Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 January 18



Template:IPA/Transwiki Redirs

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions, no documentation. These are no longer redirects after converted them to templates in 2017; many of those templates still have no transclusions. I am certain that I do not completely understand the logic of this set of templates, but it seems to me that this page is no longer needed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * IPA/Transwiki Redirs
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:California League ballparks

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. This template is no longer useful, per California League, which states that after a reorganization, this baseball league no longer exists. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:47, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * California League ballparks
 * Delete Articles are already using Ballparks in Low-A West which is basically an exact copy, padded out with the team names for some reason. Nigej (talk) 21:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:COD2

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions, no documentation. Redundant to. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * COD2
 * Delete per nom. Nigej (talk) 21:55, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Diplomatic missions in Peru

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. Navbox contains only two actual links to articles that match the topic (Colombia and Holy See). – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:48, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Diplomatic missions in Peru


 * @Jonesey95 I disagree based on the third point of WP:TFD which says this template ...has no likelihood of being used. which is not true. Many of the structured templates I created in Category:Diplomatic missions by receiving country templates started off as bare-bone/transclusionless and now have increased usage. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * However WP:TFD#REASONS also says "Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here." which is often the process here. Nigej (talk) 16:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 18:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Can be added to four articles. NEAN doesn't apply to this certain template because there is a navigational benefit for this topic. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:24, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or userfy per nom. Navboxes are for navigation. We shouldn't be creating them until there is useful navigational benefit. Arguments like "eventually it will have enough links" don't convince me. Write the content and then at some point a navbox might be useful, not the other way round. Nigej (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as usual, I find the entire principle of adding templates to articles because they were found to be unused to be counterproductive; if a navbox were truly useful, it wouldn't have become unused. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I've added the template to the relevant articles and thus no longer unused. The template does fulfill navigational purposes even if it doesn't have the minimum five links. But to delete all other diplomatic missions templates that have a similar concern would only be counterproductive. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:Diplomatic missions in Libya

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. Of questionable utility. Navbox with only two actual links (Palestine and Holy See) to what is purportedly covered here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Diplomatic missions in Libya


 * @Jonesey95 Similar argument here: I disagree based on the third point of WP:TFD which says this template ...has no likelihood of being used. which is not true. Many of the structured templates I created in Category:Diplomatic missions by receiving country templates started off as bare-bone/transclusionless and now have increased usage. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * Keep Can be added to four articles. NEAN doesn't apply to this certain template because there is a navigational benefit for this topic. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:24, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or userfy per nom. Navboxes are for navigation. We shouldn't be creating them until there is useful navigational benefit. Arguments like "eventually it will have enough links" don't convince me. Write the content and then at some point a navbox might be useful, not the other way round. Nigej (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Nigej There are ~ 5000 Embassies in the world and thousands more missions (nearly 1000 Articles too) that can now concretely be navigated across any of the 400 Diplomatic missions by receiving/sending templates. Another dimension is these templates and the subjects in them are translated across multiple Wikipedias. For example someone recently created Embassy of Sweden, Algiers into English and added it to Template:Diplomatic missions in Algeria. Is that particular template lowly used on English Wikipedia and delete-able by your criteria? Yes. Does it have navigational benefit already? Yes. Does it have potential to grow in the future? Yes, and only because someone took the effort of creating this template in the future that is already neatly sorted, and intra-wikilinked to other languages.
 * Whenever someone wants to create an embassy article, they can look at existing article and see that it has such templates, and without worrying about creating a template from scratch, can pull an existing one, even if it's empty. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I've added the template to the relevant articles and thus no longer unused. The template does fulfill navigational purposes even if it doesn't have the minimum five links. But to delete all other diplomatic missions templates that have a similar concern would only be counterproductive. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Per comments above. If people want to find articles about Diplomatic missions in Libya they simply look at Category:Diplomatic missions in Libya. For Diplomatic missions in Algeria they look at Category:Diplomatic missions in Algeria. These categories link to various foreign language categories (German, French, Italian, etc). We don't need a navbox to enable people to see what already exists, the categories already tells them. Using a WP:NAVBOX for this purpose is not satisfactory IMO. Navboxes "are a grouping of links used in multiple related articles to facilitate navigation between those articles in Wikipedia." For instance, looking at List of diplomatic missions in Algeria, the only easy way to tell which articles exist is to look at the navbox. This is all wrong. It should be clear from the article itself. WP:NAXBOX says "Do not rely solely on navboxes for links to articles highly relevant to a particular article. Navboxes are not displayed on the mobile website for Wikipedia, which accounts for around half of readers." Where's the link in this article to Embassy of Palestine, Algiers? It's not there, it's ONLY in the infobox. The articles need a redesign so that they are usable without navboxes. Nigej (talk) 12:33, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Festivals in Sri Lanka
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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 20:01, 26 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions, no incoming links. Too many of the links in this navbox are not specific to Sri Lanka, so they are not tied together well enough to meet the criteria in WP:NAVBOX. Festivals in Sri Lanka,, this list of holidays, and may be sufficient. It may be possible to trim this navbox significantly to make it more focused on just one type of observance. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 11 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 18:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Festivals in Sri Lanka
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Incoming links and transclusions exist. Festavals are a common occurance in Sri Lanka. Aside from some religious observances, also recognised in other countries, everything is specific to Sri Lanka. Similar templates also exist. No reason to see this deleted.--Blackknight12 (talk) 09:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. The template is such a diverse list that I don't believe it's at all useful for navigation. It's now been added to articles like New Year's Eve and May Day but it includes entries like Jaffna Music Festival and Sri Lankan Golf Classic. We already have the much more focused Public holidays in Sri Lanka. Nigej (talk) 20:20, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment responding to the "Keep" nomination: It may be possible to edit this template to make it more coherent by removing the many non-Sri-Lanka-specific events like New Year's Day, May Day, Father's Day, Mother's Day, Children's Day, New Year's Eve, Christmas, Maha Shivaratri, etc. Many of the unlinked or redlinked events should probably be commented out until articles are created for the events that meet WP:GNG. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The batch of articles this navbox is on which aren't directly pertinent to Sri Lanka like Christmas should perhaps have their navboxes reviewed. Izno (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:SydBus Route Operator
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions, incoming links, or documentation. No substantive edits since 2006. This template may have been used at one time in articles like Buses in Sydney, but consensus appears to have moved away from its use. Without documentation explaining how it worked, it is difficult to figure out how and where it is supposed to be used. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:19, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * SydBus Route Operator
 * Delete per nom. Been lying around so long it's difficult to believe it could ever be useful. Nigej (talk) 20:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Swadesh list 100 trans
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions in article space. Some of them are transcluded only in some user drafts from 2006. This experiment from 2006 never really caught on. See Template talk:Swadesh list 207 plain for a discussion at the time of the templates' creation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Swadesh list 100 trans
 * Swadesh list 100 plain
 * Swadesh list 207 trans pronunciation
 * Swadesh list 207 trans2
 * Swadesh list 207 trans
 * Swadesh list 207 pronunciation
 * Swadesh list templates
 * Added Swadesh list templates, which exists only in documentation for these templates and one other that is used. If only one template is left after deletion of the others, a list of the templates will no longer be needed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Suggest image
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:26, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Template created in 2013, used six times in 2013, and then the editor was globally banned in 2014. No longer useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Suggest image
 * Delete per nom. "Please feel free to use it if it's useful." But no one has. Clearly not useful. Nigej (talk) 20:31, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Meeksi Parish
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:26, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. These parishes no longer exists after administrative changes in Estonia, so the navboxes are no longer useful. I don't know how they was missed when similar templates were deleted a couple of months ago; perhaps they still had one or two transclusions at that time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Meeksi Parish
 * Surju Parish
 * Delete per nom. Unused. Nigej (talk) 20:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. ExRat (talk) 09:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:MedportalSAC
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:26, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. This is a tag that was apparently used for Portal:Medicine/Selected article candidates nominations. That process is marked as historical and has not been active since 2009. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * MedportalSAC
 * Delete Died out in April 2008 (Portal:Medicine/Selected Article Archive) so its clear there wont be any new candidates to nominate. Nigej (talk) 20:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:MedPortalTalk
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. Was replaced in Portal talk:Medicine by MedPortal talk (possibly a move without redirect) in 2012, and then that template was removed in 2014. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:56, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * MedPortalTalk
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Human body portalbar
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC) No transclusions, documentation, incoming links, or categories. Appears to be an unused near-duplicate of Science portalbar. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Human body portalbar
 * Delete per nom. Difficult to see the connection between "Human body" and the actual content. Nigej (talk) 20:24, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Toronto Wolfpack squad
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Template is out of date and no longer needed. Club now competes in a league where the players are unlikely to be notable. J Mo 101 (talk) 15:20, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Toronto Wolfpack squad
 * Delete per nom, given the uncertainly surrounding the team. Nigej (talk) 15:47, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Translation category/core
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused sub-template of Template:Translation category which was removed from the template in 2010. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Translation category/core
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:MMAyearcat
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused category template. Navseasoncats is used on those categories. Gonnym (talk) 14:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * MMAyearcat
 * Delete per nom. Generic versions are being used. Nigej (talk) 15:29, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Foo–Bar relations category/parentcountry
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused sub-template of Template:Foo–Bar relations category. Gonnym (talk) 14:20, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Foo–Bar relations category/parentcountry
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:DisestcatCountry/old
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused sub-template of Template:DisestcatCountry. Gonnym (talk) 14:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * DisestcatCountry/old
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Decade category header
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused category template that was turned into a wrapper of Navseasoncats. Gonnym (talk) 14:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Decade category header
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Template:Country by time category navigation
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused category template. Gonnym (talk) 14:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Country by time category navigation
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Template:Scientist types from Boo
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused category template. Gonnym (talk) 14:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Scientist types from Boo
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox element/headers
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  13:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused and deprecated sub template of Template:Infobox element. Gonnym (talk) 11:53, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Infobox element/headers
 * Delete Deprecated since 2014. Nigej (talk) 12:02, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, unused since/because switched to meta  in 2014. -DePiep (talk) 15:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:GHSref
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  13:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Unused and deprecated template. Template:GHS2021 should be used instead. Gonnym (talk) 11:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * GHSref
 * Delete Deprecated since 2009. Nigej (talk) 12:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, is the current source version (carefully replaced recently; I was involved). -DePiep (talk) 12:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Service awards/text
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  11:33, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Template:Service awards does not use this sub-template anymore. There were 3 usages which I've replaced with the base template. Gonnym (talk) 11:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Service awards/text
 * Delete per nom. Now unused. Nigej (talk) 11:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:1. Clement, Diane (2022)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  11:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Not a template. Just plain text that can be replaced on the single page that this is used. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 09:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1. Clement, Diane (2022)
 * Subst/delete per nom. Nigej (talk) 09:48, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a properly formatted reference, substing wouldn't make sense. It is relying on the fact that no one will edit the article after the author finishes, otherwise the "1" will break. I assume it is referring to the bare-linked external link "[1]", which if it were formatted properly wouldn't be "1" unnamed. The page it sits one needs to be tagged as an autobiography. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 12:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Judeo-Christian navboxes
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 January 25. Izno (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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