Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2018 April 16

= April 16 =

Wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle
Ref number 37  is in red. Please fix if able. Thanks 175.33.22.145 (talk) 00:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * . Was a spelling mistake in the reference NZFC  (talk) 00:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

italicize a book title in name of article
Hello. I created an article this morning about a book on the making of the film Citizen Kane:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane:_A_Filmmaker%27s_Journey

When creating this article, I forgot to italicize the title of the book in the name of the article. Is there a way to italicize the article name at this point, or does the page have to be moved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osl2015 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't try to italicize in the page name itself. It doesn't work but just displays the code. I have added italic title.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Citizen_Kane:_A_Filmmaker%27s_Journey&diff=836648607&oldid=836608287] Infobox book would have added it automatically. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion question
Speedy deletion. Hi, I am trying to create a page for Françoise Doherty (and The Girl Bunnies series), Canadian filmmaker, LGBTQ activist and it was sent directly for speedy deletion. The old page was orphaned. The new page is directly from a journal entry and other sources. The artist in question is sourced in many areas. How do I write for someone who was previously deleted. The info is similar because the person/collective is the same. There are many sources, I've listed 4 below. Any help would be great. Thanks.

Examples of sources: Author: MacLeod, Kirsteen (January/February 2017). "Filmmakers.". Kingston Life Magazine: p.20. http://eedition.kingstonlife.ca/doc/kingston-life/kingston-life-january-2017/2017011201/#20

NBC News San Francisco: (Mentions her Film series The Girl Bunnies. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/entertainment/San-Francisco-Transgender-Film-Festival-340014972.html

Awards Announced for Francoise Doherty: http://montrealgazette.com/entertainment/movies/imagenation-awards-announced

Interview with XTRA Magazine: https://www.dailyxtra.com/francoise-doherty-25876  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lforets (talk • contribs) 00:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's usually better to write an article as a Draft, and then move to be an Article when it is ready. See WP:YFA for how to write an article, and use the Wizard there to create the draft.   Not sure what you mean by "directly from the journal", but you can't just copy things into Wikipedia, due to copyright.   RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like the article was moved to Draft at Draft:Françoise Doherty so you can work on that. RudolfRed (talk) 01:35, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Portal:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant & Portal:ISIL
Hi, can someone with WP:AWB or another automated tool remove Portal:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and Portal:ISIL from all the pages it is present on? The portals were recently deleted via Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 2. The usual unlink tool doesn't work and there's over 100 transclusions. Cheers —   IVORK  Discuss 01:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find a more appropriate place to put an "edit request" of this nature, if there is one can someone either replicate it there or let me know, thanks —   IVORK  Discuss 01:54, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Succulents
Hello, My name is not Turner. I am writing to you concerning the succulent article that I edited. My colleague Morgan had given me life changing information that everyone needed to know. Semen IS in fact involved in the succulent species. The suck my butt thing, was, in fact, a complete joke. But I couldn't help myself I'm sorry its how I was born. Semen flows through the succulents mitochondria. The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. Therefore semen IS in fact important to the succulent plant life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotTurner159 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hahaha what Alex of Canada (talk) 04:21, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

osey hitman ir yamin
could you think about road humps because the soun of the moter bikes is so bad it is frightening thank yiu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.157.85.12 (talk) 08:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? That is the only subject that is on-topic on this page. --ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Redirect and rename issue
Hi, an editor dropped by an article I created and drew up, and s/he renamed it. A redirect was created, and now I am trying to revert it to its original name without success, since End of Basque fueros in Spain where it stays now has an (empty) page (link above). Could you please help? Iñaki LL (talk) 13:16, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have moved it back to the stable title End of Basque home rule in Spain. It requires an administrator to move over a redirect with a page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:21, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Tech problem in history pages
I have found two technical problems in the history pages of two articles I edited. The articles are:
 * Devil as of 15:44, 17 March 2009, section Jehovah as the Devil and revisions of that section.
 * God as the Devil as of 17:24, 21 March 2009 and revisions of that article.

The problems are:
 * Ampersands that are part of HTML character codes have been replaced with the character codes for ampersands, so that the history pages shows the original code instead of the intended character. For example, "&#133;" has been replaced with "&amp;amp;#133;", so that the page shows the code instead of the intended ellipsis. I see that these character codes no longer work. They should be replaced with the correct modern codes in order for the history pages to correctly present the content of the original pages.
 * In the God as the Devil article, section Opposition, the illustration of the Cathari is much larger than it originally appeared.

These problems did not exist when the edits were first made, so the history pages do not accurately present the correct history of the pages. Can they be fixed?

Thank you. -- WagePeace (talk) 16:13, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Old revisions always show what the code would produce today. This is unlikely to change for multiple reasons. One of them is that editors may revert to the version but they should know how it looks now. The old rendering is not saved and it would be difficult for the software to figure out how it was rendered long ago. In some cases it would also produce problems with images and templates changed for legal reasons like copyright violations. The current version of templates and images is used. The page had no code to specify image size so the full image File:Cathars expelled.JPG is displayed. The size was 204 × 208 at the time but the current version is 955 × 1,000. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:58, 16 April 2018 (UTC)


 * But is that correct? The current HTML of the history pages is not the same as the originals. The ampersands have been converted to "&amp;amp;". The originals were not like that. So was there some process at sometime under which all old pages had their ampersands changed to "&amp;amp;"? -- WagePeace (talk) 00:58, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Our software MediaWiki transforms wiki source to html, sometimes with help from other programs. This process is often called to render the page. The details of the transformation can change with new software versions, e.g. to follow a new html or character standard. I'm not big on character standards but maybe  became a disallowed number in the used standard at some time so the software started transforming it to html which displays the code itself instead of sending a disallowed character code to the user's browser. Or maybe it was always disallowed and the software became stricter. Every time a page is rendered, the old html is overwritten and not stored, e.g. after every edit to the page. Any change of the wiki source itself will be in an edit in the page history whether by a human or bot. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=God_as_the_devil&diff=next&oldid=694193048 Here] is an editor changing   to  . I don't know whether there has been a bot making this change systematically. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:26, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The valid number code for an ellipsis is  in decimal which produces &#8230;, or   in hexadecimal which produces &#x2026; But MOS:ELLIPSIS says to write three unspaced dots ... PrimeHunter (talk) 10:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your very complete explanation of what's going on in both problems. It's lame that Wikipedia has depricated the old HTML codes that still work in modern browsers that are backward compatible with those codes. I just tested  in the latest Firefox and IE and it is rendered as an ellipsis. But Wikipedia has chosen to break old history pages that were written correctly according the standards extant at the time, which seems to me to be a bad policy. Also, the Wikipedia page on ellipsis that you linked to doesn't say anything about the old code for it, which would be a good idea, including stating that current browsers continue to render the old code correctly. So I disagree with how Wikipedia is handling these old codes in its history pages and in its articles about characters, but I thank you for explaining the situation. -- WagePeace (talk) 12:49, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia uses UTF-8. Our html says  UTF-8 may be relevant. If we let the user browser try to render invalid UTF-8 characters then editors with browsers where they work may not spot and fix them, while they fail for other users or may even exploit security holes. Rendering of old revisions is low priority. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * After code 128, the whole character space is codeset dependent (unicode and thus UTF-8 are not backwards compatible with it), so the only thing you can do is 'guess' if the character should map to Windows extended or Mac extended or something completely different. It can be: á, Ö, IBM next line (CR+LF) and many things more. It's therefore probably better if people replace them indeed, instead of making the computers guess.
 * We have not chosen to break this, we have chosen to go from old dated technology to newer standards, which are more precise and international and most importantly, avoid such problems forever. As a side effect of this, that will cause a minor degradation in how content render, but that is acceptable. We don't even render pages with the template code that we used back then either. I also wonder how you would be able to determine that "These problems did not exist when the edits were first made". I wouldn't be so sure about that, as we have been on unicode since 2006'ish i think. But it might be that we accepted older codes for a while longer back then. We might not have had validators for entities in place until quite a bit later. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 13:57, 18 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The way I know the problems did not exist when the edits were made is because I made the edits. I previewed the pages before posting. They rendered properly, both in the previews and upon posting, and there were no warnings that anything improper was being used in the pages. PrimeHunter linked above to a page that fixed the problem in the live (i.e., non-history) page in 2015, which suggests that the problem first arose visibly some time before that.
 * I agree this issue does not deserve a high priority. It's not a big deal, and I appreciate now understanding the cause. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WagePeace (talk • contribs) 15:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It displayed correctly in your browser. You don't know whether it displayed the same in all browsers, other software and printers, or whether it would do that today. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:54, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

2018-19 NBA Transactions Article
Can you fix the 2018-19 NBA Transactions article please can you fix it from red to blue please do it right now. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:8593:4DD7:47CA:9453 (talk) 17:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)


 * There is no article 2018-19 NBA Transactions, and no articles have red links to it. If you want anything doing "right now", register an account and do it yourself. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:14, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * After some searching I found Draft:List of 2018-19 NBA season transactions. It has multiple differences from the name you wrote. Please link any page you post about. I guess you made the page but you had another IP address at the time. It was submitted for review yesterday and the box at the bottom says "This may take 8 weeks or more". If you make an account then you can create articles directly. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:42, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Want to add/edit etc my fathers Wikipedia site....DANE LUSSIER, screenwriter
I need help/instruction on how to update/edit/add to info incl a photo of my fathers info on Wikipedia. Am a bit confused on how to. I do not as yet have an account. Please contact me to instruct. Thank you very much. Dane Lussier II [contact info redacted] Need to update like my brother Dennis Lussier aka Deke Richards now deceased. Add dadss 2nd son (me), add photo of dad and misc genrl info.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1805:8332:0:2D5C:67C8:B9DE (talk) 18:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Adding a picture is hard, because we are forced to ask a bunch of questions, etc, to try to adhere to copyright law. Sorry. Basically: create an account, make a few etids, and then upload your picture to wikicommons. Its easiest if you use a picture that you took yourself, since you then have clear ownership of the copyright. For such a picutre, you simply assert copyright ownership and licence the picture to us (and to everyone) using the CC-BY-SA license. After you upload to wikicommons, just add the name of the picture file to the infobox in the article. -Arch dude (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You can edit the article yourself, but since you are associated with the subject it's better to add the info on its talk page and ask someone else to add it to the article fo you. Please provide a reference to a published source (WP:RS). -Arch dude (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Suggested updates in Talk section as a COI
Hi - My co-worker suggested updates in the talk section of Carbon (company) Wikipedia page in May 2017 and there still have been no updates to the page. Is it possible to somehow expedite this process? I've done quite a bit of research, but haven't seen anything substantive. Please let me know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.155.23.250 (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * We have five million articles and many talk pages are rarely viewed. Conflict of interest says:


 * you may propose changes on talk pages (by using the template), or by posting a note at the COI noticeboard, so that they can be peer reviewed;
 * I have added to Talk:Carbon (company) so it now appears in Category:Requested edits. The oldest request currently there is two weeks. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:30, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Bullet point problem
At Capitalization, there are two bullets before the point beginning with "Most brand names and trademarks are capitalized". The two paragraphs before also have two bullets, but only one is displayed there. So why does this deviation occur with the third item?--Kohlscheid (talk) 19:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Because the presence of the image broke the list markup, which I just fixed. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 19:38, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

CSD G4 for page speedily deleted via AFD?
The article Abdul Quadir Amin was recently created. The actor has two minor credits in notable films, so I thought it best to avoid CSD and use PROD since there is some potential claim for notability. The Prod message notes that the article had previously gone to AFD at Articles for deletion/Abdul Quadir Amin, but nomination there just resulted in an early speedy deletion. Does this article qualify for speedy under CSD G4? MarginalCost (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, your question is a potential RFA question to any candidate you want to publicly embarass; one reason probably it has gone unanswered till now :D


 * Here's my take. If we assume that the previous Afd is to be considered as a valid discussion, then your current Prod is invalid, as Prods cannot be applied on any article that has undergone a previous Afd, and the G4 would be valid. But, in my opinion and reading, the previous Afd can be ignored, because the editors there simply converted the discussion into a speedy nomination. This implies that the G4 would be an invalid tag, and the current Prod would be a valid tag.


 * In other words, I hope I've nailed the answer to your RfA query and you !vote Support whenever you see my name in any discussion :) If you need any further assistance, do ask again (there's a limit of two questions per editor in an RfA; thankfully, that's not the case here at the Help desk). Have fun with the prod nomination. Thanks, L0URDES  23:04, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Given that neither of the films that this "actor" was supposed to have appeared it actually credit them, and their article itself claims "uncredited", I have deleted it as A7. Black Kite (talk) 23:12, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Anthony Braxton
how to log in or get an account? for Anthony Braxton discography, add Anthony Braxton/Stewart Gillmor Duo. "14 COmpositions (Traditional) 1996. Leo Records, 1998, London. CD LR259 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18B:8300:3534:B9A9:774E:5527:8109 (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:ACCOUNT, there is a link there to create an account. If there is an article that needs improving, you can make a suggestion on that article's talk page, or Be Bold and fix it.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:10, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Places that need photos
Hi all,

My question concerns photos. I'd enjoy going out and taking photos for adding to wikipedia articles. I've looked at the photo request boards and checked out photo requested, but I kind of want to see "all articles that have co-ordinates, and whose co-ordinates are within, say, 15 miles of these co-ordinates" - is there a tool that provides this? I feel like there is, but am struggling to find it.

(Even better, of course, would be 'all articles that have co-ordinates within 15 miles and don't have pictures)

Joereddington (talk) 22:01, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It doesn't include all articles with coordinates but there is a category system at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs by location. Look for "Map all coordinates", e.g. in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Wales. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:36, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Excellent, exactly what I was looking for, thanks Joe (talk) 23:29, 16 April 2018 (UTC)