Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/North Korea

Aho-dong
Aho-dong (아호동) appears to be a tong in Haewŏl-myŏn (해월면), Paech'ŏn-kun (배천군), South Hwanghae, North Korea. We don't generally have articles for tong or myŏn, and we don't even have an article yet for Paech'ŏn-kun. I suspect that the Aho-dong article may have been started just because it showed up as a place name on some online weather maps near the DMZ. But since it is such a minor locality, we may never have enough information about it to flesh out the article, leaving it therefore in perpetual orphan status. Can anybody find more info on it? --Reuben 18:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Sinpo/Sinp'o/Sinpho
I saw Visviva's comment about using the official "Sinpho" instead of "Sinpo". Personally, I find this h-for-' convention quite unhelpful. Wikipedia is free to use whatever naming conventions are familiar and/or convenient for English speakers, whether they match the official recommendations or not, and in this case, I think it's best to stick with regular McCune-Reischauer. --Reuben 04:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, but note the precedent of Nampho. -- Visviva 12:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Kaesŏn?
Kaesŏn and Kaeson both redirect to Kaechon. I can't find anything about that as an alternate name, though. Most of the web hits for Kaeson seem to be misspellings of Kaesong. There's also a street in Pyongyang, but that doesn't appear to be connected with Kaechon. Should the redirects be moved to Kaesong? Or is there more to this? --Reuben 06:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Having some experience with the originator of those pages, I think it was probably just a mistake. A redirect to Kaesong would be an improvement, I think; that's a fairly likely typo. -- Visviva 08:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: judging from the page history, the redirect is simply left over from a move; the article was originally at Kaesŏn; however, it does not seem likely that anyone else would make that mistake, so I'm changing the redirects to Kaesong. -- Visviva 08:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions
Hi all,

I'd like to revisit our naming conventions for North Korean topics. Please voice an opinion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean). Happiness, -- Visviva 06:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

North Korea articles needing geographical coordinates
There are now only five North Korean location articles left which lack geographical coordinates.

The articles in question are listed in Category:North Korea articles missing geocoordinate data. At the time of writing, they were:
 * Bukgwan Victory Monument
 * North Korea Peace Museum
 * Pyongsong
 * Sinpo
 * Songrim

The articles are all marked with coord missing tags, which need to be replaced with coord tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members.

Please let me know if this is useful. -- The Anome (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Places in North Korea
I've just taken a short sample of the places listed in the North Korea Uncovered KML dataset, and listed them at User:The Anome/North Korea places. Would anyone be interested in a fuller list of these names? -- The Anome (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikiproject
I think North Korea should have it's own wikiproject instead of being a task force for wikiproject Korea. We can be a seperate wikiproject but still belong to wikiproject Korea kinda how wikiproject Greenland is it's own wikiproject but it's part of wikiproject Denmark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spongie555 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Along with this, can someone please help this situation? User:DPRKWiki created a page in the wrong namespace, and has been combative ever since. Can someone help him create the proper page in the right location so we can resolve this situation? &mdash; Timneu22 · &#32; talk 15:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

MfD
Hello all, please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject North Korea (2nd nomination), as a single individual (who has since been blocked for operating a large Sockfarm) attempts to undermine and take over the burden of this entire community project, please comment there to address the issue. Best. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 10:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Sunan Airport and Air Koryo
Does anyone know if Air Koryo has its own head office building at Sunan Airport, or if the airline's offices are in the airport terminal? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Help
I am making an article on a mountain range in North Korea, but I'm having trouble finding sources. Can someone please help me? Here is the link to the page. Help me! Agent 78787 (talk) 00:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Template request?
Hi!

I started to make a template for an infobox for railway stations in DPRK, but realised that that it's a bit beyond my abilites at the moment. It is at Template:Infobox_DPRK_Railway_Station. I'd like it to have an image space (possibly with a DPRK Railway logo as a placeholder?) and slots for the name in Chosongul, MR and RR; for the former (colonial-era) name if applicable - in Kanji, chosongul and the romanisations (this could be one that is not included if left blank); for the line the station is on, for the previous and next stations on the line (this is a part that should be able to be repeated if the station is on multiple lines; I don't know of any stations on more than three lines, so three such sections should be enough - again, like the "former name" section, omitted if left blank); and for the location of the station (city/town/whatever). I think that should be sufficient.

The stations that currently have pages are using the infobox-template for the Seoul metro, which serves in a pinch but is South-specific in terms of namings and is also quite specific to the Seoul metro for line assignations...

After I've got the line pages done I'll start adding the station pages, though piecemeal, interspersed with further work on the main Korean State Railway page.

Thanks for your attention! 2Q (talk) 21:19, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

AfD North Korea–Serbia relations
There is an AfD on an article titled North Korea - Serbia relations. The article was not linked to the North Korea project and may be of interest to members. NealeFamily (talk) 08:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Korean Film
I'm opening a new, actually redug, post on the keeping or deleting of Infobox Korean Film at Template Talk about. Any thoughts would be appreciated. ₪Rick n Asia₪ 05:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Cult of personality and PDS system
I've thought about starting 2 new articles, one that deals specifically with the Kim family cult of personality and the other that would expand upon the Public Distribution System in the country. Before I began though I wanted to see if anyone thought there would be any reason *not* to write the articles and to get general feedback. Thanks, Coinmanj (talk) 00:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Here's my sandbox for the cult of personality article User:Coinmanj/sandbox. Feel free to help edit it, add sources etc. Hoping to publish it in the next few days.Coinmanj (talk) 22:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The article's finished, North Korea's cult of personality. I'm now working on one for their postal system, check my sandbox if you wish to help. Coinmanj (talk) 23:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Sinyang County
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Sinyang County, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks,  Tyrol5   [Talk]  04:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Discussion about Template talk:Kim Jong-il family
There's a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea of primary concern to this working group. Jason Quinn (talk) 18:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

North Korea specific portal
Hi! To complement the North Korea portal on the Chinese Wikipedia, I started Portal:North Korea WhisperToMe (talk) 03:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

sabotage from north korea
I was wondering whether North Korean government tries to influence Wikipedia. After all, most of the information here is probably not "regime-friendly". Beside the fact that wikipedia is probably not very well known in NK, have there been any attempts to sabotage informations about North Korea in the past?


 * There have been allegations of this at the articles on Kim Jong-un, Air Koryo, Human rights in North Korea, and Media coverage of North Korea. (These are only the examples I've noticed.) I have never seen any evidence of it.--Jack Upland (talk) 03:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I would also be interested in this... I'd even go as far as to say that some more North Korean government sources for articles may be a good thing, as it can be rather difficult finding sources for the "official" line Gwatts88 (talk) 23:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes. The implication of the allegation is that North Koreans are not allowed to edit Wikipedia, which is false. I haven't seen any evidence of it, or any evidence of any serious political manipulation by anyone, despite enquiries. It's an easy allegation to make. I've been accused of being North Korean in the past. Easy to disprove.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:39, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Still no evidence.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:37, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * was recently banned for pro-North Korea and accused of being a North Korean agent, though there is no strong evidence for the latter.--Jack Upland (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * See also this: . There is still no evidence that anyone is a North Korean agent.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Inactive project - let's merge it to WP:KOREA
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea. This talk page has not been used for two years; NK topics should be discussed at WT:KOREA. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Would someone like to merge Draft:Mid 1950s Purge of Soviet Koreans with August Faction Incident?
I see that this project is not very active, but perhaps there is an editor who could pull in material and sources from the history of this redirected draft article to improve the mainspace article, which is poorly sourced. This was recommended by the reviewer, but the creating editor never returned to do it. I am not familiar with this topic myself.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 10:54, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Having finished my draft on Chu Yong-ha literally minutes ago, I know something about the topic. I'll take a look at it and see what I can do, . Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 11:02, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Question
Do you think it's dangerous Publishing information about North Korea here? Because now the sitacion in North Korea is complicated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feryeah13 (talk • contribs) 04:23, 21 March 2016‎
 * No, not in any sense. Wikipedia is not censored and even information that is inconvenient to some is published if it's encyclopedic. Information here on North Korea caters neither to the needs of those who support or oppose the regime, but is written from a neutral point of view. It's our understanding that free access to neutral and factual information is not dangerous. Your question could mean many things: is it dangerous for the readers, the writers, the regime, ordinary North Koreans, individuals we have articles on, world peace? There are many avenues to approach the question, but all of them probably lead to the same conclusion: not dangerous. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:19, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

New source
WhisperToMe (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Broinowski, Anna. "True or false: the 'kooky' North Korea stories they couldn't make up – but did." The Guardian. June 1, 2015.
 * This has been used in Media coverage of North Korea.--Jack Upland (talk) 02:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Notification of RFC for Korean MOS in regard to romanization
Should we use McCune-Reischauer or Revised for topics relating to pre-1945 Korea? Those inclined, please contribute here. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 06:20, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Otto Warmbier listed at Requested moves
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Are images published in KCNA copyrighted?
In Wikimedia Commons there is the following tag for some works by the DPRK that are in the public domain: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-North_Korea

Which says that some works are in the public domain, according to the Copyright Law of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, enacted 2001, amended 2006: http://www.wipo.int/edocs/lexdocs/laws/en/kp/kp001en.pdf

This law among other things says:
 * Article 12 (Exclusion): Documents for state management, current news or information data shall not be the object of copyright unless commercial purpose is pursued.

The language is somewhat vague as to whether the exclusion of copyright of news also applies to news images published by KCNA.

Maybe I am splitting hairs here, but maybe article 14.2 has some bearing on this:


 * Article 14 (Moral right): The moral right of the copyright owner shall be as follows:
 * 1. the right to determine the publication of their works;
 * 2. the right to make public his name in the works; and

KCNA-published pictures have no author attribution. Would this be further indication that the DPRK considers them in them to be free of copyright?

I am asking this to the community because I have some interest in uploading some images published by KCNA into Wikimedia Commons as I feel there is a lack of imagery on North Korea in numerous wikipedia articles (and I don't see why the broader dissemination of their officially published images would run against their interests, quite the contrary), but want to first seek others' opinions. , could you also kindly weigh in? Thank you.(talk) user:Al83tito 02:18, 06 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the belated reply. I didn't get the ping. The answer is that KCNA photos are copyright. We've discussed this many times. The lack of an author attribution is irrelevant. KCNA regularly asserts its copyrights.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Dear Participants of WikiProject Korea/North Korea,

Thank you for your efforts and contribution of Wikipedia. Please refer to this Invitation to AfD and let us know your opinion for this article whether it should be "Keep", "Delete", "Merge", "Redirect", or other view Comment  on the top page of Peace Treaty with North Korea, please click the link this article's entry for your valuable opinion. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 09:40, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reference link : Wikietiquette about AfD

Discussion about the project banner
Please see discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:45, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

New information on the State Security Department
Found this article while conducting more research. It's detailed with the bureaus that make it up. Ominae (talk) 07:27, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Obsessions
Most editors seem to be obsessed with:
 * the leaders' photographs,
 * the leaders' titles, or
 * the political description of North Korea.--Jack Upland (talk) 19:18, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Add photo for Ri Chun-hee?
I would like to propose adding a non-free photo of Ri Chun-hee (the North Korean TV news presenter), per a fair use exemption. Normally, the "pictures of people still alive" condition would bar fair use of a non-free picture of a living person, on the assumption that a free image may eventually become available. But it would appear vanishingly unlikely for anyone to ever be able to obtain a free photo of Ms. Ri under any circumstances — much less a picture of her in the pink attire that is an essential part of her persona and her notability. So, I'm strongly inclined to argue that a non-free photo of her, taken from a screen grab of a South Korean or other foreign news broadcast, would be appropriate. Comments? — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 02:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The exceptions for living people are (by the way of WP:FFD discussion consensus) rather limited: recluses, fugitives and incarcerated people have been exempt. We've never made an exception (and we've tried) for somebody for the simple reason of being a resident of one country such as North Korea. Commentary about her attire cut the mustard, but only if you can source it to realible sources and a picture is actually needed for the reader to comprehend what's being talked about. That she often wears a pink dress is not hard to understand without a picture. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Inadequate and unrealistic, IMO and with all possible respect. What do others think about this?  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 05:51, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Everyone please be aware that I've initiated a discussion on Commons (commons:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright) regarding whether or not the photo I had proposed here might in fact be in the public domain, as a work of (or under the control of) the North Korean government. Right now, a request has been made for a Korean speaker to examine a portion of the North Korean copyright law, to see whether or not the summary thereof in the  template is accurate.  Anyone interested in contributing to that discussion — which, being on Commons, operates under different ground rules than a non-free-use-rationale determination here on enwiki — please feel free to do so.  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 19:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

About A Translation To The Charter Of The Workers' Party Of The DPRK
According to its article on Wikipedia, the last leaked Charter was from 2010 (You can see it by clicking here) and was written in Korean (probably the North Korean dialect) so we need to translate it into English and should also get hold of the last version of the Charter and translate it also. Also, we should update the articles: The Constitution of North Korea / The Ten Principles For The Establishment Of The One-Ideology System, because they've broken links and outdated information.190.219.8.12 (talk) 22:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * (Write your answers to my question here.)

Featured list candidates/1st Central Committee of the Workers' Party of North Korea/archive1
Hi

The list 1st Central Committee of the Workers' Party of North Korea is currently a FL nominee. If you're interested in reviewing the FL please give comments. --Ruling party (talk) 11:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol

 * New Page Patrol needs experienced volunteers
 * New Page Patrol is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles, including North Korea related articles. We could use a few extra hands on deck if you think you can help.
 * Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines ; Wikipedia needs experienced users to perform this task and there are precious few with the appropriate skills. Even a couple reviews a day can make a huge difference.
 * If you would like to join the project and help out, please see the granting conditions and review our instructions page. You can apply for the user-right HERE. --John B123 (talk) 12:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)