Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop/Archive/Sep 2020

Via Giulia by Nolli
PawełMM (talk) 05:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * Via Giulia


 * Request:
 * Please rotate and crop the white edges of this map. Thanks a lot! -- Alex2006 (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Discussion:
 * ✅ - Straightened, cropped, greyscale. (Hohum @ ) 18:17, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hohum, thanks a lot! Would it be possible to rotate the picture 90 degrees counterclockwise? I would like to display it in the article in the same way as the plan of Tempesta...thanks! Alex2006 (talk) 16:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That would put the majority of text on its side, and some upside down. (Hohum @ ) 17:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You are right. Actually the real orientation of the road is NNW - SSE. I think that we have to live with it. Thanks! Alex2006 (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Montage for Revolutionary War
TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 10:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC) My best experience in over ten years on Wikipedia. GREAT collaboration and BEYOND EXPECTATIONS results. - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 10:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * American Revolutionary War


 * Request:
 * The ARW article self-described in the article top-hat: "This article is about military actions primarily." There are four agreed-to-criteria, and two related areas of interest for the collage-maker to create a ‘balanced’ result. The discussion at ARW ‘Infobox image’ is summarized as follows:
 * Talk-page agreed-to-criteria (1) a single static image, whether a one file, or a montage to load faster and less article churn from editors swapping out the images; (2) include an easily recognizable George Washington either in the single image, or featured in the montage; (3) a montage must not use images found elsewhere in the article, deprecated at wp:image mos, certainly not five-of-five in the prior montage at the article Infobox; (4) a montage must be made up of cropped images to avoid small, indistinguishable scenes. Considerations-ideally-balanced in the montage : (5) image-graphically, both (a) ‘readable' images, and (b) 'battle action scenes'. (6) historio-graphically, both (a) ‘great man’ George Washington, and (b) ‘bottom-up’ Continental infantry. Bonus : both partner-colleague editors on this page have a deep and long standing interest in naval warfare.
 * - Proposed montage: CROP THE THREE IMAGES, set up the collage template, juggle the pix-counts and proportions around to fit, recrop detail from images as required to fit.
 * - Left-half-montage = ~left-half-Redoubt#10 EL Lami - Storming of redoubt 10 during the Siege of Yorktown (1840).jpg; upper-right-half-montage = right-2/3-Washington-Monmouth BattleofMonmouth.jpg; lower-right-half-montage = right-lower-1/3-Jones-Serapis [[File:The action between the Serapis, capt. Pearson, the Countess of Scarborough, and Paul Jones’s Squadron. R.Paton - K325.jpg|50px]].
 * - With thanks in advance for whoever might step forward -- TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 14:26, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Discussion:
 * TheVirginiaHistorian, I created an adjustable mock-up of a montage below. if you could tweak it to get the output to look like the desired montage, it will make it super simple for someone to create the single image for you (could probably even just take a screenshot).  assuming the layout is how you want it, you only need to adjust the oLeft and oTop parameters to move where the image is cropped.  the cWidth and cHeight parameters adjust the width and height of the cropped images.  I wouldn't mess with the bSize parameters.  the most problematic image seems to be the lower right image since the masts of the boats are severely cropped.  Frietjes (talk) 14:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Mockup A

 * This looks very promising. I'll have to trial-and-error it for a bit.
 * - Once I've made the selected parameters, I'm still not clear about how to 'complete' the process with a saved image to a stable file that can be retrieved by a "Search Wikipedia", either at Wikipedia-English or at Wiki Commons "Search WikiCommons".?
 * So, for instance, trying to follow the instructions at the collage parameter page, I mistakenly tried creating an ARTICLE, instead of a FILE for my first image-detail trial at Storming Redoubt No. 10 - detail. Our librarian editor PamD suggested, 16:18, 29 September 2020‎ PamD "not a stub - perhaps should be a File not an article". That's what I mean, 'not clear about how to 'complete' the process'.
 * - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 17:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * TheVirginiaHistorian, once you have the layout and dimensions then someone here can create the image for you and upload it to commons. for example, PawełMM created a fantastic version at File:Revolutionary War (montage).jpg.  uploading images requires using the "upload file" link on the left side of the page, but much easier is to let someone here do that part for you :) Frietjes (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I look forward to working with PawełMM here. Thanks. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 08:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

PawełMM's proposals




I made a scalable collage. PawełMM (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for joining in to help. The flexibility in these elements is impressive. Sorry for the delay in my response, I'm also balancing time this week to shovel a runoff channel in the side yard where water pools, distributing the spoil to one side to improve drainage to my little swale. I'm using the tyned rake to let grass blades stick up through the topping soil. Big rain in the forecast, so I'll get 'feedback' on results of my efforts shortly. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 08:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Test-trial to-date

 * (a) So, somehow I've generated a wider gutter between the right two images than in mockup. I don't know if that it a problem for the next step.
 * (b) Were the images to be made into a montage-collage with the flexibility in proposals, the effective pixel-width needs to be 300 to fit in the Infobox, I think.
 * (c) However, I like the cropping in each of the three details shown here at this trial-test. (i) Yorktown Redoubt view of flags center, evening attack - sunset of the First British Empire - including cannon, Continental bayonet charge available as an offensive tactic only after Valley Forge; (ii) Washington rallying Lee's broken line at Monmouth, personal leadership under fire by example, but also men of different units thrown together could make a formation and march in step into battle for musket volleys after von Steuben gave all regiments uniform drill, a standard length of step and pace; (iii) Capture of the HMS Serapis, French-gifted Bonhomme Richard, John Paul Jones commanding, had drilled, proficient gunners, and Jones risked Marine flint-lock sharpshooters in the tarred rigging perhaps setting fire to the sails on the chance to clear the officers and gunners off the top deck of the British frigate. Also, I am a great fan of 19th century art moon-moonlight-in-the-clouds.
 * - Your (both) help is greatly appreciated. - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 10:26, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * TheVirginiaHistorian, I adjusted your example. the height of the left image should equal the sum of the heights of the right images.  also, CSS image crop will add whitespace if the cropped region goes over the boundary of the image.  for a base width of 640, the base height is 438.  so, if you offset the top by 20, then the maximum you will get for the height is 438-20=418.  hence, making the height 450 created 450-418 pixels of whitespace.  of course, the table rendering adds some white lines between the images, so depending on if you want the white lines there, you would need to add or subtract a few pixels.  this exercise is to get something that's really close and then someone with an image editor can make the final version. Frietjes (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * TheVirginiaHistorian, by the way, the final static image should probably be a bit larger than the desired 300px. the browser is smart enough to scale it to fit and you always want to be scaling smaller, rather than larger.  having something that is a bit larger gives you the flexibility to increase it later, but if you made it too small, you would need to remake the image to avoid getting something that's poor quality in the rendered result. Frietjes (talk) 15:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I made a scalable jpg image compatible with the proposed design. You can resize it according to where you want to place it. This is more convenient than generating the collage with the code applied as it was done. PawełMM (talk) 06:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I've just returned to this. It looks great! let me try to copy-paste it into the ARW Infobox. - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * At the American Revolutionary War post here, ✅ at the ARW Infobox. I identified the edit as “Infobox collaborative collage with ”.
 * I also posted a report of our three-editor collaboration here at ARW Infobox image & six (6) options for discussion.
 * - Sincere thanks to you both,  and . I believe this collage will be very successful there.  - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 17:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , please, ONE MORE THING, one last favor on behalf of colleague-partner for enlarged clarity and focus. Would you switch out the existing PawełMM-published collage-cropping of Continentals-at-Redoubt-10, for the somewhat magnified, right-shifted & flags-centered image-crop in the three-image post by  above? Thanks in advance - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 04:49, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I did not fully understand your request. Which of the ships and what fragment of the image should remain visible on the collage? Do you want to change only the bottom-right part of the collage? PawełMM (talk) 11:37, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I misunderstood and therefore deleted the previous entry now. Done as requested. PawełMM (talk) 21:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Many, many thanks. That's GREAT! - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 21:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 10:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC) My best experience in over ten years on Wikipedia. GREAT collaboration and BEYOND EXPECTATIONS results. - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 10:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

How to crop for an Infobox or article image?
TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 10:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC) thanks, at the collage request above. - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 10:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Article(s):
 * American Revolutionary War


 * Request:
 * (1) I am trying to crop an image file for use in an Infobox; (2) I’d also like to learn how to crop images without reducing the entire image to fit article text.


 * My trial code is:
 * - An attempt at placing the code into the Infobox format at American Revolutionary War succeeds in rendering the intended detail. But it fails because the image spreads the detail to the IMAGE BASE SIZE of 1284px, even though the Infobox image parameter is set to 300px. I then tried adding a ‘size=300’ inside the CSS image crop template, but it too failed.
 * - Any assistance would be appreciated. -- TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Discussion:
 * TheVirginiaHistorian, if you want the resulting image to be 300px wide, you need to scale all your numbers so that cWidth is 300. so, multiply all by (300/780). Frietjes (talk) 14:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I spent some time trial-and-error on the one Redoubt-image, yielding this trial that seems to work (without the sharpness of your scalable collage):


 * LOTS of trial-and-error in that attempt. Is that usual for the novice? and it is NOT crisp. More later as I noodle along. Thanks ... - TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 17:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Mary Dee

 * Article(s):
 * Mary Dee


 * Request:
 * Can you flip the image so that it is horizontal and the recrop it so that only the photograph is in the image? Thanks! -- SusunW (talk) 19:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

✅ PawełMM (talk) 20:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * Thanks ! As always, I much appreciate your help. resolved SusunW (talk) 20:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Request: Niki de Saint Phalle

 * Article(s):
 * Niki de Saint Phalle


 * Request:
 * Please remove white scratches in her face and hair, if possible. Vysotsky (talk) 12:36, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

✅ PawełMM (talk) 15:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Discussion:
 * Thanks! Vysotsky (talk) 15:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC) resolved