Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alternative music/The Smashing Pumpkins

some points
Hi there. As far as I am aware, the image Sp1991.jpg is only fair-use, so you shouldn't be using it for the Project (rather use something free/public domain/some rights reserved). Also, I'd say creating an article for every single Smashing Pumpkins song would probably violate the guidelines on notability of songs, and most of the notable ones already have articles, so why not improve those instead? - Phorque 14:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the usage of the image, I'll look for an open-source one. And yeah, I guess all songs would be going a bit too far. Godlord2 00:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I have begun adding lyrics to the Smashing Pumpkins songs already on wikipedia.--MPet 05:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Song articles

 * I'm going to question the necessity of having an article for every single Smashing Pumpkins song. JuJube 21:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Why? Matt &quot;AgentA&quot; 21:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * What about The Smashing Pumpkins Fan Collaberative? That Web site has a huge database of material, information, recording history, and lyrics on every song, all bootlegged material, tour history, news history, and more.  Is the aim of the Wikipedia article to match this sort of information resource, or is the aim to be more general?  If the first is true, why not try to collaborate with the authors of the Fan Collaberative?  (I am not a member, I've only browsed the site, so opening communication to such possibilities seems beyond my ability right now). JesseStu 20:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no set policy yet, but what's generally agreed AFAIK is that only singles should have articles. JuJube 20:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Project Picure
a pumpkin and a hammer? come on, the band themselves have stated their extreme dislike of the "smashing" being used as a verb, when it is intended as an adjective. i think we should respect that... how about the machina-era cross and S P, or the heart logo from siamese dream instead? --Flvg94 16:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree 100 %. I think we should remove that specific logo completly, notably from the userbox, and get a logo that would be used on related pages possibly. Matt &quot;AgentA&quot; 20:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * A logo like that would be nice. The reason of the hammer and pumpkins meant no disrespect to the band, it was because no other open-source alternative was found. If someone can find an opne-source alternative of the Machina cross of Siamese Dream heart, that would be great Godlord2 22:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not just finding permission? Or using an album cover? AgentA (Matt) 04:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh please. You're being as dramatic as Billy Corgan. The image is simple and effective, and free! You're not going to find an alternative image very easily. - Phorque 11:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The image is a mockery of the Smashing Pumpkins' name. Plus it looks fscking stupid and does not have any relavance to SP. AgentA (Matt) 22:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Really, you need to lighten up. The creator of the image came up with a novel solution to the problem of creating a free image to represent the band. Have you seen how much trouble we're having with the Smashing Pumpkins featured article nomination because of fair-use images? If you can find a free image of the entire band, tell us immediately because we can't even find one for the infobox! I'd also love to see a source confirming this claim that the band were against the joke of literal pumpkin smashing, if anything they deserve the jokes for choosing such a silly name. It's not like Billy has been strapped for song titles filled with seriousness and grandeur in his career. Maybe we could cross out this symbol to better convey the band's defiance of this blasphemously corny joke? =) - Phorque 11:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I advise you not to even coem close to insulting the Pumpkins on the project page.. That would -not- be good. AgentA (Matt) 01:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You seem new to Wikipedia, so you should read WP:NPOV. Making a Pumpkins WikiProject doesn't mean you worship them as gods, it means you intend to give a objective account of their music/career etc. I'm a fan, for sure, but the band are far from untouchable, even their article notes criticism that has been leveled at them. Also, learn to laugh at jokes, the creator of the image was being light-hearted because there is no free alternative, and has already stated that he meant no offense by making it. A free image of the band would be far superior, but I hardly feel that the image he has created is a "mockery", it's a useful placeholder. Why not go and vote on the Smashing Pumpkins featured article nomination rather than getting your panties in a twist about me "insulting" the band? I'm sarcastic, but be assured that you can always assume good faith on my part. ;) - Phorque 12:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Guys, I think I came up with a solution to our problem. At the moment, the one and only freelicenced image available is this: Image:Billy_Corgan_pic.jpg. Well, the Zero shirt is one of the most well-known symbols of the band. I have prepared a cropped, more visible version of the picture, clearly sporting the Zero logo, and can upload it in place of the pumpkin and hammer - here, and a downsized version here. Thoughts?

And Phorque, here's proof they find the use of "smashing" as a verb annoying - "The name of the band is a stupid name, a dumb bad joke and a bad idea, OK? Billy named the band before there even was a band. He was like, 'I'm gonna have a band and it's gonna be called this.' 'Smashing' is not a verb, it's an adjective. It's not like we like to smash pumpkins or anything. And we are not amused by pumpkin jokes anymore." Source: ;) --ThrowingStick/ Talk 17:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I second this! Although the current picture has good intentions, overall, it does absolutely nothing to represent the band and it's work. I think the picture should be a bit more meaningful than just a weak overused pun, and the picture mentioned above, would definately work better in a pinch. chad. 04:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I know the band hates the "Smashing=verb" mentality, but I think the hammer and pumpkin is a cute and effective image. WesleyDodds 13:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have a solution: Let's just f'ing ask for a picture we can use. I'm pretty sure if we can get ahold of Corgan to ask he'd be fine with it. 00:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Phorque's little essay
I blame the band for having a name that they admit is stupid, and capitalism for there being no free images to represent the entire band. ;D Seriously, like any cute little bad joke, the image is bound to elicit either a chuckle or a sigh, and for that reason it is effective as Wesley said. One way or another, you immediately get the joke and go "I see what you did there. Smashing Pumpkins. Very funny. -_- Idiots."

I'm not saying this is the greatest image ever, but all you twits crying "Treason! Blasphemy!" should ease up. It would be fantastic if it got replaced, because that would mean we would have a free infobox image for the main article. I never denied that it is a silly image, but if it's so easy to find an alternative then why don't we have one yet?

For the record I looked as hard as I could for an image and asked a lot of people to release an image for me and all I got was the Billy Corgan image you now see in the article, which is good, but not for representing the band. A good image of the band performing during the Gish era almost made it, but the author didn't want it commercially redistributed. I even begged on a Smashing Pumpkins fan forum for any photos die-hard fans might have kept hoarded over the years, but nobody could help. All I got was some screenshot of the Thirty-Three music video with Kermit the Frog's head pasted onto Corgan. ;)

So please, by all means, get a picture. "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness" and I am certainly trying. Contacting Corgan is a nice idea, but the likelihood of the message getting through is slim, I'm guessing he's kinda busy at the moment. Also consider that he would only be able to give out images owned by him exclusively, because the record companies and professional photographers are the ones who own the rights to any promotional shots of the band.

TL;DR Get up off my nuts, I'm trying my best as well. *waves fist at the lot of ye* =P

- Phorque 21:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Userbox(es)
It seems that all other Projects have userboxes so why havn't we been able to get one? AgentA (Matt) 18:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Why don't you make one yourself then? Just adapt an existing one and save it in your userspace. - Phorque 12:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not familar with userboxes but hell I'll take a whack at it then. I wasn't aware of if permission was needed or anything. AgentA (Matt) 01:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

For those who like silly userboxes =P - Phorque 12:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

UBX's version:

Mine:

Shrink Info Box
I propse we shrink the information box and put that information into the project page instead. This would follow with other projects such as Wikiproject Biography which SP also falls into. I just think it's a bit long. AgentA (Matt) 00:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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 * see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AgentA#Redesign_and_image AgentA (Matt)
 * For anyone reading this who needs a conclusion, the responses to the redesign are Wikiproject The Smashing Pumpkins Redesign|here. --Brandt Luke Zorn 03:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Album connections
The five main studio albums have all songs at their own pages, at the appropriate disambiguation pages, or serve as redirects. If anyone would like to tackle the other albums, like Pisces Iscariot and MACHINA II, go right ahead. Godlord2 20:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good work on those :). I went right ahead and did it for Pisces Iscariot, with the exception of "Girl Named Sandoz" because it is a cover. I may do MACHINA II later today. --Brandt Luke Zorn 20:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Page Rankings Template
Does anyone know if that would be possible to do? I see many other WikiProjects using such a chart, and I believe it would be helpful in getting articles up to featured status. If we can do this, let me know and I'll help all I can. Godlord2 17:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I went ahead and created the category page. The only things left to do are to add a class section to the template, and start ranking pages. I can easily help with the latter, but for some reason or another, cannot get the class section into the template without messing it up. If someone could do this, it would be greatly appreciated. Godlord2 21:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, after some more tinkering, I've managed to get it working. All we have to do now is rate this articles and get the chart on the project page. You can find the category here. Godlord2 05:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for all the comments. I was bored, so I went ahead and rated all the articles. I don't know how good the ratings are, but it's a start. Let's see if we can get rid of these stubs and get a fw more featured articles. Godlord2 09:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

You guys are funny
I find it hilarious that the Smashing Pumpkins WikiProject only has one article rated "Top" importance, and that article is...The Smashing Pumpkins. Great stuff. Drewcifer 06:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

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