's maps (in linguistics, "Ethnologue...has become the standard reference, and its usefulness is hard to overestimate."):

Thanks for any help you can provide! A455bcd9 (talk) 08:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Western Sahara
 * Hassaniya Arabic (mey)
 * Moroccan Arabic (ary)
 * Algerian Saharan Arabic (aao)
 * Algerian Arabic (arq)
 * Tunisian Arabic (aeb)
 * Libya and Egypt
 * Libyan Arabic (ayl) (also called "Western Egyptian Bedawi Spoken Arabic" on the map)
 * Egyptian Arabic (arz)
 * Eastern Egyptian Bedawi Arabic (avl)
 * Saidi Arabic (aec)
 * Mauritania
 * Hassaniya Arabic (mey)
 * Niger
 * Algerian Saharan Arabic (aao)
 * Hassaniya Arabic (mey)
 * Libyan Arabic (ayl)
 * Chadian Arabic (shu) (called "Shuwa Arabic" on the map)
 * Mali: Central Mali, Western Mali, and All Mali
 * Hassaniya Arabic (mey)
 * Northern Chad and Southern Chad
 * Chadian Arabic (shu, number "5" on these maps). Chadian Arabic is also "widespread" so the whole country outside the specific Chadian Arabic regions could then be hatched in the same color
 * Sudan
 * Sudanese Arabic (apd) (widespread => hatched area?)
 * This more accurate map (p. 194) could be used instead, and the rest of the country would be hatched
 * South Sudan
 * Sudanese Arabic (apd) (widespread => hatched area?)
 * Sudanese Creole Arabic (pga) (widespread => hatched area?)
 * According to Ethnologue: "Central Equatoria, Eastern Equatoria, and Western Equatoria states: widespread, into Northern Bahr al Ghazal, Western Bahr al Ghazal, and Upper Nile states."
 * Stefano Manfredi's Árabi Júba : un pidgin-créole du Soudan du Sud has a map of Juba Arabic, p. 11: we could use it for pga and hatch the rest of the country
 * Jordan and Syria
 * Najdi Arabic (ars)
 * Eastern Egyptian Bedawi Arabic (avl, called "Levantine Bedawi" on the map)
 * South Levantine Arabic (ajp)
 * North Levantine Arabic (apc)
 * North Mesopotamian Arabic (ayp)
 * Mesopotamian Arabic (acm)
 * Iraq
 * Gulf Arabic (afb)
 * Mesopotamian Arabic (acm)
 * Najdi Arabic (ars)
 * North Mesopotamian Arabic (ayp)
 * Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates
 * Baharna Arabic (abv)
 * Gulf Arabic (afb)
 * Najdi Arabic (ars)
 * Hijazi Arabic (acw)
 * Shihhi Arabic (ssh)
 * Oman
 * Gulf Arabic (afb)
 * Omani Arabic	(acx)
 * Shihhi Arabic (ssh)
 * Baharna Arabic (abv)
 * Dhofari Arabic (adf)
 * Yemen
 * Sanaani Arabic (ayn)
 * Ta'izzi-Adeni Arabic	(acq)
 * Hadrami Arabic (ayh)
 * North East of Nigeria
 * Chadian Arabic (shu) (called "Shuwa Arabic" 215 on the map)
 * Northern Cameroon
 * Chadian Arabic (shu) (called "Shuwa Arabic" 2 on the map)
 * Uzbekistan
 * Uzbeki Arabic (auz)
 * Afghanistan
 * Tajiki Arabic (abh)
 * Tajikistan
 * Tajiki Arabic (abh)
 * Cyprus
 * Cypriot Arabic (acy)
 * Central African Republic
 * Chadian Arabic (shu) (also called Baggara Arabic: "Baggara Belt" on this map, just in the Central African Republic, we rely on Ethnologue for other countries)
 * Malta
 * Maltese (mlt) (whole island)
 * Djibouti
 * Ta'izzi-Adeni Arabic (acq): This source ("Figure 32.1 Map showing the Arabic‐speaking regions and the status of Arabic in the various countries (courtesy of Peter Behnstedt).", p. 524) and Ethnologue mention that Ta'izzi-Adeni Arabic (also called "Djibouti Arabic") is spoken in Djibouti. However, only about 10% of the population speaks it. So we could hatched the area or add a colored triangle.
 * Senegal
 * Hassaniya Arabic (mey): The above source (Figure 32.1) and Ethnologue mention that Hassaniya is spoken in Senegal. Hassaniya is also officially recognized by the Senegalese government. Regarding the location, Ethnologue says in the "Matam and Saint-Louis Regions". However, only about 20% of the population speaks it. So we could hatched the area or add a colored triangle.
 * Eritrea
 * Hijazi Arabic (acw): spoken in the Northern Red Sea Region and Southern Red Sea Region according to Ethnologue. However, only about 10% of the population speaks the language there, so we could hatched the area or add a colored triangle
 * File:Central Asian Arabic enclaves.png
 * Khamse Arabs Tribe in Iran: Gulf Arabic (afb)
 * Other areas in Iran: Uzbeki Arabic (auz)
 * Areas in Uzbekistan: Uzbeki Arabic (auz)
 * Areas in Afghanistan: Tajiki Arabic (abh)
 * (it may overlap with the maps of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Afghanistan as this is another source, but it's fine)
 * Kenya and Uganda
 * Nubi (kcn): Figure 32.1 displays the Nubi language, an Arabic-based creole. Ethnologue agrees with this definition ("Creole, Arabic based", "Conflicting reports of intelligibility with Juba Arabic [pga]. 90% of the lexicon comes from Arabic."). Nubi speakers are scattered across these countries. In Kenya, they are concentrated in Nairobi and Mombasa and in Uganda in Arua, Bombo, Koboko, Kumi, Luwero, Ngora, and Yumbe. However, these areas are small and Nubi speakers are only a minority of the population there. So could add colored triangles over Kenya and Uganda for Nubi as Figure 32.1 did. Because I'm afraid the hatched areas won't be visible.
 * Iran
 * Mesopotamian Arabic (acm) (not in free access => my screenshot, it shows the south west of Iran where [acm] is spoken, same area as on File:Árabe mesopotámico.png.) According to Ethnologue: "Bushehr province: Deylam county; Khuzestan province: southwest Zagros mountains, Shatt al Arab river area."
 * Gulf Arabic (afb) (not in free access => my screenshot, it shows the south coast of Iran where [afb] is spoken, more or less the same area as on File:Penninsular Arabic.svg and File:Árabe del Golfo.PNG) According to Ethnologue: "Hormozgan province and nearby Persian gulf islands; also Bushehr, Fars, Kerman, and Yazd provinces."
 * Turkey
 * North Mesopotamian Arabic (ayp)
 * Mesopotamian Arabic (acm)
 * The above map is not precise, we could add a triangle over that area, otherwise we can use "Map 9.2 ‘Bedouin’ and ‘sedentary’ Arabic dialect areas in the Northern Fertile Crescent" (p. 259) in Prochazka, Northern Fertile Crescent that is super accurate (my screenshot: "Syrian dialects" = North Levantine Arabic // "Mesopotamian qeltu dialects" = North Mesopotamian Arabic // "Shawi dialects" & "Shammar dialects" = Mesopotamian Arabic). A simpler version is this one: File:Levantine Arabic 2022.svg
 * Shuwa Arabic
 * Chadian Arabic (shu) (also called Baggara Arabic: "Baggara Belt" on this map): Add areas in Niger, Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad, Sudan, and South Sudan (if doable for the Sudans).
 * For Israel & Palestine
 * The basis is this map: File:Levantine Arabic 2022.svg
 * BUT, in Israel, the Beersheba Subdistrict (dark blue) should be Eastern Egyptian Bedawi Arabic (avl) only (source). So no South Levantine Arabic in this area.
 * In the West Bank: the Eastern part of the West Bank is controlled by Israel (with the exception of the area around Jericho) and South Levantine Arabic is not spoken there: blue on this map, white on this map. On the other hand, there are Bedouins in this area controlled by Israel (source 1, source 2). The map is super complex, and we don't have super accurate sources either; so to make things simpler: the Eastern part of the West bank should be colored as Eastern Egyptian Bedawi Arabic (avl) (with the exception of the area around Jericho) while the rest of the West Bank (western part + area around Jericho) should be colored as South Levantine Arabic
 * Note: To allow the map to be used in different language editions, the legend should not be included in the SVG file. A455bcd9 (talk) 19:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Discussion:
 * Are the maps' projections mentioned in their respective articles? M.Bitton (talk) 14:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Projections are unfortunately not mentioned in these maps of countries, which makes it hard to superimpose them on a blank Mmap of the Middle East (I tried without success...). However, Ethnologue has other maps for each language (for instance ary). These language maps all use the same projection. Unfortunately, you need an account to access them. I could provide my credentials and/or screenshots though. A455bcd9 (talk) 16:41, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Note that there is an ISO request to merge Northern and Southern Levantine Arabic. Evidently the linguistic distinction is urban vs rural; maybe there is a north/south divide in the rural lects, but that doesn't extend to the cities, as Ethnologue describes. The requesters are from the Polytechnique, Oxford and SOAS, so there's a good change this merger will be accepted. — kwami (talk) 21:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Hi, maybe I can help you here. It's a complex request and to my understanding most (if not all, haven't checked all) of your sources are protected in some way and the maps can't be used to copy from, they can only be used as information. To me that means I can look at the maps and then by eye/hand transfer the areas to your requested map, I can't superimpose (if it's possible to find a base map with the same projection etc) the maps to copy them. So this means the requested map will not be as exact as you probably wants/expect it to be.
 * If this is fine with you I can start working on this but I will need your help, knowledge and assistance all the way on the work on this map. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Goran tek-en, thanks a lot for offering to help! Yes, it's totally fine if the borders aren't "perfect." Boundaries between dialects aren't clear anyway. I'm usually quite responsive on Wikipedia, and I'll be happy to help and assist you. A455bcd9 (talk) 16:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 So first we have to agree on the overall area the map should cover, is this the correct area? If not please tell me/show me which it should be, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kwamikagami: just seeing your message now. I'm the main requester of this proposal :) The decision will be announced in January 2023. If it's not accepted, I hope the ISO 639-3 Registration Authority will at least give their criteria distinguishing South Levantine from North Levantine and the border between the areas where they are spoken. A455bcd9 (talk) 12:34, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Look at this image.
 * 1 Is Hassaniyya spoken in all of Western Sahara except for the small area where Moroccan is spoken?
 * 2 Is it those three small areas for Hassaniyya?
 * 3 I don't understand which part it's supposed to be for Hassaniyya? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: I've just been unbanned :) Copying here what I wrote earlier on my talk page:
 * Yes: all of Western Sahara except for the small area where Moroccan is spoken
 * Yes: Ethnologue also says "Tindouf Province" for Hassaniya in Algeria, see here
 * Ethnologue says for Hassaniya in Morocco "proper": "Souss-Massa-Drâa region: Mhamid, western Algeria border", see here => so small that you can probably forget about it...
 * Thanks again for your help! A455bcd9 (talk) 19:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 I'm so happy it all worked out for you and so quickly.
 * The drafts I show you are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons.
 * The drafts are shown for proofreading only.
 * I want to check some things before I continue
 * Sometimes you have to exaggerate the size of very small areas which I have done here, so for this and what to come, just tell me if you want me to make some smaller or remove.
 * We have some 30 areas with different colors and to me it's very difficult to distinguish them, especially for people with color deficiency so I suggest we also use numbers as I have done in this draft.
 * Check this draft as-1 and give me feedback if this is an acceptecal way for us to work on this. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:32, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm also glad it all worked out in the end. M.Bitton (talk) 23:58, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, I'm glad as well :)
 * Regarding your questions:
 * "exaggerate the size of very small areas": OK
 * colors: I'm red/green colorblind so this is definitely an issue for me. I like the approach you proposed!
 * A455bcd9 (talk) 13:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton: thanks! A455bcd9 (talk) 07:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 I want you to check a draft for each area that I have completed so it won't be to much to edit/check.
 * For this first draft I would like you to tell me which of the two variations you want, grey or colored numbers. Check all the areas, thanks.
 * 1-5 colors
 * 1-5 grey
 * --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: looks amazing! I prefer the grey numbers. (I have difficulties reading some colored numbers.) A455bcd9 (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Draft 6-9. I had some problems with some areas so tell me what to edit, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:03, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: looks perfect to me (for "Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Western Sahara" & "Libya and Egypt"), thanks! A455bcd9 (talk) 18:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 I can't figure this map out, you will have to help me here or show me another map. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 For all of the maps regarding Mali, I can't find the language "Hassaniya Arabic (mey)" in them? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:42, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, hi! Re. Mali: Hasanya Arabic in the North, in an area shared with Tamasheq, top left hand corner with Tamashed, top left hand corner in one area alone and in another with Soninke.
 * Regarding Niger: I'll try to find another map, let's focus on other countries in the meantime. A455bcd9 (talk) 17:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * For Niger @Goran tek-en, here are four maps (one for each Arabic dialect spoken in Niger) that should be able to make sense of the general Niger map: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yqIOWXaVrsYbzt6YL2d8xonsT0iAyY__?usp=sharing Please let me know if you have further questions. A455bcd9 (talk) 17:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Two things:
 * the maps you shared by drive was very good for me, easy to see and I can copy-trace from them as the are based on OpenStreetMap, much easier for me, thanks
 * we have the same vernacular in different countries, should they not have the same color but different numbers or do you want to keep it like this?
 * Draft 11-15. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:52, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: Good to know for the maps. "same vernacular in different countries" => yes, should have the same number and same color, in particular I think the following:
 * Hassaniyya (mey): 1, 10, 12, 15
 * Libyan: 6, 13
 * Algerian Saharan (aao): 3, 11
 * A455bcd9 (talk) 13:00, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 And the draft, fine? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:06, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en Perfect 👌 A455bcd9 (talk) 14:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 You wouldn't have the same type of map for Tchad that you linked to in your drive? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:00, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: yes, Chadian Arabic (Shuwa) in Chad is here. I think that the rest of the country (besides the core areas where Shuwa is mentioned) should be hatched as Ethnologue says it's "widespread" in Chad. A455bcd9 (talk) 16:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Check everything as I have edited numbers, colors.
 * Sudan both. To me the Ethnologue maps are covering the whole of the countries, not an area, the P 194 map shows an area, which should it be I don't understand.
 * Sudan south. You are giving me too much information I don't know what to do with it. Please just give me the maps to follow and be specific, if you have the other type of maps (based on OSM) please provide them as first option for each area/country.
 * --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: looks great! 10 & 11 should be of the same color (Chadian/Shuwa Arabic). A455bcd9 (talk) 17:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, for the Sudans, I suggest:
 * Using the map p. 194 as the core area of Sudanese Arabic (apd),
 * Hatch the rest of (North) Sudan in the same color (the one of Sudanese Arabic (apd))
 * Using this map (Carte 1, p. 11) as the core area of Sudanese Creole Arabic (pga) (Arabe de Juba (arabi juba) on Carte 1)
 * Hatch the rest of South Sudan using the colors of BOTH Sudanese Arabic (apd) and Sudanese Creole Arabic (pga)
 * A455bcd9 (talk) 17:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Draft av_11-12 --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:38, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Amazing @Goran tek-en! A455bcd9 (talk) 12:59, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 I'm not sure I got those right, draft 8, 13-17 --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, it's all correct! In terms of style, when two dialects share the same area (such as 8 & 14 in Jordan, or 13 & 17 in Syria), would it be possible to hatch without seeing the background (currently there's one band of one color, one band of another color, and then one band with the background [so a "transparent band"])? [it's a detail that we can fix later if you prefer] A455bcd9 (talk) 14:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 @A455bcd9 This is something I have been thinking of also. So far (to my understanding) we have two variations when a dialect is not covering 100% of an area.
 * widely spread (10, 11)
 * mixed dialects (11-12, 13-14, 13-17)
 * is this correct?
 * If this is correct I will show the mixed areas in a different way so there is a clear difference between them, but then you will have to tell me which is widely or mixed. It's also always difficult when you have both big and small areas to be covered with the same pattern. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en 100% correct! A455bcd9 (I've just checked the remaining maps and the situation of 'mixed dialects' won't happen much, so we're almost done with the problematic areas, the rest should be simpler, or at least I hope so...) (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If this is correct I will show the mixed areas in a different way so there is a clear difference between them, but then you will have to tell me which is widely or mixed. It's also always difficult when you have both big and small areas to be covered with the same pattern. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en 100% correct! A455bcd9 (I've just checked the remaining maps and the situation of 'mixed dialects' won't happen much, so we're almost done with the problematic areas, the rest should be simpler, or at least I hope so...) (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Iraq draft and new patterns, but check all as I often have to move stuff around --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Goran tek-en: looks perfect, thanks a lot! A455bcd9 (talk) 18:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 I really don't think you could have checked everything this quickly. I ask you to really check it as finding problems later on will be so much more difficult for me to fix. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en I saw your message EXACTLY when you posted it (I was editing on Wikipedia at the same time) and directly checked the map. It took me about 15-20 minutes. I confirm that everything is correct. A455bcd9 (talk) 18:15, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Draft up to 26 --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 12:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: thanks! There are 3 issues:
 * The inset for Bahrein should not cover Iran, where there are also Arabic speakers (as we'll see later). We could put the inset in the middle of the Indian Ocean instead.
 * In Oman, the area hatched with white in the middle of the country should be plain "18". Indeed, the other language spoken in this area is "Harsusi", which is not an Arabic dialect. We only consider Arabic varieties for the purpose of this map.
 * The varieties spoken in the Musandam Governorate (Omani exclave) are Gulf Arabic (18 on your map, correct) and Shihhi Arabic. However, Shihhi Arabic doesn't appear on your map, you used Omani Arabic instead (22 on your map). So we need to add Shihhi Arabic (new variant not on the current map) and color this area accordingly.
 * Please let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, A455bcd9 (talk) 12:51, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9
 * Inset, yeah I will move it as needed when it arises.
 * I know, that is why I only have one color in it leaving the second color/dialect not visible. But if yo want it full I will change it here and in other places also, so tell me.
 * I forgot to put out a new number for that, right now country borders are about the same color as 22 but that is just for now and to help me.
 * --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:41, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 For Tajikistan map, which areas, arabic has always been green but this is confusing, tell what labels to use, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en:
 * Inset: OK, thanks.
 * Oman, hatched area: please fill up this area totally with the "18" color. No need for a hatched area here as the other language spoken in this area is not an Arabic variety. I don't think there are other areas in the current map where this situation arises.
 * Got it, thanks.
 * Tajikistan: there's only one small area on the map in the south west near Qubodiyon where "Tajiki Spoken Arabic" (abh) is spoken. It is not green on this map because the color is for "Afro-Asiatic", the family to which Arabic belongs. (they used another shade of green for Turkic on this map, but it is of no relevance to us).
 * Please let me know if you have questions. Cheers, A455bcd9 (talk) 15:24, 31 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @A455bcd9
 * I think we have the same situation in Northern Cameroon, I fully filled it.
 * North East of Nigeria, Northern Cameroon, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, you're correct, we have the same situation in Northern Cameroon: it's perfect.
 * Here's Figure 32.1 (mentioned for Djibouti, Sénégal, Kenya, and Uganda, for inspiration...) A455bcd9 (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Also @Goran tek-en: this is a detail (and if you don't want to change it, it's fine for me) but sometimes there's no border between areas (e.g., in Algeria, between 4 and 5) whereas sometimes there's a thin white border (e.g., in Chad, between 10 plain and 10 hatched; in South Sudan, between 12 plain and 12/11 hatched; in Saudi Arabia, between 13/20 hatched and 20 plain and 13 hatched): I feel like (but I'm not sure) it may be better without this white border: have you tried? A455bcd9 (talk) 20:20, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 The reason for those borders is that when there is a solid color next to a hatched (widely spread) or round pattern (mixed dialects) area I added this thin empty space (visible as a thin line) so that there are a distinction between the different types of fill. To me it's much more visible where the different areas has it boundaries, easier to view and understand the map. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:49, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * OK got it @Goran tek-en, thanks for the clarification! A455bcd9 (talk) 13:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Djibouti, what do you want me to see at this link. How do I access the page and map you are referring to? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I sent you the link above (message from 19:54, 31 October 2022 (UTC)). It's here. A455bcd9 (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en forgot to ping you, sorry. A455bcd9 (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Draft Cyprus, Central African Republic, Malta, Djibouti, Senegal, Eritrea --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en:
 * Cyprus: you colored the whole Northern Cyprus, but only a few areas have Cypriot Arabic speakers, mainly in Kormakitis, Nicosia, Limassol, and Peristerona as shown on the map. Be careful: they used green for Turkish on that map, which is confusing...
 * Central African Republic: OK
 * Malta: OK
 * Djibouti: OK
 * Senegal: I wasn't clear enough, sorry: only the Matam Region and the Saint-Louis Region should be hatched
 * Eritrea: OK
 * A455bcd9 (talk) 15:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 The areas in Cyprus is really small, new draft --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, yes it's tiny... Perfect map: we're good to go and almost done :) A455bcd9 (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Iran, there are so many different sources showing different areas and to my understanding your sources for the two different dialects overlap each other. So I would really need a clarification, as few sources as possible and just tell me which area should be which dialect, mixes etc, thanks. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Goran tek-en OK sorry, so for Iran:
 * Mesopotamian Arabic (acm)
 * Gulf Arabic (afb)
 * File:Central Asian Arabic enclaves.png:
 * "Khamse Arabs Tribe" (small area north of Shiraz): Gulf Arabic (afb)
 * Other areas in Iran (3 small areas: Arabkhane and Zir Kuh near Birjand and Sarakhs near Mashhad): Uzbeki Arabic (auz)
 * Is it clearer? A455bcd9 (talk) 11:27, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Yes, thanks. I will need the same for Turkey.
 * Drafts Kenya, Uganda, Iran. Two variations with and without "insets" (not true insets) and if you choose without I will move the number.
 * with inset
 * no inset
 * --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: Iran is perfect. For Kenya & Uganda: no inset please.
 * For Turkey: this map:
 * "Syrian dialects" (dark) = North Levantine Arabic (apc)
 * "Mesopotamian qeltu dialects" (vertical stripes) = North Mesopotamian Arabic (ayp)
 * "Shawi dialects" (light) = Mesopotamian Arabic (acm)
 * A455bcd9 (talk) 12:16, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9
 * Shuwa, The grey on this draft is what's supposed to be #10 according to this image but it overlaps hatched and other colors so I don't know what to follow, what is correct for the different parts. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, sorry I wasn't clear. This "grey" should be of the same color as "10" and plain (not hatched) because they're both Chadian Arabic, but from different sources. Do this for Niger (but don't bother for the small area where this "grey" overlaps with the Libyan Arabic strip: ignore it), Chad, Nigeria, Cameroon, and the Central African Republic. For Sudan and South Sudan I feel like it's gonna be too hard to do something nice; so let's do nothing, unless you can think of a nice way to overlap this "grey" (Baggara/Chadian Arabic) with the existing dialects in Sudan and South Sudan.
 * Let me know if you have any questions. A455bcd9 (talk) 14:51, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

A455bcd9 Two drafts for the area discussed above.
 * not changed Sudan
 * attempt Sudan, which do you preferr? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Goran tek-en: I prefer the "not changed Sudan", thanks for trying the other one though. A455bcd9 (talk) 20:55, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Which one?
 * not changed Sudan
 * second attempt Sudan --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:41, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en wow, "second attempt Sudan" is amazing! Thanks and congrats. A455bcd9 (talk) 14:48, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, there's a blue dot in the middle of the Central African Republic: I think it's a mistake, isn't it? A455bcd9 (talk) 15:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Israel and all before, check everything, thanks.
 * I didn't "fill" the parts in West bank but followed the map. If you want me to "fill" just say so, we could also make an inset if you think it's important. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's amazing. I'll take some time to review it and get back to you asap. (poke @Pathawi) A455bcd9 (talk) 15:44, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * (Thanks for the poke, .) This looks fantastic. I'll try to give this detailed review tonight & tomorrow, but at first glance this is great. This is an enormous amount of work, . Thank you. Pathawi (talk) 15:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pathawi@A455bcd9 I have started to think about the legend that you want in the information part. To my understanding we can do in at least two different ways.
 * 1 Have the 31 colors and respective dialect
 * 2 I think we could divide it in to areas/countries, like the request is and within each area have color-dialect
 * Version 2 will be longer, more information but you would have the area/country information.
 * Give me feedback or maybe you have some other version/way to organize this. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:12, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I incline toward the former. The earlier map had 26 or so "dialects", & that was already quite a lot. Listing each dialect just once, we'll have 31 here. Going country-by-country will involve a fair bit of repetition, & I think would get unwieldy. It ought to be possible to use this map as the basis for country-specific maps on pages like Languages of Egypt, & I think that might address any increase in utility that a reader would get from a country-by-country break-down. Pathawi (talk) 16:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en, I agree with @Pathawi: let's keep it simple, one dialect = one color (it's already hard enough for color blind people like me with 31 colors!).
 * Few remarks, by dialect:
 * Hassaniyya: the area near the Algerian border is actually M'Hamid El Ghizlane, so a bit more inside Morocco
 * Moroccan: Perfect ✅
 * Saharan: Perfect ✅
 * Algerian: Perfect ✅
 * Tunisian: Djerba should be colored as well (note: Ethnologue forgot to include the island in their map, they'll fix this issue in the next edition)
 * Libyan: Perfect ✅
 * Egyptian: the whole Greater Cairo (Cairo Governorate + Giza + 6th of October + Sheikh Zayed City + Shubra El Kheima + Obour (city)) should be colored as belonging to this dialect area. (Note: Ethnologue's map was unclear here.)
 * Eastern Egyptian Bedawi/Levantine Bedawi: a/ For me 7 and 8 appear as of the same color, could you please change one of these to make them more distinguishable? b/ The multiple lines pointing to the small areas along the Red Sea coast in Egypt are hard to read. What about deleting these lines and instead circling the whole area (similar to this map)?
 * Sa’idi: A/ As said above, let's exclude the whole Greater Cairo. B/ Sa’idi is also spoken in the western "band" together with Libyan, so this area should be hatched with Sa’idi & Libyan as shown on this map (was hard to understand, I missed it as well and only realized the issue now...)
 * Chadian/Shuwa/Baggara: one small area in the West of Chad is missing (see map: the "3;5" area on the left near the Niger border)
 * Sudanese: Perfect ✅
 * Juba: Perfect ✅
 * Najdi: Perfect ✅
 * South Levantine: please "fill" the map in the West Bank: west = South Levantine (14) and East = Bedawi (8). Inset not needed I think.
 * North Levantine: Perfect ✅
 * North Mesopotamian/Qeltu: Perfect ✅
 * Mesopotamian/Gilit: Perfect ✅
 * Gulf: Perfect ✅
 * Baharna: Perfect ✅
 * Hijazi: no need to add lines to the small islands in the Red Sea. One line to the Eritrean coast is enough.
 * Shihhi: Perfect ✅
 * Omani: Perfect ✅
 * Dhofari: Perfect ✅
 * Sanaani: Perfect ✅
 * Ta’izzi-Adeni: Perfect ✅
 * Hadrami: color too close to 25 for me
 * Uzbeki: Perfect ✅
 * Tajiki: Perfect ✅
 * Cypriot: Perfect ✅ (should we do an inset?)
 * Maltese: worth adding a circle around Malta? (done on many maps such as File:Anglophone World.svg)
 * Ki-Nubi: Perfect ✅
 * If possible, numbers shouldn't be on a country's border or on a dialect's border, especially:
 * 8
 * 14
 * 15
 * 16
 * 18
 * 19 (this one may be okay?)
 * 23 (we could put it in the sea as you did with 21 and 22)
 * 25
 * Besides these small corrections, it's a WONDERFUL map: thank you so much @Goran tek-en! A455bcd9 (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Other details @Goran tek-en:
 * Could we reduce the number or length of some black lines? For instance for 2/Moroccan, instead of two long lines coming from "2" we could have one long and another small connecting the small southern area to the other bigger southern area (as you did for 18)
 * The colors of 27 and 28 are too close (what about using yellow for one of them?)
 * 15 and 16 are also too similar
 * Thanks for your help! A455bcd9 (talk) 07:59, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: 11 and 20 are also too similar for me. 20 and 25 as well. (sorry, only realizing this point now...) A455bcd9 (talk) 12:13, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@A455bcd9 7,8 Egypt dialect, not sure. Greater Cario is not really defined. 9b Don't you mean it should be mixed dialects, that's what I have done. Draft all. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Goran tek-en 😍
 * 7/9: here's a map of the Cairo Governorate. This area should be in 7 (Egyptian) and not in 9 (Sa’idi) or in anything else.
 * 9b: perfect!
 * 27/28: did you increase the size of the areas by any chance between the previous draft and this one? I thought they were smaller.
 * Other than these points, it looks perfect to me. THANK YOU! A455bcd9 (talk) 20:09, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I realize that the 4 Judeo-Arabic languages recognized in the ISO standard do not appear on the map. Most (if not all) of these speakers have moved to Israel and/or switched to another language (the local Arabic dialect, or French, or English, or Italian, or Hebrew). Should we still add them? (poke @Pathawi)
 * Judeo-Moroccan Arabic	(aju): in Casablanca; it appears on the map we used as a source
 * Judeo-Yemeni Arabic (jye): in Sanaa
 * Judeo-Tripolitanian Arabic (yud): in Tripoli, Libya
 * Judeo-Iraqi Arabic (yhd): in Baghdad
 * Adding number in the sea/ocean pointing to one dot in Casablanca (32), Sanaa (33), and Tripoli (34) is probably easy. Would be harder for Baghdad though. If it's easy to add them, I would suggest to do so. Otherwise, we can forget about it. We can also have one map with Judeo-Arabic varieties and one map without. A455bcd9 (talk) 09:13, 6 November 2022 (UTC) Never mind, too complex, not significant. A455bcd9 (talk) 11:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9
 * 7/9 I don't understand, if I cover this area with 7 it will cut apart 9 like this draft with the source map in the background as oppose what your first source say? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:11, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 27/28 No, do you want me to do something? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:22, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en:
 * 7/9: You're right that coloring the whole Cairo Governorate is probably too much. For the area around Cairo, the map says "Area with multiple languages" but doesn't say which ones. I checked the source (Ethnologue) and it says that Egyptian (7) is spoken in Cairo. So I just want to make sure that on the map, this area around Cairo is in 7 and not in 9. It's maybe already the case but I don't have the whole map anymore to check.
 * 27/28: OK, no need to do anything then. All good!
 * A455bcd9 (talk) 17:39, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Draft Cairo area, OSM map in the background. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: perfect for Cairo!
 * By the way, I can't check on the map you've just sent but the western limit of Egyptian Arabic should be Alexandria (included in Egyptian) and the eastern limit is Port Said (included in Egyptian) as shown on the source (the border between Egyptian and Bedawi partially follows the Suez Canal). A455bcd9 (talk) 11:34, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9
 * Draft as above, should not the dotted area be removed from 7 according this? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No it's fine @Goran tek-en! Could you please post the whole map again so that I double check everything one last time? A455bcd9 (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 That was my intention.
 * If this is fine I will need the following;
 * Name of the file
 * Description (/language)
 * Captions/s (/language)
 * Category/ies at commons
 * Structured data/Items portrayed in this file, the Q#, to be able to upload it at commons, thanks.
 * --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 13:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Goran tek-en: looks perfect: thank you so much for your tremendous work!
 * Name of the file: Arabic Varieties Map
 * Description: Map of the geographical distribution of the various varieties of Arabic recognized by the ISO 639-3 standard, including Arabic-based creoles but excluding Judeo-Arabic languages. Sources:
 * Eberhard, David M., Gary F. Simons, and Charles D. Fennig (eds.). 2022. Ethnologue: Languages of the World. Twenty-fifth edition. Dallas, Texas: SIL International. Online version: http://www.ethnologue.com.
 * Al‐Wer, Enam; Jong, Rudolf (2017). "Dialects of Arabic". In Boberg, Charles; Nerbonne, John; Watt, Dominic (eds.). The Handbook of Dialectology. Wiley. pp. 523–534. doi:10.1002/9781118827628.ch32. ISBN 978-1-118-82755-0. OCLC 989950951.
 * Prochazka, Stephan (2018). "The Northern Fertile Crescent". In Holes, Clive (ed.). Arabic Historical Dialectology: Linguistic and Sociolinguistic Approaches. Oxford University Press. pp. 257–292. doi:10.1093/oso/9780198701378.003.0009. ISBN 978-0-19-870137-8. OCLC 1059441655.
 * Owens, Jonathan. "Manfredi, Stefano: Árabi Júba: Un pidgin-créole du Soudan du Sud. Leuven/Paris: Peeters 2017. X, 227 S. 8° = Les Langues du Monde 8. Brosch. € 28,00. ISBN 978-90-429-3504-4." Orientalistische Literaturzeitung, vol. 114, no. 3, 2019, pp. 223-227. https://doi.org/10.1515/olzg-2019-0075
 * File:Baggara belt.png
 * File:Central Asian Arabic enclaves.png
 * https://www.refworld.org/pdfid/505192fe2.pdf
 * Project, Joshua. "Bedouin, Eastern Bedawi in Israel". joshuaproject.net.
 * Legend:
 * Hassaniyya (mey)
 * Moroccan Arabic (ary)
 * Algerian Saharan Arabic (aao)
 * Algerian Arabic (arq)
 * Tunisian Arabic (aeb)
 * Libyan Arabic (ayl)
 * Egyptian Arabic (arz)
 * Eastern Egyptian Bedawi Arabic (avl)
 * Saidi Arabic (aed)
 * Chadian Arabic (shu)
 * Sudanese Arabic (apd)
 * Sudanese Creole Arabic (pga)
 * Najdi Arabic (ars)
 * South Levantine Arabic (ajp)
 * North Levantine Arabic (apc)
 * North Mesopotamian Arabic (ayp)
 * Mesopotamian Arabic (acm)
 * Gulf Arabic (afb)
 * Baharna Arabic (abv)
 * Hijazi Arabic (acw)
 * Shihhi Arabic (ssh)
 * Omani Arabic (acx)
 * Dhofari Arabic (adf)
 * Sanaani Arabic (ayn)
 * Ta'izzi-Adeni Arabic (acq)
 * Hadrami Arabic (ayh)
 * Uzbeki Arabic (auz)
 * Tajiki Arabic (abh)
 * Cypriot Arabic (acy)
 * Maltese (mlt)
 * Nubi (kcn)
 * Captions/s: Map of the varieties of Arabic
 * Category/ies at commons: Category:Linguistic maps of the Arabic language
 * Structured data/Items portrayed in this file, the Q#: Q1422423
 * A455bcd9 (talk) 15:01, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @A455bcd9 Now you can find it here Commons:file:Arabic Varieties Map.svg.
 * Please check all the information, also links for wikipedia, wikidata and structured data.
 * If you are happy with this please put the code  (without the ".") on this request so it can be archived, thanks. ✅
 * --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Amazing, thank you so much! A455bcd9 (talk) 18:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Request 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine map

 * Article(s):
 * 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, etc


 * Request:
 * At full size (2,199 × 1,478 px) the names of most smaller localities (villages and settlements) on the map are illegible. Could the map be resized to accommodate larger labels or something else? Brandmeistertalk  14:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you having difficulty reading the names even after zooming in? M.Bitton (talk) 14:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * I've downloaded the map, zoomed in and the village names are still not readable due to blurry pixelation (except larger cities and towns). AFAIK there's some technical restriction on resolution in svg images, but perhaps there's a workaround. Brandmeistertalk  15:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * When i zoom in on "Rivne Nuclear Power Plant" in North West Ukraine, this is what I see: https://imgur.com/a/5zRb6PY - everything is sharp, no blurriness and pixelation. Can you take a screenshot to compare? --Lommes (talk) 21:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Brandmeister, the SVG version seems to have no issues for me, although there may be a slight delay in resolution, but there shouldn't be any long term pixelation as its vectors, just asking, you did not accidentaly download the PNG preview? (as a webp) done that mistake a few times :D.  Dank Jae  21:38, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, appears my Firefox forces me to download the PNG version that I was looking at. Actually forgot how to handle such issues... 23:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Glad it's all sorted. M.Bitton (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)