Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Devon/Archive 2

Monastery, Torquay - proposed deletion
I've proposed this article as I believe it falls short of the requirement for notability. The only thing distinctive about this former nightclub is that it closed down after a drug bust, which is nothing special really. Totnesmartin (talk) 19:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

South West Coast Path
South West Coast Path has now been a stable GA for over a year, with recent additions particularly in relation to some places in Cornwall. Apart from a few sections without citations I was wondering what others think would be needed to achieve the Featured article criteria? Would anyone from this wikiproject be interested in working on getting the South West Coast Path article to FA? I've started a discussion on Talk:South West Coast Path and comments are probably best put there.&mdash; Rod talk 11:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Ealdred (archbishop) and Tavistock Abbey
I'm trying to get Ealdred up to FA status, and need to nail down whether or not any of the ruins at Tavistock Abbey date from his time as abbot, which was about 1027 to 1046 or so. From the pictures I've seen, it would appear unlikely, they all have the pointed arch common to Gothic architecture, but I'd like to make sure. Anyone have any good leads to reliable sources that date the ruins? Ealdgyth - Talk 20:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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✅  Jolly  Ω   Janner  11:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Why did you make this edit ? The alerts worked fine. I'm confused.Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 23:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear to be displaying alerts, so I thought I was doing something wrong and therefore changed it.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  23:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's set up fine. There's just nothing to report right now.Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Local chapter for the Wikimedia Foundation
AndrewRT(Talk) 21:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Bigbury parish split
At the moment, Bigbury-on-Sea and St Ann's Chapel, which are both villages, redirect to Bigbury, which is a village and the collective parish for all of the villages. I think that Bigbury-on-Sea is notable enough to have its own article, not so sure about St Ann's, but it might be possible. If anything Bigbury-on-Sea is more notable than Bigbury-on-Land.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  16:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * BOS is probably notable (does having a Blue Flag beach count?), but I'm struggling to get any info abot St Ann's, beyond its having a post office and a pub. When a village doesn't have its own parish, information dries up. I suggest BOS as an article and St Anns as the current redirect. Totnesmartin (talk) 07:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, St Anne's is very small. Not sure why it has a Post Office.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  17:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Cullompton
I've been working on Cullompton for some time now and it is no longer start class IMHO but I'd be grateful if someone would give it a review and let me know what it now is. Any ideas for further improvement gratefully received (especially if you can provide references!)--NHSavage (talk) 07:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd give it a B-Class. Needs two or three more paragraphs in the lead for improvement (that's just at first glance). Referencing is generaly good. Totnesmartin also assessed it as B-Class.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  12:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I would like to think that Cullompton is plodding its way to GA status now (it has undergone a lot of expansion and IMHO improvement since it was given B-Class). There are two major issues I want to address - one is the Citation needed tags in the Government section, and the other is the fact that I don't have page numbers for the use of the Second Book of Cullompton. I hope that a book I have on order from the library will help with the first, and I plan to do the second this week. Other than that I'd like people's opinion on whether it is a suitable candidate for GA submission.--NHSavage (talk) 12:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have just submitted it for GA review. We will see.--NHSavage (talk) 08:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have started the review, and was hoping someone might respond. There are some issues with referencing and grammer. Bob1960evens (talk) 12:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Related Commons project
Folks here may be interested in this page, particularly those with a camera & an interest in Dartmoor! Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 15:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Photo request: Flybe headquarters
Hi! Would someone mind photographing the Flybe headquarters at Exeter Airport? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A photo of the HQ has been posted WhisperToMe (talk) 02:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Seaton spam
User:Seatonnet persists in adding spam links to Seaton. He/she owns these websites which makes it a conflict of interest as well as spam. I would appreciate members of this project keeping an eye on the article and this single purpose user, who has only ever edited the Seaton article because I don't want to fall foul of 3RR. --Simple Bob (talk) 22:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Watchlist'd.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  23:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Barnstaple - decontamination
There has recently been some quite comprehensive vandalism to the Barnstaple article in the past few days. Much had already been repaired, when I came across it, but I have also reinstated the section on Transport, which had been deleted completely. The whole article however, would probably benefit from a closer inspection by local experts to ensure all the damage has been repaired - some of the awards in "Britain in Bloom" look a little suspect, for example. Regards, Lynbarn (talk) 15:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll add it to my watchlist and vigorously check any new edits. Cheers,  Jolly  Ω   Janner  21:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Morwellham Quay
Can this be added to wiki project Devon? Only I'm not sure how these projects work... Fucking noob i am.--Frank Fontaine (talk) 21:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course! Usually any article that is located in Devon can be added to the WikiProject. People who were born, raised or are working in Devon can also be added to the project.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  21:43, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Template:Devon parishes
I started creating a navbox for the parishes of Devon, but I didn't expect it to be quite as big as it turned out. Do you think it would be better to use civil parish navboxes at the shire district level rather than one navbox for the entire county? (bare in mind that Devon is a rather large county). Could this somewhat large navbox still be used of value on articles? Or even as a navbox? (I mean, it collapses automatically anyway).  Jolly  Ω   Janner  21:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Pageview stats
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 * Excellent! Good to see that nine out of the 11 most-viewed articles are marked as "Top" importance.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  15:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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Flag of Plymouth
For you Janners, I've set up a stub for Flag of Plymouth using photos snatched on my phone last year (amazed no one has done it before). If the article survives the day, it would be good to have an svg file for the flag, plus a more artistic picture (see talk there). Woot Stevebritgimp (talk) 01:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Dartmoor map
Hi, I've created a location map for Dartmoor (which can be used in related articles), see Template:Location map United Kingdom Dartmoor. Also started a draft map at Talk:Dartmoor to show the key features on the moors, would be helpful if people here can add what's needed :)--Nilfanion (talk) 11:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Use of British Isles on Westward Ho!
--HighKing (talk) 13:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth requested move
I thought that with Plymouth being a top-importance article on the project, I would notify on the talk page that there is a discussion going on to move it to Plymouth, Devon and convert Plymouth to a disambiguation page.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  12:53, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Emperor of Exmoor
Would anyone with local knowledge of Exmoor (or hunting etc) be interested in taking a look at the recently created article (& deceased animal) Emperor of Exmoor.&mdash; Rod talk 13:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, funny this came up. Remember reading an article about it on the BBC yesterday and thought to myself "I bet there'll be a wiki article on this by tomorrow". And, I'm afraid I know nothing of Exmoor; never even visited it.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  13:55, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

NCI Froward Point - AfD
I have just created this article, one I believe is a well referenced article, though still a stub. The article was nominated for deletion despite being well references very shortly after I moved it to the main namespace. I believe that the article covers a notable item which has good local interest and local notability and that an article about it, a South Devon landmark close to Dartmouth, Kingswear and Brixham, warrants an article in its own right. Nonetheless all articles can be improved. My reason for noting the article here is in hope that others will join me in improving it. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 23:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Category:Devonshire cuisine
Somebody please tell me that Category:Devonshire cuisine isn't a joke. "Devonshire"? I feel like I woke up in a service station on the M5 with a crowd of of tourists in loud shirts and plaid shorts saying "How far is to Devonshire?" and "Gee, I love you people in Somersetshire". Anyone fancy getting the category renamed? --Simple Boba.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 03:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename, of course. The area is Devon.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to play the Devil's advocate, in my mind Devonshire is historical/traditional Devon, and if you look in the category, the items are... sporadic. We have clotted cream, which is current. Hog's pudding, which is borderline traditional. Devonshire eggs which I've never heard of but appears to be traditional and Pasty, which is pretty Cornish. Hardly the best argument against but I think the largest issue is the lack of articles. Can anyone think of any other Devon foods? I'm happy to write the articles.  Worm   09:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Eeewww...Yukkkkk.......!!. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

↑↑ On that subject...
Can anyone out there get an image of a Squab pie? the article is rather bereft of a picture of this interesting little delicacy. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 09:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Help on Three Hammers?
Ran across the article Three Hammers (apparently a kind of cider) on WP:UNCAT. This seems to be of great Devon pop-culture interest, so posting here in case anyone has any good references to add, or maybe a photo of a bottle, and/or the colourless cider in a glass? MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:35, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't find much info on it - I doubt if it is worthy of its own article. Even its manufacturer Devon Cider Company, which I see you created yesterday, doesn't seem notable either: a few notices that it has gone into administration hardly shows that it's worthy of notice. I've prodded them both, sorry. On the other hand, considering the size of the Cider article, I should think there's scope for a spinout of White cider, in which these topics could be mentioned. —S MALL  JIM   10:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Strike that. I find that Three Hammers survived an AfD in 2007 (apparently it is "legendary") - in view of its reputation, perhaps I'm lucky that I've never heard of it. Is it still made? There are more ghits for "Devon Cider brands" too, rather than its old name "Devon Cider Company" that I searched for. —S MALL JIM   11:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

WikiConference UK 2011 16 April 2011: Watershed Bristol
If you missed the Wikibanner, full details of the above at {http://wikiconferenceuk2011.eventbrite.com/} Jezhotwells (talk) 00:48, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Devon's hundreds
I think that the hundreds are really quite an important part of the history of the county. I started looking into this as I wanted a link for Cully to Hayridge (hundred) and it wasn't there. What is disappointing is that we seem really behind the curve on this compared to Cornwall and Dorset. I will strive to create stubs for all 32(!) hundreds but it would be nice to have some maps and more info on at least some of the larger hundreds. However, any extra help, especially if any map geeks out there would like to try and map the hundreds, would be very welcome.--NHSavage (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If only I still had my John Speede map... :( Might we be able to get away with using an online copy? Totnesmartin (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Speede would be very helpful but my ideal solution would be like what our Cornish neighbours have at Hundreds of Cornwall with a map for each hundred. Of course those lightweights only had 10 hundreds. ;-)--NHSavage (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Re mapping: have you made a request for a map at WP:GL/M? They are helpful, in my experience.  There is a map outlining the Devon hundreds in W. G. Hoskins' Devon (p. 51 of my 1972 edition) which could be used as a basis.  Interestingly the map shows 33 (not 32) hundreds (I haven't worked out where the anomaly is), and in the text he also makes the point that there were some changes in them over time.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip - it looks like a good place to ask. As to the changes - yes, I have started realising that (a little knowledge and all that).--NHSavage (talk) 16:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh one more thing - the Hoskins book you mention - is that "Devon and its People" or "Old Devon" as the only book of his in the wikipedia bibliography just titled Devon is from 1992.--NHSavage (talk) 20:54, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Curious there is a discussion on hundreds on this WikiProject. First one I've encountered as I've been informing projects of the discussion below. In the case of Hayridge, sources write it as hundred of Hayridge. I've not encountered outside of Wikipedia the usage of Hayridge (hundred). This is also the case of all the other hundreds I've read about in sources - they are either written as Hundred of Foo, or Foo Hundred. I think we should be flexible about which way we title an article, so as not to impose conformity for conformity's sake, but to follow reliable sources in titling articles on hundreds as either Hundred of Hayridge or Hayridge Hundred as appropriate.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  10:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that we should be flexible and of course we could always redirect Hayridge (Hundred) to Hayride Hundred of Hundred of Hayridge as we see fit. To be honest, I have only just started on the Hundreds of Devon and to get going I did a copy and paste from Penwith (hundred) so I am very open to suggestions. I am mostly interested in Hayridge (or Sulfretona) as Cullompton was within it. If you want to move feel free. I will then follow the new naming convention should I get round to adding the missing ones. --NHSavage (talk) 21:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hundreds
Should articles on hundreds be titled Foo (hundred) or Hundred of Foo? Input and comments please at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  09:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Exeter Trams articles
I would welcome more comments on my proposed merger of the articles on the Exeter Trams. See Talk:Exeter_tram_system. --NHSavage (talk) 07:54, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Gotham House
Dr. Blofeld and myself have been working on the article for Gotham House, Tiverton. There's a newspaper report that says the house is "rumoured to be haunted", but I haven't been able to find anything else out about this. Can anybody help? Is there a mention in Peter Underwood's Ghosts of Devon for example? Thanks, Moswento talky 14:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't have a copy of Underwood, but a Google book search has no hits on "gotham" in the book. The house turns up a number of times in the British Newspaper Archive, up to 1913, but it's mostly the usual trivia - births, marriages, deaths, auctions/sale notices, etc. Though in 1887 a woman who lived at Gotham House was badly injured after falling from a moving train at Tiverton Station. She was taken home where she died a few hours later after the amputation of one of her legs. That's a good origin for a ghost story if you fancy a bit of OR ;-) Oh, and Mrs Poyntz and her daughter "pluckily" dealt with a fire in the breakfast room in 1900. The only other mention I can find is in the Transactions of the Devonshire Association, 1907 - a brief mention that the old entrance to the house was originally ten feet lower than the present entrance. Not much use, sorry. —S MALL  JIM   17:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Casa del Rio
Can anyone help, please, with pictures of, and coordinates for, Casa del Rio at Newton Ferrers? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Andy. It's at 50° 19′ 04″ N, 04° 03′ 07″ W according to Google Earth. I don't have a photo; none on geograph.org either as far as I can see. Thanks for the pointer, though - just iPlayed the interesting BBC4 programme. —S MALL  JIM   14:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you liked the programme. I found no suitable licensed images on Flickr, either, but did find a few others and have asked of we can use them. I've added your coordinates to the article; and they've also enabled me to add the building to OpenStreetMap. Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

North Devon's Biosphere Reserve
A page I've recently written, North Devon's Biosphere Reserve, is up at good article nominations at the moment. It'd be great if it could be reviewed by someone who is knowledgeable about Devon. Many thanks, Jack (talk) 11:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

The Armada Service
Does anyone have access to Plymouth newspapers of 1827 and in particular to any comtemporary reports of the buried treasure found by three employees of the Splat family of potato-growers in the Brixham area? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Please help get Devon ready for the start of the Wiki Loves Monuments competition on 1st September
This September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (grades I or grade II*), as recorded by English Heritage. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?

In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in England, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?

Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by English Heritage. These use pre formatted templates (eg EH header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.

The data still needs the attention of local editors:
 * The "title" may need wikilinking to a suitable article name (whether we currently have that article or not). If there are several buildings in one street all of the wikilinks point at an article about the street; however each entry has a separate line in the list.
 * The "location" column looks and sorts better if just the parish or town is included (& wikilinked).
 * The "date completed" column sometimes has eg "C19" for 19th century, and "C1850" for c. 1850 when the date is uncertain - these need to be corrected manually.
 * The "grid ref & lat & long" (which is occasionally missing) may be given to 8 characters — only 6 (grid ref) or 5 (lat & long) are really needed.
 * Clicking on the "list entry number" should take you to the data sheet for that entry on the English Heritage database which can be checked if needed for details.
 * The image column should have a picture added if we already have a suitable image on Commons. (N.B. if you are going to be taking photos yourself for inclusion in the competition don't upload them until September)
 * References may be added according to normal WP practice.

For further information, please see [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom. ]

If you have any queries, please post them not below but on the Organizers' help page on Commons.

Anything you can do to help improve these lists will be much appreciated. '''The final deadline for cleaning up is 31st August.

--MichaelMaggs (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Featured photos
Excellent though they are, all those photos on the main Devon Wikiproject page slow down the loading and make it harder to get to the content below them. I propose they are moved to their own subpage, just keeping one or two of the best (of Herby's of course!). Thinking of doing the same with the list of participants too. Any comments? —S MALL JIM   15:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No objections to this after a week, so I'm moving stuff around. —S MALL  JIM   17:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Resources
I've just added the first draft of a new resources page listing books and internet sites that are likely to be useful for article writing. —S MALL JIM   00:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)