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Australian Pygmy race
I cannot find anything about the Australian Pygmy race. I have three pages of facts I can email to you. I am 85 and not capable of investigation. How do I send three images of written history pages with two photographs of extinct Australian pygmies?

Whenever Australian Aborigines are written about there is no mention of the extinct Australian pygmies. I have images of three of 24 pages of written history I can send to you. Excalibur1234567890 (talk) 06:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @excalibur1234567890: sorry, this is the wikipedia help desk, where we help editors with questions about editing. you will need to ask who you intended to ask. lettherebedarklight晚安 06:38, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Excalibur1234567890 Welcome to Wikipedia. I assume you'd like WP to have some content on this topic. It would seem to fit under Indigenous Australians, where I see there is one source that per title mentions Australian pygmies, but I can't tell if it's actually used for anything in the article text. Ping to @Austronesier and @HiLo48, in the hope that you know something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:50, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The Australian Museum says the "Australian pygmy people" is a myth. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems like a decent source, and makes me think that the WP:NPOV way to include it in Indigenous Australians is to not include it. May be possible to make a Talgai Skull style (ish) article about it as an outdated theory (perhaps there are some on-WP lists or categories for such things). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a difficult and controversial area. That source you found is from Keith Windschuttle, an Australian historian who now edits the conservative journal Quadrant. There is a certain slant to his work. He argues that the Stolen generations is a myth, and that the White Australia Policy wasn't really all that racist. Before he was editor of Quadrant, the paper you found reference to was published in it, in 2002. In brief, it claims that there was a pygmy race in Australia, and that the ancestors of current Aboriginal people largely replaced them. This, of course, allows those opposing land rights claims to say that the current Aboriginal people were not the first owners, and thus deserve nothing. Windschuttle's is not a common view today. It's very hard to find any other research with a similar conclusion. Indeed, it seems impossible to find anything at all about Windschuttle's claimed co-author, Tim Gillin. I don't know how this helps our enquirer. Nor do I know how we can handle the "24 pages of written history" he says he has. HiLo48 (talk) 07:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

New page
Hello,

at the beginning of March I created a sample page of prominent NGO organization in Bulgaria Trust for social achievement, which is still not published. How can I make it public and what other changes should I apply? Ilinastoyanova (talk) 08:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ilinastoyanova Assuming this is about User:Ilinastoyanova/Sample page. There are several problems here, one of the minor is that a page like that will not be automatically published, you have to actually submit it, see So_you_made_a_userspace_draft.
 * However, submitting at this point would be pointless, see WP:N, WP:NORG and WP:BACKWARD. No acceptable sources, no WP-article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikiproject for NPOVs in articles similar to Guild of Copy Editors?
Hi. Is there a Wikiproject for articles that need NPOVs like the Guild of Copy Editors? Imbluey2 (talk) 13:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * There is Category:Wikipedia neutral point of view disputes. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 13:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Welcome. There is WikiProject_NPOV but apparently it is no longer active.  You can browse at WikiProject_Council/Directory to see if there is something else that is related that you are interested in.  RudolfRed (talk) 15:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Why can´t the people influenced by an economist be seen on their page
See John Maynard Keynes, or Friedrich von Hayek or anyone, it will not list the people that they influenced, but it will show the people that influenced them. StrongALPHA (talk) 14:24, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Have you discussed this at the Talk pages for either article to see whether it's come up before? If not, it might be worth asking, but I could speculate that this information was considered trivial or that there tended to be issues with sourcing or original research. Hope this is helpful! DonIago (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Millions of people have been influenced by Keynes, though most might not realize it. See John_Maynard_Keynes Shantavira|feed me 17:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I´m actually not intereseted in Keynes, at least not in of himself, I only use him as example. The point is that for philosophers, it is completely the opposite lots of people can be added without particularly strict rules. StrongALPHA (talk) 17:23, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * infobox academic has parameters including "influences" (with note saying that any names must be referenced from a third-party source) and "doctoral students" / "notable students" (implying those with WP articles). I assume that the latter were indeed influenced by the academic by virtue of being their student but for others they influenced, no-one may have noticed. If X was influenced by Y and there is a good source for that statement, then if it is a non-trivial part of either's biography I don't see why it can't be included. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Some disciplines even go in for Erdős numbers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Ruggero Deodato
Do I write the quote "Io ho fatto solo due/tre horror, il resto sono film realistici", translated into English as "I have only done two/three horror, the rest are realistic films", within the paragraph "Early life and career" or in the paragraph "Career"? JackkBrown (talk) 18:51, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Surely the latter, unless the date of the quote was very early and he was psychic! Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Charles de Choiseul-Praslin
I had made some changes to the above Wikipedia text. They are based on my last Reference addition of Gioconda Belli’s novel. The novel is based on documents found in her grandmother’s home ceiling while tearing it down to build a new house. Graciela Bermudez-Praslin was Gioconda Belli‘s grand mother who was a granddaughter of the above individual. Although the book is published as a novel, the newly found documents appear to be originally written by Charles de Choiseul-Praslin who died in Nicaragua in 1882. My suggested changes were undone with the comment that they were unfriendly. How do I make changes acceptable to Wikipedia? I am a great-grandson of the French immigrant by way of my mother Licha (Felicitas) Guzmán-Praslin, Eva Praslin’s daughter, one of the French immigran Charles de Choiseul-Praslin’s children. Lombardo and Palma, MD, MSPH Lombardopalma (talk) 19:43, 31 May 2023 (UTC)MSPH


 * @Lombardopalma, a work of fiction by a non-historian is not going to be a reliable source for anything except events which occur within the work of fiction itself. Has no scholar studied and published reports about these documents? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:54, 31 May 2023 (UTC)