Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Theology work group

Random comments
The Christianity project banner has been adjusted to include separate parameters for this work group, although the categories haven't yet been created. Looking at the list of categories, though, I'm thinking that we probably have quite a few articles. There often is discussion after creating a new group about creating a portal for it as well. Do we think it would be a good idea to have such a portal, and, if yes, what all would be included in it? John Carter (talk) 20:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A portal, in time, could indeed be helpful. One problem, the categories under Category:Christian theology are a mess.  Some definitely belong, but some are redundant, some are tangentially related, and some are entirely unrelated.  There are certainly a fair noumber of articles, but not as many as the page currently shows.  We definitely need to have a discussion about the category organization.  I'm headed off-line, but maybe later this week.
 * As to content on the portals - I'd be glad to help - but am also more than willing to follow your lead. Pastordavid (talk) 20:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Category proposal
Following up the above, here is a proposal for re-working the categories. Comments, suggestions encouraged. Pastordavid (talk) 17:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Category:Christian theology
 * Category:Trinitarianism
 * Category:Christology
 * Category:Ecclesiology
 * Category:Christian Pneumatology
 * Category:Christian soteriology
 * Category:Atonement in Christianity
 * Category:Christian eschatology
 * Category:Sacramental theology
 * Category:Christian theology by denomination Category:Christian theology by tradition
 * Category:Christian theological movements
 * Category:Christian theologians
 * Category:Christian theological writings
 * Category:Christian theology of the Bible

I think that with these as the overarching cats, we can organize all the sub-cats and articles currently floating around in Category:Christian theology. It is a mess at the moment, and it will probably take a little while, but I think this might make things a little more intuitive. Pastordavid (talk) 17:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. I'm going to try to myself continue working on the Category:Syriac Christianity and its subcats right now, but when I finish that I'll start work on this. The one question which comes to mind, which might be a dubious one, is maybe whether it might be better to not have Category:Christian theology by denomination as an immediate subcat, but maybe replace it with something like Category:Christian theology by tradition or something similar, using the traditions as outlined in the diagram Image:ChristianityBranches.svg. John Carter (talk) 16:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I have adjusted the above accordingly, and made a couple of other minor fixes. Pastordavid (talk) 17:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have also added Category:Christian ethics (how have been so long without that?) Pastordavid (talk) 23:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have done a pretty thorough diffusion of Category:Christian theology - down to 107 articles and 23 subcats. I'm a little stuck - it probably needs thinned down a little more, but I think I've been looking at it too long.  Anyone want to have a stab?
 * Also, looking at the cat, I thought it might be good to create a Category:Christian liturgical and sacramental theology, and remove the Category:Christian liturgy, rites, and worship services. This would allow us to sort out the reflection on liturgy, et. al., from the liturgies, et. al., themselves.  Thoughts?
 * It sounds like you just asked about removing a very full "Category on X" (liturgy and worship) and then create a new "Category on the theology of X." Maybe there is some purpose to the new category (just what will go in it I am not sure) but since liturgy and worship are all things we do, talk, and write about much more than we talk or write about the theology of these same things-- it should not be a suprise to you that Category:Christian liturgy, rites, and worship services is 'not a group of miscategorized articles on the theology of the many items named in the article names. It would be quite mistake to remove Category:Christian liturgy, rites, and worship services, and if we did make the new category it would be a subset of the exsisting one. -- Carlaude (talk) 04:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I rather favor taking out the catchall liturgy, rites, and worship services category. The extant category is a bit too broadly defined to be very workable or usable. Categories like Category:Liturgy, Category:Christian rites, and Category:Christian worship services would probably be more useful to the individual subprojects whose own traditions can probably be placed more clearly in one or two of the smaller focus categories. John Carter (talk) 13:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes
Are you planning on having a recent changes link where people can watch for vandalism? --Npnunda (talk) 23:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind I found it. Count me in. --Npnunda (talk) 23:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Help please, I need people who know about Kosuke Koyama (and other Japanese theologians)
First of all, I am glad to see this group has been created - Wikipedia certainly needed a project group on Christian theology separate to that on Christianity, to focus more specifically on, for example, specific theologians, such as Karl Barth or Paul Tillich. A major aim of this group could be to enlarge the stubs on lesser well-known Christian theologians. For example, I recently created the article on Kosuke Koyama, but would appreciate it if some one who knows more about this Japanese-American theologian could help with additional information. Koyama is surely a theologian notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia (which is why I created the article), but the article currently needs more source citation. Many thanks if any experts on Koyama could extend this. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Lion handbooks - does any one know their publication details?
Does any one have bibliographical details for Lion handbooks? I first learnt of Koyama when a Religious Studies teacher lent me a Lion book on Christian thinkers in 1985 - this was a long time ago,so I do not remember the precise reference details. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussion regarding project organization
Any comments regarding the structure and function of Christianity related material are welcome at WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. Be prepared for some rather lengthy comments, though. There is a lot of material to cover there. John Carter (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Christian theology navigation box
It looks like we could use a navigation box for the articles on Christian theology. Any takers? John Carter (talk) 00:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thoughts? How about this for starters:

--Secisek (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. First, this have a box on the History of Christian theology-- not the same as Christian theology. For example, you should have:
 * God in Christianity
 * Christology
 * Trinitarianism
 * Christian cosmology
 * Christian eschatology
 * Christian ethics
 * Christian hamartiology
 * Christian philosophy
 * Christian soteriology
 * Christian theologians
 * New & Old Testament theology
 * Christian theological movements
 * Christian theology by denomination tradition
 * Christian theology of the Bible
 * And then add in a few examples of some of them... e.g. Lutheran theology, Reformed theology, Roman Catholic theology.
 * 2. This box is too big. How about a footer box, or at least a smaller version of this sort.-- Carlaude (talk) 03:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Assesment
I tagged all of the articles in the parent category so you have some articles to work with. -- Secisek (talk) 08:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Questions about various overviews of the history of Christian theology
Hi all,

At the moment, the Christian Theology page has a history section; there is a separate article on the History of Christian theology and another on the History of theology that covers the history of Christian theology as well as Jewish and Islamic theology. Then there's the List of Christian theologians, chronologically arranged.

I'm not convinced this makes sense, but not sure what should be done about it.


 * 1) I am pretty sure that the history section on Christian Theology should go, and be replaced with a pointer to History of Christian Theology.


 * 1) I am unsure what could or should be done about the overlap between History of theology and History of Christian Theology.  The former does a valuable job of setting developments in Jewish, Christian and Islamic theology alongside one another, and the latter is a bit of a mess in places - but my guess is that History of Christian Theology should be the primary place where its subject matter is explored, and that History of theology should defer to it - providing, where it is describing Christian theology, brief summaries of material on the History of Christian Theology page, with links to the fuller treatment there.


 * 1) As for the List of Christian theologians, I wonder whether that's better dealt with by having a Category for Christian Theologians, with chronological subcategories.  I realise it was meant originally to be a list of notable theologians from each century - but since every theologian included in Wikipedia supposedly has to be notable to have deserved inclusion, and since I can't imagine any stable agreement on who counts as really notable, and since the 20th century and 21st century sections had already become very long lists, it was already moving in the direction of becoming more comprehensive before I (rather unreflectively) expanded the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries recently.

Any thoughts?

--mahigton (talk) 22:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it would be fine to have both the Christian theologians, in chronological subcategories and the chronological List of Christian theologians. -- Carlaude (talk) 03:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Consultation on renaming article: Roman Catholic Church --> Catholic Church
Wikipedians at Talk:Roman Catholic Church/Mediation on Naming Convention are discussing the merits of changing the article name as such. Roman Catholic Church → Catholic Church. Please share your opinions there. -- Carlaude talk 12:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Coordinator elections
Any parties interested in being one of the coordinators of WikiProject Christianity and its various related projects is encouraged to list themselves as a candidate at WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 2. It would be particularly beneficial if we had individuals from as broad a range of areas of the project as possible, to help ensure that we have people knowledgable about the widest range of content possible. John Carter (talk) 20:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed reorganisation
The Christian Theology page and the History of Christian theology page are still rather confusing - the latter especially. I propose the following reorganization.

Christian Theology - lists to be stripped out and placed in list pages described below. This page will be left as a fairly short article, with its discussion of the nature of Christian theology, and pointers to the list pages etc.

History of Christian Theology - this needs to be pared right back, and simply provide a chronological framework of links to the discussions on the relevant topic pages. It shouldn't be an alternative venue for the elaboration on topics that have their own pages.

These would be backed up by:


 * List of Christian theological topics
 * List of Christian theological movements
 * List of Christian theological disciplines
 * List of Christian theologians

I'm happy to get working on this, if others agree that it is appropriate. --mahigton (talk) 10:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with your propsal, up to a point, but there is no reason to make the article short just because the lists are moved. The main article should instead have a moderate size section on each of the main areas of Christian theology, (books on "Christian theology" cover what this page is calling "Systematic theology") namely:
 * Theology Proper
 * The existence of God
 * The attributes of God
 * The Trinity
 * Creation
 * Divine Providence
 * Doctrine of Man (theological anthropology)
 * Christology
 * Soteriology
 * Justification
 * Sanctification
 * Pneumatology (doctrine of the Holy Spirit)
 * Ecclesiology (doctrine of the Church)
 * Eschatology and the afterlife.
 * I would also be open to the three list/articles (List of Christian theological topics, of Christian theological movements, and of Christian theological disciplines) being shitfed into one new list/article (or put in template(s) instead or also). I'm also happy to work on the "moderate" sections on these areas. User talk:CarlaudeUser talk:Carlaude 19:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

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Christian theology featured/good content
should we include in lists of good/featured content articles about Christian theologians (like John Calvin)? I think that there is several featured articles and maybe some good one (I didn't chech good articles).--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 09:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

There are some theologians, thinkers, writers and philosophers important for Christian theology (featured articles):


 * 1) Augustine of Canterbury
 * 2) Martin Bucer
 * 3) John Calvin
 * 4) Thomas Cranmer
 * 5) George Fox
 * 6) Gregory of Nazianzus
 * 7) John Knox
 * 8) Pope Pius XII
 * 9) Huldrych Zwingli
 * 10) Maximus the Confessor
 * 11) Søren Kierkegaard
 * 12) Blaise Pascal
 * 13) Leonhard Euler

Some articles related to Christin theology:


 * 1) Religious debates over the Harry Potter series
 * 2) Catholic doctrine regarding the Ten Commandments

I listed here only featured articles. I will also list good articls in next few days.

Christian theologians stubs
I suggest to add link to this work group on talk page of this articles: Category:Christian theologian stubs--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 18:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Infobox for theologian
Would someone make infobox for articles about Christian theologians?--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 22:26, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have made an infobox for Christian theologians at Template:Infobox theologian. Have fun. şṗøʀĸ  ɕäɾłäů∂ɛ: τᴀʟĸ 18:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I hope that it will be much more interested writers on Christian theology on Wikipedia :)--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 18:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Huh? şṗøʀĸ  ɕäɾłäů∂ɛ: τᴀʟĸ 20:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Expert help needed
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WikiProject Theology
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Mormonism and Christianity
Hi

I have just added a comment on the article talk page asking for someone to look at ways to perhaps make the article smaller.

Things such as having two, three and four and even five! refs for one sentence as well as superfluous material all contribute to the oversizing.

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 02:37, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Prosperity and Health and Wealth Gospel articles merge
It has been proposed to merge Health and Wealth Gospel into Prosperity theology. Please comment and take part in the discussion at Talk:Prosperity theology. Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 03:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Opinion sought regarding Eternal Life
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The specific issue at hand is that of eternal life being only "here and now" vs having a component "in the future" as well.

A few informed comments based on suitable sources will be appreciated. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 12:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Consolation of Philosophy GAR
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Proposed redirection of Christianity subproject talk pages
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Gregory of Nazianzus FARC
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Requested move proposal, Martin Luther King, Jr.
Please comment on a requested move to change numerous article titles which contain Dr. King's name. Randy Kryn 11:26, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Henotheism and Monolatrism
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Great Apostasy
Hi. I'd like members to have a look at and the accompanying discussion at Talk:Great Apostasy. It seems to me that they alter the in a POV way, giving undue weight to fringe Protestant views of the Catholic Church such as idol-worship, worship of Mary, and the hybrid "pagan Mother-Son worship". And not only that, but these fringe views are copied to the, totally skewing it. The citations are a collection of far-out Christian websites: http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_sun-worship, https://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/how-the-sabbath-was-changed, https://www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-Mary.html, http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/catholic_church_idolatry.html, https://bible.org/question/it-okay-worship-statues-jesus, and a self-published 1914 pamphlet, The Practice of Idolatry, none of which come anywhere near satisfying WP:RS. Any input into the discussion is welcome. I'm copying this to other Christian WikiProjects. Scolaire (talk) 15:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Expert attention
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New England theology/New Divinity
Anyone with knowledge of New England theology or the New Divinity should take a look at these articles. They need a lot of work. Ltwin (talk) 04:14, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Ethics in the Bible
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Who Is Active On This?
Hi all,

Just posted a similar G'Day on the Liberation Theology talk, here.

Wanting to see who is active / interested in some collaborations. My focus is on Liberation Theologies. I'm gonna get busy on a few things in that department. Would appreciate any advice and heads ups. Not looking to step on any toes.

Peace — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlJoHoBro (talk • contribs) 23:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I work on Christianity related articles. Not sure how active this project is anymore, lol. Check the edit history of the article for editors who have recently contributed a lot to the article. If no one's worked on the article in a while, then you probably won't step on any toes. If there are frequent contributors, try to bring them into discussion on the talk page. You can notify them by linking their username on the talk page, for example User: Ltwin. Ltwin (talk) 02:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

History of theology article has no sources in its body
This article, marked as a top priority article for this project, has absolutely no sources in its body. If no one revises the article properly, in one month I shall remove everything apart from the summary which is sourced. Veverve (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Category:Christian theology articles needing expert attention has been nominated for discussion
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"Non-canonical" and "non-canonical books" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Discussion about article "Liberation theology"
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Possible proposed deletion of article about evangelical christian family in Ireland
I have a concern about an article created in August 2022 about a evangelical Christian family in Ireland that i believe (from what i read of it) was created to doxx and intimidate members of the family due to their religious views and which its creation date coincided with the beginning date of a court case that is still curently ongoing. The article in question is Burke family (Castlebar). I believe, but I am not too sure, that the article violates a number of wiki policies but particularly Biographies of living persons in the sections of WP:BLPGOSSIP, WP:AVOIDVICTIM , WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE , WP:BLP1E , and WP:BLPNAME (for some of the family named in the article). I believe this article is suitable for deletion according to Proposed deletion of biographies of living people but I am not sure how to go about this. I would be grateful if someone can review the article and also review its talk page where a dispute arose about the inclusion of a source from a newspaper article that has since been retracted and removed from the internet by the media agency but which an archival copy appears from internet archive. 79.154.24.42 (talk) 22:23, 10 January 2023 (UTC)