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New article Sikhism in Afghanistan
I was suprised to see that this article didn't yet exist, so I've created Sikhism in Afghanistan. Any more input folks can provide would be great. Stability Information East 2 (talk) 05:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

draw up a list of articles needing improvement
Anybody who is interested in improving sikhism related articles should add to the list of articles below that they think need improvement, and I'll start with the three below. It seems like this wikiproject petered out, please respond if you want to bring it back!--Profitoftruth85 (talk) 21:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Misl
 * Sikh Empire
 * Tat Khalsa

Replacement of the word "Sikhs" in Wikipedia Categories
There is currently a proposal to change the category: Category:Sikhs to Category:Sikh people, which is part of the batch of changes being proposed in this discussion. If successful, it will probably be followed by moves to replace the word "Sikhs" through the Wikipedia categories by the words "Sikh people". Davshul (talk) 20:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Replacement of the word "Sikhs" in Wikipedia Categories
There is currently a proposal to change the category: Category:Sikhs to Category:Sikh people, which is part of the batch of changes being proposed in this discussion. If successful, it will probably be followed by moves to replace the word "Sikhs" through the Wikipedia categories by the words "Sikh people". Davshul (talk) 20:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Harbhajan Singh Yogi
The Harbhajan Singh Yogi article needs some significant maintenance. It has two separate neutrality tags and three others that date back to September 2008. Plus there are sourcing issues. Please make improvements to it or at least watchlist it so it won't deteriorate further.  Will Beback   talk    08:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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Help polishing Sikhism in Afghanistan?
I've been working on Sikhism in Afghanistan recently, and expanded it significantly. I'd appreciate any help on working this article. In particular, I'd like to add some info on the Afghan Sikh diasporas in the UK and India, and to expand the section on Jalalabad, as well as add more history on how the Sikhs came to arrive in Afghanistan, context of the Sikh-Afghan wars, etc. Any other suggestions on how to expand the article? Is there anyone who can read Punjabi or Hindi who can check some online reputable news sources for coverage? MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:40, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed annual interreligious discussion
I have proposed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion that we maybe create a page for the discussion of all religious topics, religion-specific and otherwise, and any other matters, including collaboration and discussion of contentious issues. Any input there would be more than welcome. John Carter (talk) 19:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Added pics of Sikh-American soldiers
To improve Military history of Sikh Americans, I've uploaded and add the following pics; thought folks might enjoy these:

If anyone knows of any good reliable source, and/or photographs, of American Sikhs in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. Please let me know. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

InterWikiProject Collaboration
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Do we need a page for Ek Noor Khalsa Fauj?
I ran across mention of this Indian militant group online, but we have (as best as I can tell) no article. Do we need an article for them, and/or a redirect to an existing article? MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Panthic.org
Hi Team, I have a real problem with the above mentioned website being used as reference material. The site itself professes to be a propaganda website and I have checked many of the article against Times of India, BBC and other websites and they tend to be WP:Fringe to say the least as well as not WP:Reliable.Thanks S H 11:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you point out a few articles where Panthic cites are being used that concern you? That context would help. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Over-use of primary source at Sikh Rehat Maryada
I'm concerned that instead of being an article about the Sikh Rehat Maryada, this is just copying the document and presenting it with little context or critical analysis. I racked my brains for a good well-developed article to compare this to, conceptually, and came up with Ten Commandments. Notice how that article does mention the basic 10, but the actual text thereof takes up very little of the article, which is primarily focused on the overall implications of the Commandments. I suggest that ideally this article should be similar, and not just quoting the SGPC's publication at length. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed MOS for Religion
There is now a proposed general Manual of Style for Religion and other articles relating to ethoses or belief systems at WikiProject Religion/Manual of style. Any input would be welcome. I personally believe at least one of the reasons why many articles in this field have been as contentious as they have been is because of lack of such guidelines, and would very much welcome any input from others to help come up with some generally acceptable solutions to some of these problems. John Carter (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Lists of gurdwaras
I have fixed up the List of gurdwaras somewhat, removing addresses and phone numbers, and consolidating the sub lists, putting unsourced lists of gurdwaras into their respective talk pages. What is now needed is for articles to be created, or at least references other than the websites of the gurdwaras. I'm afraid that WP policy doesnt allow such long stand alone lists of subjects, without references showing notability. I have not deleted any of the names, not knowing much at all about whether some of them are really quite notable. I have no idea how small some gurdwaras are, how many Sikhs attend, and how many people in general are fed each day. Im not going to delete names myself, but someone could easily come along and do so.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not exactly the same, but a similarly formatted article, List of universities in Iran, got an overwhelming keep at AfD. This is not to say that references wouldn't help—on the contrary, they should be added—but their absence probably won't be enough to delete the list or anything. --BDD (talk) 23:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, these lists should probably stand as articles, and many of the buildings are likely notable, as are universities, even if only say 10 or 20 are notable for each list. Yes, the universities list is not well formatted, but i agree it deserves to stand. I wonder if an AFD would attract attention to the gurdwara list? seems a long way around to do it.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It likely would, but some editors would probably consider that WP:POINTy (cf. WP:NOTCLEANUP). I consider myself an eventualist, but some articles are going to look like that for a long time. I don't expect extensive coverage of many gurudwaras in English-language sources anytime soon, but who knows? --BDD (talk) 18:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Shiromani Akali Dal
Hi folks. There's a bit of confusion regarding one (or two?) splinter Sikh political parties from the early 90s. The articles are tagged as WikiProject India, so I've asked for information there. I'm not sure whether Sikh political parties are within the scope of your project or if you focus on religious topics (I considered tagging the articles myself). Either way, I'd appreciate your feedback there; I'm watching that page. Best, BDD (talk) 23:33, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about checking over there; no one seemed to know anything. If you can help, I'd appreciate hearing from you on my talk page. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Major cleanup needed at Sikh Rehat Maryada
Greetings, just wanted to bring to the group's attention that Sikh Rehat Maryada is in dire need of cleanup (and has been since 2008). If the topic is as important as it appears, it might be worth prioritising. It's phrased in a very internal-Sikhism way that's not accessible for non-Sikh readers, relies heavily on primary sources, and has little cohesion. Among many issues, it fails to clarify what Sikh practices are created or enshrined by this specific code of conduct, how so/when, and what are simply long-standing practices.

Thanks for considering tackling this article and giving it proper sourcing and clear phrasing that can help explain Sikh theology to an audience of both Sikhs and non-Sikhs. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:08, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Theopolitical Capital of Sikhs and Sikhism
Just a heads up: Theopolitical Capital of Sikhs and Sikhism is up for deletion. It looks unlikely to survive, but you might want to see if there's anything that could usefully live elsewhere. Jpatokal (talk) 23:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Lubana sikh
This article needs a tremendous amount of work, plus it LOOKS, although I can't prove it, that it's copied from some other source. 216.93.234.239 (talk) 23:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

"Dharmic writers"
Some time ago (2007), the article Dharmic religion was deleted after this deletion discussion and redirected to Indian religions. Category:Dharmic religions was deleted in 2008 after this deletion discussion. There is currently a deletion discussion about the final remnant category of these POV forks, Category:Dharmic writers. Attention may also need to be paid to, which contains such occultists as Helena Blavatsky. This all seems rather ill-defined and not source based. Please consider participating in this discussion. Thank you. Yworo (talk) 17:09, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Authenticity of "52 Hukams of Guru Gobind Singh"
Are the "52 Hukams of Guru Gobind Singh" authentic? I couldn't find any authoritative source which states that these were given by the Guru himself. Google leads to some forum discussions which question the authenticity of these "52 hukams", pointing out that the language used is modern Punjabi which was not prevalent around 1700 CE. Can anyone please confirm the authenticity? utcursch | talk 02:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Answered by User:CorrectKnowledge at WT:IND. utcursch | talk 17:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Amrit Sanchar Article
The Amrit Sanchar article has been titled "Amrit Sanskar". I don't see a way to change the title on the existing page. What would be required to fix this so that the changes propagate everywhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsmodi (talk • contribs) 10:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

New article Gurdwaras Act of 1925
New article I wrote, having noted that we had no single article covering this important piece of legislation which legally defined Sikhism and turned control of historic gurudwaras over to mainline Sikhs. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Also Delhi Sikh Gurdwaras Act of 1971. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

New article Sikhism in Greece
The new article Sikhism in Greece, needs some TLC, as it has been written by someone who's English is not very good. I have cleaned up the article a little with some technical edits,  but it needs an expert on Sikhism to look it over the text and improve it. -- PBS (talk) 13:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Gurcharan Singh Bhikhi (Sidki)
Hello friends, I'm not sure if this is the best place for this, but I was doing some rounds and came across this unsourced article and was wondering if anyone at WikiProject Sikhism could take a gander and help figure out whether or not the gent is notable. And for my own cultural edification (and please forgive my ignorance) what is the appropriate name to use in the article to be consistent with WP:SURNAME, specifically for subsequent use? Is it Singh? Bhikhi? (The gentleman was born in the town of Bhikhi.) I just want to avoid saying "He did this, he did that". Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:01, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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Gurcharan Singh Bhikhi again
Hi, I know that this WikiProject might be dead, but I thought I'd ask for guidance again. An article on Gurcharan Singh Bhikhi (Sidki) is unsourced. Anybody know who he is? The chief contributors have not done anything to establish his notability. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:50, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Request Expert attention Prohibitions in Sikhism
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