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Template:Gregorian chants of the Roman mass

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Mass of the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church. A discussion about the overall content of the target template is a little bit outside the scope of this discussion, but it does sound like there is some trimming that could/should be done to make it a little less unwieldy. Primefac (talk) 15:34, 2 June 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Gregorian chants of the Roman mass with Template:Mass of the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church.
 * Gregorian chants of the Roman mass
 * Mass of the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church

While destination template is already quite populated, you could argue that in some techninal topics still offered as an overview, some maximalism tend to occur here on Wikipedia. Though, if insisted upon, some contents in the destination template may perhaps be moved to the more general scope of Template:Sacraments, rites, and liturgies of the Catholic Church, and some calender-related stuff to Template:Liturgical year of the Catholic Church? PPEMES (talk) 11:21, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't even understand the request. Why would you want to merge chants here, and liturgy there? Apples and pears, it seems, common noun only that they have to do with the Catholic Church. What I'd suggest is getting rid of "Roman" in the titles, - our prime topic for Catholic Church is that one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Having looked closer, I don't understand "Gregorian" in this template title, because Kyrie is chanted many melodies in today's Catholic mass, not only Gregorian, - and perhaps that way - just as part of the mass - a merge might make sense. On the other hand, Kyrie is also part of Lutheran masses, it's more general than merely Catholic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Comments The "Roman" in the titles refers specifically to the Roman Rite, which is the most common form of liturgy in the Catholic Church, but not the only one, and omitting it would render the names of the navboxes inaccurate. That said, I think we can leave out the "of the Latin Church" part as overly wordy and unneeded. As for the second template, it's purpose is to highlight the parts of the mass that have standard Gregorian Chant settings. But those are just the parts of the Mass and already included in the more general template (indeed, I don't think there's any link in the Gregorian Chant template that is not in the Mass template. I don't really think we need both. More than a merge, should just delete the Chant template as a redundant template. oknazevad (talk) 18:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge (as creator of chant template). Per Oknazevad, I think they all appear in the Mass template, but you should verify (there might be ones that have text and music as separate articles, in which case the template should have both). But I do think the Mass template is a bit unwieldy, so I agree with moving some of the content less directly related to the mass (particularly the calendar). Rigadoun (talk) 17:14, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Papacy

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 May 27. Primefac (talk) 02:59, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Papacy
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Template:Reach of the European Union

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:European Union topics. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Reach of the European Union with Template:European Union topics.
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Might as well keep this in one, collected overvew? PPEMES (talk) 23:49, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Substantive human rights

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 October 7. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:00, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Substantive_human_rights
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Template:Culture by religion

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Culture. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Culture by religion with Template:Culture.
 * Culture by religion
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Might as well incorporate this to keep it in a collected overview? PPEMES (talk) 23:44, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Periods of the History of Europe

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:History of Europe. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:45, 27 May 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Periods of the History of Europe with Template:History of Europe.
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Redundancy. Better keep it simple and collected? PPEMES (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:U.S. space program sidebar

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as T3 by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:05, 15 May 2019 (UTC) Redundant copy of Template:United States space program sidebar. -- Beland (talk) 22:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * U.S. space program sidebar
 * No need for a discussion, the template was a direct copy of the older template. --Gonnym (talk) 07:55, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Province TR

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The result of the discussion was delete. After replacement with Infobox settlement, that is Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Replace and delete
 * Infobox Province TR

Province-specific wrapper for Infobox settlement, with limited transclusions, on pretty stable sets of articles. Subst:itution will reduce the maintenance overhead, reduce the cognitive burden for editors, and enable articles to benefit more immediately from improvements to the current parent template.

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 * Replace and delete per nom. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:13, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Replace and delete per nom.--Darwinek (talk) 22:20, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Faryl Smith

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 May 27. Primefac (talk) 02:55, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Faryl_Smith
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Template:Buffyverse

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The result of the discussion was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:04, 24 May 2019 (UTC) Just a collection of all the other navboxes. There is no article where it would be appropriate to place every single one of these navboxes on per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, so this should never be used. -- wooden superman  10:06, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Buffyverse
 * Delete - it's also placed on the top of talk pages for some reason. Never seen a navbox placed like that. --Gonnym (talk) 07:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Gauri Khan

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The result of the discussion was delete per prior discussion at TfD and elsewhere Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:32, 24 May 2019 (UTC) Not primary creator per WP:FILMNAV -- wooden superman  10:01, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:C. V. Kumar

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The result of the discussion was delete per prior discussion at TfD and elsewhere Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC) Not primary creator per WP:FILMNAV -- wooden superman  10:00, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Dinesh Vijan
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The result of the discussion was delete per prior discussion at TfD and elsewhere Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC) Only primary creator of one film in the list. See WP:FILMNAV. -- wooden superman  09:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Capitals of provinces of Thailand
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 May 27. Primefac (talk) 02:59, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:DART RR infobox header
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 May 27. Primefac (talk) 03:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Province Spain
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The result of the discussion was delete. And replace with Infobox settlement Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:05, 21 May 2019 (UTC) Replace and delete
 * Infobox Province Spain

Province-specific wrapper for Infobox settlement, with limited transclusions, on pretty stable sets of articles. Subst:itution will reduce the maintenance overhead, reduce the cognitive burden for editors, and enable articles to benefit more immediately from improvements to the current parent template.

Note: Despite being named "Infobox settlement" the template is not only used for settlements. Per its documentation, Infobox settlement is "used to produce an Infobox for human settlements (cities, towns, villages, communities) as well as other administrative districts, counties, provinces, et cetera—in fact, any subdivision below the level of a country".

Regions, municipalities, parishes, towns, villages etc. already transclude Infobox settlement directly. 77.183.15.167 (talk) 00:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Replace and delete per nom. Simplify editing and maintenance. TerraCyprus (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Replace and delete per nom.--Darwinek (talk) 22:22, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
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