Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Afghanistan/Archive 3

Reassess Afghan Wireless?
Hey guys, I've done a major overhaul on Afghan Wireless in the past year. Would somebody re-assess the article and give me some feedback on it? I'd love to expand it further but I think I need someone with specialist knowledge to point me towards some sources. Thanks!  A  Train talk 00:13, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks good! I've assessed it as B-class. --Cerebellum (talk) 21:30, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Afghanistan

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 12:54, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Pashto spelling of Red Group (Sara Kheta, Taliban Special Forces)
Could a Pashto speaker please visit Red Group and provide the Pashto spelling for the Sara Kheta unit of the Taliban? Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:51, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Sanctions against Afghanistan
I don't have the subject matter expertise to review Draft:Sanctions against Afghanistan. Could somebody take a look at it and leave comments? -- RoySmith (talk) 00:57, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
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Saandi / Sadozai / Sadduzai
Could someone please cast an eye over Saandi (Baloch tribe)? The article has been called "Sadozai" for years, but last year the text was rewritten to say "Saandi" and the page itself was renamed a few weeks ago. At Wikidata, the English label was recently changed from "Sadozai" to "Sadduzai". I'm not familiar with the subject matter and there are no references for me to follow up. Can we reach a consensus about the correct name? Are these all valid aliases? Are there any references available? Thanks, Bovlb (talk) 23:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Karim Asir
I would need help at the newly created Karim Asir. Bus stop (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format
An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation). Cheers, Number   5  7  15:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Great source on Firozkoh, lost city near Jam - former summer capital of Ghurid Dynasty
I just found this book chapter, "Firuzkuh: Summer Capital of the Ghurids" has sensational detail about the city. The wiki page is here and could use expansion, especially on such an interesting topic. I plan to go through it and add a bunch of material over the next week, but if anyone else wants to help, here's the link and here's the citation.

Let me know if you know of any other sources as well! Ganesha811 (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Popular pages
Greetings, On the Assessment page, I added a section for "Popular pages", a bot-generated list of pageviews, useful for focused cleanup of frequently viewed articles. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:23, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Islamic State of Afghanistan
Hi there, I wanted to find if it is good to change the current infobox in the Islamic State of Afghanistan to the one below.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mir Almaat 1 S1 (talk • contribs) 07:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Abdul W. Haqiqi


The article Abdul W. Haqiqi has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Does not meet WP:GNG. I could only find trivial mentions saying he is an author and economist. Additionally, fails WP:AUTHOR parts 1,2,3,4. His contributions are not significant enough. Please leave a note on the article talk page if you disagree, and explain why. Note: the article was created by a WP:SPA"

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Article tab, updated
Greetings - For WP Afghanistan, I added progression, pie chart, rainbow & wikilinks "Quality operations" and "Popular pages". JoeNMLC (talk) 12:48, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 13:22, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

President's page needs vandalism protection
The page for the President is getting a lot of vandalism. I started a discussion on the talk page, but I need an administrator to add extended confirmed protection. Irtapil (talk) 09:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You could try WP:RFP. -- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 11:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Afghanistans geographic position
There is currently a talk/discussion going on with an Indian user who wants to add Afghanistan to the article of the Indian subcontinent, some of you might be interested in participating and contributing in the talk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Indian_subcontinent#Afghanistan --Xerxes931 (talk) 15:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 19:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Meaning of the term Hindu kush
There is currently a discussion about the meaning of the term Hindu Kush going on, despite all the major modern and historic sources, as well as a basic Persian dictionary stating the term to mean "Hindu-Slayer", a few offended people and others not knowing much about the topic want to remove the name from the lead. Would love to hear you guys opinion about this by leaving a message on the talk page there too! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hindu_Kush#Comments_by_other_editors --Xerxes931 (talk) 15:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Danre98  This might be interesting for you as well --Xerxes931 (talk) 15:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Member inactivity
When should we move members from the active to semi-active section on the members list? I was thinking 1 year (as that is when you get desysoped for inactivity).-- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 05:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Clarification: removed after 1 year with no edits. -- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 19:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm implementing this as it seems uncontroversial, and nobody opposed. -- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 01:31, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Revamp
Recently I've created an guideline on Afghan districts and a new article feed. Both would benefit from others helping out, but the feed especially could use work.

I propose adding five new tabs to the template Wikipedia:WikiProject Afghanistan/Template:afghan-start and removing three tabs:
 * Add "Recognized content" (GAs, FAs, DYKs, etc. using the User:JL-Bot/Project content template
 * Add "Requested articles" (from the current articles tab, a transclusion of Requested articles/Afghanistan, and a transclusion of Requested_articles/Biography/By_nationality)
 * Add "Assessment", which is our current WP:WikiProject Afghanistan/Assessment page merged with the stuff at the top of the article tab.
 * Add "New articles" from the new articles feed referenced above
 * Add "Article alerts" from WP:WikiProject Afghanistan/Article alerts
 * Remove "Articles" and tag as historical
 * Remove "Categories", put them under a section of the main WikiProject page titled "WikiProject Categories", and tag as historical.
 * Remove "Guidelines" and stick them under the resources section on the main page. Tag page as historical.

Thoughts? -- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 02:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Could you all please take a look? You three were the people listed under "active members" and had made ~10 edits in the past month. Pinging as (1) nobody responds to anything here and (2) this is the sort of thing I need to make sure I'm not screwing up before I do it. -- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 20:04, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I've created a sandbox for the template showing what I'm thinking at WP:WikiProject Afghanistan/Template:afghan-start/sandbox.-- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 20:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Go for it! --Cerebellum (talk) 10:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Really appreciate your work, go ahead and publish them!--Xerxes931 (talk) 14:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Women in Red Asian women contest
From 1 October to 31 December, Women in Red is running a virtual contest on Asian women. In November, this will coincide with Wikipedia Asian Month. We look forward to strong participation from all those interested in improving coverage of Afghan women.--Ipigott (talk) 19:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * In my humble opinion, we need more articles on Afghan men than women. That issue is, in my opinion, caused by a lack of Afghan editors and projects like Women in Red (please don't stop). The lack of Afghan editors or editors interested in Afghanistan is an issue that needs to be solved. -- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 21:59, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there, . You are of course welcome to create bios of Afghan men too but I'm not at all sure you are right that there are already too many articles about women. If, for example, you look at the stubs, you'll see there are far more men than women, ditto Pashtun people. Anyway, I hope very much you'll take part in our contest. You obviously are an expert on Afghanistan.--Ipigott (talk) 09:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point. I had mostly formed my opinion through going unassessed Afghanistan articles and not all Afghanistan articles. I'd also disagree that I am an expert on Afghanistan. -- Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 20:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Indian subcontinent
A complex RfC is going on. Uninvolved editors needed at the discussion. Aditya (talk • contribs) 06:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Help Needed
I need someone to pronounce اوږد in the Wardak dialect [with foucs on ʝ] so I can upload it to the dialects page. Also from the Wardak dialect pronouncing any words with ږ ښ. If you speak any other dialect upload any words with ښ ږ څ ځ ژ. If you upload the file on Wikimedia Commons and post it to my talk page specifying - I will add it to the dialects page. Its to raise awareness on Pashto dialects

PashtoAdder4 (talk) 20:52, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Indian subcontinent
There is a discussion on the talk page about a disputed sentence. Is it possible for members of this project to make a comment there? Aditya (✉ • ⚒) 03:04, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Category:Former Countries of Afghanistan
Hello! A recent CfD decided to merge Category:Former Countries of Afghanistan to Category:Former countries in Central Asia and Category:History of Afghanistan. That means replacing the old category with one of these or possibly something else. Mergers like these are best carried out by someone familiar with the subject matter so it would be great if someone here could help out. When you're done you can either ping me or nominate the category for deletion with. Thanks! --Trialpears (talk) 13:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol

 * New Page Patrol needs experienced volunteers
 * New Page Patrol is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles, including Afghanistan related articles. We could use a few extra hands on deck if you think you can help.
 * Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines ; Wikipedia needs experienced users to perform this task and there are precious few with the appropriate skills. Even a couple reviews a day can make a huge difference.
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Most-viewed stub article within this Wikiproject
Layla Alizada	24,141	804	Stub--Coin945 (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Afghan situation map RFC
An RFC has been opened on the subject of whether or not a live military situation map of the war in Afghanistan that is partly sourced to the Taliban should be included on EN Wiki. The RFC can be seen here.FOARP (talk) 09:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive adding of the Nastaliq writing style
This user is adding the Nastaliq writing style, which is not the common script in Afghanistan, nor does it meet the standards of Persian script on WP, on every single Afghanistan-related article. I tried reverting a few but they are way too much to do it all by myself, if anyone can help out and restore all the articles I would really appreciate it --Xerxes1985 (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sorry, I do not have time to give you a detailed write up on the history of the use of Nastaliq script in Afghanistan. It's very common on book covers and the introduction section of books written in Farsi and Pashto. As you can see, I am only including the Nastaliq script in the introductions and infoboxes (kind of like the "book cover" of the page, if you will). Can you read Farsi and/or Pashto? Do you read books in those languages? As an example, take a look at some of the books on Ahmad Shah Durrani. Note that the books below are written in both Farsi/Dari and Pashto. Pay special attention to the picture of the book covers on each one, it will give you a better understanding and increase you in knowledge.

https://shahmbookco.com/product/%d8%b4%d8%a7%d9%87-%d9%86%d8%a7%d9%85%d9%87-%d8%a7%d8%ad%d9%85%d8%af-%d8%b4%d8%a7%d9%87-%d8%af%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86%db%8c/

https://shahmbookco.com/product/%d8%a7%d8%ad%d9%85%d8%af-%d8%b4%d8%a7%d9%87-%d9%88%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%ab-%d9%88-%d9%85%d8%ac%d8%af%d8%af-%d8%a7%d9%85%d9%be%d8%b1%d8%a7%d8%aa%d9%88%d8%b1%db%8c-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%ba%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%b3%d8%aa/

https://shahmbookco.com/product/%d8%af%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86%db%8c-%d8%a7%d8%ad%d9%85%d8%af-%d8%b4%d8%a7%d9%87%d8%8c-%da%86%d8%a7%d9%be-%da%a9%d8%a7%d8%a8%d9%84/

https://shahmbookco.com/product/%d8%aa%d8%a7%d8%b1%db%8c%d8%ae-%d9%85%d9%82%d8%a7%db%8c%d8%b3%d9%88%db%8c-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%ba%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%b3%d8%aa%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a7%d8%b2-%d8%a7%d8%ad%d9%85%d8%af-%d8%b4%d8%a7%d9%87-%d8%a7%d8%a8/

https://shahmbookco.com/product/%d8%a7%d8%a8%d8%af%d8%a7%d9%84%db%8c%d8%a7%d9%86-%d9%82%d9%86%d8%af%d9%87%d8%a7%d8%b1-%d9%82%d8%a8%d9%84-%d8%a7%d8%b2-%d8%a7%d8%ad%d9%85%d8%af-%d8%b4%d8%a7%d9%87-%da%a9%d8%a8%db%8c%d8%b1/

https://shahmbookco.com/product/%d8%aa%d8%a7%d8%b1%db%8c%d8%ae-%d8%a7%d8%ad%d9%85%d8%af-%d8%b4%d8%a7%d9%87%db%8c/

https://shahmbookco.com/product/%d8%af-%d9%84%d9%88%db%8c-%d8%a7%d8%ad%d9%85%d8%af-%d8%b4%d8%a7%d9%87-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d8%a8%d8%a7-%d8%af%db%8c%d9%88%d8%a7%d9%86-%d9%85%d8%b4%d9%87%d9%88%d8%b1-%d9%be%d9%87-%d8%af%db%8c%d9%88%d8%a7/

It is a beautiful and calligraphic script that we will be taking advantage of using on pages regarding Afghans and Afghan history. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 20:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * User:WikiEditusername7 I can read and write in Pashto and Persian, as well as in many other languages, I’ve read and finished the Shahnameh in Persian when I was 11. The point is not wether it being used on book covers or artworks, but rather that this isn’t the standard way of writing the script down, especially not on Wikipedia. Most books are written in normal Perso-Arabic script, the calligraphic script you’re trying to add on everything is mostly only used for titles, artworks or other things, this is not the purpose of Wikipedia, it being “beautiful” per your standards also doesn’t matter here, the titles of historic books in Iran are also often written in calligraphic perso-arabic, yet the names aren’t written down with that script on WP, as those are not the standards of Wikipedia regarding this issue, I am sorry if I was being too harsh at first, but it’s a whole mess to fix all the articles now and I just wanted to make clear that this is not the way we write down Perso-Arabic script on Wikipedia. Just see all the Iranian and Persian related articles. --Xerxes1985 (talk) 22:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for changing your tone in this latest message, I appreciate that. I understand what you are saying. I agree, the bulk of every book written in Dari and Pashto is written in the standard Perso-Arabic script (with Pashto having additional few letters on top of it). I think the calligraphic script does make sense here though, as the lead section and the infobox are basically like the cover/intro of a book. One of my goals is to make all of the pages about Afghans/Afghanistan have more of a formal lead section and infobox, with the inclusion of Dari and Pashto language spelling for every entry, and the use of the Nastaliq script. I know this is Wikipedia English, but in my opinion using the calligraphic scripts it adds a hint of authenticity to these pages about Afghans/Afghanistan and differentiates them from pages about the Arab world, Indian subcontinent, etc. I don't think using the calligraphic script takes away from the quality, authenticity, or integrity of the page at all. Can we agree to just leave it on?

Also, may I ask why you keep replacing Dari with Persian? It is the standard name of the language (or dialect of Persian if you want) as defined by the state. For the sake of accuracy and sticking to the standards, we should be using Dari/Pashto for all articles about Afghans/Afghanistan. If the use of a regional language applies, we should use the regional language as well. For example, Nimruz. It's the only province in Afghanistan where the Baloch ethnic group are the dominant ethnic group. In this case it makes sense to use Dari/Pashto as well as Balochi as follows:

Pashto/Dari: ; Balochi:

In the case that the Dari spelling is different than the Pashto spelling, it makes sense to seperate them like in the example of Kunduz:

Dari:, Pashto:

What do you think?

P.S I don't plan on going to all Iranian/Persian related articles and doing this. Just Afghanistan.
 * JUST NO. What’s so hard to understand about this? You can’t just join Wikipedia and think you are allowed to change the whole standards for a script being used here, that’s not how this works, you also reverted everything back again without this discussion being close to consensus, all of what you said is literally just pure WP:OR. You are lucky I am very inactive lately, otherwise you would’ve been banned already, but if you don’t change your behavior it’s gonna happen sooner or later, be aware, I would advise you to just self revert yourself on all those edits. Xerxes1985 (talk) 15:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome back. First question, can you please show me where it says the the standard for the foreign language script that should be used on Wikipedia English pages about Afghanistan/Afghans (or Iran/Iranians for that matter) is the standard Perso-Arabic script, as opposed to Nastaliq or any other font/script? Second question, can you show me where you reached a consensus before you undid the changes I made in the first place? To be frank, I got the idea to use this script when I saw it on pages about Afghanistan/Afghans that were already using it. I did not add it to those pages, it was already there. So clearly, this “standard” about which script to use and which script not to use is non-existent. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @WikiEditUsername7 You are correct, there is no standard about how to include scripts (albeit some guidance at WP:NONENGLISHTITLE). However, just because there is no standard does not mean you should change every single Afghanistan article to include the script in the lead. You point out that Xerxes has no consensus when you don't have a consensus for your preferred version of articles either. I notice you are somewhat new to wikipedia: on wikipedia when two (or more) people disagree about content they either try to seek consensus (see WP:CON for more info) or go through dispute resolution (see WP:DR for more info). Continuing to add the script to articles when an editor has objected to adding them to articles seems disruptive and is not helping to seek consensus or resolve the dispute. I think you should stop adding the script to articles til we have consensus here or the dispute has been resolved. Adding the script to the lead sentence of all Afghanistan articles may very well be a good (or bad) idea but you need to make sure people are okay with it/get consensus if they raise an objection, which @Xerxes1985 did.
 * I recognize that you might have a good idea but stop until there is consensus for that change. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 00:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello. Apologies as I am just seeing this now. I just want to clarify one thing about these "edits" so you understand how insignificant they really are. For all intents and purposes, this is a font change... Not a font change for a whole page even, not a font change to half a page, not a font change to a section or to the whole infobox, but a font change for 3-4 words on an entire page (typically first name, middle name, last name, and sometimes a title).


 * Example:
 * vs کابل


 * I'm not sure if you can ready Arabic/Persian/Pashto/Urdu/etc scripts, but I want you to know that I am not changing the spelling, I'm not changing the language, I'm not changing the meaning, I'm not changing anything that affects the purpose or meaning whatsoever. I'm just changing the font.


 * I did not invent the Nastaliq option in Wikipedia and I was not the first to use it. As a matter of fact, many of the pages I have come across already included the native language spelling in Nastaliq. In addition to that, many of the pages I came across did not contain ANY native language spelling to begin with, and I was the one who added it. Are we really going to have to get a consensus on something as small as a font change for 3 words per page? How are we ever going to make any progress in improving these pages about Afghans/Afghanistan if we are going to have to go back and forth over something as trivial and miniscule as font... I'm spending hours and hours here making much needed edits to pages by updating populations, updating sources, archiving sources, adding historical context from primary sources, adding native language spelling in multiple languages, etc. and we are going to stop all that for something as simple as a disagreement by one user on font choice? WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @WikiEditUsername7: Thanks for your explanation of what you are doing. I'm not native to Afghanistan nor have I visited there or am affiliated with it in any way outside of Wikipedia, so that helped me. And you are correct, many edits are much needed that need doing. Too little editors regularly edit articles about Afghanistan.
 * However, I do think it is a good idea to stop using the script until there is consensus here. I think Xerxes1985 would have been reverting your additions of the script if they were more active, which would mean you would talk it out here with them to avoid an Edit War. Waiting til they can respond is best and lets them have a voice in the matter. Even if the changes were small this would be the case however you are proposing a change to our ~6k Afghanistan articles which makes your change big. We can make plenty of progress in Afghanistan articles while waiting for Xerxes to respond, like getting the governorships up to date, updating population numbers, adding native spelling (without using the Nastaliq script), etc.
 * I don't really have an opinion on whether it should be used- I'm not sure I have a font downloaded with nastaliq and therefore can't view it. To me, it just makes the text a little bit bigger. Just because it is used outside of Wikipedia in certain places does not mean it should be used inside wikipedia in certain places.
 * @Xerxes1985: Why do you think this shouldn't be used? You mentioned how it was not the standard way to display Persian on Wikipedia, which is true, but why do you think it shouldn't it be used in the lead of the article and the native spelling part of the infobox? Why shouldn't it be the standard? Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 22:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Danre98 Hello and thanks for your intervention here. The script itself is just a more artistic way to write something down, used in calligraphy or art works or book titles, as the examples which Wikieditusername7 provided, it is used on book covers for exmaple, but the book itself is written with normal basic Perso-Arabic script. All the Iranian articles are written with this standard script on WP as well since this is the way something in Persian is normally written down as well, why shoudl we create more distinctions which do not exist in first place? A example for the contrast would be Urdu, the national language of Paksitan, the standard way how Urdu is written down in books and in normal script is the Nastaliq style, there it is not restricted to art works or book covers, the lines in books are usually written down that way (Nastaliq) as well, hence why on Wikipedia text in Urdu is written down in Nastaliq as well. Other Persian or Pashto articles are not, since its not the standard script there. There is absolutely no reason for us to change all Afghanistan related articles to a script which is not even the standard script in Afghanistan either just because of the personal perference of a new disruptive user on Wikipedia. --Xerxes1985 (talk) 14:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * That's exactly the point. Nastaliq is in fact a Persian calligraphy. It was created by a Persian in the 14th-15th century, in modern day Iran. Why should it be relegated to only pages on figures/histories from the Indian subcontinent? It is a part of the larger Persian/Iranian heritage and we should be utilizing it and reclaiming it's use for the people/land who developed it.


 * Anyways, it looks like we still aren't in agreement and we likely won't be. I am willing to take a step towards @Xerxes1985 for the sake of reaching a consensus so that we can continue to make meaningful edits to the pages on Afghans/Afghanistan, which is what we both want at the end of the day. How about the below:


 * In the lead section, we will use the standard Perso-Arabic script
 * In the infobox, under the spelling of the name in English, we can include the native language spelling in Nastaliq


 * I think that is more than fair. Not every page about Afghans/Afghanistan has an infobox, so by default the majority of the non-english language script on pages regarding Afghans/Afghanistan will be in the default Perso-Arabic script. What do you all think @Danre98 @Xerxes1985 WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No, that would be more messy and in fact worse, as I said, this isnt about personal prefernece, it doesnt matter where the script style originated either, Wikipedia is not there to "reclaim" anything from Indians as Iranians/Iranics. If you want this to happen you have to convince all of Iranian and Afghan wikipedia (not just me) to change the script on every Persian-related article available, seriously there are more important things to do on Wikipedia as an Afghan, you should rather stick to them, where we can both work together for good as well, instead of something unnecessary like this which will anyways lead to nothing anyways --Xerxes1985 (talk) 00:24, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, I tried to find a middle ground so that we could reach a consensus. Looks like that is not going to work with @Xerxes1985. Clearly it's his way or the highway.


 * Also, can you please stop trying to make it sound like the script is not commonly used all over Iran and Afghanistan. I was literally watching the newly elected president of Iran Ebrahim Raisi speak a few weeks ago, and I couldn't help but notice the script behind him...


 * https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/462246/Raisi-says-his-election-as-president-sends-message-to-the-world


 * So please stop trying to make it seem like this is entirely my own personal preference, as if I am the only person in all of Afghanistan and Iran who uses the Nastaliq script. It is commonly used throughout the region. It is equally valid to use either script on pages about Afghans/Afghanistan. Since we clearly are not getting anywhere toward a consensus, despite my best efforts, I will have to continue with my work. I have taken a long unnecessary pause in editing to try to work with you and it has proven to be a complete waste of time. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I am unable to respond promptly as I am on vacation. I would suggest trying to go through dispute resolution (like going to the dispute resolution noticeboard). I don't think there's much to be gained by continuing to talk here. Danre98 (alt) (talk) 14:09, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Additional comment: Starting a RFC and asking the wider community what they think of adding the script to the lead/infobox of every Afghanistan article is also another option. Danre98 (alt) (talk) 14:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * User:WikiEditusername7 I warned you, you didn’t listen, now that you don’t reach consensus you think you can stubbornly go on with your crusade of adding whatever fits into your preferences to all Afghan articles ? You are lucky for now that I am inactive, but be sure, there is a lot of trouble waiting for you once I am gonna be back, you’re going to be reported as well. Xerxes1985 (talk) 21:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Seriously User:Xerxes1985? Go back and look at the edits I have made. I am adding valuable and well sourced content to the pages related to Afghanistan/Afghans. Because you don't like the font I am using for native language spelling, you think I am on a crusade and I'm pushing my own POV? Because you don't like the font I chose, you threaten me with being reported and banned? Please go ahead and report me, I'm begging you. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 21:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Clearly this is going nowhere. I (Danre98) plan on opening a discussion at the discussion resolution noticeboard tomorrow (in 24-36 hours) if neither of you wish to do it first. If one of you doesn't want to participate in a discussion there, I may start a WP:RFC in the interest of finding consensus and putting this to rest. Danre98 (alt) (talk) 22:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * That works with me. I honestly wish it didn't have to come to this but it seems like there is no other option. I even tried to meet Xerxes1985 halfway (more than halfway if we are being honest) for the sake of reaching consensus. I proposed that we use the default font in the lead section and the Nastaliq font in the infobox. Unfortunately, that was completely rejected without even a counter proposition for the sake of reaching a consensus. There has been no productive discussion with Xerxes1985 unfortunately. From the jump it has been nothing but hostility and threats of banning. You are absolutely correct Danre98, this is going nowhere... WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 01:24, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have requested dispute resolution at the dispute resolution noticeboard, see WP:DRN#WikiProject Afghanistan. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 01:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for requesting dispute resolution at the dispute resolution noticeboard on our behalf. And thanks for adding my signature back on the noticeboard as I did in fact remove that in error.

Thank you for taking the time and volunteering in order to help settle this dispute. I have never been involved in one of these before, so I am not sure how to proceed. However, I will say that I am not optimistic on reaching a resolution with Xerxes1985. As you have seen for yourself and noted on the dispute resolution noticeboard, Xerxes1985 has been aggressive and rude right from the get go. Xerxes1985 has threatened to report and ban me multiple times, for no reason whatsoever, throughout the course of this "discussion" on the talk page. Up until now, nothing has changed. Go and look at the last edit Xerxes1985 made on the noticeboard. Xerxes1985 added their own comments on a section clearly titled Summary of dispute by WikiEditUsername7. This is supposed to be a section for me and by me, where I can add my comments. When I removed Xerxes1985's comments and kindly asked Xerxes1985 to keep their comments on their own section aptly titled Summary of dispute by Xerxes1985, Xerxes1985 instantly reverted the edit and proceeded with the business as usual behavior of threatening me and my rights on WP again (see below)!


 * Xerxes1985 edit summary comment: "you’re risking your rights to edit on Wikipedia right now, you aren’t allowed to delete or move content of others"

So please forgive me for my lack of optimism, but so far nothing has changed. Anyways, I have already proposed a more than fair solution to this problem. In the lead section, we can use the default when using Pashto/Dari native language spelling. In the infobox, we can use Nastaliq when using Pashto/Dari native language spelling. What are your thoughts on this MrAgentSochi? For example, in the lead section of the page on Kabul we would use کابل and in the infobox we would use. While it makes more sense to use Nastaliq in both areas, I have proposed this for the sake of reaching consensus. Xerxes1985 has proposed nothing and has not budged at all from their position. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 22:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

New Population Numbers from the National Statistic and Information Authority (NSIA) of Afghanistan Are Available
Hello everyone!

The new projections for 2021-2022 have been published by the NSIA. You can find the full report below:

https://www.nsia.gov.af:8080/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Estimated-Population-of-Afghanistan1-1400.pdf

Let's get to work on updating the national and provincial numbers in regards to population. I've already started and completed this for Kunduz Province and Kabul Province. Would be great if I could get some help with the rest of the provinces/districts! If you make any edit, please put a check mark (✓) next to the province you updated so we can easily keep track of what still needs to be updated. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 21:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll start updating population numbers. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 23:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks @Danre88. Here is the reference you or anyone else can copy paste that has all the details including the archived link.
 * Now that this has been done I collapsed the checklist, if you object you can undo it. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 00:30, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * That works for me! Appreciate the help! Great teamwork! WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * 1) Badakhshan ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 02:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) Badghes ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 03:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) Baghlan ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 03:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) Balkh ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 13:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) Bamyan ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 13:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) Daykundi ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) Farah ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) Faryab ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 9) Ghazni ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 14:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 10) Ghor ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 14:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 11) Helmand ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 14:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 12) Herat ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 14:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 13) Jawzjan ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 14:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 14) Kabul ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 02:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 15) Kandahar ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 23:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 16) Kapisa ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 23:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 17) Khost ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 23:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 18) Kunar ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 23:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 19) Kunduz ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 02:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 20) Laghman ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 21) Logar ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 22) Maidan Wardak ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:26, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 23) Nangarhar ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 24) Nimroz ✓  Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 00:27, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 25) Nuristan ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 13:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 26) Paktia ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:00, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 27) Paktika ✓  WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 28) Parwan ✓  WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:19, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 29) Panjsher ✓  WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 30) Samangan ✓  WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 31) Sar e Pul ✓  WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:56, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 32) Takhar ✓  WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 33) Urozgan ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:13, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 34) Zabul ✓ WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 15:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Terrorist attack redirects
Hello, I have noticed that User:TompaDompa has redirected numerous terrorist attack articles this month, August 2021, including attacks that have occurred in Afghanistan. Many of the attacks killed dozens of people or more. If these attacks occurred in Western countries, they certainly would have independent articles. Redirecting the articles furthers a bias towards the West which is rampant on Wikipedia. Thriley (talk) 18:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa: I actually rather agree with you on the WP:Systemic bias issue (though I don't know if that's on Wikipedia or the sources – i.e. the news media). The reason I redirected these particular attacks is that the articles were stubs and the attacks were covered in other articles in about as much detail (or rather with more or less the same amount of quality content), making the stubs unnecessary WP:Content forks. If the articles can be expanded and reach a higher level of quality, I would of course be in favour of doing so rather than redirecting them, but having a large number of articles that could be summarized in a paragraph on a larger article is not in my opinion helpful – it just makes it more difficult to maintain the content. TompaDompa (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with much of this. I'd like to expand October 2020 Kabul suicide bombing (and agree that if it's not to be expanded, redirecting it is a good idea) and with the Puli Alam bombings I think redirecting (and modifying the article/list paragraphs/entries, which I can do) is a good idea. Thanks for responding! Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 20:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To elaborate a bit further: The way I see it, we shouldn't have terrorism stubs if the content can be included in an article with a broader scope. Nor should we have list articles or WP:Proseline articles (e.g. List of 2021 Afghanistan attacks or Boko Haram insurgency, respectively) if the content can be summarized—as opposed to enumerated—in prose form. In short, we shouldn't have articles of poor quality. A major part of the problem is that basing articles on news articles does not make for quality content, it (typically) makes for poorly-written, surface-level articles. Sometimes these articles can be salvaged by copyediting to bring them up to at least an adequate standard of quality—I brought 2001 bomb plot in Europe from this state to this state a few years ago, for example—but often the problem is that the sources that would be needed to create a quality article (let alone a high-quality article) simply don't exist. Ideally, we should be using secondary sources other than news media, such as scholarly journals or the work of recognized experts (to borrow a phrasing from a completely unrelated portion of WP:BLP), but the articles are of course usually written/updated when no such sources yet exist (and sometimes, those types of sources never materialize at all). I think we would be better off if we applied WP:NEWSEVENT much more strictly than we do at present, especially as it pertains to WP:DEPTH and WP:DURATION of coverage. TompaDompa (talk) 23:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Thriley: Yeah, I think there's merit in having one of those redirects (I counted 3 Afghanistan-related) as articles and I went ahead and merged one so as to not lose content. I didn't find too much coverage of it and thought it was more appropriate to cover within a separate article. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 20:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Diplomatic information across multiple Wikipedias
I tried to keep Template:Diplomatic missions of Afghanistan and Template:Diplomatic missions in Afghanistan up to date. If people would find it useful for other language Wikipedias, here is a SPARKL query of all Diplomatic missions inside Afghanistan and all Afghani diplomatic missions in other states. I don't know what to say, but am sorry this is all happening now and my heart is with everyone in Afghanistan right now. ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed modification to the member list
One year ago, I proposed that members should be moved to the less active section after one year of no edits (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Afghanistan/Archive 3). Now, I propose that members get moved to the former section instead of the less active section of the members list (I also would continue to notify editors that I have moved them, for an example see this edit). The less active section would continue to be used by editors that wish to be a part of this WikiProject but not as an active member. I thought I would post here and see if anyone had any thoughts as this would affect several (inactive) editors and their talk pages. I will leave this here for at least 7 days before doing anything. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 17:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Implementing. — Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 17:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Samangan
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Samangan that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 00:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

English-language writers on Afghanistan
This Twitter thread has a load of redlinked English-language scholars on Afghanistan: Khadija Abbasi, Jawan Shir Rasikh, Shahram Khosravi, Anila Daulatzai, Paniz Musawi Natanzi, James Caron, Saadia Toor, Julie Billaud, Ayesha Khan, Timothy Nunan, Sab Gul Khattak, Martin Sökefeld, Zuzanna Olszewska, Nichola Khan, Elaheh Rostami-Povey, Francesca Fuoli, Aziz Hakimi / Aziz A. Hakimi, Kaweh Kerami, Wazhmah Osman, Ceri Oeppen, Zarena Aslami, Ahmad Qais Munhazim, Shahzad Bashir (historian), Nivi Manchanda, Emran Feroz, Faiz Ahmed, Benjamin Hopkins / Benjamin D. Hopkins, Niamatullah Ibrahimi, Fatima Mojaddedi, Elisabeth Leake, Abubakar Siddique, Nushin Arbabzadah, Nassim Majidi, Thomas Ruttig, Jelena Bjelica, Munazza Ebtikar, Lida Amiri, Marya Hannun, Marjan Wardaki, Hakeem Naim, Sana Haroon, Ali A. Olomi. Dsp13 (talk) 10:15, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

RFC on Arabic Scripts
What Arabic scripts should be permitted in Afghanistan-related articles for the native forms of proper names? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * 1. Either the Nastaliq script or the Naskh script should be permitted.


 * 2. Only the Naskh script should be permitted.

Enter 1 or 2 with a brief statement in the Survey. Do not reply to the statements by other editors. The Threaded Discussion section is the place for back-and-forth discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Survey

 * Procedural/WP:CONLEVEL consideration : Robert, when asking such a question at a WikiProject for possible application across a wide swath of articles, it is kind of vital that you point out WP:Advice pages and how it applies here. By longstanding community consensus, confirmed in several notable ArbCom cases and codified in the above mentioned policies (particularly the latter), the editors at a WikiProject are strictly forbidden from coming up with an idiosyncratic approach to content issues for articles they perceive to be within the project's purview and then thereafter using the results of such discussions as an implied default "consensus" across all of those pages.  For one of many reasons why the community does not allow this, consider that there is a lot of overlap of WikiProject conceptual territory, and this would lead to endless bickering about which WikiProject's provenance (and thus rules) should be treated as more significant on a given article.


 * Now, if everyone here comes to a pretty strong consensus on the best approach to such situations as those pondered in the RfC prompt, by all means, you can coordinate with eachother under that assumption. But if you come to a page where there is pushback from other editors, you must still start the WP:LOCALCONSENSUS argument again from the ground up, and cannot reference any decision reached here as the binding default/consensus.  Many editors, especially newer ones, are confused by or even completely unaware of the Advice Pages standard, and the history of disruption that necessitated it, so this is an important distinction that everyone who comments here should keep in mind, both when it comes to considering their !vote and especially when it comes to applying the decided-upon strategy later. SnowRise let's rap 02:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Option 1: Per previous statements at WP:DRN, specifically: One might say that MOS:FONTFAMILY precludes [Nastaliq's] use, however I disagree. The stated reasons is that it interferes with Wikipedia's flexibility and it's impossible to forsee what fonts are installed. I'm not sure how using Nastaliq in a limited way would interfere with Wikipedia's flexibility and if the user does not have Nastaliq installed Naskh is shown instead- so not being able to predict whether the user has a Nastaliq font installed is not an issue. This is also different than using a different English font in Wikipedia articles- there is a history and a meaning behind different scripts. Urdu on Pakistan articles uses Nastaliq and part of the why behind it is that almost everything in Urdu is written in Nastaliq. My understanding (which could very well be wrong) is that in Dari (Afghan Persian) Nastaliq is used in some circumstances, like for poetry. Unfortunately I was unable to find a reliable source on how it is used in Afghanistan. Because it is used in some circumstances, I think it shouldn't be disallowed. However, I had no idea about the process of proposing something and how consensus here will not be binding. Perhaps the best way to move forward is to write a regional WP:MOS page, have an RfC there and advertise it on the main MOS talk page as this is a style issue, however I don't know if a minor issue on Nastaliq vs Naskh is worth having an MOS page over (adding to WP:MOSCREEP). That way we wouldn't be imposing a local consensus here on the community. I think the result of this should only be incorporated into a WikiProject Advice page. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 22:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note:Corrected to option 1, which I meant. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 13:37, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Option 1: The choice of which font to use is purely aesthetic, as far as I know there are no POV or nationalistic connotations of using Nastaliq. User:WikiEditUsername7 is correct that many pages such as Ferdowsi, Babur, Mahmud of Ghazni already used Nastaliq before he began editing, so it seems that the prevailing practice is that editors of a page can chooose which font to use. There's no compelling reason for us to change that and dictate the font per WP:MOSCREEP. If a reader doesn't like Nastaliq, they can just uninstall the font from their device and they will see Naskh. --Cerebellum (talk) 10:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Option 1: I agree 100% with User:Cerebellum and I also agree with User:Danre98 for the most part. Either should be permitted and the editor can choose whichever they like. This seems to have been the case historically, so in my opinion there is no need for change and restrictions to be applied here. Overall, I think this is a pretty minor issue and I don't think it needs to be addressed via an RfC on the WP:MOS page. AfgCric (talk) 19:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Option 2:The Nastaliq style is only officially used in Pakistan, nowhere else, hence why Pakistan-related articles are always using the Nastaliq style, while Afghanistan and Iran related articles never have usually never been using the Nastaliq style on Wikipedia, only on very rare occasion where IP’s or users like WikiEditUsername7 have inserted it, the article of Mahmud of Ghazni and Babur are examples of where Pakistani users have added it, for obvious reasons. In Afghanistan and Iran itself normal texts in a Book or official document are usually always written in the normal classical style, while Nastaliq is, at best, used for art, special short titles( for example book covers etc) or calligraphy at the very most. It has always been like this accordingly on Wikipedia as well, in Pakistan Nastaliq is used regularly for books and documents as well, hence why all Pakistan related articles have Nastaliq in them. A normal smartphone keyboard for Persian/Dari and Pashto has the classical script as well, not the Nastaliq one, furthermore every online newspaper article and regular online article in Farsi/Dari and Pashto is also always written in the classical way, on the other hand what kind of script is used on a smartphone keyboard for Urdu? Surprise, surprise, it’s the Nastaliq one. What script is used for newspaper or regular articles on Urdu online? Surprise, surprise, it’s Nastaliq. The problem with option two is that WikiEditUsername7 has literally been on a Nastaliq-crusade since he joined Wikipedia and edited every Afghan related article he came across to Nastaliq, despite me warning him multiple times and asking him to talk this out first, he will just continue this if we go with option 2. Xerxes1985 (talk) 13:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Option 1: This is an easy choice. As pointed out above by the other users, this has historically been the case. You can clearly see this by looking at the many pages I shared as examples, such as National Assembly of Afghanistan, Hotak dynasty, Kabul River, Ferdowsi, Mahmud of Ghazni, Ahmad Zahir, Afghan National Police, Persian alphabet, Babur, Nur Jahan, and the countless other pages. Despite what others have claimed, long before I ever joined Wikipedia, editors have always chosen to add native language spelling in either font. There is no reason for this to change or a need for it to be defined and/or regulated. Both fonts are used commonly throughout the country and the wider region. I have already shared links in previous discussion showing the use of Nastaliq in Afghan books, signs, TV, poetry, art, etc. Both fonts are in the same language, they use the same letters, they are spelled exactly the same, and they convey the exact same meaning. It is totally unnecessary to regulate this and limit it to one over the others. It would just create unnecessary roadblocks and lead to more and more disputes like these in the future. This is not a big deal. All of them are used in Afghanistan, all of them use native letters and spelling, and all of them convey the same meaning. Absolutely nothing of substance changes when you use Naskh vs Nastaliq vs Diwani vs Thuluth vs Reqa. Additionally, the guidance for use of foreign language is already clear per MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. Unfortunately, this entire ordeal has been a complete waste of time. I proposed a very neutral solution right from the start. We can use Naskh in the lead section and we can use Nastaliq in the infobox. This was promptly rejected by Xerxes1985 and they have shown since then that we cannot work together and reach a reasonable consensus. It's Xerxes1985's way or the highway. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 18:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Threaded Discussion
Note: Links to previous discussions: Talk page above, Dispute resolution noticeboard. Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 16:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

, Pinging users who may have an opinion on this, there is a lot of overlap between Iran/Afghanistan history so this effects them as well. --Cerebellum (talk) 10:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

RM Radio Kabul → Radio Afghanistan
An editor has requested for Radio Kabul to be moved to Radio Afghanistan. Since you had some involvement with Radio Kabul, you might want to participate in |the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Havelock Jones (talk) 21:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Remove the Taliban Flag for Sports Events that took place earlier
I don't particularly want to get into the debate of which flag should be used for sports teams/sporting events taking place currently, but there is absolutely no justification for using the Talibani flag for events such as the 1960 football Asian Cup qualification or the 2015 cricket World Cup. The Taliban flag was not used in these situations and the Taliban did not even exist during the former. Angele201002 (talk) 20:48, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Angele201002 The template controlling the Afghanistan flag templates, Country data Afghanistan, was recently updated to display the flag of the Taliban. If you use, you'll get the old flag: 🇦🇫. An effort to replace all preexisting usages of the Afghanistan flag with the 2013 version would be a good idea. — Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 21:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't believe I could do it, but maybe this wiki project could take this task on…Angele201002 (talk) 14:40, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Angele201002: Ideally, I agree, this wikiproject could/would run an effort to correct all the incorrect flags but I don't know if this project is active enough for that. The flags will probably be updated in time. — Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 00:47, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

RM: Maulwai Shar Ahmad Emar → Sher Ahmad Ammar
An editor has requested for Maulwai Shar Ahmad Emar to be moved to Sher Ahmad Ammar. Since you had some involvement with Maulwai Shar Ahmad Emar, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Havelock Jones (talk) 10:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Maulwai Shar Ahmad Emar
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Maulwai Shar Ahmad Emar that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. VR talk 12:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia podcast
Hi everyone,

I'm a podcast producer for a company in the UK and we're making a documentary series about Wikipedia. We've got an episode about how Wikipedia holds up as a breaking news source (whether it wants to be or not!) and how Wikipedians go about covering big events. I'd love to speak to someone who's been active on articles to do with what's going on in Afghanistan at the moment, whether you're in Afghanistan or surrounding countries, or further afield. I'd ask for a short research chat with the potential to do a recorded interview about how it all works. Please let me know if you'd be interested or if anyone you know would be a good fit. Thanks! Wearecrowd (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Although I have edited recent Afghanistan articles somewhat, I haven't really been active in the high traffic articles and regardless I'm not interested anyway myself. As for anyone else, nobody really comes to mind. — Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 21:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Wearecrowd: There really hasn't been much of a coordinated effort behind the Afghanistan articles. Generally several different editors create or expand information that they feel like is appropriate, usually extremely current events and information (as in trying to keep extremely up to date). Later, other editors remove information that is bad content, often because it is original research (when editors perform research instead of reporting what reliable sources have researched). Then a few discussions recurred a lot on the page for Afghanistan, like when to switch to the new flag and what should/shouldn't be said about the government.
 * There also aren't as many Afghanistan articles related to the current goings on as there should be and those that exist tend to be of poor quality; few editors regularly edit Afghanistan articles. Several editors edited Afghanistan article related to current events presumably because they saw Afghanistan in the news, but that is dying down. — Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 21:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Danre98: Sorry, I didn't see this response until now! No problem, thanks very much for letting me know. Wearecrowd (talk) 14:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Use of Flag in Infobox (Afghanistan country article)
As the use of flags in the infobox seems to be causing some disagreement on this talk page I think it would be useful to reach a consensus specifically on this issue.

Option A Continue using the flag of the Taliban

Option B Return to the tricolour of the deposed republic

Option C Use both

Option D Use neither

Note: This discussion has been going on for a while but now seems to be roughly half and half split between those supporting option A and those suggesting another option so additional comments would be helpful.

--Llewee (talk) 16:07, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Siege of Malakand FAR
I have nominated Siege of Malakand for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm (talk) 06:20, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

BBC 100 Women of 2021
The |title=The BBC's 100 women of 2021 published on 7 December gives special focus to Afghanistan.--Ipigott (talk) 07:11, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Afghan cuisine
The article Afghan cuisine is in need for significant improvements in content and format. Please help improve this article if you can to get it up to higher quality standards. -- WR   20:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Osh Pyozee
This requested article has been submitted in draft to AfC, but the sources aren't enough. Is there anyone who can search in Afghani? The dish seems to also be popular in Israel, if anyone can search in Hebrew. valereee (talk) 11:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Merge Requests
You are invited to join the discussion about whether individual rulers of Turk Shahis and Nezak Huns deserve individual pages. Relevant links are:
 * Discussion on Ghar Ilchi
 * Discussion on Bo Fuzhun
 * Discussion on Tegin Shah
 * Discussion on Barha Tegin

Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 07:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)


 * A relevant meta-discussion is in progress at this thread. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

move-request notification
An editor has requested for Republic of Afghanistan to be moved to Republic of Afghanistan (1973–1978). Since you had some involvement with Republic of Afghanistan, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). —  Fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124; 14:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Megan B....  It’s all coming to me till the end of time  19:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Articles on Afghanistan need to have their images demilitarized
I posted this at Portal talk:Afghanistan and talk:Afghanistan and got the advice to post here with a crossref from NPOVN.

Images that illustrate topics about Afghanistan, particularly geographical locations, have a disproportionate share of images that depict the military. It's mostly the US military, but it's really a problem even when it's any military presence.

Any image of any place in Afghanistan that isn't simply a military base or installation should not have a military presence by default. It's simply not a neutral depiction of the country. Yes, it's been ravaged by war and conflcit for 40 years, but that's not a valid reason to make soldiers a default presence in something like half the picture here on Wikipedia. Including images of Afghan villages as a backdrop to military personnel is no more valid than depicting US cities as with police in the foreground of half the images.

Please help fix this by switching out images of the military, regardles of nationality, with more neutral photos.

Peter Isotalo 13:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Peter Isotalo: I agree, switching the photos is a good idea. However, as far as I am aware most/many copyright-free (or at least free licensed) images of things in Afghanistan were taken by the US Government and so those are the images that get used. I don't think it was that editors wanted to have soldiers in the image because it is a war-torn country, and I'm not aware of a good solution to the problem. — Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 02:15, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * the problem is that US military photos have completely spammed the Afghanistan categories over at Commons. Sub-categories for military images have been created for a lot of the geographic articles, but they're not properly used. So you get nonsense images like this one in the main Ghazni category (before I fixed it). A considerable proportion of the US military photos don't actually depict Afghanistan in any meaningful way.
 * You can look at my contributions for examples where I've replaced images that focus on military personnel with civilian-themed images. I didn't find it that hard. In my view, people have been adding images without regard for what they actually depict. Some seem to have been included simply they look good, regardless of what they actually focus on. A good example is an image of US soldiers walking along a rugged road in the Ghazni article to illustrate the section "Infrastructure", but with no relevance to any of the text content.
 * The solution to the problem as I see it is to put a bit more effort into selecting images. We shouldn't let a fluke of availability decide how Afghanistan is depicted, and we shouldn't include military images just because they look good. Could there be a way to inform people that this is a problem so they don't pick military imagery unless it's relevant?
 * Peter Isotalo 17:57, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Peter Isotalo Oh ok I see, yeah the Ghazni example is a good one. On how to inform people it's a problem so they put more thought into curating images, I'm not so sure. An easy way would be to put a note about images on one of the WikiProject pages, but I don't think it would get many eyes. Another way is to add a banner to talk pages or incorporate it into the Wikiproject banner, but that could add to banner blindness for little benefit. Besides, I'm not sure there's people that need informed (or made aware of this discussion). With the number of people that edit Afghanistan articles, the most effective method would probably be to search the watchlist of Afghanistan articles for editors that add pictures to articles or substantially improve articles, but I'm not sure editors that regularly do that are more than a handful, if any.
 * Ideally what would be really helpful is more eyes and editors working on and improving Afghanistan articles; especially in this case editors willing to help switch out images. The image you were talking about with Ghazni was added by a sock in 2013-- and nobody's bothered to think about that image and replace it with a better one (until this year, of course).
 * In summary, I guess I agree with you that the solution is to put a bit more effort into selecting images (or reselecting images) but I'm not sure where that effort would come from-- existing editors are too few in my opinion for finding a way to inform them to have much impact (either with them helping to fix the images or refining their current image selecting processes). I suspect that people generally aren't adding more military images to articles, that they've generally been added years ago, and the people that added them are generally long gone. — Danre98 ( talk ^ contribs ) 01:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Romanization help
Is there anyone who can romanize Pashto and Dari according to Romanization? The titles at Leader of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan need it. Thanks. ― Tartan357  Talk 08:59, 2 April 2022 (UTC)