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Anfield
This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to take the article to FAC soon. Its recently had a copyedit but as FAC is very stringent I feel a peer review beforehand would help improve the article to the standard required. Thanks, NapHit (talk) 12:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Previous peer review

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this - I enjoyed reading it and it looks pretty good to me, here are some suggestions for improvement - mostly nitpicks, and a few places where citations are needed. Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Lead
 * Since the stadium is mostly known as the home of Liverpool FC, I think I would include that in the first sentence.
 * Tighten The ground is due to host matches during the 2015 Rugby World Cup, with pool matches taking place at the stadium. to just The ground is due to host pool matches during the 2015 Rugby World Cup.
 * When I first read this sentence I was not sure what these four were - could this sentence make it clearer that they are stands? Perhaps something like ''Over the course of its history the stadium has gone through various stages of renovation and development, resulting in the current configuration of [four stands:] the Spion Kop, Main Stand, Centenary Stand, and Anfield Road.
 * More tightening ''Notable features of the stadium include two gates named after former Liverpool managers: the Bob Paisley gate and the Bill Shankly gate.
 * In the lead I would put the distance from the train station in the same paragraph with the public transit information - currently they are in two separate paragraphs.
 * I would start the third paragraph of the lead with the year of the initial plans. I would also mention the changes in ownership of the club as these seem to be involved in the changes in plans.
 * The infobox says the surface is grass, but the article does not repeat this.
 * History
 * Any idea of how much the land / stadium cost originally? Or what exactly the facilities were like when it opened? Perhaps include the etymology of Anfield?
 * MOS says just Houlding in ''Everton's landlord changed when John Houlding purchased the land from Orrell in 1885, charging direct rent.
 * Is Mr. Orrell of the first paragraph the same as John Orrell in the second? If so, why not call him John Orrell on first use?
 * When was the topmast of the Great Eastern added (year)? SInce the ship was broken up in 1889 or so, the chronology confuses me (unless the topmast was in the shipyard for decades before moving to the Kop).
 * I would give the year in this sentence Floodlights were installed at a cost of £12,000. and just say on 30 October of that year in the next sentence.
 * I would add that this was adopted during Shankly's time as manager in ''Across the Shankly Gates are the words You'll Never Walk Alone, the title of the hit song by Gerry & The Pacemakers adopted by Liverpool fans as the club's anthem.[14]
 * I would make the Liverpool connection to the Hillsborough disaster clearer - this is done nicely for the Kop. I realize most British readers will know this already, but I had to follow the link to find out what exactly it involved.
 * History section is pretty long - could it be split into two or perhaps three subsections?
 * Structures and facilities
 * Could File:Anfield outline.svg be color coded so that the 4 different stands are clearer - the labels are too small to read as it is in the article. If colors can't be added, the caption should make it clearer (top, left, right, bottom)
 * WP:MOSIMAGE says not to sandwich text between two images but the outline diagram and image of the Kop sandwich the text. Since Future and Other uses have no images, could one of the images from this section be moved down - the Kop is described as being unrivaled in the Future section, so could the Kop image be moved there and the caption tweaked? Or could a Doubleimage template be used?
 * Can the Reduc@te centre either be linked or briefly explained?
 * Make clearer that Shankly was Scottish so this make sense ''The Shankly Gates, in tribute of Bill Shankly, Paisley's predecessor between 1959 and 1974, are at the Anfield Road end. Their design includes a Scottish flag, a Scottish thistle, the Liverpool badge, and the words "You'll Never Walk Alone".[30]
 * Future
 * Tweak ter attending a number of games at Anfield, Henry stated that "the Kop is unrivaled", and "it would be hard to replicate that feeling anywhere else."[40] to ...unrivaled", adding "it would be hard to replicate that feeling anywhere else."[40]
 * Other uses
 * Needs a ref Wales have staged three matches at Anfield—against Scotland in 1977, Italy in 1998, and Denmark in 1999.
 * Indicate who won or lost? ''on 12 June 1934 Nelson Tarleton [lost a bout?] fought for the World Featherweight title against Freddie Miller
 * When was this ''Professional tennis was played at Anfield on boards on the pitch. US Open champion, Bill Tilden, and Wimbledon champion, Fred Perry, entertained the crowds in an exhibition match.
 * Any reason not to have these events more in chronological order (at least within a paragraph)?
 * Records
 * Needs a ref or two - The highest average attendance at Anfield over a league season was 48,127, set in the 1972–73 season. The lowest average attendance at Anfield was 29,608, set in the 1960–61 season, whilst the team was in the Second Division. The highest total seasonal attendance was recorded during the 2000–01 season, when the aggregate was 1,328,482. Also some FAC editors do not like "whilst" (I find it charming, though very British)
 * General
 * I would try to make captions more descriptive - I think many readers look at the pictures and read the captions first, so explaining a bit more helps.
 * Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)