Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 November 30

= November 30 =

Indicating that an article section is linked from another article
What is the name of the template that produces a hidden comment to indicate that a section title in one article has an incoming link from another article? I am sure that I encountered it before, but now I just can't seem to find it. –B LACK F ALCON  (T ALK ) 03:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You can just manually type something like the following:
 * or something like that. There is likely a template, but in a pinch, you can always do anything like this manually.  -- Jayron  32  04:38, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * or something like that. There is likely a template, but in a pinch, you can always do anything like this manually.  -- Jayron  32  04:38, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If I'm not mistaken, your suggestion is very close to the actual wording of the template. :-) In the end, you're right that it's always possible to do this manually; after all, once the template is substed, there won't be a noticeable difference (except maybe in the wording, which is not critical). Thanks, –B LACK F ALCON  (T ALK ) 04:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you possibly thinking of the Anchor template? Jan 1 naD  (talk • contrib) 10:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have not seen a template for this purpose. Help:Section mentions the possibility: "Put a comment in the wikitext at the start of a section listing pages that link to the section". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

How to Unlink a Page
I am trying to expand the article on simultanagnosia, but someone has already linked that title to the page on agnosia. I'm not sure how to unlink this so that when a person clicks on simultanagnosia, he is directed to a new (different) page dedicated solely to that topic rather than being led to the page on agnosia, which lists various different types. What do I need to edit in the page on agnosia? Thank you!Achan222 (talk) 04:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Edit this page to remove the redirect code and add your text. You are probably better off creating your text in a subpage first, such as User:Achan222/Sandbox, so you can work on it over time without fear of deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 04:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for start class
How can I nominate an artical, specificaly Labeoninae for Start Class?--HighFlyingFish (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Start class is basically any article longer than a stub, but too poor a quality to qualify for any other class. You don't nominate that class, you just assign it yourself.  Indeed, if I am not mistaken, as long as you apply the class criteria in good faith, stub, start, C, and B are all assigned pretty liberally.  Its only GA, A, and FA class which require extensive review.  Some projects may require independent review for B class as well, but I am not sure on that.  As far as "start" class goes, go ahead and just make an article start class.  -- Jayron  32  04:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) For Start-class, you can just change the class yourself. Many of the article classes are used primarily for internal tracking purposes and can be updated without a formal nomination. The exceptions to this rule are "GA-class", "FA-class", and "FL-class". Also, some independent peer review is needed for "A-class" rating and (sometimes) "B-Class". For the article Labeoninae, you can update the class yourself or contact one of the two WikiProjects listed on the talk page. I hope that helps. Cheers, –B LACK F ALCON  (T ALK ) 04:50, 30November 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou, the artical grew to C class by now.--HighFlyingFish (talk) 05:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Old Persian trouble?
I hope this IS the right place...I'm at a loss to determine where to ask.
 * a) How do I get my computer to display Old persian characters? When I am on pages that have them, in either Firefox, Chrome or Opera, the chars just blank... and that's after I loaded and installed fonts for such characters AND restarted the computer.
 * b).Is there an actual problem with the Old Persian Cuneiform page? whenever I try to call it up on Firefox, it causes the bowser to completely seize up (no other page ever did that to my firefox, and Opera has no trouble with the page either, beside the blank characters)

(Well, ok, Sumerian Cuneiform seems to do it too)... is there something with pages with "cuneiform" in their names?) --Svartalf (talk) 10:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, I have no issues in Firefox with either Old Persian cuneiform or Sumerian cuneiform. I also do not have the correct fonts installed to be able to have the page render correctly.  Dismas |(talk) 10:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

?????????
Can anyone please tell me how I can MAKE a page about something.

--Moritz1997s (talk) 14:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)Moritz


 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article. You might also look at How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a stupid question
Hi, came across this page when i was trying to find some sources for a new article: http://www.warsearch.com/topic/South_East_Radio - the page seems to display up-to-the-minute, accurate wikipedia articles - are they allowed to? Cheers Darigan (talk) 14:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, so long as they give credit and keep the content properly licensed. Wikipedia encourages reuse. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * They seem to be using it within those guidelines, thanks Moonriddengirl ;-) Darigan (talk) 15:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like disallowed remote loading to me. The page says "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" but only because it's part of the remote load. They don't link to the original page or mention the license as required. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. :/ I see they're already listed at Mirrors and forks/Vwxyz. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Uploading Images not showing up
Hi, I've uploaded an image to the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveh_Zahedi twice now and it still has not shown up. What is typical wait time for these images to show up. The first upload was over two weeks ago. Thanks, Caveh Z. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cavehzahedi (talk • contribs) 16:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Special:Contributions/Cavehzahedi shows you have uploaded File:CavehZahediBathtub.jpg and File:CavehZahediBathtub.jpg but I see no attempt to add an image to the article Caveh Zahedi. If you want an image in the infobox to the right then click "edit this page" and change  to an uploaded file name. If you want am image outside the infobox then see Images. Your edits to the article appear uncontroversial but also check out Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I see your upload pages say: This is a picture of Caveh Zahedi. The still was the cover image to the DVD of "In the Bathtub of the World" a film made by Zahedi. It should be in the article "Caveh Zahedi"'. An uploaded image is added to an article by editing the article and the image appears immediately. Cover art often has a copyright which doesn't allow use in a biography, and rights to a photograph often belongs to the photographer or his employer and not the subject. Did you take the image of yourself? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Upload an image
I'm not an autoconfirmed user and want to upload a picture. I have permission from the non-profit which has rights to it to upload it for a particular article, not necessarily WikiCommons. How do I go about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BBB2 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Depends what the image is and the purpose for which it will be used. If it is their logo, it can be uploaded and used without permission per WP:LOGO. If it is some other image and it does not meet any of the non-free use criteria then permission will be required. Permission for use in a particular article will not generally be sufficient however - see WP:CONSENT. – ukexpat (talk) 19:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Requests for feedback
Any of the Help desk regulars able to spend a little time helping out here? There is a small backlog. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 19:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

How do I get my Foundation a Wikipedia page?
I work for the International Community Foundation and have been asked about getting a Wikipedia page up and running for those interested in learning more about us. How can we go about get one??? Blueocean1910 (talk) 19:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)




 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article. You might also look at How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article. – ukexpat (talk) 20:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you read Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines and Wikipedia's Guidelines on the Notability of Organisations and Companies? Does it meet the criteria given there? --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 20:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Please also see our guideline on conflicts of interest and read our FAQ for organizations, ensure that you understand the first of these links to its uttermost, and if you're confident that the article will be appropriate feel free to create it. Kind regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 20:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you've probably had enough advice already, but one more link for you – an essay entitled "Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause". BencherliteTalk 20:39, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Reliable source?
I am trying to use as a source in an article, but it is being reverted saying it is not reliable. I asked for them to mark it with Template:vc if they think it's not reliable, but they just reverted it again. What can I do in this case? --Zeno McDohl (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Read WP:RS and accept consensus. That is not a reliable source by any stretch. Its a two-person blog site. Further, it was also reverted for being irrelevant and undue claim of "controversy" that violates WP:BLP. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 21:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Consensus? I do not think 2 people who have a conflict of interest over this matter count as a "consensus". Nor does the number of people who run a site make it any less or more reliable. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 22:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * What COI? Being experienced editors who know what a reliable source is or something? And yes, it does make it "more or less" reliable when both editors are basically fans not actual experts. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 22:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You both have at the least attended the con, that says to me you both favor it and it creates a COI. I came here for a neutral point of view. If I wanted to discuss it with you, I would have used your talk page. But you reverted the edit without even attempting a discussion, so it is clear to me you have no desire to discuss it. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 23:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ROFLMAO. I have never attended that or any other convention, thanks! Can't speak for the other editor, but FYI, attending a convention does not create a WP:COI in any reasonable sense at all, unless of course you being a non-attender (presuming) somehow also says that you do not favor it and therefore also have a COI. If you are going to come here for a "neutral" opinion then tell outright lies about the editors who reverted you, I'm inclined to question what your real motive is here. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 23:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You both have at the least attended the con, that says to me you both favor it and it creates a COI. Know we know that you are simply making stuff up as I've never been to AX, never stated being at AX, never stated any interests of attending AX, and probably never will attend AX do to the expense and distance. Otakon is much, much closer and I have yet to attend that convention either. I'll also point out that only Animenews.biz has reported about an internal petition for a no confidence vote. But neither ANN, Mania.com, or any other reliable source has repeated the report. Mostly likely because this kind of "con drama" is fairly common, especially for the SPJA which has more drama then most other conventions. Also, Animenews.biz is only a year old with no industry backing or acknowledgment and only two people working on the site. And given your attempt an ad hominem against two editors who have reverted your unreliably sourced information, I have to question what your true motives are in adding this to the article. —Farix (t &#124; c) 00:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * So this weekend is Anime Expo weekend. ... On the whole, though, not nearly as exciting as I remember things being from last year. Posted by Collectonian in General at 18:26 Attended or not, still clearly a COI. Still looking for neutral parties. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 00:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * So lets see. You are taking a post on a personal website from 2005 (before I even began really editing Wikipedia) in response to the LICENSING ANNOUNCEMENTS as a claim for COI? That is such a stretch its beyond ludicrous. There is no COI at all here and your stalking me in such a manner is rather disturbing. The only one with a COI seems to be you for your performing such actions and claiming those who object are somehow not neutral in the matter. Again, the source is not reliable per Wikipedia guidelines nor was your addition noteworthy not valid. You are getting responses from neutral parties, whether you like them or not. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 00:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * First, you do realize that no one has a trademark on their internet handles. Mine is actually used by a half dozen others. So are you really sure that the "Collectonian" that you are quoting is Collectonian? But it still doesn't prove that there is a conflict of interest as attending the convention doesn't create one. —Farix (t &#124; c) 00:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ludicrous? Your attitude toward me is ludicrous. First you accuse me of ulterior motives and then you call me a stalker because I spent 3 seconds using Google. Continue attacking me all you want, you clearly have a COI if you're getting this upset. TheFarix: It's the same person, the site had a link to their Wiki user page. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 01:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I do not have a COI. I could care less about Anime Expo, or really your whole COI/searching BS for that matter. The only reason the Anime Expo it is even on my watch list was because I responded to a recent issue there. Noticed your edit, checked the "source" and reverted appropriately. Thus far, not a single person has spoken up to claim it is a reliable source, because it is not. That you are so determined to discredit anyone who disagrees with you, and are trying to claim that anyone who dared to talk about it shows the actual potential COI here. By your reasoning above, you are a COI on every anime article you've ever edited by declaring yourself an anime fan. Especially InuYasha and Bleach, I mean you run an InuYasha/Bleach facebook game (and yea, you aren't the only one who can Google a name)! So you must have a COI on all InuYasha related topics, right? Oh wait, do you breath? By your reasoning, you have a COI on air too, and human because you are one. Do really you not see how absolutely ridiculous your argument is? And, for the record, you haven't upset me at all. You are some no name nobody represented by pixels on a screen. You Googled me, so what? I was being facetious in calling it stalking. Basically you made up an excuse to try to claim my revert was invalid or non-neutral, then hunted for some BS "evidence" to make it so. I make it no secret that I have a life. Most people do and being a Wikipedia editor does not somehow mean you must stop living. I'm more amused at the inanity of your whole argument more than anything. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 01:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * You are some no name nobody represented by pixels on a screen Thanks, needed that laugh. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 01:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Import a picture from the German Wikipedia
I would like to import a picture from the German Wikipedia It was published under the Creative commons license. Here is the picture: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Schuelerrudern_1959.jpg&filetimestamp=20080401100832 I would like to include it into the article Gymnasium (Germany). Could you help me with that?--212.201.82.9 (talk) 21:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The image is actually on Commons at commons:File:Schuelerrudern 1959.jpg so you can use the image syntax described at WP:IMAGE to add it to the En Wikipedia article. Let me know if you need further help. – ukexpat (talk) 22:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Let me give it a try Schuelerrudern 1959.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.201.82.9 (talk) 22:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * thumb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.201.82.9 (talk) 22:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * thumb--212.201.82.9 (talk) 22:09, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's way to big. Is there a way I can get it smaller? "thumb" does not work.--212.201.82.9 (talk) 22:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * and is there a way I can find out if http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Wanderrudern_1959.jpg&filetimestamp=20080401094648 is also at the commons?--212.201.82.9 (talk) 22:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I fixed it for you - the correct code is Schuelerrudern 1959.jpg (and "coloned out" the other experiments!). And yes the second image is on Commons too -- look at the image page and it says "This file is from Wikimedia Commons and may be used by other projects. The description on its file description page there is shown below". It's here: commons:File:Wanderrudern 1959.jpg. – ukexpat (talk) 22:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Let me try again: Wanderrudern 1959.jpg.--212.201.82.9 (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. It actually works! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.201.82.9 (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You doubted me? I'm hurt! – ukexpat (talk) 22:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Ralph Cupper
Dear Sir/Madam. I sent a formal complaint to your help desk 2 days ago with regard to the deletion of the side I wrote on behalf of the concert organist Ralph Cupper. As I said in my initial correspondence, I was quite surprised to find out that the side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Cupper was deleated with the Code A7 attached to it, which seems to mean irrelevant information. I would like to have this side reinstated if possible because Ralph Cupper has functioned as a Concert Organist since 1976 as it quite well known in several Countries. In addition to this he is in Who's who in International Music and has several references to his work in Wikipedia in other languages.

If you could reply to my request, I would be extremely grateful.

Yours sincerely,

Karin Smith. Personal Secretary to Ralph Cupper. e mail: - —Preceding unsigned comment added by KarCup (talk • contribs) 22:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Please read our conflict of interest guidelines. It's generally inappropriate of you, as a person's agent, to be editing a Wikipedia article about that person.  If Mr Cupper is as important as you claim, then no doubt someone else, someone unrelated to Mr Cupper who can describe him and his works from a neutral perspective will, at some point, create an article on him. In addition, we insist that articles on people meet the standards of notability determined here. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 22:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I copied the answers of 2 days ago to the editors talks page. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 00:12, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted that according to the original version of User talk:KarCup, she is also Cupper's wife. I've templated her about conflict of interest. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  02:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Creating a Page
So basically no page can be written by anyone affilliated with an Organization or whatever the topic of the page is, the Organization would have to find some random person interested in writing about their Foundation to get a page published on Wikipedia--is this correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueocean1910 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Pretty much. See WP:COI and WP:ADVERT. If the organization is notable, it is likely to be created by a neutral editor at some point. If an organization is absolutely certain their organization is notable by Wikipedia standards and can point to third-party, reliable sources per WP:ORG and WP:RS, you could either post a request at Reward board for someone to create and article, or suggest it at Requested articles or Articles for creation.-- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 23:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)