Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Databases/Archive 1

Started
Put a few basic templates together. Will add a todo list later. Need to start assessing articles. SqlPac 18:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Portal, etc.
Have requested help in setting up a portal. Started marking articles with the WikiProject Database template. I have verified there are over 100 articles that should be added to the project, and over 50 that should be stubbed at this point. SqlPac 04:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

POLICY DEBATE: Use of source code and other examples in articles
Someone started a policy debate concerning the use of source code in articles, that might directly impact several Database articles. See below for details:

I have opened a debate on the use of source code and other examples in Wikipedia articles. It seems that many pieces of example source code etc. currently in Wikipedia violate Wikipedia policy, so we need to either clarify or change the situation. Depending on the result of the discussion, this may result in a number of source code examples being summarily removed from computing articles!

Please reply there, not here, if you wish to contribute.—greenrd 10:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.SqlPac 15:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

What to include
I found this project during a lull in a class I'm taking. I identified a few articles and added the project template. Should this project include public databases (like IMDB)? I think not, but haven't given it enough thought to be adamant. I do believe that the project should include articles on database systems (like ORACLE, IDMS).

How do I discover which articles are already included in the project? Is there a page that automatically lists all articles involved?

Should the included articles be tagged with the WikiProject Databases Category?

Finally, I need to learn more about wikiprojects and try to remember my Wikipedia logon.


 * Indeed, the wikiproject is about database software and infrastructure rather than specific databases. (The connection from "databases" -> "database software" seems so natural when you're a programmer that I hadn't even realized there is a different interpretation.)
 * You can see articles that already have the wikiproject banner at Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:WikiProject Database. Alternatively, the Category:Databases category tree is probably more up to date about articles that exist in Wikipedia. -- intgr [talk] 20:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Importance in template
After reviewing WikiProject Databases/Assessment I believe that a lot of articles are currently mis-categorized or are at least inconsistent. Some database products are Category:Mid-importance Database articles such as IBM DB2, while IBM Informix and Oracle database is considered Category:Top-importance_Database_articles. Given the criteria noted in the assessment article, I propose no database product be considered "Top" importance. Further, I feel that IBM DB2 is a far more significant product in terms of history, contributions, etc. than Informix. I am going to put
 * From Top: IBM Informix to Mid, PostgreSQL to Mid; Oracle database to High, MySQL to High.
 * From High to Low: (These articles are on companies providing database products; not terribly important): Teradata, Sybase, Oracle Corporation
 * From Mid to High: IBM DB2

MeekMark (talk) 15:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Several articles added to project
Several unassessed articles have been added to this project, mostly data warehousing and business intelligence articles. A lot of these articles have been designated as having problems with neutrality, confusing content, and citations and references. Some examples of high visibility articles that have been added include Extract, transform, load, Data mart, Star schema, and a lot more.

Most of these articles are currently unassessed by this project. If you have a few spare minutes why not pick an article or two, give it the quick once over and help us assess them and jot a few quick notes for improvement?

It would also be a huge help if we could get some Business intelligence and Data warehousing subject matter experts, or anyone else with something to say, involved to help clean these articles up. Thanks everyone! SqlPac (talk) 04:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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 * Btrieve has achieved featured article status. Congratulations guys!  Excellent work! SqlPac (talk) 04:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Roll back into Wikiproject CS
I propose that this WikiProject be rolled back into WikiProject Computer science as a task force. There doesn't seem to be a necessary critical mass of participants here, which means that related articles are missing out on project infrastructure. This project itself does not appear to have gotten much done in terms of organizing or improving articles -- which is not a judgment against the participants, but I think those articles could receive more of the attention they deserve if there were more eyes on them. Ham Pastrami (talk) 06:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Support. Hardly any activity here. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 04:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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Uncertain data up for deletion
There are some papers on databases with uncertain data, so I figured someone here may improve the article. VG &#x260E; 22:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Logical data model, Logical schema and Semantic data model
Hi, I wonder if you guys could take a look at these three articles. I wonder if the subjects of these articles are one and the same or if they are different. I just made a proposal to merge them in the Logical data model article, see Talk:Logical data model. But I am not so sure here. Thanks. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 00:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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SyBase Replication Server
Replication Server was prodded for deletion. 76.66.202.139 (talk) 05:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks. — Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:03, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
 * I have set up article alerts (hopefully correctly), and it should kick in soon. I have also subscribed to the WolterBot cleanup listing thingy. Jwoodger (talk) 05:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Requesting a Popular Pages report
I've requested a popular pages report for WikiProject Databases. Clifflandis (talk) 18:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The report is now up. A popular pages page has been created and should be populated with the data soon.Clifflandis (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

infobox
Hi, is there an infobox for online databases? If so, where? Thanks! --Crusio (talk) 20:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Headbomb has offered help in constructing such an infobox, but as I am not really a database person, I'm not sure what should be in it. My main interest is bibliographic databases. Suggestions welcome. --Crusio (talk) 01:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been thinking a bit about what kind of things should be in such an infobox. Please have a look at my sandbox and feel free to add/edit. --Crusio (talk) 20:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I also have a visual model up here, although none of the fields are active links. Please feel free to add/edit as well.  I asked Headbomb for help with it, but s/he never took any action and the talk message was archived. Clifflandis (talk) 21:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_Bibliographic_Database has been created. Clifflandis (talk) 14:05, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

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Unreferenced living people articles bot
Okip  01:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The Unreferenced BLPs are now found at: WikiProject_Databases/Unreferenced_BLPs.
 * thanks for correcting this. I refactored what I wrote so it is clearer now. Okip  01:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

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Cloud database entry
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia, please let me know if this is not the right place to discuss this. I'm thinking about writing an entry for cloud database - see for example Amazon Relational Database Service and NoSQL. A subsection with this title already exists on Database and deserves an entry of its own. I have some experience with these types of solutions and I have a lot of sources on hand, but I need some guidance, and wanted to consult with folks on the project if it seems to be a notable subject. What's the best way to proceed? Can I put together a suggested outline for the entry and show you for feedback? Anne.naimoli (talk) 16:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Rename
Shouldn't this be called "WikiProject Databases"? "WikiProject Database" sounds like a database about wikiprojects, while the other sounds like a wikiproject about databases, IMO. -- -- intgr #%@! 16:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. I recommend the move also. Aquarius &#149; talk 17:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. I didn't realize it wasn't in parallel construction with other projects like WikiProject Dogs.  Makes sense to me.  I'm not familiar with moves though.  Any and all help is appreciated.  Thanks. SqlPac 05:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * sqlpac you are a normalizer. I'll bet you know the answer by heart, when your client asks, "Why is the table called CUSTOMER when there are many customers in that table? Shouldn't it be called CUSTOMERS?" // Brick Thrower 07:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * ;-) SqlPac 01:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The name is flat-out wrong. The project isn't about one or more databases -- data -- but about database management systems.  It should be called "WikiProject DBMS" or  "WikiProject DBMSs".  Jklowden (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I visited this page to read the definition of ""Data Integrity"" and found a good one. If this is to be about databases/databasing, then that is not clear.  The discipline of ensuring that data has integrity to the proper level of granularity is a subset//part of ""Data Management"" or "Information Management".  Suggest separating DB management from this ""Data Integrity"" definition.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.178.6.10 (talk) 20:20, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Restructure proposal
I posted a proposal to restructure on the project page, which came from the discussion at WT:COMP. I think there's general consensus to do something, and I'm not attached to the specifics. Please edit boldly or discuss here. – Pnm (talk) 20:48, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * This is quite close to what I had in mind. Two comments:
 * I would at some point like to create a few broad taskforces/fields for WikiProject Computer science (think "Algorithms & data structures", "Programming languages", "Databases", ...) mostly to get better article (assessment) statistics. So eventually a database article could be tagged with,  , or both.
 * More problematically, there are a lot of articles tagged with this project that concern actual databases or datasets. These articles often fall neither under Computing nor Computer science, but under some other project like Biology, Chemistry or Books. It is unclear to me whether these articles were ever intended to be in the scope of this project or whether they were "accidentally" tagged because they often contain the word "database" in their title. Your proposal does not address this issue, nor do I currently have any good suggestions on how to resolve this.
 * —Ruud 00:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Regarding #1: makes sense to me. The question is: would it be better to automatically populate a category with the intersection of "databases" and "computer science", or to separately tag the articles as database-related and database-and-CS-related? I posted options 2 and 3 on the project page.


 * I prefer option 3, which going forward will be easier to understand. It doesn't allow setting an "importance" level for database theory (separate from the importance levels for computing, databases, and computer science). Do you think it's necessary to be able to do that?


 * Let's discuss specific datasets and whether they're in the scope of databases and/or computing in another thread. I think we can make that decision independently of this one – though it would be convenient to decide before we get to phase 2 when we have to go through all the articles. Maybe at WT:COMP? There are implications for whether domain-specific websites (e.g. C-SPAN Video Library) and other articles on domain-specific software or computer-related topics should stay in computing's scope. Currently most websites and software articles are in computing, though articles like Rage comic are not. – Pnm (talk) 16:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * All three proposals look reasonable to me. I would have to study them a bit closer, but in fact I think they might actually be equivalent in the sense than one could always change one into the other at a later time with a small bit of template programming. Have you considered the interactions between templates of articles that are already double or triple-tagged with Databases and Computing and/or Computer science? —Ruud 17:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm, good point. Since we'll need to review and adjust all the talk pages anyway, I thought it could be done manually. But on second thought it might be less confusing to have the bot ignore those articles, and handle them manually instead. After the bot runs, Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WikiProject Databases will give us a shorter list to work from. – Pnm (talk) 17:59, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I've modified the bot instructions to address that. You're right: it's easy to change between options 1 and 3 in the future. I think changing from 1->2 or 3->2 is still possible, but it will require reviewing all the articles again. So the question we still need to decide: shall we tag articles separately as being databases, computer science, and CS-database-related, or shall we derive "CS-database-related" from the values of "databases" and "computer science"? – Pnm (talk) 17:56, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Obviously not a lot of interest in this discussion. Let's move forward with the merge. If you've no opinion about separately categorizing database theory articles on the CS side of things right now, let's proceed with option 1. – Pnm (talk) 21:23, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I won't object ;) —Ruud 16:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Unique Identifiers
So, there's a new project which may be of interest to some here. It arises out of Village_pump_(proposals), a proposal to make wikipedia articles available by their unique identifier - for instance by their PubChem number. Umm. For reasons which should be all to obvious to anyone interested in computational access to information. And those two pages are all I have to show you, but I live in hope of input from you to take it all further. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

SQL:2011
I just created SQL:2011 but information is hard to find cause the real standard is payware. Maybe someone here has knowledge to share? --Ysangkok (talk) 17:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:HighBeam
HighBeam describes a limited opportunity for Wikipedia editors to have access to HighBeam Research. —Wavelength (talk) 17:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Academic Journals Database
This article is at AfD and the input of editors with expertise in this area would be welcome. Thanks. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 14:24, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Restarting the engine
I can hardly believe this had a "defunct" tag on it. Databases are a critical part of computer infrastructure, and Wikipedia is no exception. They may be in the background, but we should have decent coverage of them nonetheless. If anyone's watching this page, I would invite them to help out at getting this going again. Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:32, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

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Centralization and standardization of examples relating to transactions/MVCC/isolation/integrity
I think there is an excessive amount of articles relating to this. They all do not reference each other, and they all have their own independent examples.


 * Multiversion concurrency control
 * Snapshot isolation
 * Transaction isolation
 * Write-write conflict
 * Database transactions

What do you think? --Ysangkok (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Severe Altibase spam
It appears that some users (at least 74.105.37.215 96.242.234.34, 68.198.81.244, Os81paul, Golferchung) have been adding spam links to database-related articles, pointing to Altibase websites (altibase.com, inmemorydb.com). Please shoot on sight if you see these appearing on your watchlist. There also appears to be significant wiki doctoring on the Altibase and ALTIBASE HDB articles. -- intgr [talk] 22:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed merge: Consistency (database systems) and Data consistency
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RFCs on citations templates and the flagging free-to-read sources
See
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Request to update the Teradata article's "Technology and products" section
Hello. I am a Teradata employee tasked with suggesting updates and other improvements to the company's Wikipedia article. I'm not editing the article directly and I'm looking for uninvolved editors to review my second edit request to update the "Technology and products" section. You can view my request here: Talk:Teradata. Is someone at WikiProject Databases able to assist with this particular request? I've also posted a request at WikiProject Companies. Thanks. Dodds_Writer (Talk &middot; Disclosure: Employee of Teradata) 23:04, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll take a look sometime over the next couple days. Linearizable (talk) 09:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Done. Linearizable (talk) 07:12, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Project status
Hello, I came across this wikiproject and have been trying to get my head around its current state. There doesn't seem to be much recent talk on the talk page, there's a semi-active tag on the project page and 'restructure proposals'. Just waving to say hi and see if people are still active here or whether other projects might be worth looking up instead? Swoophle (talk) 15:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

So it looks like restructure proposals suggest looking into WikiProject_Computing or WikiProject_Computer_science but I can't find a mention of database on those pages other than links back to here?? Swoophle (talk) 15:44, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Yep it's dead. Very few WikiProjects serve a purpose anymore other than to clutter up talk pages with gigantic WikiProject banners. -- intgr [talk] 19:03, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey intgr, I see, thanks for letting us know. So it seems to me the best way to contribute is via individual article talk pages then? Swoophle (talk) 08:33, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * If you're still around and looking to be helpful, I'd appreciate if you could:
 * Add the  template to talk pages of database-related pages.  There's a lot of both database software pages and database theory/implementation related pages that aren't being tracked as part of this project.  You can wrap multiple banners with   to make them less obtrusive.
 * Take a look at the popular pages, and see if there's anything you can do to improve the lower-rated ones, or assign ratings to unrated articles. Linearizable (talk) 07:01, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Topic Organization Needed
Currently, there clearly exists a confusion regarding the relationship between a database and a database management system. The two are not the same, and never were. We must not allow this confusion to continue, and we must clean up the articles to put them in the correct categories.

I would suggest that we first create the basic category listings. Then I would suggest we try to fit the existing articles on these subjects into the right category and/or rewrite or divide up the articles into more common sense arrangements.

Further, each category needs a history section that would include the changes over time regarding definitions. Some people are purists who wish to stick with original intent and meanings, and some people are contemporists or modernists who like the use of slang words and contemporary thought on these subjects. They both need to be accommodated.

I would like to receive feedback on this issue. Thanks. KitchM (talk) 19:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The articles on these subjects were merged in 2013. I am currently minded this is not long term helpful.Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:20, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Database Article
As a side effect of looking at I became concerned at the state of the Database article and am looking to do a series of improvements. Details at Talk:Database. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:35, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

References for SQL keywords
Hi all,

I'd like to add references to the articles in Category:SQL keywords. The List of relational database management systems is quite huge. Is there a way to find general sources of information for these keywords or do I always have to rely on the specific point of view from one of these systems?

Thanks for the help. Best regards --Hundsrose (talk) 12:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Enriching the articles on the major SQL concepts and keywords is a worthy goal. In the world of SQL, there is the ANSI SQL standard and then there are relational database systems that implement part or all of that standard. Probably the first thing to do is to identify some quality secondary and tertiary sources--textbooks, review articles--that discuss the standard and improve articles with those. Our SQL article has some discussion of the ANSI standard and more importantly, sources that you might mine for further information on SQL keywords. Google books can be useful, too. -- 19:17, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * This is the definition of key words in SQL:2011. The distinction between reserved and non-reserved words is well explained in: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/sql-keywords-appendix.html



 ::= A | ABSOLUTE | ACTION | ADA | ADD | ADMIN | AFTER | ALWAYS | ASC
 * ASSERTION | ASSIGNMENT | ATTRIBUTE | ATTRIBUTES
 * BEFORE | BERNOULLI | BREADTH
 * C | CASCADE | CATALOG | CATALOG_NAME | CHAIN | CHARACTER_SET_CATALOG
 * CHARACTER_SET_NAME | CHARACTER_SET_SCHEMA | CHARACTERISTICS | CHARACTERS
 * CLASS_ORIGIN | COBOL | COLLATION | COLLATION_CATALOG | COLLATION_NAME | COLLATION_SCHEMA
 * COLUMN_NAME | COMMAND_FUNCTION | COMMAND_FUNCTION_CODE | COMMITTED
 * CONDITION_NUMBER | CONNECTION | CONNECTION_NAME | CONSTRAINT_CATALOG | CONSTRAINT_NAME
 * CONSTRAINT_SCHEMA | CONSTRAINTS | CONSTRUCTOR | CONTINUE | CURSOR_NAME
 * DATA | DATETIME_INTERVAL_CODE | DATETIME_INTERVAL_PRECISION | DEFAULTS | DEFERRABLE
 * DEFERRED | DEFINED | DEFINER | DEGREE | DEPTH | DERIVED | DESC | DESCRIPTOR
 * DIAGNOSTICS | DISPATCH | DOMAIN | DYNAMIC_FUNCTION | DYNAMIC_FUNCTION_CODE
 * ENFORCED | EXCLUDE | EXCLUDING | EXPRESSION
 * FINAL | FIRST | FLAG | FOLLOWING | FORTRAN | FOUND
 * G | GENERAL | GENERATED | GO | GOTO | GRANTED
 * HIERARCHY
 * IGNORE | IMMEDIATE | IMMEDIATELY | IMPLEMENTATION | INCLUDING | INCREMENT | INITIALLY
 * INPUT | INSTANCE | INSTANTIABLE | INSTEAD | INVOKER | ISOLATION
 * K | KEY | KEY_MEMBER | KEY_TYPE
 * LAST | LENGTH | LEVEL | LOCATOR
 * M | MAP | MATCHED | MAXVALUE | MESSAGE_LENGTH | MESSAGE_OCTET_LENGTH
 * MESSAGE_TEXT | MINVALUE | MORE | MUMPS
 * NAME | NAMES | NESTING | NEXT | NFC | NFD | NFKC | NFKD
 * NORMALIZED | NULLABLE | NULLS | NUMBER
 * OBJECT | OCTETS | OPTION | OPTIONS | ORDERING | ORDINALITY | OTHERS
 * OUTPUT | OVERRIDING
 * P | PAD | PARAMETER_MODE | PARAMETER_NAME | PARAMETER_ORDINAL_POSITION
 * PARAMETER_SPECIFIC_CATALOG | PARAMETER_SPECIFIC_NAME | PARAMETER_SPECIFIC_SCHEMA
 * PARTIAL | PASCAL | PATH | PLACING | PLI | PRECEDING | PRESERVE | PRIOR
 * PRIVILEGES | PUBLIC
 * READ | RELATIVE | REPEATABLE | RESPECT | RESTART | RESTRICT | RETURNED_CARDINALITY
 * RETURNED_LENGTH | RETURNED_OCTET_LENGTH | RETURNED_SQLSTATE | ROLE
 * ROUTINE | ROUTINE_CATALOG | ROUTINE_NAME | ROUTINE_SCHEMA | ROW_COUNT
 * SCALE | SCHEMA | SCHEMA_NAME | SCOPE_CATALOG | SCOPE_NAME | SCOPE_SCHEMA
 * SECTION | SECURITY | SELF | SEQUENCE | SERIALIZABLE | SERVER_NAME | SESSION
 * SETS | SIMPLE | SIZE | SOURCE | SPACE | SPECIFIC_NAME | STATE | STATEMENT
 * STRUCTURE | STYLE | SUBCLASS_ORIGIN
 * T | TABLE_NAME | TEMPORARY | TIES | TOP_LEVEL_COUNT | TRANSACTION
 * TRANSACTION_ACTIVE | TRANSACTIONS_COMMITTED | TRANSACTIONS_ROLLED_BACK
 * TRANSFORM | TRANSFORMS | TRIGGER_CATALOG | TRIGGER_NAME | TRIGGER_SCHEMA | TYPE
 * UNBOUNDED | UNCOMMITTED | UNDER | UNNAMED | USAGE | USER_DEFINED_TYPE_CATALOG
 * USER_DEFINED_TYPE_CODE | USER_DEFINED_TYPE_NAME | USER_DEFINED_TYPE_SCHEMA
 * VIEW
 * WORK | WRITE
 * ZONE


 * ARRAY_MAX_CARDINALITY | AS | ASENSITIVE | ASYMMETRIC | AT | ATOMIC | AUTHORIZATION
 * AVG
 * BEGIN | BEGIN_FRAME | BEGIN_PARTITION | BETWEEN | BIGINT | BINARY
 * BLOB | BOOLEAN | BOTH | BY
 * CALL | CALLED | CARDINALITY | CASCADED | CASE | CAST | CEIL | CEILING
 * CHAR | CHAR_LENGTH | CHARACTER | CHARACTER_LENGTH | CHECK | CLOB | CLOSE
 * COALESCE | COLLATE | COLLECT | COLUMN | COMMIT | CONDITION | CONNECT
 * CONSTRAINT | CONTAINS | CONVERT | CORR | CORRESPONDING | COUNT | COVAR_POP
 * COVAR_SAMP | CREATE | CROSS | CUBE | CUME_DIST | CURRENT | CURRENT_CATALOG
 * CURRENT_DATE | CURRENT_DEFAULT_TRANSFORM_GROUP | CURRENT_PATH | CURRENT_ROLE
 * CURRENT_ROW | CURRENT_SCHEMA | CURRENT_TIME | CURRENT_TIMESTAMP
 * CURRENT_TRANSFORM_GROUP_FOR_TYPE | CURRENT_USER | CURSOR | CYCLE
 * DATE | DAY | DEALLOCATE | DEC | DECIMAL | DECLARE | DEFAULT | DELETE
 * DENSE_RANK | DEREF | DESCRIBE | DETERMINISTIC | DISCONNECT | DISTINCT
 * DOUBLE | DROP | DYNAMIC
 * EACH | ELEMENT | ELSE | END | END_FRAME | END_PARTITION | END-EXEC
 * EQUALS | ESCAPE | EVERY | EXCEPT | EXEC | EXECUTE | EXISTS | EXP
 * EXTERNAL | EXTRACT
 * FALSE | FETCH | FILTER | FIRST_VALUE | FLOAT | FLOOR | FOR | FOREIGN
 * FRAME_ROW | FREE | FROM | FULL | FUNCTION | FUSION
 * GET | GLOBAL | GRANT | GROUP | GROUPING | GROUPS
 * HAVING | HOLD | HOUR
 * IDENTITY | IN | INDICATOR | INNER | INOUT | INSENSITIVE | INSERT
 * INT | INTEGER | INTERSECT | INTERSECTION | INTERVAL | INTO | IS
 * JOIN
 * LAG | LANGUAGE | LARGE | LAST_VALUE | LATERAL | LEAD | LEADING | LEFT
 * LIKE | LIKE_REGEX | LN | LOCAL | LOCALTIME | LOCALTIMESTAMP | LOWER
 * MATCH | MAX | MEMBER | MERGE | METHOD | MIN | MINUTE
 * MOD | MODIFIES | MODULE | MONTH | MULTISET
 * NATIONAL | NATURAL | NCHAR | NCLOB | NEW | NO | NONE | NORMALIZE | NOT
 * NTH_VALUE | NTILE | NULL | NULLIF | NUMERIC
 * OCTET_LENGTH | OCCURRENCES_REGEX | OF | OFFSET | OLD | ON | ONLY | OPEN
 * OR | ORDER | OUT | OUTER | OVER | OVERLAPS | OVERLAY
 * PARAMETER | PARTITION | PERCENT | PERCENT_RANK | PERCENTILE_CONT
 * PERCENTILE_DISC | PERIOD | PORTION | POSITION | POSITION_REGEX | POWER | PRECEDES
 * PRECISION | PREPARE | PRIMARY | PROCEDURE
 * RANGE | RANK | READS | REAL | RECURSIVE | REF | REFERENCES | REFERENCING
 * REGR_AVGX | REGR_AVGY | REGR_COUNT | REGR_INTERCEPT | REGR_R2 | REGR_SLOPE
 * REGR_SXX | REGR_SXY | REGR_SYY | RELEASE | RESULT | RETURN | RETURNS
 * REVOKE | RIGHT | ROLLBACK | ROLLUP | ROW | ROW_NUMBER | ROWS
 * SAVEPOINT | SCOPE | SCROLL | SEARCH | SECOND | SELECT
 * SENSITIVE | SESSION_USER | SET | SIMILAR | SMALLINT | SOME | SPECIFIC
 * SPECIFICTYPE | SQL | SQLEXCEPTION | SQLSTATE | SQLWARNING | SQRT | START
 * STATIC | STDDEV_POP | STDDEV_SAMP | SUBMULTISET | SUBSTRING | SUBSTRING_REGEX
 * SUCCEEDS | SUM | SYMMETRIC | SYSTEM | SYSTEM_TIME | SYSTEM_USER
 * TABLE | TABLESAMPLE | THEN | TIME | TIMESTAMP | TIMEZONE_HOUR | TIMEZONE_MINUTE
 * TO | TRAILING | TRANSLATE | TRANSLATE_REGEX | TRANSLATION | TREAT
 * TRIGGER | TRUNCATE | TRIM | TRIM_ARRAY | TRUE
 * UESCAPE | UNION | UNIQUE | UNKNOWN | UNNEST | UPDATE
 * UPPER | USER | USING
 * VALUE | VALUES | VALUE_OF | VAR_POP | VAR_SAMP | VARBINARY
 * VARCHAR | VARYING | VERSIONING
 * WHEN | WHENEVER | WHERE | WIDTH_BUCKET | WINDOW | WITH | WITHIN | WITHOUT
 * YEAR

--Kelti (talk) 06:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help! Definitely, what I was looking for! :) Maybe you can also help me with further questions?


 * : I'd prefer to collect these sources at one place so other users will be able to use them too. Does something like that already exists or should I create a subuserspace for my own account?
 * : Is there some way of official priority or importance level for the (non)-reserved words to have a idea on which articles should be focussed first?


 * Thank you all. Best regards --Hundsrose (talk) 16:50, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Maybe the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQLSTATE is a prototype for your activity. It describes the return code SQLSTATE which is another part of the standard.
 * The standard does not define priorities. But its basic part SQL/Foundation defines 164 mandatory and 318 optional features. In many cases those features correlate with key words. Therefore the primary priorization - in the sense of the standard - is the distinction between mandatory and optional features. Additionally the other parts of the standard defines their own features.
 * Another approach is a research accross major implementations to collect, which features they offer. Here is an example: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/features-sql-standard.html and https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/unsupported-features-sql-standard.html.
 * --Kelti (talk) 06:23, 6 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the help, Keiti! I can start now. :) --Hundsrose (talk) 21:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Automatic Archiving of this talk page
Hi all, This discussion page has almost 50 sections now. How about an automatic archiving for sections which are older than three years and have at least two signed contributions? Any concerns? Best regards --Hundsrose (talk) 07:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Blockchain databases
Databases of the concatenate chain model, blockchain databases (originally "block chain", and now most commonly spelled "blockchain" in most sources), have been a thing since 2009, when they were innovated as a part of the Bitcoin protocol.

They originally had one principle use case: value transfer of digital currency.

The number of blockchain databases proliferated after 2013, with many of them cloned off of the bitcoin open source software, and most of those quite non-notable. By 2014, significant extensions were underway to service additional use cases, and the term "blockchain 2.0" began to be used in the media to describe the newer functionality. By early 2016, many blockchains databases were up and running that were not built off of the bitcoin code base at all. Perhaps more importantly, industry adoption is accelerating, as blockchain databases are now being used by many large corporations including IBM, UBS, Deutsche Bank, Santander, Microsoft, etc.

Importantly, one of those databases, Ethereum, is a second-generation public blockchain that began running in July 2015, and fairly reliable researchers are describing it as a type of a world computer, with an odd set of properties, that could make it an important advance in not only database technology, but also computing technology.

I'm writing this here to invite any interested people from the Wikipedia database community to come and join in, learn from published sources, and then help improve Wikipedia coverage of this rapidly advancing technology space. Cheers. N2e (talk) 03:06, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I have worked with many different data formats, data transmissions and data storage formats but never viewed blockchain as a database. It is a means of data storage but is it really a database? I note that "blockchain databases are now being used by many large corporations including IBM, UBS, Deutsche Bank, Santander, Microsoft, etc." so will have to see what they are doing. At present, I am unconvinced because by the very nature of being a chain, they are not a base. A database is an ordered, structured, store of data typically accessed at will. Blockchain data can be stored in a database but that does not make blockchain a database. Or am I out of date? Varybit (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

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Merge discussion of Relational database management system into Relational database
There is a proposal to merge Relational database management system into Relational database, taking place at Talk:Relational_database. Knowledgeable editors are encouraged to participate. -- 19:10, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * This discussion stalled in a state of what I would judge to be non-consensus and the merge proposal has been inactive and in place for too long a time on articles of this importance. I backed out a a good faith attempt to perform the merge within the last 24 hours on technicalities but also concerned it may not have reflected discussion consensus.  I have prepared a variation of the proposal that might be more acceptable.  One option would be for the previous merger proposal to be closed and for my alternative to be submitted in a new discussion.  But that may be only one option.  But in all events I am too involved to bring things forward.  May I possibly ask a neutral who does not wish to become involved to review and to bring the discussion forward.  Knowledgeable people are most welcome to participate in discussions and content development.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:55, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

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