Wikipedia talk:ReFill/Archive 4

Discussion at WP:VPT § Proposed Google Summer of Code project: expanding citations
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:VPT § Proposed Google Summer of Code project: expanding citations. Enterprisey (talk!) 08:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This discussion is archived now. If anyone goes looking for it, the permalink is Village pump (technical)/Archive 194. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:27, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

RfC: Block reFill until fixed
Village_pump_(proposals) -- Green  C  21:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This discussion has since been archived. The new location is Village pump (proposals)/Archive 187. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Please add support for simplewiki?
This doesn't seem to work on simplewiki? Mako001 (C) (T)  11:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the same issue that is affecting the other language versions. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Turkish Wikipedia
Can you add tr.wikipedia.org --Hedda Gabler (talk) 14:47, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Uh-Oh!
I always get to Uh-Oh! message. Where is the other version of reFill? The one with a greek letter, or something. --Bageense(disc.) 02:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * try User:Dispenser/Reflinks. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 07:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Is this tool down again?
Just asking because I've been waiting for an available worker for the last fifteen minutes. This is Paul (talk) 18:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like there is a problem, I have raised a ticket. We have not had a problem for a long time. Keith D (talk) 20:06, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for raising the ticket. The tool is still down. "Waiting for an available worker" is still the message. Skilgis1900 (talk) 16:28, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The tool has been repaired and is now operational.Skilgis1900 (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This was thanks to who responded to my ping on IRC and quickly went to work on this; she's now in the maintainers group for the tool. She redeployed the project and it started working again. Hopefully she'll look at the root cause and document her steps in due course. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

spaced hyphens rather than spaced endashes
Hello: This is an instance where ReFill converted spaced endashes into spaced hyphens. Also it added spaced hyphens. But MOS:HYPHEN says we should spaced endashes. Can you convert this feature and correct the problem. If it produces " – " or "& nbsp; – " we'd have a better tool. Thanks so very much. – S. Rich (talk) 06:41, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Data incorrectly indentified as names on IndiaToday.in
– Rummskartoffel 22:10, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Task Name fixWikipage
 * Task ID 0ae01fce-e612-4ce9-8fc2-da5b2f73f939
 * Change ID 1
 * Old Text
 * New Text
 * We need to work out a way of deploying fixes to this tool, as at the moment we have requests but have been unable to change the tool until existing fixes can be deployed. Keith D (talk) 00:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This issue is not specific to reFill. Fixing it would require somebody to create a Zotero translator specific to India Today. I have added a new section to the reFill home page to explain why this is so and how to create such a translator. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:16, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Next steps
I have had a go at putting together a list of steps needed to achieve a release of the tool and help in future work. There could be lots of holes in this, but it is a start. I have placed it at Wikipedia talk:ReFill/Plan rather than clutter this page, feel free to modify it as needed. Keith D (talk) 22:17, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * see also meta:Grants:Project/Rapid/TheresNoTime/reFill 3.0. It would help if you could add your support there. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add simple.wikipedia.org support
Same templates and language, so should be easy. Although that might fool the tool into thinking it is en. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 16:08, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, I am talking about support this way:

mw.loader.load( "https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zhaofeng_Li/Reflinks.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript" ); AManWithNoPlan (talk) 16:10, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you able to take this on? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:27, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * the JS interface returns "en". AManWithNoPlan (talk) 12:39, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * But mw.config.get( 'wgServer' ) returns simple.wikipedia.org. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

RTE.ie is not a journal
Refill converts raw www.rte.ie urls to Template:cite journal, thus causing a cs1 error flag (" : Cite journal requires |journal=(help)"). Template:cite web would be more appropriate, in general, with Template:cite news for www.rte.ie/news -Bogger (talk) 22:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * ditto www.bis.org -Bogger (talk) 15:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

last=published added often
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fennec_Shand&type=revision&diff=1071520729&oldid=1071520650   AManWithNoPlan (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This is an issue with Citoid / Zotero, rather than specifically with reFill. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I think this edit is also related:

Lokfahrer (talk) 08:34, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Task Name fixWikipage
 * Task ID ab7e70bb-4123-4e3a-befd-f7b9c52682b3
 * Change ID 2
 * Old Text
 * New Text

creates bogus |title=value
This edit. title should never hold a url; this tool should not make up values for title. Don't know the title of the source? Abandon the edit.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:09, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * that edit was from 18 March 2021. In the test I just carried out, the same original ref is now not processed by reFill. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Soft-404
Special:Diff/1031964482/1045055733: The URL http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/tope111l.htm redirects to http://www.astronautix.com/4/404page.html which returns status 200 ie. a soft-404. The only way to catch these is a filter that looks for "404page.html". We found 25 so far reFill incorrectly migrated, and manually going through and fixing. -- Green  C  13:38, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Two links
I still get, on en.Wikipedia, two entries under "Tools":


 * reFill 2 New!
 * reFill(o)

They link, respectively, to:



Is that expected, and if so, why? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a problem that needs fixing. The second link should go to an options page where it allows you to set options for the run and save them for future runs. I did raised this here. Keith D (talk) 16:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If someone with JavaScript skills would like to fix this in meta:User:Zhaofeng_Li/Reflinks.js I can deploy the updated code to a new location (rather than in Zhaofeng Li's userspace). Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 07:04, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it wise to fork the tool, especially when so many people use the original? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Ignores existing reference names that are pointers
When there are references with the same content, the tool will change their names to match (and this is good). But, if there are leftover, they do not get changed to often. This is a bug that has existed for many years. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Cite web vs cite web
It appears that cite web is preferred to Cite web, so the tool should at the very least stop correcting cite web to Cite web. Perhaps even reverse it. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 15:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Cite type
May be we could expand to use cite news in some cases, rather than always using cite web Keith D (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Invisible characters
Sometimes, when filling in references, the tool can attempt to insert invisible characters. Here is an example. Now, I've noticed this is actually quite a deep-rooted issue, since its from the site's metadata, however I think it may be worth implementing an automatic or at least partial automatic fix, as it seems some users ignore these errors anyways, and its actually quite a safe fix from a coding standpoint. The best move would be to replace all non-breaking spaces with regular spaces, and to remove any other character considered "invisible". This is because the NBSPs are just spaces with line break rules, and removing the spacing could just make everything looklikethis. But the rest of the characters are actually invisible. (Except soft-hyphen, im not sure which action would be better in that scenario). Aidan9382 (talk) 06:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * there is no current active maintenance of the tool, though an application for funding has been submitted to enable some development to be undertaken. This is due for a decision to be made, but you could still support it. See here Keith D (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

creating bogus url from an archive snapshot url
I've been noticing stuff like this edit recently where the tool converts something like this:

to this:

Yeah, the same ongoing y problem (will this never be fixed?) but also the original url named in the archive snapshot has been stripped of an important query string so that we get http://www.sgilibrary.org/view.php instead of http://www.sgilibrary.org/view.php?page=923&m=3&q=all. The tool should not be stripping query strings from urls.

Sigh.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

and another bogus url
From this edit, in addition to the y problem, the tool converts this:

to this:

In this conversion, the tool apparently ignores all of the path part of the original url – http://www.jgk.be.ch redirects to https://www.dij.be.ch/de/start.html and from that redirected url the tool gets the invalid Direktion für Inneres und Justiz des Kantons Bern - Startseite; not the title of the original external link (Gerichte und Strafverfolgungsbehörden). The tool should not do that.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Strange link
This:

Became this:

It can be examined here. I archived the URL. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 04:19, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've just done a test, running reFill over the original reference and cannot reproduce this behaviour - reFill doesn't modify the reference. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That is strange. I tested it again, and I was able to reproduce it. For reference, I was using on Lady Dimitrescu. &#8213; Susmuffin  Talk 17:24, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I can reproduce now. I have narrowed the problem down to the following
 * a

B
 * The problem only occurs when the reference is followed by something in italics. The reason is that in the title that is already present, the phrase Resident Evil Village begins with one apostrophe but is followed by two apostrophe's (presumably, one to end the phrase and one for the possessive). This is messing with the markup as it is being treated as unbalanced italic tags. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposed WMF grant funding of maintenance of reFill
has requested a grant from WMF to fund maintenance work on reFill. Your support for their proposition is welcomed. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * has there been any news on this application, as it looks like the end date was May 2022? Keith D (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, between making that grant request and now, I've accepted a position working for the WMF. Having spoken to a grants coordinator a little while ago, I made clear that I would be uncomfortable continuing the request — you have however reminded me to email about potentially taking up leading the grant proposal  — TNT (talk • she/her) 18:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update, just seams to be dragging on and no light at the end of the tunnel as yet. Keith D (talk) 23:33, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

deadurl=y
Dispays error for cite web, because it was changed to "url-status=dead" Pelmeen10 (talk) 13:27, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for you post . This has been a problem for years. You need to paste the |url-status=dead over the old format. We live in hope that it will get fixed one day but I suspect it won't be anytime soon. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 13:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The local fix is to simply delete y. The default assumed by cs1|2 templates is that the value assigned to url is 'dead' when archive-url has a value so dead serves no purpose.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * the weird thing is, in the Russian language Wikipedia it still accepts the deadurl=y :-) Lotje (talk) 15:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not at all weird. ru.wiki is a wholly separate project that is using a modified, old (looks like c. 2018) version of the cs1|2 module suite.  At en.wiki, deadurl and dead-url were deprecated at the 3 September 2019 module-suite update and became unsupported at 11 January 2020‎ update.  At ru.wiki, it appears that the default value for deadurl is.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Linkrot template removal
Nothing high-priority, but when you use ReFill to expand citations on an article with linkrot and all references are filled, the tool removes the template, but leaves a blankline behind like this. I have to manually remove the line before saving the changes. ~Styyx Talk ? 22:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

BBC garbled URL
Refill is turning a working address like this  into a broken URL like this,   by adding the bolded text to the URL. I'm guessing it's to do with the server being outside the UK and not handling a redirect to BBC.com. - X201 (talk) 09:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

tool puts a url in |website=; discards valid but dead |url=
In this edit, the tool created https://www.inquirer.com. website should never, ever, hold a url. URLs are only allowed in the url-holding parameters: url, chapter-url (and its aliases), archive-url, conference-url, map-url, transcript-url, and id (to link a non-standard identifier), page, pages, and at (to link to specific in-source locations). URLs are not allowed in any other parameters.

The tool also discarded the valid (though dead) original url (http://articles.philly.com/1994-04-24/sports/25863114_1_corvette-heller-and-mike-golic-eagles) in favor of a meaningless url (https://www.inquirer.com/archives/). The tool should never do that.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * the problem here is that when reFill (or a user) visits http://articles.philly.com/1994-04-24/sports/25863114_1_corvette-heller-and-mike-golic-eagles the server responds as follows:


 * When reFill follows the redirect, https://www.inquirer.com/archives returns the following metadata:


 * Inquirer.com: Philadelphia local news, sports, jobs, cars, homes
 * 


 * The site name open graph property is being misused - it should return The Philadelphia Inquirer. I have contacted their technical team to ask them to change it.
 * Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 07:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

how do i run on sandbox w/o saving source text
my current work flow: copy article source text replacing sandbox template on my sandbox, make changes, verify, copy changed source text to article, save changes. however, when i run refill it prompts to (1) "leave this page", but if i click it, nothing is changed since it process my sandbox, (2) if i click "stay on this page" nothing is changed. in simple words, is it possible to use this similar to "citation expander" in source text mode. if this feature is not available, can you please consider it. _>jindam, vani (talk) 16:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're previewing changes to User:Jindam vani/sandbox but not saving them. reFill accesses the page as it currently exists on the wiki, so it can't see what you have on screen in preview without saving the changes. Why would you not want to save the changes to your sandbox? That would solve the problem? You could always revert the changes in the history of your sandbox afterwards if you wanted to. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 07:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Curb Safe Charmer right now, i am using wpcleaner with autoformatter & citation expander. Why would you not want to save the changes to your sandbox? That would solve the problem? (1) it saves a lot of bandwith (2) doesnt flood my contributions (3) why waste a lot of wikimedia resources for minor edits. my current workflow: copy article source from wpcleaner, open sandbox, edit sandbox, paste copied text, run citation expander (check ok) & then autoformatter (check ok), paste edited text in wpcleaner & change edit summary & hit send. my personal opinion: as a reasonable man, i expect or demand refill to fit into my present workflow!?! <_>jindam, vani (talk) 09:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It can only access saved pages, so that's not going to work. The page name gets entered into https://refill.toolforge.org/index.php either manually if you access that URL directly, or automatically and seamlessly if using the JavaScript gadget in the left-hand menu. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Submitting your task...
The tool appears to have frozen. I'm getting the above message at the top of the screen along with a blank page. This is Paul (talk) 20:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes; me too. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like this is working now. Keith D (talk) 23:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

(enhancement) freezing device
i am running debian bullseye on userland. my browser is palemoon (version 31.3.0.1) from obs. when i run refill 2022 UCI Mountain Bike season, its freezing device completly. error messages from developer console option of browser: Timestamp: 10/12/22 08:39:28 Error: TypeError: aPool is null Source File: resource://gre/modules/commonjs/toolkit/loader.js -> resource://devtools/server/actors/webconsole.js Line: 498

Timestamp: 10/12/22 08:39:29 Error: A promise chain failed to handle a rejection. Did you forget to '.catch', or did you forget to 'return'? See https://developer.mozilla.org/Mozilla/JavaScript_code_modules/Promise.jsm/Promise

Date: Wed Oct 12 2022 08:38:12 GMT+0000 (UTC) Full Message: TypeError: iframe is null Full Stack: focusTool@resource://gre/modules/commonjs/toolkit/loader.js -> resource://devtools/client/framework/toolbox.js:1522:7 selectTool/<@resource://gre/modules/commonjs/toolkit/loader.js -> resource://devtools/client/framework/toolbox.js:1505:7 process@resource://gre/modules/Promise.jsm -> resource://gre/modules/Promise-backend.js:931:23 walkerLoop@resource://gre/modules/Promise.jsm -> resource://gre/modules/Promise-backend.js:812:7 scheduleWalkerLoop/<@resource://gre/modules/Promise.jsm -> resource://gre/modules/Promise-backend.js:746:11

Source File: resource://gre/modules/commonjs/toolkit/loader.js -> resource://devtools/client/framework/toolbox.js Line: 1522 Source Code: 1522 if possible please look into this. <_>&mdash; jindam, vani (talk • e-mail • contrib • actions) 09:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I tried it using Firefox 105.0.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10 and on first attempt it crashed the tab, but on second try works OK. So looks like it is the set-up rather than the tool itself that is causing the problem. Keith D (talk) 17:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * this particular article is excessively long, falling into the Pages where post-expand include size is exceeded category, and it has over 250 references, which is extreme. These things will cause difficulty for reFill. I would not imagine it would crash your browser, but I am not familiar with Pale Moon and I don't run Linux so I cannot replicate your setup. I note that as of 2 October 2022 Firefox has 2.0% market share on Wikipedia for desktop devices, although 13.9% of users' browsers fall into the category of 'other'. I suggest if you want to run reFill over such a long page, try a more mainstream browser. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Keith D in address

type & hit enter. click submit relevant tab crash id in "unsubmitted crash reports". also please provide crash id. if i remember correctly, they dont mind billion or zillion duplicates or new as long as they do not look or identified as spam. if the crash id is not in their top list, they mostly be unaware of it. need to kindly bring to their attention about 2% wikimedia users also. if there is no crash id, i will create an issue on bugzilla. see also Troubleshoot Firefox crashes (closing or quitting unexpectedly) @Curb Safe Charmer i will try another browser. Jindam vani (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The crash id was 6eff0405-bf73-4643-ab9c-fa30fedfb25c Keith D (talk) 08:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Keith D if you clicked submit, it might take atleast 24hrs to show up, right now, it doesnt visible. thanks for sharing crash id ;) Jindam vani (talk) 09:30, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

refill removing deadlink template
. please look into it. thank u. Jindam vani (talk) 06:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * enabled "remove dead link rot tags" on, is this intended behviour? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jindam vani (talk • contribs) 07:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

(bug) incorrect edit of url without text
without text. is displayed as. this is quite useless. &lt;_> Jindam vani (talk) 14:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * that URL returns a 404 and the following message:

 Not Found Not Found The requested resource                does not exist on this server.
 * Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 07:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * refill isnt intelligent enough to stop editing if it encounters 404? strange..... &lt;_> Jindam vani (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If this was a reference in an article, reFill will stop - see the first image, but if it is an external link, it will create a blank label.

Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * shows  divergent behaviour for the same issue? <_> Jindam vani (talk) 01:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

(bug) ShieldSquare Captcha
In this change, bare url "https://www.sportskeeda.com/player/sukesh-hegde" should have mapped to "|website=www.sportskeeda.com |url=https://www.sportskeeda.com/player/sukesh-hegde|title=Sukesh Hegde" but instead resulted in "|url=http://validate.perfdrive.com/sportskeeda/captcha?ssa=ff55a3c6-f57b-a88e-465b-29b5a0640586&ssc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportskeeda.com%2Fplayer%2Fsukesh-hegde&ssi=56c5fac1-a33a-c8a4-85e3-788b215fdd3f&ssk=contactus@shieldsquare.com&ssm=17830260681708870104190720594593&ssn=3de4acad11585936007e4e404e43a79a5324c63ccaff-503c-f05c-20ab89&sso=c2cd6084-e08cfc34bc4df9670373ac6a989be7c31878c211001d86bb&ssp=62190422811571384179157137342726414&ssq=21011194250024033237542500057184896752304&ssr=MjA4LjgwLjE1NC40OQ==&sst=ZoteroTranslationServer/WMF%20(mailto:services@lists.wikimedia.org)&ssw=|title=ShieldSquare Captcha|website=validate.perfdrive.com" There are over 100 examples of this. -Bogger (talk) 12:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Bot not working
Just a heads up. Looks like the bot might be down again. I've had a pending message for the last ten minutes, and tried refreshing the page a couple of times without success. This is Paul (talk) 16:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems to be ok now. This is Paul (talk) 17:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

RTE.ie is not a journal
Refill converts raw www.rte.ie urls to Template:cite journal, thus causing a cs1 error flag (" : Cite journal requires |journal=(help)"). Template:cite web would be more appropriate, in general, with Template:cite news for www.rte.ie/news -Bogger (talk) 08:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ditto www.bis.org -Bogger (talk) 08:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * reFill is a wrapper of Citoid. I suggest you report at The Wikipedia Library/Citoid. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

(bug) changed dead url to soft 404 url in ref
changed url to landing page. source text copy pasted from Adrienne Haan. it also contains template dead link in original article. i dont understand why this edit occured. <_> jindam, vani (talk) 14:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Broken again
Looks like this is broken again. It was working earlier today, but I've just made two or three attempts to run something through it but without success. I'm getting the egg timer and "Waiting for an available worker" messages. This is Paul (talk) 15:37, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like it got fixed. Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 15:45, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

What is RFLe9LFR
I'm having trouble with Pyramid (magazine) it's flagging up bare urls with RFLe9LFR. What does this mean? Sciencefish (talk) 10:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it is a marker it uses while processing the page. If you look at the result you will find that there are no changes made. Keith D (talk) 17:56, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

3 April
Is there a problem with reFill as I just keep getting the error message "Failed An error has occurred.", latest article tried is Dennis Skinner. Keith D (talk) 11:01, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Same, tried multiple pages.-- Auric   talk  11:36, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It turns out that there is scheduled maintenance taking place on Toolforge today. I wasn't aware of it, but I've now subscribed to a mailing list to be aware of any future scheduled downtime. Today's downtime is an NFS migration, which began at midnight UTC and may run on as long as 1900 UTC. During this period, Toolforge is read-only causing tools that write a log file to fail. The existing NFS is running on aged hardware, and will be moved to a virtual server. "To improve this we are moving NFS to a cinder+VM platform which should support easier upgrades, migrations, and expansions in the future. In order to maintain data integrity during the migration, the old server will need to be made read-only while the last set of file changes is synchronized with the new server. Because the NFS service is actively used, it will take many hours to complete the final sync." Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * FWIW, this was the notification! Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, missed that one, but probably would not expect it to affect the tool. Keith D (talk) 20:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Should be all done and dusted now. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:18, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Still active?
Is this tool still relevant? I saw that not all wiki languages are in the list of reFill page on toolforge. What needs to be done to add certain wiki to it? Zygimantus (talk) 20:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It is certainly still relevant and very widely used. The project could do with more volunteers with development skills. If you're inquisitive enough to have been looking on toolforge, perhaps you're the kind of person who could help? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:03, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have IT background, but not sure how can I help or how can I even start contributing to toolforge. Zygimantus (talk) 20:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Big Page Backend Problem
Is there a way to give reFill 2 a helping hand when it tries to parse pages with lots of references, like this one? DarklitShadow (talk) 22:30, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * not that I know of. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've gotten 'error' (as opposed to 'success') when it tries to parse 600 references as a task. I can't be sure but I don't think I've noticed this happening with fewer than 150-200 refs.
 * DarklitShadow (talk) 02:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Help needed
Hello anybody hanging around who might be able to take a look at the tool? Don't know what I am doing wrong, but when entering an article name, on the right hand side the wordt arrow forward pops up. Don't know what to think of these magical words. Thank you so much for your time. Lotje (talk) 16:26, 15 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Just mentionning: it's up and going again Lotje (talk) 04:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The Cloud Services Team did some maintainance on 15 May that was not expected to involve any downtime but did not go as expected and some some toolforge nodes were affected with some processes hung and needed to be restarted. See . Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:26, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Add code to reFill 2 to common.css
Can you add reFill 2 to common.css? Aaron106 (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Seems to be down again
If anyone has any ideas about how to get this wonderful app working again. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging, who seems to know more than most of us. Sundayclose (talk) 15:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Still working on this. in Portugal gave me some help this evening, but I am hoping  will be around tomorrow. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Can you add support for other Wikipedias?
ReFill points to this page for requests to add support for other Wikipedias. I'd gladly help with a few, but need to know if such requests are now accepted, and what I can help with. We can start with hrwiki (CS1 module+templates), adding bs/sh/sr-wiki should then be easy. Thnx, Ponor (talk) 05:07, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Anyone? – Silence is still a noise. Ponor (talk) 21:22, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Anyway... https://refill.toolforge.org/ng/ seems to work for all languages. Ponor (talk) 17:22, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

"Do not remove link rot tags", and a tangent
What's the reason this option isn't the default and must be manually selected? I'm sure there must be a reason why this behaviour is desired but link rot tags seem helpful for identifying sources that should be updated.User:Curb Safe Charmer, we interacted recently at the MfD relating to the ReferenceExpander script, and I had no idea you were a primary maintainer of ReFill. I appreciate how much more thorough your documentation is in warning users that the script's output may not be perfect, and I think there are a few easy improvements that can be made downstream of Citoid in any automated reference tool that calls it, like truncating title parameters at the first ndash or pipe (which your documentation calls a "known issue"). Is there a good place to discuss that? I'm trying not to be a jerk and feel like I'm failing. Folly Mox (talk) 03:18, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I stepped in to this role because the developer of reFill retired from Wikipedia leaving nobody else with access to the back-end and active tools should not be in that position. At the time it was hanging frequently and nobody knew why. As a heavy user of reFill, I thought I should do something about it, so I gained access to the back-end and code repo and liaised with the right people to get that issue resolved. While I class myself as a software developer it is on a different technology stack, and I have found that there are too many moving parts for me to get up to speed on, especially given the demands of my day job. While I still have a role to play with reFill, we really need more developer resource on it. A handful of people have shown an interest but ultimately not stayed the course. Unfortunately this is the nature of Wikipedia being a volunteer project. People have 'real lives' and do need to step away for one reason or another. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 04:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I remember having a real life. Good times. No worries then. I know tone doesn't come across in text-based communication, so I'll append that I'm being genuine and appreciate your efforts. Folly Mox (talk) 04:43, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

pulitzer.org links broken
Links to pulitzer.org are broken badly see this edit. Apparently this garbage was noticed and has been annoying an admin for a while but they had not found a way to report. It is a damn mess and any tool that breaks a ref is not good, I had just not noticed. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 21:48, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about me, I know how to report the crap that is produced by this tool but have given up doing so because no one is maintaining it. Nor, apparently, is anyone maintaining the citoid tool that feeds crap to refill. For example, using RefToolbar to auto-fill a  template from a 'good' pulitzer url creates this mess:
 * Nothing to do with refill. Pulitzer.org is written in some sort of code that cannot be deciphered by citoid.  The value that should go in title is   but if you look at the pulitzer.org html page source, that text does not appear anywhere so the 'pulitzer-problem' is not confined to refill but can also be attributed to citoid and whatever translator it uses to read the pulitzer.org web pages.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Nope, I was not talking about you. Looking at the source not surprised some tools get it wrong. If we don't have the people to fix we should at least be able to get an ignore list implemented, or if this is happening enough shut down the tool. Not breaking links should be the first concern. I keep meaning to help out with the tools, but just don't have the time (yet). Also I'm already juggling too many languages and technologies in the day job to get into more. KylieTastic (talk) 22:29, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There was a burst of activity on this repo a couple weeks ago by @Curb Safe Charmer and @SD0001. Hopefully we can keep the momentum. There's a lot that needs fixing behind the scenes though. They're using multiple repos, multiple bug trackers, and multiple branches. I think that tech debt needs to be paid off before we can get a good velocity with bug fixes. I'll make some Phab tickets. – Novem Linguae (talk) 00:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Since that burst of activity I've been flat out at work to meet a deadline so haven't had any time to move forward on moving all open issues to Phabricator. I would hope to be able to do that at the end of this week or early next week.
 * Regarding this specific issue, I suspect it needs a Zotero translator written for it. My view is that tools like reFill that use Citoid shouldn't be the place to implement site-specific functionality; instead that should be done upstream by the Citoid project or by creating a translator. My rationale is that there are so many sites on the Internet and some don't use metadata properly - this project doesn't have capacity to deal with that scale. Even if it did, it would be duplicating effort if every tool that consumes Citoid had to implement such workarounds. Citoid is WMF-maintained, so they are better placed than a volunteer project. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The vast number of work-arounds that CitationBot implements is annoying. But, it is a Bot, and ReFill is a tool. The bot just rejects a lot of Citoid data, including good data, just to be safe.  AManWithNoPlan (talk) 13:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed, if the issue is with Citoid (and I've just verified the RefToolbar also mungs the output) then the problem should be raised there. Although I still think maybe having an ignore list feature with the list stored on-wiki for easy updating would be useful for short term issues. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 14:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Citoid is WMF-maintained. Citoid is giving some hints that it's unmaintained. For example, it has been undergoing code stewardship review since 2021. However I think I recall that works on Citoid sometimes? – Novem Linguae  (talk) 18:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I recently spent 3 days cleaning up after reFill (mostly), which had been adding the domain-squatter hugedomains.com into thousands of pages over many years. Yeah ideally Citoid should filter these things, but it doesn't, probably because the WMF doesn't make content decisions. So we take ownership for doing what we can do. I removed all these links and added it to the WP:SBL so when reFill tries to edit with that domain again, it will get blocked from the page. - Green  C  20:40, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks for doing that. I took a look at some of those articles to see if we needed to remind specific editors that are using reFill that they are responsible for their edits made using the tool. The first few I looked at were to Fairfield Materials Management Ltd by  on 22 October 2020‎,  to Larry Wright (street drummer) by  on 4 February 2018 and  to Jamil Alibekov by  on 11 March 2023. MarnetteD was also responsible for  to West Park, Darlington on 13 October 2021. There was also an edit by someone since blocked as a sockpuppet - but it was interesting that four out of the five edits I looked at were by very experienced, prolific editors. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:14, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What it tells us is that "responsible for their own edits" very often doesn't work out. This is why tools and bots needs to be super accurate by being continually maintained and updated.   --  Green  C  11:59, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I found about 46 that still need to be fixed ... Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * done - KylieTastic (talk) 13:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I found about 46 that still need to be fixed ... Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * done - KylieTastic (talk) 13:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
Hi, I'm getting the above message when I try to run this bot. I'm editing with Chrome. Can anyone help? Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 18:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * there appears to be a general problem with all toolforge hosted tools. See WP:VPT. Keith D (talk) 21:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ok thanks, I'll take a look. This is Paul (talk) 21:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This should be resolved now after the service was restarted by . Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I've just run a few articles through it and all is working good now. This is Paul (talk) 18:30, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Developers needed!
I'd like to appeal again to users of reFill - if you have developer skills in JavaScript or Python, or experience with Kubernetes, please consider volunteering some of your time as a maintainer of this project. Please message me directly for details. Thanks! Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 05:13, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, any angel hanging around willing to take a look at this wonderful magical tool? Looks like it is in need of a small push Thank you every so much for your time. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Huzzah, huzzah, reFill is back Thanks to the Angel(s) Lotje (talk) 09:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed! Now we just need to work out why it has suddenly started working again. As far as I know, none of the maintainers (of which we have a new one as of today, welcome !) has changed anything, although I did merge a change that a new contributor on GitHub called GlazerMann made, but I don't think that's related. Anyone know GlazerMann's Wikipedia account name? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Glad to see it's back — I very quickly took a look last night and restarted some pods/the webservice. The originally targeted Python version (in the service manifest file, refill-api) is no longer supported, so I bumped this to  (and I think the same applies for the targeted PHP version in refill...?) — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 11:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks very much Sammy and it is great to know that you're still around and are willing to use your skills and knowledge to benefit reFill. It was only today reading your blog that I became aware of the drama you've been through. Sending positive thoughts... Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, sorry it took a moment to look at (and 100% agree that more developers are needed! Where possible, never rely on one or two volunteers — the more the merrier!) — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 12:20, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Error on dead links
Hi, when creating archive links, archiveurl=, it's also creating deadurl=yes, which is a deprecated parameter, and therefore errors. Please replace with |url-status=dead. Thanks for setting up the tool, I use it loads, Tom B (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks Tom, this is known about, and once we've got our house in order this will get fixed at last. I will archive this thread for now. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:48, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Bare link to PDF removed
Irreligion in Turkey (Diff 1186450098)@Egeymi?Deleted a bare link reference to https://minorityrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/MRG_Rep_Turk2007_TURK.pdf. (which is a working link) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think must have removed that by hand, at the same time as adding the tag about dmy dates, as when I run reFill over the same content in my sandbox, reFill doesn't remove the bare ref. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes I did remove it manually, because it was redundant and bare. --Egeymi (talk) 16:14, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Egeymi, thanks, that clears that up. (makes me wonder why you used reFill at all?) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 06:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because it's a perfect tool to remove bare urls, but not help for PDF sources. Now I wonder why you asked me this. I've been using reFill since November 2022 to remove bare urls. I mean I didn't use it only for the page you mentioned. --Egeymi (talk) 07:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Egeymi, I don't follow you around so I wouldn't know. I recently edited the article in question so it was on my watchlist. It's just that  looked kinda odd to me, but I think I understand it now. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 07:40, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

504 Gateway Time-out
It always seems to be me that discovers these lately. The above message is appearing whenever the bot is run. Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 12:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm taking a look now. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:12, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ok cheers, This is Paul (talk) 12:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ running   on the frontend seems to have worked. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Backend error
Not sure what one is, but it's showing up when I run the programme. There's a red symbol that looks a bit like the outline of a cloud with a line through it. The error doesn't occur with every article. For example, I had success running REFILL through 2023 in British music and 2023 in England, but it produced the error with 2023 in United Kingdom politics and government and 2023 in the United Kingdom. This is Paul (talk) 15:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if there's a hard limit but the error will be because of the extreme number of references on those particular articles. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The size of the article did occur to me as a possible explanation, but 2023 in the United Kingdom was recently shrunk by a quarter (including the removal of around 200 references) when the deaths section was hived off to a new article, and it worked without a glitch up until today. From the articles I've put through REFILL this evening it seems to be anything over about 200K that's failing. This is Paul (talk) 18:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Translation of "cite web" parameters
Is there a way to use reFill on a non-English wiki and have the "cite web" template translated into the selected language? I work on it-wiki, and this tool is very useful, but it would be even more complete if the generated "cite web" template had the parameter names translated into the language of the page (e.g., for Italian: "cita web" instead of "cite web", "titolo=" instead of "title="...). I've tried to translate them manually on the translatewiki project, but these strings are not inserted for translation. RiccardoFila (talk) 20:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You might look into adapting Cite web/Italian or Spanish on it.WP. It was created here so that editors could copy and paste templates like cita web directly from other Wikipedias and have the parameter names translated. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Titles getting cleared randomly
References filled by reFill getting cleared randomly in subsequent run of the tool.

This happens frequently on this page.

List of Malayalam films of 2023 - Wikipedia

Anish Viswa  13:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Removal of all relevant information
I stumbled upon a couple of edits like The Queers (Diff ~947631361).<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>This is hopefully not happening anymore?<span id="Alexis_Jazz:1700307494175:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNReFill" class="FTTCmt"> — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Alexis Jazz. Can you clarify what is wrong with that particular diff? Maybe I'm dense but I don't see the error right off the bat. – Novem Linguae (talk) 02:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Novem Linguae, the original URL was www.chartattack.com/news/53698/the-queers-to-drop-live-album-recorded-at-cbgb which is clearly supposed to link to some article. It was not archived, but entering this URL in the Wayback Machine gives you some redirects to www.chartattack.com, the homepage. ReFill changed the URL to the homepage (that's virtually always useless) and set the title to the title of the homepage: "Chart Attack - Best Magazine 2020". As of 2018 Chart Attack is defunct, whoever owns the domain now has nothing to do with the original publication. The original URL held some relevant information in the sense one might try to use it to track down the original article somehow. (in case the URL scheme changed or they moved to another domain or something) Reducing that to a link to a homepage just isn't helpful.<span id="Alexis_Jazz:1700368611990:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNReFill" class="FTTCmt"> — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 04:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Citoid is in the way you describe. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:04, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Curb Safe Charmer, thanks. That's unfortunate. Can't the user at least be warned before changing a deep link to a homepage link?<span id="Alexis_Jazz:1700516117120:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNReFill" class="FTTCmt"> — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I suggest you take it up with Wikimedia Foundation-maintained Citoid project. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * T351694<span id="Alexis_Jazz:1700556347474:Wikipedia_talkFTTCLNReFill" class="FTTCmt"> — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 08:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Tool not working
The bot seems to be stuck this morning. Can someone please raise the issue (assuming I am not alone in this). Thanks, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * seems fine to me? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have just tried it again and it worked OK. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Time Out Error
Just a heads up of a problem that's occurred this evening. The bot appears to have stopped rendering bare URLs, and I've been getting an "error-type-ReadTimeout" error for the last half an hour or so. Apologies if you're already aware of the error. This is Paul (talk) 22:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've had the same problem for the last few hours. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Me, too. I don't know whether this is pertinent or not, but I notice that all the sites have pop-ups asking to confirm that I accept cookies.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:30, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * About the same time, the autofill for templates like cite web also stopped working. Not sure if it is related, but it's a curious coincidence.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I have just tested reFill on a page and it worked fine - can you confirm whether or not you are still seeing an error? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know what magic you did, but I just tried it with César Muñoz Arconada and it seems to have worked fine. Well done!--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't change / fix anything... Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It worked for me this afternoon. This is Paul (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Seems to work this morning, thanks. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:30, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

504 Gateway Time-out
Tool seems to be down again. I've been getting a "Webservice request timed out" error for the past hour or so. it seemed to be working ok before 9pm GMT. Cheers, This is Paul (talk) 22:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

RTÉ News links
I'm not sure if here is the place to mention this, but I wanted to bring attention to a potential issue with pages from the website https://www.rte.ie/news/. When run through the bot they are rendered as cite journal links rather than cite web, which creates an error as the site does not appear with the parameter journal=. I hope this makes sense and that someone could take a look. Cheers, This is Paul (talk) 14:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Diff. – Novem Linguae (talk) 14:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Adding pages to Category:CS1 errors: unsupported parameter
See this diff. ReFill keeps adding |deadurl=y to citations, which causes a CS1 error. It should use |url-status=dead instead. :Jay8g [ V•T•E ] 19:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is one of the known issues of the tool. A fix is available but needs deploying. Keith D (talk) 01:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Please stop adding dx.doi.org links
The tool adds url=https://dx.doi… links to templates with DOIs. Since most of these are not free, it is misleading to title link them. If anything, these links should be removed not added. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 12:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

More wikis supported?
Hi. Are yiu going to support more language wikipedias? Thanks Xia talk to me  17:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Configure to autorun in a page
Is there any option or Bot to configure to autorun this tool on a certain article and publish the updated article? <span style="font-family:monotype corsiva; color:#2554c7; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold; letter-spacing:1px; font-style: italic; background-color:#ffe87c; text-align:center; margin:0px;">Anish Viswa  06:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No. But you could develop something using the API. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If you do, remember that you are responsible for each edit. This tool makes many errors; each edit needs to be inspected by a human before the change is saved. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:25, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Pending
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news again, but the bot appears to be down. I've been getting the Pending "waiting for an available worker" message since around 2pm UTC this afternoon. As always, apologies in advance if you're already aware of any problems. Cheers, This is Paul (talk) 17:44, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Seems to be fixed now, so huge thanks to whoever did that. This is Paul (talk) 18:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

We had the same again today, and Sammy investigated and was able to restart it after making a configuration change. You can take a look at the technical details if you are interested. We might want to change which scheduler the backend uses, going forward. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Pending again
Just a heads up, refill has been down for almost an hour. Says "pending: waiting for an available worker". Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 14:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, refill is still down and the same pending message is appearing.Skilgis1900 (talk) 15:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The tool is still not working today. The note at the top of the page states "If the tool is stuck displaying "waiting for an available worker", and you have a Phabricator login, then you can use this link to raise a report to get it restarted". That is fine, but I do not have a Phabricator login.  Can anyone help us with this, please ?  Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I just did that, see: . Best regards, Redalert2fan (talk) 12:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've seen the Phabricator report now, thanks, and have tried the obvious things. Hoping @TheresNoTime will take a look. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks from me as well. This is Paul (talk) 14:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * it is working again now - can't say why! Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hate to report bad news. I used it once an hour ago and it worked perfectly. Then I went to use it again moments ago and it is now back to "pending: waiting for an available worker" status.Skilgis1900 (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I used it last at 20:47 UTC, then tried to do something else at 21:00 and it was kaput. Hopefully it rights itself again. This is Paul (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I just used it again and it's working fine now. This is Paul (talk) 22:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Outage
== reFill is down at the moment (16 April) ==

Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

UTF-8 Character Issues
After noticing odd character combinations appearing in references from time to time, such as â€™ appearing in place of ', I found that the errors were known as Mojibake, a character conversion error (common examples listed here). After determining how the errors were introduced into articles, I found that they occurred in edits that used Reflinks and ReFill. Is this something that could be fixed? CoolieCoolster (talk) 01:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please could you provide some example Wikipedia articles where this has happened, ideally as diffs? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Here, here, here, here, and here are examples. Each of those edits updated a reference title using â€™ in place of '. CoolieCoolster (talk) 09:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)