Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taoism

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GA reassessment of Toki Pona
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 * I can see no particular reason to oppose any of those selected, but I would welcome any input of any other parties as to whether there are additional articles they think may have been excluded. John Carter (talk) 15:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Several of these proposed "Taoism articles" only marginally refer to Taoism. Emperor Wen of Sui was more of a Buddhist, Xingyiquan mentions Taoist cosmology once, Shen Kuo only has the "Song Dynasty Taoists" category, and the constructed language Toki Pona was "inspired by Taoist philosophy, among other things". Perhaps some better articles could be found in the Portal:Taoism. Keahapana (talk) 00:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed that many of the articles selected are only peripheral in many cases. They are however evidently tagged with the Taoism banner, and were selected on the basis of their overall importance, whether that related directly to Taoism or not. However, if you do have specific suggestions in mind, I would be glad to suggest them for inclusion. John Carter (talk) 14:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed expansion of scope
I have proposed possibly expanding the scope of this project, and a few others. For the purposes of centralized discussion, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 15:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Longevity myths
Looking for more eyes on the above article, which touches on Taoist ideas about longevity. There are disputes about the scope of the article - is it original synthesis, and on the appropriate sources. Please do come over and comment. Also threads at Fringe theories noticeboard. Itsmejudith (talk) 23:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Dragon Gate Taoism
For this page, someone should read and summarize the work of the late Monica Esposito (formerly of Kyoto University) and other experts on Quanzhen Daoism, such as Stephen Eskildsen (University of Tennessee) and Louis Komjathy (University of San Diego).

Guangchengzi (talk) 20:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed annual interreligious discussion
I have proposed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion that there be some sort of annual discussion, possibly on a special page, for discussion of religious material here in wikipedia. Any input there would be more than welcome. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Request for input in discussion forum
Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at WikiProject Religion/2011 meeting, and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome. John Carter (talk)

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Proposed change in scope and name of group
This group seems to have been very inactive of late. Part of that might be, unfortunately, that Taoism per se is a rather abstruse subject. So far as I can tell, Taoism may have been, basically, integrated into the broader field of Chinese folk religion some time ago. Much, if not most, of that broader subject also relates to Taoism, as most aspects of Chinese folk religion include Taoist material. Also, I think having a group which specifically includes subjects like Confucianism and other Chinese traditions would also be useful.

I propose that the name of this group be changed either to Chinese religion, or, possibly, Religion in China. I personally would prefer the latter, as it seems to me that perhaps even some of the other religious traditions which have figured strongly in the history of China, including the Assyrian Church of the East, and maybe some of the other groups which have been found to be "evil cults" according to the PRC will also have a lot of crossover material in content relevant to modern Chinese religion. I would very much welcome any input. John Carter (talk) 21:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that changing the scope of the project will have any effect on activity. Sadly the number of people who are capable of contributing to this topic is rather low. I was once more active here, but alas, after I lost access to the university library upon graduation, I also lost the the ability to write good articles. My only concern in changing the scope is that if you include all Chinese religions, you will need to include Islam, Christianity and Buddhism. Perhaps a better way to put it would be rename the project 'Traditional Chinese Religions.Zeus1234 (talk) 03:55, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was rather intentionally considering at least the possibility of including Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism. There already are separate, admittedly not particularly active, groups on Christianity in China, Tibetan Buddhism, and the Falun Gong. But in many of these cases these topics do share something in common - some degree of problem with the government of the PRC. At least in that regard, it might help if there were some degree of cooperation on the topic. The Human Rights Torch Relay and Tibetan Freedom Relay, for example, were both covered rather extensively at the time of the last Olympics, often in the same articles. There seems to be some similar overlap in some other material relating to these groups as well. I do not believe that this content should be over emphasized, but there is the apparent overlap. And I'm not sure exactly how to define Chinese folk religion or whatever the related term is. Anyway, that was why I was considering the broader topic. John Carter (talk) 15:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Your proposal sounds worthwhile but reaches much wider than Daoist philosophy and religion. Rather than renaming this moribund WikiProject, it might be better to start a more general one on Chinese religions. You could make the proposal on WP:CHINA and WP:RELIGION (which lists "Chinese folk religion" as a potential work group) to determine levels of interest. Also, for an excellent (though somewhat dated) overview of Daoism, I recommend Holmes Welch's Taoism: The Parting of the Way. Keahapana (talk) 20:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm actually the person who first proposed the various work groups of the Religion Project, so know about the proposal. And it is a rather common practice these days in several projects to attempt to revive groups by either exppansion or other means. Personally, given that in practice, so far as I can tell, many of the "Taoist" temples also include other religions, it seems somewhat logical to me to make the expansion to Chinese folk religion, which includes all of those sites, and potentially other subjects as well. John Carter (talk) 21:57, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Pinyin vs Wade-Giles at Taiji/T'ai chi
It has been proposed in that Taiji be renamed and moved to Taiji (concept) because T'ai chi ch'uan, “T'ai chi”, is arguably the WP:PRIME target for English speakers. Misspellings, pinyin and Wade-Giles renditions of a word all mean exactly the same thing, however, an "RfD" on certain redirects, seeks to avoid the WP:PRIME guideline by an admittedly fictional distinction: “Pinyin vs Wade-Giles is an unfortunate circumstance brought about by laymen, but the truth is that the (usage) ambiguity surrounds the Wade-Giles version(s), so sadly the line is actually between pinyin & WG, when there shouldn't even be one”.—Machine Elf 1735  21:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

"Dao of Wikipedia" ;)
I had a little fun writing an essay WP:Dao of Wikipedia. I'm not really very knowledgeable, though, so if someone wants to look it over to make sure I haven't been too stupid or even offensive about it, it would be most welcome. Wnt (talk) 15:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Wnt, this is a great idea. Some suggested changes would be adding "The" to the title, removing the Wenyen punctuation, and changing "three million" to "myriad." Best wishes, Keahapana (talk) 20:08, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead with the second two suggestions; I'm not sure about moving the page since it makes it marginally harder to Wikilink. Thanks! Wnt (talk) 05:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Improving taijiquan lineage trees
Please assist by weighing in on the new proposed lineage trees. I'm in need of assistance with gathering information on the lineages and constructive feedback. I will add the links to the trees for the remaining styles as I build them. Thanks. InferKNOX (talk) 19:16, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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Include my article in Category: Taoist Texts page?
Treatise on the Response of the Tao - nathanielfirst — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanielfirst (talk • contribs) 03:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed MOS for Religion
There is now a proposed general Manual of Style for Religion and other articles relating to ethoses or belief systems at WikiProject Religion/Manual of style. Any input would be welcome. I personally believe at least one of the reasons why many articles in this field have been as contentious as they have been is because of lack of such guidelines, and would very much welcome any input from others to help come up with some generally acceptable solutions to some of these problems. John Carter (talk) 22:06, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Taoism/Tao Te Ching
FYI, both Taoism and Tao Te Ching have been proposed to be renamed to the Pinyin romanization, see Talk:Tao Te Ching -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 22:40, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Lists of articles in reference books
I am in the process of going through various print reference sources relating to the religion and individual religions, and making lists of the articles they contain, as well as some indication of the relative length of those articles and of any subarticles they might have. I have just started a list for this project at WikiProject Taoism/Encyclopedic articles, and will try to add material from other sources as I can go through them. But I believe that having such lists will not only make it easier to determine what should be contained in a given article, but also which topics might be notable enough to have spinout articles from existing articles, and which topics might not yet be covered at all. I hope to be adding to the list with similar lists of articles from other reference sources in the next few months as well. John Carter (talk) 21:35, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

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Uniformation of names of Chinese gods
At the present state, we have a great variability in the titles of articles about Chinese gods (ex. Erlang Shen, Caishen, Lei Gong...).

I suggest to adopt a regulation, with the -shen version of names and diacritical pinyin as standards, for example:
 * Erlang Shen → Èrlángshén
 * Caishen → Cáishén
 * Lei Gong → Léishén

The use of diacritics would also resolve the problem of homography in non-diacritical pinyin of many of these gods' names, for example the 雨神 Yushen (Rain God), and the 狱神 Yushen (Purgatory God), which with diacritics would be, respectively Yǔshén and Yùshén.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 15:45, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Uniformation of names of Taoist sects
At the moment there isn't a standard of style for the name of articles about the Taoist schools. We have full translations such as Way of the Five Pecks of Rice or Dragon Gate Taoism, semi-translated titles such as Shangqing School and Quanzhen School, and untranslated names such as Zhengyi Dao and Wuliupai (also styling pinyin differently, the former separating the concepts, the latter not).

A regulation would put an order into this confusion. What I suggest is to adopt a regulation that would distinguish the name of recognized Taoist sects from the many folk religions:
 * Solution n.1: 全真道 Quanzhendao → article title: Quanzhen Taoism
 * Solution n.2: full translation: 全真道 Quanzhendao → article title: Full Reality Taoism

Solution 1 would be the best choice, since Chinese characters usually translate an entire semantic field of Western languages and not single words. Full translation would generate controversies in translating, for example, Quanzhendao as Full Reality Way rather than Full Truth Way, and so on.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 15:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

This is a dormant project
This Wiki-Project Taoism has been inactive for a very long time now, and the articles about Taoism, schools and deities, are in an atrocious state.

I think that the best solution at this point would be to transform Wiki-Project Taoism into Wiki-Project Chinese religion, that would extend its scope to all other forms of Chinese religion and religion in China. This would, perhaps, attract a larger base of active contributors.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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Article request
Barefoot immortal (赤腳大仙)- is a deity in Taoist religion, He is a mentor of the Mazu, the sea goddess of China.

I want to know his legend but i can't read chinese language. All about are written with chinese. 74.50.209.241 (talk) 09:31, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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This Taoism related AFC could benefit from expert review
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