Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2022 December 18

= December 18 =

WJAN-CD and America Teve
Does WJAN-CD count as an Independent station despite being classified as a flagship for the America Téve Network? WPXO-LD calls itself an affiliate and pretty much everywhere else other than the JAN and FUN articles consider it a network. Should not change it’s status as a Spanish Independent or should we consider it an O&O of the America Teve Network? Danubeball (talk) 02:41, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Zelda (not the windwalker)
Is Zelda the bulldog (what, no article???) still with us? I haven't seen any Zelda Wisdom (what, still no article???) calendars for 2 years -- what happened? 2601:646:8A81:6070:7C6A:308A:4506:DDEC (talk) 08:59, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * There will also be no 2023 calendar. I think Zelda Wisdom is a more suitable subject than the line of pooches by themselves.* Why don't you write an article on it? --Lambiam 15:37, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry, while I'd love to contribute some of my knowledge to Wikipedia, I'm not registering an account on here after how I've been treated by some of the other users! 2601:646:8A81:6070:CC33:2635:A453:3355 (talk) 06:27, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's perfectly possible to create a Draft article without having an account. The draft has to be reviewed to be accepted (or not) as an article, rather than being made one directly by its creator, but many users view that as a good thing: drafts receive more tolerance and advice, and can be improved (by the instigator and anyone else interested) and re-reviewed until they're accepted, whereas directly-entered articles are often judged more stringently.
 * On a personal note, I've been contributing to Wikipedia (though not yet as an article creator) for approaching 20 years without ever choosing to open an account. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.235 (talk) 05:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)


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Why is it called "the World Cup"?
What does a soccer/football tournament have to do with a cup or cups? 2601:18A:C500:7170:9D60:8B37:6F5C:AFC5 (talk) 23:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Jules Rimet trophy replica.jpg.]]
 * Sport trophies are often shaped as metal cups. It was so in the case of the Jules Rimet Cup that was awarded in the first world football competition. As new trophies were designed, they diverged from the cup shape.
 * I thought that the Superbowl had a similar origin but its article says that it was named after bowl-shaped stadiums.
 * --Error (talk) 00:19, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, Super Ball says "Lamar Hunt, founder of the American Football League and owner of the Kansas City Chiefs, watched his children playing with a Super Ball and then coined the term Super Bowl." --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 15:22, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Trophy provides a history of cups of cups/amphoras/vases/chalices being awarded to winners of sporting events, going back as far as the ancient Greeks. HiLo48 (talk) 00:52, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * See also Loving cup. The rather silly-sounding "Super Bowl" was derived from the countless college-level "bowl games" played in December and early January. The "Super" part presumably sets it a cut above the college games. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Our article Bowl game says "it began to be played at the newly completed Rose Bowl stadium, and thus the contest itself became known as the Rose Bowl game. The name "bowl" to describe the games thus comes from the Rose Bowl stadium", but our article Rose Bowl (stadium) says the stadium is named after the game. Rose Bowl Game says the stadium's design and name is based on the Yale Bowl, which was apparently the first "bowl-shaped" stadium in the USA. All very confusing. DuncanHill (talk) 12:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Note that the item in question is now officially called the FIFA World Cup Trophy. Alansplodge (talk) 13:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Which is no longer shaped like a cup. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:54, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I expect that because everybody around the globe knew the competition (rather than the trophy itself) as "the World Cup", it would be a fruitless exercise to try to change the name when the trophy became less cup-like nearly 50 years after the inception of the event. But who knows? Alansplodge (talk) 15:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * See also The Ashes, where the winner doesn't actually win any ashes anymore, or The Women's Ashes, where there seem never to have been any real ashes in the first place. The world is not always a logical place. Alansplodge (talk) 15:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The Trophy looks like you can peel off the gold-coloured foil and find chocolate underneath. --Lambiam 09:28, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Terry's Chocolate Orange? Alansplodge (talk) 13:06, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I imagine the cup (in a tripod) as a trophy dates back to Ancient Greek times, eg Sacrificial tripod. Oldest sports trophies has some nice photos. Rhyton has some magnificent examples, although I'm not sure if they were given as trophies. MinorProphet (talk) 18:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ... and there's always the Pythagorean cup if you're up for a laugh. MinorProphet (talk)


 * Is the world cup trophy really "solid gold"? That could make it very heavy, along with it being a target for theft. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:58, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It weighs 6.175 kg so quite hefty, but I suspect it means that it's not gold-plated. Alansplodge (talk) 22:34, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This is all covered in FIFA World Cup Trophy: It's hollow and 18 carat gold. Still a lot of carats, worth "approximately US$161,000 in 2018". Clarityfiend (talk) 05:47, 21 December 2022 (UTC).
 * It is called "The World Cup" because the reliable sources that discuss the competition call it "The World Cup". It certainly has a better claim on the "World" name than the World Series which I actually pay attention to, but which is limited to teams from the United States and (rarely) from Canada. Cullen328 (talk) 05:59, 21 December 2022 (UTC)