Talk:Jay Cutler

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Very Cavallari[edit]

Apparently Jay is a very lovable character on Very Cavallari. It should be listed at the bottom part of this article somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.140.134.154 (talk) 21:07, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage[edit]

Edit request; Kirstin just tweeeted and instagrammed proof of marriage, 3:06 Eastern time, 6/7/13 76.200.118.133 (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Marino and the four-game "first"[edit]

I'm a bit confused by some of the apparently conflicting claims I've seen in the media regarding Cutler having multiple TDs in his first 4 games. The Rasizer article states, "Cutler also joined Miami's Dan Marino as the only first-year players to throw at least two touchdown passes in each of his first four starts." Apparently Marino had 2 TD in his non-start debut: [1] . So does that mean that Marino had another non-start game without two TDs, then got two TDs each of his first 4 starts? If, this should be clarified in a footnote. Cheers, PhilipR 05:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cutler Photo[edit]

I think it's time to replace the picture of Cutler from Vanderbilt with one in his Broncos' uniform. Surely he is more well known to the general public (and will be for years to come) as the quarterback of the Denver Broncos than as a former Vanderbilt star. Perhaps the Vandy picture can stay in a lower part of the text dedicated to his Vandy career. Anyone know how to do this? Thanks. Yashin79 06:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect the problem has to do with NFL teams jealously guarding their uniform designs as intellectual property. Cf. Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc. Joe Montana has a pic in uniform but it appears headed for the garbage can. Regards, PhilipR 05:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Also the photo detailing his College Career shows him being sacked. Is this really the best photo available?Bgcollins (talk) 20:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)(talk) 20:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.195.215.10 (talk) 20:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there a better photo of him out there? The one on there right now is . . . just not good.--Lindsay (talk) 06:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And 4 long years later, that unflattering photo is still there. How in the world does this NOT get removed (or at least changed), but the Tim Tebow crying picture did? Zappa (talk) 14:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so it is fine, to explain a sack, but not for this page, particularly. NFLDraftCentral 20:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cutler Location[edit]

Alright I am sure Jay Cutler lives in Parker, Colorado because I do too and I know he lives a few blocks away. No matter where I look, I cannot find an actual source of where he lives. Any ideas how to find this information? Thanks, Twizlers 02:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey again I found the appropriate source (an assessors website for the county) however, it lists his full address. I don't want to put his address as a source ... is there any other way to find the information that he lives in Parker, CO? Thank you again, Twizlers (talk) 23:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could probably source the information to the assessor's office but not link the page with his address. I agree that helping people find celebrities' addresses isn't really a good idea for Wikipedia, but the source is certainly legit. - PhilipR (talk) 21:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Diabetes[edit]

IMO the diagnosis is a key part of Cutler's bio and deserves higher billing than the "Personal" section. Not sure where it goes, though -- maybe a sentence in the lead and then... where else? - PhilipR (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remove DAB link?[edit]

I'm gonna be bold and suggest that Jay Cutler (Broncos quarterback) is probably going to remain more notable than Jay Cutler (bodybuilder) for quite some time into the future. Would it be too much to suggest that "(American football)" be removed from this article's name? Duncan1800 (talk) 02:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely think it should be moved. Barring some freak accident, Jay Cutler will likely be one of the biggest names in football for 10+ years. bob rulz (talk) 10:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, it needs to just be "Jay Cutler" as the title. Um but how do you change it.. :o Twizlers (talk) 18:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You can propose a page move at WP:Requested moves if you like (see instructions there). I was going to do that, but after further research I'm not convinced Cutler the football player is the PRIMARYTOPIC for Jay Cutler. In March and April of 2009, the article Jay Cutler (American football) got many more pageviews than Jay Cutler (bodybuilder) (e.g. here vs. here) presumably due to his trade controversy; however, for the previous 12 months Jay Cutler (bodybuilder) averaged about 50% more pageviews than Jay Cutler (American football) (e.g. here vs. here); Jay Cutler (football player) gets negligible pageviews. I would wait a few months to see if interest in Cutler the football player will subside to its previous level before attempting a page move.
If anyone is wondering why Jay Cutler (bodybuilder) draws so much attention, not that he won the Mr. Olympia contest in 2006 and 2007, and placed in the top two every year but one between 2001 and 2008. He's arguably the world's most important active bodybuilder now that Ronnie Coleman has retired from competition, and has achieved a level of success that Cutler the football player has not, and may not ever reach. Baileypalblue (talk) 11:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

none knows who jay cutler is[edit]

Please unlock his page,jay cutler is not adolph hitler,jfk,martin luther king jr;He isn't famous why is his page locked? Most americans have never heard of jay cutler,only people who are nfl fans know who he is and even some of them don't.the average person on the street never heard of him. 66.90.31.227 (talk) 19:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's more famous than you gtfo 79.22.174.30 (talk) 16:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cutler's page is locked because of recent, persistent vandalism. It doesn't matter how popular or unpopular you think he is. If a lot of of recent vandalism occurs on any article, that is valid grounds for the article to receive semi-protection. Please see Wikipedia:Protection policy. The page will be unprotected in a couple of days anyway. The current semi-protection isn't indefinite. -- Luke4545 (talk) 21:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{editsemiprotected}} Please update the 2009 season with some of the background to the "I wanna be traded" crybaby reaction controversy...

  • Things like he signed a six year contract, and Adam Schefter's point the trade talks originated outside both Denver and Boston ought and need to be covered to be a respectable source of information.
  • The two cited links in the article about the controversy, such as the below is plenty of source material:

Cutler signed a six-year deal with the Broncos after he was drafted with the No. 11 overall pick in 2006. The source said Cutler was hurt by the news that McDaniels wanted to start his Denver tenure with Cassel and not him. "The relationship has been tarnished," the source said. "I think it's beyond repair." Cutler expressed displeasure when Denver fired coach Mike Shanahan in December. However, he has been publicly supportive of McDaniels and had several good meetings with the coach in the weeks since McDaniels took over. The source said Cutler was confused by the trade talk. "It's like a knife to Jay's heart," the source said. "It will be hard for him to get past this." McDaniels will be able to get past this issue, but it may take some time. The Broncos sold McDaniels' hiring as a chance for Cutler to flourish. Seven weeks later, the pairing has taken a sudden and potentially disastrous turn.

Thanks

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Leujohn (talk) 01:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you wish to edit a semi-protected page, may I suggest registering a name? That way, you don't have to worry about this kind of thing. Livewireo (talk) 18:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Little that I may know, I think it is perfectly valid to have the vandal lock. The Bears-Packers rivalry is so heated that I'm sure fans go after the opposing teams starting QB. Pujolsala (talk) 01:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Yeah I agree. A while ago someone posted some messed up stats for Cutler saying he threw 100 interceptions in a season and lost 400 games or something like that, so I fixed it. This was before this page was locked so it seems to get vandalized more than average which I think deserves the lock. Probably a Bears or Broncos fan. Us Broncos/Bears fans can get heated sometimes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdub33 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birth place, birth year and TOC issue[edit]

As pointed out in the edit summaries, virtually every sports website lists Cutler being born during 1983 in Indiana. Only one website (the Broncos website) lists him as being from Georgia. There may be some sort of error. Regardless, when an overwhelming amount of sports websites (which include NFL.com) state that he was born in Indiana, that birth place should be used. Also, when Cutler is referenced in articles, he's said to be a 25-year-old QB, not 27 (as what his age would be if he were born in 1981, according to an apparent category change). As far as the TOC issue is concerned, it removes subsections from the "Contents" box, such as those that pertain to the year of each season that Cutler played. These subsections should be available for easy navigation. -- Luke4545 (talk) 14:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cutler said himself on a Christmas eve game that he was born in Santa Claus, Indiana. ~Richmond96 t • c 15:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The subsections don't need to be available. You can just go th the Denver Broncos section and the subheadings separate each section as you read. The TOC looks really messy when you have so many subsections, which makes the TOC template come in handy.►Chris NelsonHolla! 15:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And the 1981 birth date was an accident, I'm not disputing that.►Chris NelsonHolla! 15:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the TOC was messy, but I guess that's a matter of opinion. I'll compromise with you to leave that TOC template, along with the "Professional career" section title; however, I think the section title "2006 NFL Draft" should be left as is. It deals with the events before, during and after the draft; thus, it wouldn't make much sense to just label the title as "Pre-draft." Also, there's no reason to remove the "Awards and honors" part from the "Professional career" section. I'll reinsert it. I hope you'll accept this compromise. -- Luke4545 (talk) 06:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's why the pre-draft stuff should go in the Pre-draft section and the NFL Draft stuff should go in the Denver Broncos section.►Chris NelsonHolla! 13:00, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That whole pre-draft section had content relating to everything surrounding Cutler and the NFL Draft. Thus, that's why I think the section title should just be "2006 NFL Draft." It would be unnecessary to have a section that just dealt with pre-draft content when you could easily put all of the draft content into one whole section. -- Luke4545 (talk) 14:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that 2006 NFL Draft should remain the same, it would be redundant to separate that information. The TOC to me is very easy to navigate, this site was very informative. I also wanted to comment on the information for the 2006 season, I am glad that it gives Cutler justice to what he accomplished as a rookie. AshleyVoss (talk) 16:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But any NFL Draft stuff should just go in the Broncos section. Why have one section saying he was drafted by the Broncos, then have another section for the Broncos. It makes more sense to split it up between pre-Broncos and Broncos than it does to split it up between NFL Draft (which includes Broncos info) and Broncos.►Chris NelsonHolla! 18:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, then why was information regarding the Broncos drafting him included under the "Pre-draft" section title? As I said previously, that pre-draft section had content pertaining to everything regarding Cutler and the NFL Draft. There wasn't any draft content under the "Denver Broncos" section title. Either way, I still think that in this article, any information related to the NFL Draft should have its own section. Breaking up information corresponding to a major event in Cutler's professional career would make even less sense, in my opinion. -- Luke4545 (talk) 01:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Current article photo[edit]

His current photo in which he is wearing his #6 Bronco jersey should be replaced once the start of the Bears Preseason and or during Bears training camp in Bourbonnais. I dont think his Bears press meeting in early April 2009 photo which he is holding his new Bears #6 jersey is a good photo for this article. // A Raider Like Indiana 21:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Record as a starter[edit]

One of the most important things a QB does is lead his team to victories. His record at Vanderbilt is noted, but it also needs to be noted that this will be Cutler's 4th straight year in the NFL without making the playoffs or having a winning record - despite being drafted and named starter on one of the top teams in football, a team that hosted the AFC championship the previous year. Denverlarry (talk) 16:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)denverlarry[reply]

- Why does his college record differ from the records maintained by Vaderbilt? The Vanderbilt records indicate only 5 wins while he attended college. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.135.193 (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length[edit]

Doesn't this article seem exceedingly long? It is over 48,000 k in length. He has been in the league for four seasons and has accomplished just about nothing of exceeding notability. Compare that to Donovan McNabb and Kurt Warner, both of whom have/had much longer, more accomplished careers with only slightly longer articles. Is it really necessary or encyclopedic to cover every game of his Broncos career? For example, does it matter that he had a very good quarterback rating after one game in the 2008 season? I am not going to upset the apple cart and shorten the article without a consensus, but it seems a logical conclusion.--TM 02:00, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- I don't think so.Long articles are a lot better in my oppinion with more information.It's not like you can't find what you want because of the size.Lucasfritas (talk) 15:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is quite a bit of this article that editors ought to cut to make it more concise. In "Early Years," the article says Cutler was a Bears fan as a youth. I do not see this as significant. The "In the media" section has details about a joke on him in "South Park" that I also see as insignificant. Finally, while I appreciate his charity work, I do not feel this is an appropriate forum to discuss the charity work of Jay Cutler in great detail. User:ibnsina786 —Preceding undated comment added 00:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Edit request from 174.103.26.25, 16 September 2010[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} Regarding his high school championship win, he did not catch the pass in overtime in the end zone. Rather, he caught it and "ran wide open into the end zone." That is more or less the quote from the source.

174.103.26.25 (talk) 23:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Welcome and thanks for pointing that out. Celestra (talk) 01:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Bcbbc2202, 20 September 2010[edit]

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TD-INT
 Passing yards
 QB Rating
86-64
 13,339
 85.1

FedEx "Air" Player of the Week (Week 1 2010)


Bcbbc2202 (talk) 20:05, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please cite reliable sources for why you think this should be included in the article? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 07:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Updating a paragraph from the 2007 season[edit]

"The Broncos lost the next two games (thus, falling out of the first place tie with San Diego in the AFC West), but then went on to beat the Kansas City Chiefs at home in blowout fashion, 41–7. In the game, Cutler passed for four touchdowns and recorded a career-best quarterback rating of 141.0.[24]"


His week 12 performance of the 2010 season was a career high 146.2. Page is locked so I will have to wait to update it unless someone else can. If not let this be a reminder to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdub33 (talk • contribs) 06:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Career Highlights[edit]

Should 'FedEx "Air" Player of the Week (Week 16 2009)' really be considered a career highlight? I would say it would be more of a season highlight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kruegerkc09 (talk • contribs) 03:08, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Ryangarcia1323, 17 January 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} Can you please update his career record with correct math. Jay is currently 36-29 not 24-29.

Ryangarcia1323 (talk) 17:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 17:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Cutler's vertical[edit]

Can someone edit Cutler's vertical to X. I don't know where the 37 number came from, but from what I can tell, Cutler didn't participate in the vertical at the combine. Arab4321 (talk) 07:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC) dusty[reply]

Done Thanks for pointing that out. I found a source saying that he didn't participate in it, and just removed it. Zappa (talk) 15:13, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from , 21 November 2011[edit]

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Change the picture of Jay Cutler from Vanderbilt where he is getting sacked because showing him getting sacked is not relevant to his career as a Vanderbilt quarterback. The discussion about his Vanderbilt playing days does not reference anything about getting sacked. Use this picture instead: http://sitemason.vanderbilt.edu/files/kEa1J6/CutlerCasual1.jpg/main.jpg

The caption should say "Cutler during his senior year at Vanderbilt."


SmartWikiEdit (talk) 06:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but we cannot just use pictures found somewhere on the internet, without clear, explicit permission to use them; see Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. Sorry.  Chzz  ►  07:42, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 29 December 2012[edit]

In 2011, after the Cutler was lost for the season to In 2011, after Cutler was lost for the season 12.2.10.242 (talk) 04:08, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ZappaOMati 04:22, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 December 2014[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There doesn't seem to be a good case here that the football player is the primary topic. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:27, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Cutler (American football) → Jay Cutler – WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 22:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Classic WP:TWODABS situation. -- Calidum 22:46, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. per WP:TWODABS which allows 2 notable articles to have a quickly downloadable dab page, particularly useful for the convenience of users with poor connectivity and those on mobile phones. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. No evidence has been presented that this person is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Zarcadia (talk) 13:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Over the last 90 days, Jay Cutler (American football) has 172935 pageviews, while Jay Cutler (bodybuilder) has 116282 pageviews. I don't consider the difference significant enough for either to be the primary.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:58, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a good nomination. You've gotta make a much better case than simply asserting primary topic Red Slash 06:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looking at Joeykai's contributions, this seems to be his editing style; he doesn't use edit summaries, either, and there is usually no explanation for page moves. There are a few more nominations like this in the queue to move football players to plain titles. Dekimasuよ! 23:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Number of rushing TD 2014[edit]

He has 39 att for 191 yds and 2 TD. Via http://www.nfl.com/player/jaycutler/2495824/careerstats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:718:9:1:0:0:0:5 (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 August 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. While the opposers' claim to long-term significance may be reasonable, the consensus is that the quarterback is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and the article should be moved to the base name per WP:TWODABS, negating the need of a disambiguation page. (non-admin closure) The editor whose username is Z0 15:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Cutler (American football) → Jay Cutler – I believe that the football quarterback is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. One man spent a decade as a starting quarterback in the NFL, and the other was a professional bodybuilder. I think anyone who follows sports in the USA should agree that the NFL has a much bigger following than professional bodybuilding. Furthermore, here are the page view counts for the two respective articles over the past 90 days: the football player and the bodybuilder. Lepricavark (talk) 00:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - WP:PRIMARYTOPIC states "Wikipedia has no single criterion for defining a primary topic, two major aspects that editors commonly consider are these:" 1) "A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined" and 2) "A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." re 1)/"usage", it's a wash prior to the recent TV show/fall football spike[2]. Open to revisiting at a later date, but think their relative usage is even more likely to return to being functionally equivalent over the long run. UW Dawgs (talk) 01:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC) The TV show, fwiw. UW Dawgs (talk) 01:08, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - in addition to page views, search terms of the quarterback versus the bodybuilder also favor the quarterback by two million more results. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:10, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The NFL quarterback is one of the most highly visible players on the team. The NFL is a $10 billion a year industry. Cutler is significantly more well-known and should be the primary topic. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per nom, and WP:TWODABS. - BilCat (talk) 01:58, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per nom and above comments. per WP:"Da Bears" (IPA: ˈd̪aː beɻs). The number of readers may be skewed, though, and long-term significance may have to be considered. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - comparing the two will always lead to more results to the football player, by the mere fact that he is currently active, while the bodybuilder is not (and has not been for 6 years). In addition, the bodybuilder is a four-time Mr. Olympia winner, which britannica.com says The Mr. Olympia contest, now held annually in Las Vegas, continues as the world’s premier physique contest, meaning he won 4 times the most important awards in his field, while the football player has won very minor awards. Regarding Gonzo_fan2007's comment, the notability of the sport or the team means nothing in this discussion. --Gonnym (talk) 06:48, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per WP:2DABPRIMARY, views [[3]] and Google show this topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:49, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I agree with and have nothing to add to the arguments by UW Dawgs and Gonnym. Narky Blert (talk) 13:04, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The threshold for a primary topic is considerably lower in a WP:TWODABS situation, because the navigational function of disambiguation can easily be accomplished in a hatnote. We generally should only create disambiguation pages when there are too many topics sharing a name to neatly fit into a hatnote for the primary topic. bd2412 T 16:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above comment. InterMiami (talk) 00:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per BD2412.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The other doesn't appear to be a footballer (there is no mention on the other article) so this should be at Jay Cutler (football) per WP:PRECISION if not primary, see Talk:Washington (state)/Archive 2#Requested move - Washington (state). Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The use of (American football) as a parenthetical disambiguator is quite common. This is because (football) is too vague, and could be interpreted as a reference to association football. Lepricavark (talk) 15:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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