User talk:The Bushranger/Archive 8

Your recent IP block

Hi, you recently blocked Special:Contributions/65.88.88.175 but they appear to have resurfaced as User:65.88.88.202 on the same and similar Kashmir-related articles. I am unsure whether you were aware that they are contributing via a library/hotspot but you may wish to take a look at User_talk:C.Fred#Problematic_IP_editor_from_NY_library. I've just spotted and removed some rubbish from Talk:Kashmiri cuisine but if they really are spreading things around then the suggestion of semi-PP for Kashmiri Pandit, as discussed on C.Fred's page, is clearly not going to achieve an awful lot. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 00:57, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

My apologies. I saw the block on the IP's contributions page and never thought to check their user page, where you clearly indicate that you were aware of the location etc. Still, your views would be welcome in the thread to which I linked above. I am relatively inexperienced and this looks to be a messy situation. - Sitush (talk) 01:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

• Replied there, thanks for the poke. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
  • They've done it again, so I have reported at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:65.88.88.202_reported_by_User:Sitush_.28Result:_.29. The thread at User_talk:C.Fred, to which you contributed, and your name are mentioned. - Sitush (talk) 00:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 October newsletter

The 2011 WikiCup is now over, and our new champion is Hurricanehink (submissions), who joins the exclusive club of the previous winners: Dreamafter (2007), jj137 (2008), Durova (2009) and Sturmvogel_66 (2010). The final standings were as follows:

1. Hurricanehink (submissions)
2. Sp33dyphil (submissions)
3. Yellow Evan (submissions)
4. Miyagawa (submissions)
5. Wizardman (submissions)
6. Casliber (submissions)
7. Resolute (submissions)
8. PresN (submissions)

Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round.

• The Featured Article Award: Casliber (submissions), for his performance in round 2. Hurricanehink (submissions) matched the score, but Casliber won the tiebreaker.
• The Good Article Award: Yellow Evan (submissions), for his performance in round 4.
• The Featured List Award: Miyagawa (submissions), for his performance in round 4. PresN (submissions) matched the score, but Miyagawa won the tiebreaker.
• The Recognised Topic Award (for good and featured topics): PresN (submissions), for his performance in round 3.
• The Did You Know Award: The Bushranger (submissions), for his performance in round 1.
• The In the News Award: Candlewicke (submissions), for his performance in round 1.
• The Reviewer Award (for good article reviews): Wizardman (submissions), for his performance in round 3.

No prize was awarded for featured pictures, sounds or portals, as none were claimed throughout the competition. The awards will be handed out over the next few days. Congratulations to all our participants, and especially our winners; we've all had fun, and Wikipedia has benefitted massively from our content work.

Preparation for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Interested parties are invited to sign up and participate in our straw polls. It's been a pleasure to work with you all this year, and, whoever's taking part in and running the competition in 2012, we hope to see you all in January! J Milburn and The ed17 00:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

...I won something? Huh. Wow. Thanks! ^_^ - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

for pointing out that articles at AfD shouldn't be moved. Just wanted to let you know I got the message there. First Light (talk) 02:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

• No problem. :) We all learn things every day, even me! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Move request

BR, can you move Rolls-Royce Marine Trent to Rolls-Royce MT30? Per RR's website, the MT30 seems to be the only model. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 01:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Done! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Muchas gracias, señor. - BilCat (talk) 03:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ExerciseTV

Hi The Bushranger. While I do not disagree with your close, were you aware that you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ExerciseTV 14 hours early? Cunard (talk) 05:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Eep, I mis-read the time on that one. I'll do better - thanks for pointing that out. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 11:21, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, I see what happened - it was out-of-order in the log. I found the AfD closest to the 'current time' in the log when I went to close, and then worked my way downward into what I had assumed were all older AfDs past the week-to-the-hour mark, and that one, started at 19:34, was sandwiched between ones started at 03:25 and 01:39. How did that happen, I wonder? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 11:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

2011 WikiCup participation

Awarded to The Bushranger, who reached round 2 in the 2011 WikiCup.

It was good to have you on board this time around- we hope you enjoyed the competition! In case you are interested, signups for next year are open. Thanks, J Milburn and The ed17 20:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 DYK Award

The WikiCup 2011 Did You Know Award
Awarded to The Bushranger for the high number of Did You Know articles written during the 2011 WikiCup. Congratulations! J Milburn and The ed17. 21:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

• Awesome. Thanks muchly! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Air Napier

Thanks for your remarks to the other editor on this page. He seems to not accept the AFD results and is determined to continue the AFD debate after it has closed, despite repeated warnings not to. I thought I might have to take him to ANI, but appreciate that you are monitoring the issue. - Ahunt (talk) 10:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Reply to edit summary warning

sorry dude.. everyone, when adding a new section at bottom of the page, normally adds it below the last section. so its heading would come in the edit summary. the history page shows many did the same to have that "dog" line in the edit summary. u dint have to make it up as an issue.. i do have an id. but too lazy to login.. 122.176.58.109 (talk) 11:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Nathan Carroll‎

Hi Bushranger. Just saw your move of Nathan Carroll‎ to Nathan Carroll‎ (Australian footballer). I know that the article's in pretty poor shape, but I think the football player might actually be the primary topic – have a search of "Nathan Carroll" in the google news archive and all I get is articles on the footy player. It's also linked to from a quite a few more articles. Worth reconsidering? Best, Jenks24 (talk) 07:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

My reasoning was that since he retired, he's likely not to gain in "brand recognition", as it were, while the musician is still on the way up, so best to just disambiguate. I won't object in any way if anyone disagees and undoes the moves though. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough and it's not a big deal, so no worries leaving it as is. On a side note, I did move the article to just Nathan Carroll (footballer), as "Australian" is unnecessary. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 22:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK and inlines

I've seen the repeated debate on this topic, but in the past all efforts for "one ref per para" have failed. Has this changed recently? Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:17, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

This got changed - to my memory, which of course, is always possibly faulty! - over a year ago. The DYK reviewing guide states, A rule of thumb for DYK is a minimum of one citation per paragraph, possibly excluding the introduction, plot summaries, and paragraphs which summarize information that's cited elsewhere. - and that "rule of thumb" is generally interpreted as just "rule", pretty much. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, well I think the "rule" is still open to much interpretation, according to the last thread that flared up. Anyway, I've posted additional cites, can you take a look again. Note, intro summary statements do not need cites, whether in the official LEAD or a section lead. That one is definitely still kosher in the MoS. Maury Markowitz (talk)

That's true and I agree with it. All paragraphs are cited now, and it looks good to me. I'd strongly reccomend trying to add references to the "dangling paragaph ends" that are currently unreferenced (after having references earlier in the paragraph) though - others are almost certain to spot and squawk about them. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Rolls-Royce RB262

Can you delete Rolls-Royce RB262? It's not the same as the Rolls-Royce RB282, as far as I can tell. Both appear to be defunct engine studies. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look over it in a little bit - just about to run off for some NASCAR. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:33, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Not big deal if you can't get to it tonight. Petebutt moved some uncited content to the RB282 page, but I reverted it, as it was uncited and quite speculative. Hopefully we wont need to keep the hisotry, as the contnet is unusable. He can be a pain, as I stated this in my PROD on that page, but he ignored it. He does his own thing, y'know. - BilCat (talk) 22:36, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I've kinda noticed that. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Edson Hendricks disambiguation

As some one who is still relatively new to Wikipedia, I find it disconcerting when I go to the trouble to add items and someone comes along and removes them without adequate explanation or giving me any time to update or improve my contribution. What is obvious to you is not obvious to me. What's wrong here and why do you care? - George.McQuilken (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. Another editor tagged the page for speedy deletion, because, as a general rule, when there are only two pages to be dismbiguated, a page with (disambiguation) appended to the name isn't the way to go about it. Usually one article or the other will be a primary topic, which should be at the actual name (i.e. "Foo"), while the second page with the same or similar name would be at a disambiguated title ("Foo (bar)"). In this case, they would be disambiguated for readers through hatnotes, i.e in this case, "Foo" would have italics at the top of the page saying, "for the bar, see "Foo (bar)"", and on the second page, "for the fighter, see "Foo"". Now, if there isn't a clear primary topic, the disambiguation page would be placed at the main title ("Foo"), without further parenthesied disambiguation, while the articles would be at "Foo (fighter)" and "Foo (bar)". In this case, seeing as only one was named "Ed Hendricks" and the other "Edson Hendricks" with nickname Ed, disambiguation is best carried out through hatnotes. In this case, "For the computer scientist, see Edson Hendricks" on the top of Ed Hendricks; a hatnote the other way likely isn't needed, as if you're on Edson Hendricks it's likely you weren't looking for the player. Sorry if this seemed to be piling on or anything, it certainly wasn't intended that way. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:00, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you very much for this response and the explanation. I'll be adding an item on IBM's Norman Rasmussen shortly, and this issue would have arisen again. You've saved me a lot of time and trouble, which I very much appreciate.George.McQuilken (talk) 14:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

• No prob, glad I was able to help out! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiRage is phallic symbol

It's sexist and offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.79.129.58 (talk) 19:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Go complain to the people who build thermometers, then. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Afterburn (film)

After our collaboration on the X-15 (film) article, try your hand on this new film article about a widow's fight to clear her husband's name, taking on both the U.S. military and General Dynamics, the manufacturer of the F-16 that took her husband's life. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC).

Sounds like something either really good or worth every rotten cabbage tossed at it. ;) I'll have a look, thanks! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

BYW, are you anywhere near Tampa, Florida's on-air astrologer, aka "The Star Goddess" (Janet Sciales Harduvel) on WLLD-FM 98.7? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 05:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC).

Nope, I grew up near Tampa but we're well outside their FM range here. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, see below ... FWiW Bzuk (talk) 05:41, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Altitude (film)

If you thought the other film, Afterburn (film), was a bit of a problem child, take a look at this hodgepodge. I am getting a copy of the film before I go any further. The article is written by fanboys! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 05:19, 7 November 2011 (UTC).

Ouch! Fanboys indeed. (Also sounds like you should get Tom and Crow to watch it with you....) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:41, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, just found this... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Onward, I know this film intimately as it was shot in my backyard (euphemistically speaking). I'll give it a go tomorrow. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 06:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC).

User:Allah condemns...

... You might also want to protect the sockmaster, God Condemns Homosexuality (talk · contribs), and maybe even the other socks which follow the same format. (Looking at the confirmed socks list under God condemns, I think God hates... is the actual sockmaster, not that it really matters. Trolls is trolls.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Probably a good idea. *fetches the bottle of Trollbane* - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:46, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:NBOOKS

After a bit of digging around, I've found that until July this year WP:NBOOKS included a requirement that at least some of the works on the book needed to serve a "general audience". However, it seems that as a result of this discussion that requirement was removed. I think that the current AfD illustrates that the current wording isn't sensible as it isn't consistent with WP:N and the various other notability guidelines which require either substantial coverage or strong evidence that the person/organisation has made a significant contribution to something. Nick-D (talk) 11:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree with you on that. I'm a firm believer in WP:NOTPAPER and Wikipedia's mission to be a repository of the sum total of all human knowledge etc., but saying "one column of three on a page in an A4-sized magazine reviewed this book, it's notable" is downright ridiculous. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

CueCat

Mr. Bush Ranger can you help?

I posted to Cue cat as I said I would. Once again Bbb23 undid my work as he has done to all other. But in the process of dismantleing my work he left out the Codie Ward for cue cat. Would you look over my links for the award and consider improving the file of cue cat on my behalf for the codie award? Seems, me being new and female is hurting me. Can you help improve the cue cat file? I have left the links and info in the discussion page. Thanks ProofPlus Professional Researcher 16:19, 8 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proofplus (talk • contribs)

Being female has nothing to do with anything here on Wikipedia. :) Being new is an issue, but that's just because you're unfamiliar with Wikipedia's policies; reading WP:RS and WP:NOT might help. I agree with Bbb23's edit. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK gtg

The DYK nomination for Airborne Avenger looks good to go. By the way, I've enjoyed your sig's Red October reference for a long time but never had a chance to interact before. Now that we have this DYK thing I figured I'd write a goddamn memo. Lagrange613 01:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It's always fun picking out a suitable hook. And I hope they never try to remake Red October - Sean Connery is Captain Raimus! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I love the unspoken challenge at the end to give a flip about how he's a Lithuanian speaking English with a Scottish accent. "Yes, I am that awesome." I don't think anyone else could pull that off. Lagrange613 02:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

As an aside on the subject of homebuilt aircraft, they go all the way up to things like this...! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:39, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

8O Lagrange613 02:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement block

WP:AEBLOCK -- better start planning your defense. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:57, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Multiple admins agree that it was a bad block. I'm always open to trouting if I was wrong. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:59, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

That said, I believe in the future, regardless of this, I'll steer clear of AEblocks in total. Too much drama potential. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Strictly speaking I don't think it was an AE block. It didn't have the official AE template. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 05:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

If it had had that, I wouldn't have touched it with a 10-foot pole. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I thought so. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 05:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

• Bushranger dont let them get to you, this is just more stalking and harassment from a small group of users who want to see me banned. They use the widest possible BS claims they can to get me blocked. You did the correct think in overturning such a biased, and unfounded block. ΔT _{^{The only constant}} 05:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Bushranger, can you please reinstate the block for its duration and let noticeboard discussions run their course? As it stands, you've unilaterally overturned an AE block. I really was pretty clear why I made the block, and I've yet to see why exactly any particular notice template is mandatory, though I'm open to education. Rather than let the situation fester or hope for a better outcome, I think it would be better if you would just put things back the way they were and let me take the heat myself. :) Franamax (talk) 05:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate the offer, but I believe that, right or wrong, I should take the heat for my own actions instead of passing the buck. :) That said, if anybody other than you or Sarek agrees that the block was just, I'll immediately reinstate it (nothing against either you or him, both of whom I respect, just that at the moment nobody else seems to agree.) And regardless of the outcome, I won't be unblocking again, in order to remove all risk of sleepily making another mistake. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:48, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I have explained the use of the template at ANI [1]. Sandstein created it after the Trusilver/Brews ohare Arbcom decision specifically to remind admins of the AE enforcement block protocol. It is akin to a 3RR warning. Before the warning the unblocking admin cannot be assumed that they know exactly that the block is for AE and/or they may not know that an AE block protocol exists. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 05:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Plip!

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 09:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Yakovlev AIR-7

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Your comment on the noticeboard page

This is just to inform you that your comment about the source Pakdef.info has been used by other editors[2], as saying that Pakdef.info is a Reliable source, in the building consensus section, to which others have raised doubts --ÐℬigXЯaɣ 23:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I've posted a note to hopefully clarify my intent. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:01, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi

I stopped by because I don't hear anything from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachel Shin (talk • contribs) 14:39, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For having the conviction and common sense to do the right thing because it's the right thing, because you know it's the right thing, and for no other reason. causa sui (talk) 17:47, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:57, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Advanced High Performance Reconnaissance Light Aircraft

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

Hello, I noticed you commented on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Missoula, Montana. There is a related discussion on some of the buildings from that list at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/First Interstate Center (Missoula). Any insights and opinions you can offer would be appreciated. Thank you --JonRidinger (talk) 14:30, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Request to conclude & take action.

Hi, you commented as a neutral editor on the RSN [3]. I request you to conclude the discussion[4] based on information provided by both sides in discussion on consensus building. I guess you should take into consideration the massive canvassing being involved to tilt the discussion and its consequences. The User:dBigXray has posted a lot of repetitive comments calling in users sharing his POV [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] (and many other places - I've lost count, one of the Indian project notice board was also there I guess). Another involved user, User:Swift&silent, who already has once been a sock-puppet suspect [10] and warned for editwars & vandalism related to the similar issues [11] [12] [13] is indulged in the same. A few other editors are being re-quoted in this consensus building from one of the previous inconclusive reviews of the cite also seem to be a tag team/canvassed as pointed out by another user in the same discussion as well as the canvassed editors I gave proofs for are now fully participating. I'm sure User:DBigXray would reply to this with my posts informing the already involved editors labeling that as canvassing (probably including this one). In such conditions I'll like you to act in administrative capacity to handle the related issues without which it might be hard to resolve. Thanks. --lTopGunl (talk) 19:38, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me, but as a involved party, it would not be proper for me to take action in the discussion. You might want to ask User:MilborneOne or User:The_ed17 to have a look though. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:40, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I thought being a neutral (though involved) party you could follow up. I'll copy the text to their talk. Thanks for responding timely. --lTopGunl (talk) 19:43, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Google Chrome

I see you are on-line, so I was wondering if I could trouble you to review a current situation going on in this article. An IP editor is edit warring and carrying out personal attacks in his edit summaries, despite numerous warnings and obvious consensus that the text does not belong there. The text he/she is trying to add is not properly sourced and adds up to mere personal opinion and is basically factually incorrect/bordering on just vandalism. The whole story is in the article history and on the IP's talk page. - Ahunt (talk) 19:45, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

...ugh. Well for starters they've just roared past WP:3RR - they're now blocked 24 hours for that, with their personal attacks on top of that. I agree that that information should not be in the article without a ref. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:48, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your action on this! - Ahunt (talk) 20:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Nominated List' for DYK

Greetings Bushranger, almost a week ago I nominated List of ships captured in the 19th century for DYK but due to the apparent backlog it seems it is rotting on the vine. Was hoping that if you have the time could you give it a review? The nomination is listed here. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I've taken a look at it - the actual article for DYK wasn't listed in the hook, so I've fixed that, and then looked over the article. Unfortunatly it's not DYK ready yet - you need a lot more references, as mentioned in the review. (Also, don't feel bad about it getting pushed back down the list - I have one submitted on 26 October that hasn't been reviewed yet!) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt review and reply. As you can see, there are many dozens of ships in the list, and more yet to be added, so citing each and every one is a quite a task that I am still in the process of doing. I wish I could simply cite groups of ships in sections with one or two references, but alas information on each ship usually exists in many different sources. I am afraid that by the time I finish providing all the sources the article will be too old in terms of the five fold rule being obtained on a given date. Such is the plight of this type of list it seems. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that can be a problem. One thing to do might be, for future lists, to work on them in a userspace draft - the DYK clock on those only starts ticking once it's moved to articlespace. For this list, seeking Featured List status once complete might be a good idea. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:13, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

In the search for captured ships I panned through various articles and other lists and in many cases there were no sources listed. As a result many ships were entered into the list without cites, so now, I have to search through text to find them, and let me tell you, it is a slow and grueling process. However, with all the reading I have done in the last two weeks I should come out of this with a master's degree in history. (haha) After I am done citing (most of?) the ships in the list I will go back to the various articles to where I found them and provide sources there also so at least WP is the better for it. One step at a time, with 1001 steps yet to go! -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:22, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for the time and effort that you have put into the Mercedes O. Cubria article and it's "DYK" nomination. I only wish that there were more people like you, not only in our project, but in the world. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:29, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

LOL

That guy did strike me as having a huge IDHT problem on a previous occasion, but [14] is probably a new record. Whoever reverts last, WP:WINS. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 03:41, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

removing other people's comments

Please stop removing my comments.  If you don't like talk page policy, the thing to do is to get the policy changed.  I shouldn't have to explain this to an administrator.  Ok?  Thanks, Unscintillating (talk) 03:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I shouldn't have to explain that when the AfD says, in big, bold, italicized, red letters, "Please do not modify it", that it is not to be modified. The AfD is not a talk page. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:00, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Key words, "I don't have to explain".  If there was a history at Wikipedia of problems with edit conflicts, the closer could have posted a notice that a closing was in progress.  If there was a history at Wikipedia of problems with edit conflicts, the template could mention the problem.  If there was a history at Wikipedia of problems with edit conflicts, the talk page guidelines could be updated.  On the other hand, I have seen an edit conflict at an AfD closing discussed at an RfA, and not a single editor among all of those experts mentioned any surprise.  That would be because such an edit is routine and requires no involvement of other editors.  Regarding your comment about using talk page guidelines, again, you state a truism, that the Project Page of an AfD is not a "Discussion" page.  That really doesn't address the issue of whether or not WP:TPO applies.  Please figure out what policy it is that makes an edit conflict with a template mean that you have authority to hide my comments.  Once you realize that there is none, we can move one, ok?  Unscintillating (talk) 05:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Airborne Avenger

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Toward the Unknown

I'm on a roll, another film article rescued from obscurity. AND, did you know (DYK) it was the one and only production from William Holden's Toluca Productions and is James Garner's first film! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:57, 12 November 2011 (UTC).

Sounds nifty indeed! I'll have a look-see. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:21, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jean Alfred Fraissinet

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Brock Avion

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for International Ultralight Banchee

Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Further disruption

I thought I would bring this issue to you for your input since you were involved in earlier action about User:Unscintillating's attempts to edit closed AFD debates at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Air Napier and as discussed at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Air Napier. It seems that he is at it again and has edited two deletion reviews after they were both closed (diff). Despite his endless arguing about the first case at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Air Napier I was willing to WP:AGF that he was just woefully not understanding what "The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it." means. However this editor's talk page now contains many more warnings from other editors about ongoing disruptive editing all over Wikipedia and, after seeing his latest attempts to once again get the last word in after closing on the above mentioned deletion reviews, it is clear to me that he intends to continue his disruptive editing. Can I ask you to please review the aforementioned diff as it has not been reverted yet. I am sure if I revert it he will once again start an edit war and an endless and pointless talk page litany of complaints that he can add comments after closing if he wants to, again. Since I have already warned him previously that if he keeps trying to edit closed AFDs that he will be blocked, I think that his disruption here has now progressed to the point where a block is warranted, but I defer to your judgement in this matter. Thank you for your attention to this matter. - Ahunt (talk) 12:23, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Gah. Well, actually, the Air Napier case is clearer disruptive intent on his part - the waiting a week (while editing elsewhere) then reverting his comments back in clearly intending to "sneak them in under the radar". On this one, since he posted only one minute after the closing, it could be AGF'd easily that he was, in fact, typing while the closing took place - one minute is rather different than 17. Now, personally, I think it smells, but... I think in this case, "once is an accident; twice, coincidence, but three times is a pattern" is what should be followed here - this time, let it slide, (especially since his comments/questions will go unanswered anyway), but if he does it again... I've posted to his talk page as well. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your sage advice. I will monitor, as I am sure you will too. - Ahunt (talk) 01:37, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Need backup

• Greetings, another sock has been spotted, extra pair of Admin eyes needed to help over here → User talk:JamesBWatson#The need to clarify something. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 14:44, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

• BR, think you might have to help us initiate an SPI per the above. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 12:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Afterburn (film)

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for being the world best Admin

Thank you for the advice, I will just quit Wikipedia because of you. Ray-Rays 19:25, 15 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymond88824 (talk • contribs)

If you feel that strongly about not signing your posts, then... *shrugs* - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lufthansa Flight 502

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

SPI results out

• See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Smilingfrog, very interesting results indeed, IP/proxy originating from Holland has been blocked as well but not the 3 confirmed smelly footwears, yet. Feel free to add your comments if you so wish, cheers and best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 08:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

• Roast duck with orange sauce for thanksgiving anyone? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

• Roast'em, smok'em, bbq'em, grill'em, sautee'em... whatever way we use to cook'em, still a duck to me. Unless, you were to yell "DUCK!", then I'll just duck under. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 09:16, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

• At which point you've quacked up! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

• Not before we flush'em down the sewers! :) --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 09:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 1959 Transair Douglas Dakota accident

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Shakinglord

Could you by chance revoke access for Shakinglord's talk page, as I requested at ANI? He is clearly abusing it. Calabe1992 20:39, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. *shakes head sadly* Some people just don't get it, do they? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Obviously not. :( Calabe1992 20:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Albumcaps

I am requesting your further input here (or wherever the discussion may end up).—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look as soon as I can. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CodingTeam

I infer from this that the user wishes to request a WP:REFUND. --Cybercobra (talk) 08:33, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, I missed that. Thanks for the poke - done! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Sweetgum question

Hi, I noticed that you disambiguated a sweetgum link, and wonder if you can help with some troubling ones. There are several pages that refer to sweetgum growing in swamps, notably in Florida. So far I've searched for any books or online sources to attest that sweetgum is a common name for a tupelo (Nyssa) species, without success. Do you have local knowledge about what is meant on Mud Swamp/New River Wilderness, Blackwater River (Florida), Cat Island National Wildlife Refuge, or Hal Scott Regional Preserve and Park? Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Nadiatalent (talk) 22:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC) Hi there. :) I'm pretty sure that on all four of those articles, the "sweetgum" mentioned is, in fact, Liquidambar styraciflua - tupelo is referred to as tupelo. Sweetgums do grow in swamps wherever there's slightly higher ground - not out of the water, but often where there's any sort of rise, there will be sweetgums. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll finish the "cleanup" operation from moving the page, then. Nadiatalent (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 1953 Nutts Corner Viking accident

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:03, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for For the Moment (film)

MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:14, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Who R you?

Who R you? (talk · contribs · email)

On the 15th of November you gave him a last warning for personal attacks. The AN/I thread on the issue got archived yesterday, and now he is back at it. I'd appreciate your opinion on the matter:

It begins to become hard to believe that the Wikipedia servers are situated in North America, as one might expect that they might simply explode from such totalitarian, socialistic attitudes; spontaneously combusting merely from being resident in the birth country of democracy while such offensive attitudes and abuses of the basic concepts of justice and reason are perpetrated; all in public no less.  Many of the attitudes would appear to be more approriate for servers 120 miles south-east in communist Cuba or a similarly socially corrupt, justice challenged, tyrannical bastion of repression and corruption.

I do not think it is appropriate to call people totalitarian or socialistic, socially corrupt, justice challenged or tyrannical.

His tendentious and aggressive debating style is one major reason for the inhospitable discussion climate on the issues, which makes it almost impossible to try to gain any sort of consensus on these issues, as they tend to descend into flamewars (he is not the only one, but the main culprit at the moment). --OpenFuture (talk) 07:46, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention - I'm a bit on the tired side, but that decidedly looks blockable to me. I've unarchived the AN/I discussion and posted the diff and my reccomendation (block) there. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! --OpenFuture (talk) 08:19, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Radlock Trainer

Hello! Your submission of Radlock Trainer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Donald Albury 13:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Chris Cook (racing driver)

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:02, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Jamiebijania

I just removed userboxes from this problematic editor's talk page where he claimed to be both an admin and a bureaucrat when he wasn't. I expect he will restore them or start a new blacklist or something, so I just thought I would let you know. I am thinking more permenant action will be needed at some point soon. - Ahunt (talk) 13:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I think he's just a lost soul whose haughty nature doesn't provide room for learning. He's still learning I think, is doing every booby in the book. Écrivain (talk) 17:46, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on 'im. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Like - Ahunt (talk) 20:10, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pulangi IV Hydroelectric Power Plant

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Opinion requested

Your opinion is requested at Talk:Kanimbla class amphibious transport ship#Requested move. -- saberwyn 12:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Got another sock for you

1. Master: Fleetham (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (NOTE: BLOCKED thrice for edit-warring and once for socking.)
2. Sock: Vitorreid (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (NOTE: Newly created account, after Fleetham's block expiration.)

• Apologies for my constant disturbing of your peace but there seems to be another sighting of dirty socks again. Actually, this is suppose to be James B Watson's baby but he's unavailable so you're next... Help? Thanks and best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 16:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

No worries - and I see JBW beat me to 'em. Kill-stealer! ;P - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:10, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

• Facepalm... No offence but we call that "Kio-sai" (Fujianese/Taiwanese transliterated as "to pick up shite!") here in Singapore. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

1. Jasonterrycombs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
2. Rootingbeer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
3. Samoanqueen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
4. Manroefese (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Headache time, more socks/trolls found. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Take two blocks and call the SPI in the morning! ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
    • No can do... I'm at the end of my graveyard shift now, any sudden intake of caffeine and my day will turn into a bad day like that of Dracula. Oh man... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
      • Ai yi yi...blocked those two as obvious ducks. SPI is here. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
        • Thanks, that's way better than Excedrin~! BTW, interesting CU results... who knew? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 01:01, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

1. Beleague (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Me thinks he's back, cherry picking on my sourced edits once again. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 11:45, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeeeeeup, he's quacking. I'll SPI him! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 13:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

• WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Dave1195
•  Looks like a duck to me... Obviously, someone loves me deeply, very deeply... Can you endorse this SPI? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• Results out but I'm confused at it... care to take a look? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 02:37, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

• Ahh, sorry missed your comment directly above this one, since I usually check the bottom of the page for new messages. ;) I checked too - and I'm a bit confused as well. No idea what's up with that! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

• Well, the only thing I'm cocksure is that with the onset of school holidays in Singapore, the pip-squeak's been getting bolder by the day. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 05:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

• Indeed. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

• BR, methinks you might have to call in another CU (strongly suggest User:Tiptoety since he has global rights) for help here, especially on the cross-wiki disturbance, a sock is a sock is a sock, BLOCK'EM~! FCOL, some people just haven't the initiative to do whatever it takes to protect Wikipedia from such clowns. Another thing, you may have to manually archive this page once you're done or replied to me. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 08:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Speed (1936 film)

Dagnabbit, them Turner Classic folks are always screening some obscure film ... The first starring vehicle for James Stewart was a typical B-movie but was enlivened by some fine cinematography. Take a look at the Speed (1936 film) article, still being worked up. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:34, 19 November 2011 (UTC).

Ah, just found this - will do! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Probably exhausted all my sources, whatttdayathunk? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:03, 20 November 2011 (UTC).

Looks good. And Jimmy Stewart's first big role? Nifty indeed. (I might suggest a ref for Note Two though?) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Good point, missed that one. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC).

WP:DS

Hi, does WP:DELSORT cover XfDs that aren't AfDs? Because I think Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2011_November_15#Pakistani_textbooks could use more eyes, but don't know what the process is. Best, It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 18:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

They do - if you run down the appropriate DELSORT page, you'll find a "Foo related miscellany for deletion" section, which is where it would be listed. It's also considered OK to post a neutal message on the talk page of the appropriate WikiProject (which would likely be WP:WikiProject Pakistan for this one); I use the usual wording "there is a discussion on Foo here that may interest the project". :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:32, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Could you check that I've done it right? (It'll all be in my recent contribs). It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 15:37, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, they're mixed in with the AfDs - but since neither of those delsort pages have the Misc. for Deletion section, that's OK. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 16:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Could you do some housekeeping for me?

This is semi-contentious, so I'm asking for advice, not necessarily an action. Recently the table of episodes for The Nerdist Podcast was deleted by a primary contributor of the page. There was some small warring, much discussion, and an involved party got involved, correctly self-identifying as an involved person. Discussion evolved, and today I decided to create a separate article List of The Nerdist Podcast episodes, trusting to discussion to determine whether the page had merit. In a way, I split the page without consensus. If I'm wrong, I'll certainly apologize, but that's not why I'm here. I neglected to include the correct source of all the content used to create the page in the page summary for page creation. Should the page be deleted and then recreated? Will this make a potential AfD a more complicated process? I take a month off, and look at the tiny mess I made. Advice? Direct action? Would you help? BusterD (talk) 20:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm. What I'd suggest is that you add edits to both The Nerdist Podcast and List of The Nerdist Podcast, that say "content from this page was moved to (page) in this edit (diff)", and "content from (page) was moved here in this edit (diff). That should take care of the attribution. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:54, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a reasonable course of action. I'll take your suggestion. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 20:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Canvassing

Would it be canvassing, if a project added some notes about current discussions on their talk page in their newsletters, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject NASCAR/Newsletter/201111 under WikiProject News? -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 23:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

As long as the notification didn't express an opinion one way or the other on the discussion, I don't believe it would be - it would simply be "This discussion is in progress, regarding X or Y, feel free to check it out", that sort of thing. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe it does. -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 00:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Should be OK then, I'd think. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for RPS Rajah Soliman (D-66)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Robertson B1-RD

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grand Prix of America

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Port Imperial Street Circuit

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 2013 Formula One season

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for SMS Kaiserin Augusta

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for X-15 (film)

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for UCF Knights men's soccer

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:03, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

archive bot behavior

Hi Bushranger, I noticed this revert of the archiving bot at ANI. Currently, it will archive the next time the bot comes around because it operates on timestamps and the last timestamp in the thread is beyond the archiving time. You stated that you had tagged it so that it wouldn't archive but I don't see that. You might try Template:Do not archive until to hold the thread on the page for the desired time. Hopefully helpful :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 22:30, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, I made a timestamp up for the 28th of November - that won't hold it? Thanks for letting me know about that template though! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:41, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I believe the bot may stop scanning that line at the first UTC timestamp for 20 Nov and ignore your later one for the 28th ...OR...it is recognizing the last timestamp in the thread. Sometimes, it is hit or miss when I diagnose these things but I try at Misza13's talk page. I missed your datestamp of the 28th when I commented above...thanks for pointing that out.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 22:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

No prob. It was at the top (in small text) when the bot ignored it, so maybe that had something to do with it. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:54, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Template:Cathead active frigates of

Was there any disscussion of this edit?©Geni 02:44, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

No, it was WP:BOLD, as frigates are not considered patrol vessels by a majority of reliable sources. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for UCF Knights women's soccer

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Autoblock needs investigating

Since you blocked the original account, can you investigate User talk:Iluvml93 and see if this user is collateral damage or not. I suspect they are, and should probably be allowed to edit, but I do not know this case well enough to fix this. If you feel safe with removing the autoblock or granting WP:IPBE, could you? Thanks! --Jayron32 14:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's clearly collateral - oops? I've lifted the autoblock from the collateral-causing block. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Radlock Trainer

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Can you undelete File:AHRLAC 3 view.tif? I have an OTRS ticket from the manufacturer allowing it to be used "in the public domain". Thanks!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Consider it done! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Gracias! :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:38, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

...and tagged.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

And added to the article! - 17:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 1959 TAI Douglas DC-7 accident

Orlady (talk) 18:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC) 08:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Jamiebijania

Hi, thank you very much for rejecting my unblock request. I have since made amends to my behavior on Wikipedia and learnt not to mess around with people like you who can block people. Sorry for taking up your time last time and i promise this is the last time you have to deal with me. Thank you. Jamiebijania (talk) 15:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tupolev ANT-41

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Would like your assistance regarding Cung Le's Nationality, please view my Talkpage

I am trying to deal with this in a civil manner and would not try to make any personal attacks nor try to threaten to sue Wikipedia, joke or not. However, I am questioning the source of information regarding Cung Le's Nationality. As Wikipedia requires, a source of information needs to be verified. The source for his nationality apparently is a user on Facebook that claims to work for Cung Le and knows specifically which citizenships/passports that he holds. I am asking directly for more administrators to step in and view and verify this source to be legit, as compared to all the sources I have provided including direct tweets and quotes from Cung Le himself and his website. I further ask for the admins to tell Glock to stay away from my Talkpage because I find his comments absolutely ridiculous and outrageous and I am trying to deal with this in a civil, respectful, and reasonable manner. All I ask if for everything to be verified, just like Wikipedia requires. I find the co-worker who claims to be Cung Le's co-worker rather suspicious, and evidence must be shown on how he knows the information that is being seeked. If this can not be provided, I ask that Cung Le's Nationality be reverted back to an American of the U.S.A. Please clarify if you can.

This is the Facebook user in question who claims to be working for Cung Le and knows exactly which citizenship he holds: redacted

This is Cung Le's facebook page (redacted) where I assume Cyberpower directly posted on Cung Le's wall and received a response from the user who claims to know specifically what type of citizenship and passport that Cung Le holds. However, he has yet to provide enough evidence that 1) He actually works for Cung Le 2) That he specifically knows that he has a Vietnam passport. To me it is highly suspicious, if this can be proven otherwise and that his claims are legit, I will stop from dispute and no longer further try to research this issue. But again, all I ask is for more admins to take a look at this. No disrespect to you Cyberpower, but I just find the current source as not enough proof.PinoyFilAmPride (talk) 05:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Believe me kid, I find your comments annoying, disrespectful, and ridiculous and outrageous, I also dont appreciate you accusing me of being a troll. But I will say one thing, on the UFC profile for Cung Le. It says he's from Saigon, Vietnam. http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Cung-Le

Also, take a good look at this pic, and the flag displayed next to Cung Le's head: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/386683_308847835811428_308847602478118_1157132_1118996196_n.jpg

I'm really hoping that my sources help clear up "Flaggate" as I call it, once and for all. Glock17gen4 (talk) 08:03, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Btw Pinoy, you were on my talk page as well, so how about you stay off my talk page and I'll stay off yours? Deal? Glock17gen4 (talk) 08:05, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Btw Glock, I stopped posting once you got blocked. I tried to explain to you as to why he is an American, and not a Vietnamese national. Yet you continue to return to my Talk page posting for what? You have no concrete evidence other than a picture and "Saigon, Vietnam". This is the last time I am responding to you. I am going to ask you one more time, please stop posting on my Talk page. Regardless if the editors choose to revert Cung Le's articles. PinoyFilAmPride (talk) 08:29, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Question

Is someone calling me a "troll" count as a personal attack? It sounds like it does because of this:

"Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. Evidence often takes the form of diffs and links presented on wiki. Sometimes evidence is kept private and made available to trusted users." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glock17gen4 (talk • contribs) 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Comparing Cung Le to Osama Bin Laden, threatening or joking to sue Wikipedia, constantly converting Cung Le's article, using phrases such as "u mad bro", "cool story bro" are clear examples of disruptive behavior. That is concrete evidence that you have done time and time again. PinoyFilAmPride (talk) 08:22, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is considered attacking the editor.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 10:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Toward the Unknown

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Aviation categories

1. Can you explain the proposed move from Category:Deliberate airliner crashes to Category:Airliner accidents and incidents involving deliberate crashes ? Isn't that an unnecessarily long title ? 2. I think there should be a category for articles about aviation communications - e.g. there are 6 articles in Category:Aviation terminology beginning with the letter "A" that could go in such a category. How does Category:Aviation communications sound to you ? DexDor (talk) 08:15, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The category tree for crashes of that type uses the "Airliner accidents and incidents involving/caused by foo" standard - that's the reasoning there; it is a tad long but it fits the pattern of the rest of the tree, also, "crashes" isn't used by any other categories in the tree. As for the second idea that sounds like a pretty good idea! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

List of books about kites

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from List of books about kites, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Cline (talk • contribs) 12:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The server kitties are sad...

...don't know how I did that, but obviously the server kitties and the users too are tired today. HurricaneFan25 15:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

And thus the words I hear far too often in my life follow me to Wikipedia: "I've never seen anything like THAT before!" ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The Spirit of St. Louis (film)

In the words of Princess Leia: Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi; you're my only hope as the contretemps has descended precipitously into an editwar over a very minor point on which number convention to use. I am ringing off for the rest of the day, but would appreciate a second set of eyes here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC).

My brain is still slowly engaging caffinated mode, but I'll take a look. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hcobb and NPOV

Bombs-away!

1. Hcobb (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• See this for his latest addition of news and commentary-style content. He doesn't even seem to be trying to be neutral any longer. What would you suggest as a next step? The RFCUs I've participated in were usually a waste of time, but I'm willing to try if it's warranted here. Is there another venue that might be better to go to? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, he's gotten the "not adhering to NPOV" template now for one thing. As for where to go...well, I'm honestly not sure. I'm not really familiar with the RFC/U process - more with AN/I (and this doesn't call for that (yet) for a variety of reasons!). So for the moment...revert and warn as necessary and start letting the WP:ROPE play out? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks for warning him. We'll see what happens next. - BilCat (talk) 18:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

• BR, I concur with Bill, HCobb is another pain in the ass with his infrequent news-droppings on military related pages, once in a long while he might hit the jackpot, most of them its just his mindless way of bombs-away~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 06:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

• And a fresh salvo here... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:30, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Facepalm << At Dave's photo! LOL! Hcobbs has always had the potential to be a good editor, but of late he seem's to be more enamored with "the sound of his own voice", and some of these posts, may well be just to provoke reactions from me and others such as O-cobra. But if he keeps up the informal/non-neutral text addtions to articles, such as Beechcraft T-6 Texan II here today, I'm definitley taking this to the "community" for review. - BilCat (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, in that case he might have been on the ball (could have picked a better edit summary of course) - but othewise, quite a few of his comments (such as the C-27J one) have been rather...NNPOV! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:36, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, I mis-remembered on that one! The T-6 edit was just sloppy - He is capable of better writing! :) - BilCat (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

• Just as the saying goes: "There's no ugly woman, only lazy woman.", he could be well capable of writing his own but he chooses to be an idiot by taking the easy path to become a supreme sloth. Ought to slap him around with a trout to wake up his grand idea, no? BTW, glad you like my apt illustration and complimenting photo... I'm spot on, right? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 04:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

So you are in favor of editor calculated T/W ratios? If so you could comment over at the aircraft project thread. Hcobb (talk) 05:55, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

• Hcobb, why are you here then? FWIW, I can't decide if you're trolling or baiting here. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 07:13, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Hcobb's willful ignorance of the contents of the thrust-to-weight ratio debate aside, I am forced to agree with the assertion that Hcobb posts out of being "enamored with the sound of his own voice." Of notable example, he has recently started starting increasingly obscure talk page discussions where it is very difficult to tell what he is even talking about. Take Talk:Space warfare#Cyber warfare, I honestly cannot tell what incident he is talking about from his initial post. I doubt very many others can as well. He's started doing these more and more, and almost always without a single link to bring supporting evidence. When one is requested, he tends to respond either aggressively or as if it should be "self-evident." This seems to be a new evolution of an old behavior where he'd post a link to a large and detailed article and then ask if it was "worth a mention," all without any attempt at pointing out what it is in the article he found interesting. I'd also point out that Hcobb's edit summaries usually give no hint as to what is contained in his actual edits. They are usually either the headline of the article he is using as a source (the wording of which often has little to do with his edits, since he tends to pick out single sentence tidbits from articles rather than going for the meat), or are snarky comments suggesting that Air Force servicemen should be or are committing suicide/snorting chemicals. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 06:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

• For the un-initiated, this is a very good indicator of the growing list of people getting flabberghasted/frustrated by Hcobb's erratic antics. Time to start the RFCU ball rolling? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 07:13, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

ANI

Thanks for sending on the notification, I was leaving the editor a welcome note and then my phone rang and forgot to add the ANI notification. Mo ainm~Talk 20:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Blocking of editor done way too quickly

As per Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Sneaky_vandalism_campaign_involving_fake_references there appears to be information that editors did not take into account in their rush to indef an editor based upon one-sided information. Whilst that information may have been presented in good faith, it would be pertinent to wait for the editor in question to comment. They have now done so on their talk page, and their comments have merit. You are getting this message as you have supported their block on the thread in question, and I think you should go back and read their comments and reconsider your position. It is disappointing that too many people jumped the gun on this occasion in condemning the editor in question. Russavia ^{Let's dialogue} 05:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Scott Viking 1

Orlady (talk) 16:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

CFDS

I notice that you have done a bunch of speedy category renaming without discussion and I think you've been pushing it a bit too far. Speedy should only be done in OBVIOUS cases as they are strictly spelled out. For example, you just had Category:Champ Car tracks renamed to Category:Champ Car circuits. That's changing a word to one with a somewhat different meaning without discussion. (The rounded rectangle at Indy is a circuit not an oval track??) Another undiscussed change was Category:ARCA drivers to Category:ARCA Racing Series drivers. The series article was not changed - so how does it meet speedy criteria? Why was "Racing Series" capitalized? A third was Category:NASCAR owners to Category:NASCAR team owners. I don't think this one is controversial but I still think it should have been discussed. Discussion and time are cheap. Why haven't you been at least bringing them up to relevant WikiProjects to gauge consensus? As administrators, we need to be careful about what we do not that it gives the wrong impression to newbies and non-admins. I'm not mad at you or anything. I think that I can be forward enough with you to bring thinks like this up. Royalbroil 04:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry if it seems I've been pushing, but "Champ car circuits" was renamed to match the main article for the category, which is List of Champ Car circuits. As for the question regading the ARCA drivers category, "the series article was not changed" - I'm not sure what you mean there, as the series article is at ARCA Racing Series, and the parent category was Category:ARCA Racing Series - Racing Series is capitalised because the series name is ARCA Racing Series (presented by etc.). I took these to CFDS because I believed that they were all non-controversial changes; that is the purpose of WP:CFDS, which gives 48 hours for category changes believed to be non-controversial changes to be objected to before going through. If you think these need more discussion though, from now on I'll nominate racing series cats all through the main process. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

• Initially I thought that your were disambiguating the word ARCA. I liked "ARCA drivers" because I believe that the category should include drivers from ARCA's other series just like Category:NASCAR drivers includes from multiple series. Thanks for explaining why CART circuit even though it sounds odd to me.

I wish we Wikipedians were more discussion-oriented like we were about 2-5 years ago. Everyone just does their own thing with too little discussion anymore. I wonder if that partially to blame for why editing is declining. Thanks for putting up with me on my soapbox! Royalbroil 02:39, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem! Just as long as the soap in that box isn't used to wash out my mouth. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:50, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Redlands Passenger Rail

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Category

Hi, Bushranger. I noticed you added Category:Novara class cruisers of the French Navy to SMS Novara (1913). I'm wondering if it's really a useful category, though, given that it will only ever have one article in it. Parsecboy (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I debated about that; I wasn't sure if simply putting it in Category:Cruisers of the French Navy made sense or to make it a subcat of the class cat (and that subcat to CotFN). If you think it would be better off in the Generic French Cruiser Category I've got no problem with that. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

User behavior question

I'm contacting you because you are familiar with user BigzMMA from several issues at WP:ANI over the past month. I see he's now made about 15-20 posts about me to various users and WP pages. You can see the post on his talk page User talk:BigzMMA. I'm particularly fond of the comment that he's never had a problem with any other user or their opinion. Is there anything I can or should do, or should I just ignore them/him? He hasn't contacted me since he started making this barrage of posts. I'll look for your reply here. Thanks. Papaursa (talk) 02:31, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I personally would ignore it - and let any potential WP:ROPE play out. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:51, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I feel like I'm being personally attacked and slandered behind my back, but I will take your advice. Thanks. Papaursa (talk) 03:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

If they stoop to WP:NPA level, reporting at WP:ANI might be necessary, but I try to take the "cockatoo approach" as much as possible - if you give them attention, even negative, that just reinforces "if I'm noisy I get attention". - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

FYI There's a Dispute Resolution Noticeboard thread in relation to Papaursa and BigzMMA. Any outside guidance would be appreciated. Hasteur (talk) 16:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

You might want to look at that dispute. It's at WP:MMANOT, WT:MMANOT. I'm really getting tired of the abuse and groundless accusations. I tried to take your advice, but I had to respond when he took it to dispute resolution. Papaursa (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look when I get a chance. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 27 Squadron SAAF

Hello! Your submission of 27 Squadron SAAF at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! I know that this article was created by another editor; but they were notified about the problem with the submission on 11 November, and haven't responded. Harrias ^talk 17:44, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for not having notified you myself: I only sent the automated message to Farawayman, and he never replied; I forgot that it was your nomination. I hope I haven't posed a problem for the DYK nom. Dahn (talk) 19:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Nah, no worries. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Maufer2

Really wish someonewould hurry up and enact a minimum IQ requirement for access to the internet? sheesh--Jac16888 ^Talk 01:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

• True - then again, I'm not going to complain when they make it easy for us with big neon "SOCK HERE" signs! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Good point :)--Jac16888 ^Talk 01:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

You can't fix stupid. :-) -Fnlayson (talk) 21:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Speed (1936 film)

Materialscientist (talk) 00:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_November_23#Category:Wikipedian_sex_workers

Hey Bushranger, who do I have to pleasure, orally or otherwise, to get this overturned? BTW, that was a pretty bad-faith nomination, no matter the value of the argument. And wasn't I supposed to be notified, or are the rules different for categories? Happy days, Drmies (talk) 01:05, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

CfD doesn't require notification, actually - if you want it overturned, though, it goes through DRV like everything else, I believe. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

SSME

Hi Bushranger, just a quick message regarding the links to the SSME article - I'd just spent some effort retargeting links to point at Space Shuttle main engine rather than Space Shuttle Main Engine and, as I suspect I might insert forks in my eyes if I have to do it all again, do you know of a better way of retargeting all the links that hit the article by way of one of the redirects? Cheers, Colds7ream (talk) 13:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I think there's probably a bot somewhere to do that - but, since it's my "fault" this needs to be done, I can see about doing some of it myself and sparing the poor forks! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed! :-D Colds7ream (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

High Flight (film)

Okay, now I'm stuck on obscure aviation films; this one I discovered recently on Turner Classic Movies and was intrigued by the connection of the film to the poem of the same name by Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee, Jr., an airman who died over the skies of RAF Cranwell, where the film was mainly shot. Take a look, I've nearly completely rewritten the article. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC).

Nifty! Needs a ref in the third paragraph of "Production" tho. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

List of airports in Foo

...was created by ‎B767-500 (talk · contribs), per your request. Out of curiosity, where is Foo? →Στc. 07:16, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• ... Facepalm. (also, "request": [15]...) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Timmy Hill

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Not with My Wife, You Don't!

Just caught this film, or at least, most of it on Turner Classic Movies, and was intrigued by first of all, all the aviation sequences with Thunderbirds F-100s and F-86 Sabres. Then, I found out this was a product of the Panama/Frank writing and directing team that was behind the successful road pictures, starring Bob Hope, Bing Crosby and Dorthy Lamour, with Tony Curtis, George C. Scott (yes, that George C. Scott) and Virna Lisi reprising the Hope, Crosby and Lamour roles in a road picture set in the air! Gotta take a look at what I have done to a basically teeny, tiny article. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:10, 5 December 2011 (UTC).

• Is it wrong that when I saw the character name "Ferris" mentioned, the first thing I thought of was this? ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, might want to tweak the "Production" section a little for wording, it sounds just a little POV? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I thought Ferris Bueller? As for production, most was from other's assesments of the film, but I can put some quotes to that, and do some more revision. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:25, 5 December 2011 (UTC).

Makes sense. And heh - that connection would never occur to me... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:26, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sparoair

Orlady (talk) 22:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC) 08:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Cone of Silence (film)

Another obscure film, this time a British mystery based loosely on the de Havilland Comet crashes and bringing for the first time, the human factor into the investigation as the author of the novel on which the film is based is a leading psychologist in the field. FWiW, still working this one up ... FWiW, not the Cone of Silence from Get Smart ... Bzuk (talk) 17:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC).

• "Would you believe...it's not the same thing?" - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Reservoirs in Syracuse, New York

Bushranger, you mentioned when you were deleting the category that it wouldn't impact anything, but now the reservoir pages are linked at all to the city of Syracuse?? I don't understand what the purpose of this type deletion since this category could have been linked from the NY category instead? Plus, I don't like when you look at the NY reservoir page you can't tell what city any of them are in? Nconwaymicelli Nconwaymicelli 19:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Linking them to the city of Syracuse should be done in a section of the Syracuse, New York page; List of dams and reservoirs in New York would be the place for grouping NY reservoirs by-city. Doing it by category falls foul of WP:OC and WP:SMALLCAT. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:51, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Your SPI Block

Hey there, I see you blocked News Historian as a sockpuppet of William_M._Conway. I am a little confused about this, as the Conway account was blocked due to a username violation, so it is not strange at all for the user to create a new account. Did they vote stack or something? Arkon (talk) 16:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Conway was blocked for disruptive editing as well - the block of NH was the conclusion of this discussion on the subject. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

No, Conway was blocked as a username violation.

"06:32, November 24, 2011 Zzuuzz (talk | contribs) blocked William M. Conway (talk | contribs) (autoblock disabled) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ usernameblock"

Also, in the discussion you linked, when asked for diffs of the accused behavior, none were presented. Arkon (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I suppose it doesn't really matter anymore. Looks like he hadn't edited since the 2nd (which was vandalism reverts btw), and given your lack of rationale for your block, I wouldn't be surprised to see him actually socking at this point. Terrible block, even worse communication on your part. If you are going to use your tools, at least be accountable for it. Arkon (talk) 15:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I overlooked your reply. My rationaile for blocking was the consensus that the block should be made on the SPI page. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Convair Model 58-9

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 1972 Chicago-O'Hare runway collision

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

ACR of the AV-8B

Hi, since you participated in the failed FAC of the AV-8B, I'd like to ask you to participate in the article's MILHIST ACR at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II. Thank you --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look when I get a chance. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For pointing out that there is a 'me' in 'team' after I went through the trouble of pointing out that there was no 'I' in 'team', I hereby bestow upon you this Barnstar of Good Humor. However you choose to put it to use, rest assured that we will be happy with your decision. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

• I assure you, it was all just in pun! ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

• We can sleep easy now in the know that you have done your best to put a smile on everybody's face. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 07:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Troll? Sock?

• Hello BR, see Talk:Airbus A380#Accident or Incident? for more details. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 13:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Bandits, 12 o'clock high!

1. Francistaylor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
2. Robertshuens‎ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Definitely socks of Vitorreid‎ (talk · contribs), back again cherry picking on my sourced edits once more. Only thing that puzzles me now is, they're obviously trolling with me but in that process, it helps to boost my edit count. Does it make me look bad? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 16:29, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

• Results out, all confirmed as stinky smelly socks, ewww... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 17:28, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

• Time to toss them in the dryer! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

• Why do that when it's best to hang them out to dry~?! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 16:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

• Because if you toss them in the dryer, they get lost. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

• As they get weirder and weirder, we become funnier and funnier... at their expense! Who knew? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 06:48, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Give me a break

Go deal with others instead? Or are you going to have to do the punitive block that will prove nothing but those who spout lies get to continue them. Why don't you actually read what was written. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 00:19, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

• Why don't you read WP:CIVIL? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Why don't' you read the thread on ARbcom? I've read civility? And so you are part of the civility police? Then please block Captain Occam for his outrageous lies about me on ArbCom? Oh, wait, you don't want to do that, because it's much easier to pass along a punitive block against me without anything. We know CIVIL is used by admins who do not spend any time investigating the facts. Obviously, you do not choose to do so. I understand. It's easier just to threaten editors. Good job! OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 00:34, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
    • What he has or has not done is irrelevant to your personal attacks in the ANI thread. No matter what another editor has or has not done, personal attacks are never acceptable. Yes, he needs to chill out himself - but his actions don't permit lashing out in return. It's better, when attacked, to respond kindly - if nothing else, it confuses them. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:28, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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• Thanks, and a very Merry Christmas to you! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Atlantic National Bank

The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Vasili

Aye, Captain. – voidxor ^{(talk | contrib)} 21:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:53, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Andrei...you've lost another submarine?! – voidxor ^{(talk | contrib)} 22:05, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Regarding your deletion of ACG Strathallan

Hi Bushranger

I am new to Wikipedia, and I recently authored a comprehensive and well-referenced article on ACG Strathallan, which was promptly deleted by Gadfium. He informed me this was because an original article regarding Strathallan had been deleted prior to mine. Could you please explain to me why the original article was deleted? I have found a Wikipedia article on ACG Sunderland - another school run by Strathallan's parent company, Academic Colleges Group - and the Sunderland article is written very similarly to mine. I would very much like Gadfium to be able to restore my article (which I was admittedly stupid enough not to save, and therefore do not have a copy of) and I see no reason/cause for it to have been deleted in the first place. Please try to help me with this issue.

Many thanks Victor997 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor997 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

• Hi there. The original article was deleted following this discussion; your article was insufficiently improved, from the version that was deleted, and thus was deleted as a recreation of a deleted article. However, I have restored your edits and moved the page into your userspace - it is currently at User:Victor997/ACG Strathallan. You can work on the page in your userspace to improve and expand it so that, when it is ready, you can move it back into articlespce as a valid article. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:19, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank you for replying so promptly, and restoring my article to my talk page - much appreciated. As much as I would love to expand/improve it, I have not seen the original version. If you could show me the original version and specify what needs to improved, I would be happy to oblige, if not - why can't we just publish the article disregarding its predecessor? i.e. See if anybody has any problems with it after it is uploaded, for I can see nothing wrong with it and there is currently a very similar article on Sunderland, as I mentioned earlier.

Thank you for your help. Victor997 (talk) 01:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

• The presence of "other stuff" has no bearing on whether an article is kept or deleted, and it is against policy to "republish" an article that is substanially identical to a deleted article, especially one deleted less than two months ago. I performed an edit-and-revert to the page in your userspace - this is the way the page was at the time it was deleted, for reference. :) Good luck! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

David Richards

Hi Bushranger. You may have noticed that I have reverted your move of David Richards (racing) to David Richards (co-driver), on the basis that (as far as I am aware) he is more well-known as a motorsport team manager than as a rally co-driver, so the more general name is more appropriate. If you still believe the article should be renamed, please start a discussion on the article's talk page. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 01:54, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

• Alright, thanks for letting me know. I'll poke around a bit when I get a chance - right now, I'm ready for some football. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:55, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

PROD for Scott Young (racing driver)

I created that article in 2006 after the driver had limited success, but then he almost immediately vanished into the aether. I cannot find any news coverage, historical or recent. I have no objection to the article being deleted. -- Scjessey (talk) 18:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

• No worries. Hopefully he'll pop back up successfully. Thanks for the note. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:Guns

Category:Fiearms? Vegaswikian (talk) 03:32, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

No doubt related to Category:Feearms, Category:Foearms, and Category:Fumarms. (Thanks for the catch.) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Bot block

I think the bot referenced at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Reedy_Bot should be unblocked. The edits it was making do not, contrary to Lugnuts, violate any policy. I was investigating this and had dispensed with the idea of blocking based on the actual edits being made. A very small number of pages are having their stub template put above the cats instead of below which means absolutely nothing. We're (the bot handler and folks at #Pywikipediabot) looking in to what is going on but it's occurring with AWB as well apparently, so it is not the bot scripts themselves that are the problem. Again though, it's amazingly trivial. Please consider unblocking so the bot can continue and we can discuss the issue at ANI further if necessary. Thanks.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The bot is going to finish the task on AWB, which no longer has the issue that raised the concerns, I have hence unblocked it. Regards, Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 22:50, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was violating MOS. Anyway, seems to be all fixed now I take it. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's a meaningless MOS provision, it has no material effect on the output whether the stub templates are above or below the cats (it does change the position of the stub cat, but there is no indication anywhere that this was a consideration in the sequencing), the sequence appears to be merely to keep the stub template from getting mixed into the middle of something else or up in content or below interwikis where nothing should really be. (It also appears to be a problem with how pywikipediabot deals with templates and categories in general and that requires our own devs to fix as pywikipediabot is maintained on the mediawiki svn - Reedy happens to be a dev but not a pywikipediabot dev). Anyway, as you said, it's all fixed now (because Reedy reverted to using AWB). Cheers.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 08:19, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hcobb and NPOV redux

See archive of previous discussion

I feel the need to revive the discussion of Hcobb's POV edits, especially with regards to the F-22 and F-35 articles. He has reinserted content that was previously removed because of question to its weight. Now, as the editor who initially removed that content, I'm open to discussion and defense of it should Hcobb wish to do so, but his edit summary on reinserting it was only "Noting other shoe dropping." That is not a counter or a defense. When I removed his content again, he responded with his characteristic outlash on the talk page that made no attempt to connect his comments to the edits he is complaining about. He did so with a highly inflammatory thread title that was directly opposite to the claims made by his own source. I have since responded and renamed the thread title. On F-35, he continues his campaign of attacking edits on the subject, even so far as inserting content that, when he brought it up on the talk page, had little support and was directly questioned. Hcobb's response to make a joke at the expense of the article subject, and insert the content without actually addressing the comments made on the talk page. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 06:25, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The design of the emergency oxygen system lead directly the the loss of aircraft and pilot. Why is that not worth a mention? Hcobb (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The OBOS should be mentioned. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Hcobb, your own source specifically states that the oxygen system did not lead to the death of the pilot, the pilot failing to use it was the cause. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 22:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, the oxygen system is mentioned in the F-22 article already, and has been for months. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 01:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The emergency oxygen system is not mentioned, just the main system. Hcobb (talk) 02:26, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

A point already responded to in the edit summary removing your content. You've yet to justify its return or inclusion. The emergency oxygen system did not kill the pilot, the pilot did not make use of the emergency oxygen system. "The other shoe dropping" is not an argument, and neither is misrepresenting your own source. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 03:02, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Max Gresham

Orlady (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC) 09:03, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Appreciated. Bit early in the morning for me I think. ^_^
Kindest regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 09:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

No prob! And it's late-thirty for me. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion

Is there a way of finding out if there was an article for deletion discussion on a subject, please? As far as I can tell, the AFD discussions are not Google-searchable.--Toddy1 (talk) 18:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

There's a search box on the WP:AfD page which allows you to search all cases (both open and archived). Does this help? Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 18:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks--Toddy1 (talk) 19:23, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Block for User:24.52.237.81

Concerning this SPI; I notice that the 2 accounts mentioned in the report have been indeffed for socking and legal threats, and yet the IP was blocked only for a month. Should this not also be an indef block? Regards Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 14:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• Indeffing IPs is generally frowned upon, as they tend to be dynamic and, thus, prone to the block being futile and collateral damage being likely. Odds are 24* guy won't be on that 24* address anymore when the block expires - if he is and comes back, the block can be extended then. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:15, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

MILHIST Military Aviation Questionaire

Hi The Bushranger! As your MILHIST Military Avation Task Force coordinator, I'd like to conduct a short questionaire to give me an idea of what you would the task force to achieve and the capabilities of yours that might contribute positively to the task force. The four questions of this questionaire are:

1. What are your strengths on Wikipedia?
2. Which four military aviation articles would you like to see be promoted to at least GA?
3. What detailed resources (books, journals, etc) about military aviation do you have access to? Please provide the publications' authors, titles and ISSNs/ISBNs.
4. Which three military aviation articles are you wiling to provide assistance? This can be expansion, copyediting, reference formatting, etc.

Please reply by copying and pasting the following at User talk:Sp33dyphil#MILHIST Military Aviation questionnaire and filling it out.

; ~~~
#My strengths
#Articles I'd like to see the task force improve
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#Sources which I have
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#Articles I'm willing to provide assistance
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Thank you for your assistance. Regards --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 22:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

67.121.106.240

I've got another kid acting up.—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

He's quacking.—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Oi vey. Why do these articles attract meddling kids so much? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Could you put him out of my misery?—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I've given him a bit of rope. If he continues in this vein, it'll be sprung. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

And I see he removed the warning tag... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

And he's using his half-assed knowledge of the site to make it stay gone.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. I suspect that he's on a dynamic IP, though, so any further action (now that he seems to have stopped editing) is likely pointless. I'll keep an eye on him though (but am about to head to bed...) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Con Air

Stumbled onto the movie model that was used in Con Air at the Wendover Airport, Utah and decided to see what the Wikipedia article looked like. After gasping and catching my breath, I did a rewrite, little-by-little. See what you think?! What's notable is that the movie set at Wendover AFB was also the proving ground for the "Enola Gay" and the unit that went over to Tinian in 1945. The C-123K transport that was used for taxi and static sequences was also the scene of a horrific accident on set, and after all the legal issues that resulted, was left behind at Wendover where it now serves as a tourist attraction. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC).

Nice work! I remember reading about "the real Con Air" in one of the aviation magazines a few years back. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...

Nice catch here... I forgot to re-add the fact that it was an American aircraft... Magus732 (talk) 22:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Extra Zero

Noticed you were running a cat changer and wondering why you are adding a 0 in front of the actual designation. Assuming it isn't a typo - if sorting is an issue wouldn't a space after the dash make more sense? I have never seen the Widgeon referred to as a G-044 - always as a G-44, likewise with the Mallard and Bell XP-52. Cheers, NiD.29 (talk) 15:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

• I put the 0 there so that the aircraft with two-number designations sort before the three-number ones; in the example above, for instance, so that the G-44 and G-73 sort before the G-118. IMHO, the simplest way to do that (assuming that there's no way to convince Wikimedia to change the sorting algorhythm...) is to make all the designations three-number ones, with 0s where necessary (i.e. G-044, G-073, G-118; or, in another sequence, F-004, F-088, F-101...). Since the category sorting is hidden, unseen by readers, it doesn't affect readability or naming, and I'm not sure if an extra space will make it sort properly - also, it looks better, too, at least for me. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Makes sense. I realized I couldn't see the zero anywhere after I posted but was still curious as to where it went. ThanksNiD.29 (talk) 22:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
    • No worries! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:59, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Showa/Nakajima L2D

I may have been a bit presumptive here. Whattdathink? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:05, 22 December 2011 (UTC).

Looks pretty nifty to me. One suggestion, should probably pick either Showa or Nakajima for the title - titles with slashes are something trying to be phased out as much as possible, as I recall. I'm pretty sure Showa would be the most common? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I struggled with that one as the vast majority of sources list Nakajima solely although Showa was the more prolific manufacturer. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC).

Hmm. That does produce a conundrum! I do know growing up in the 80s most of my aircraft books listed "Showa" - I'll take a look and see what I can see. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion

Hello, Bushranger. Can I ask a small favor, please? When you are deleting a category due to "Speedy renaming" (as in the recent case of Category:Ararat (province)), it would be very helpful if you would include the new name of the category in the deletion summary. Although this one was reasonably guessable, they aren't always, and trying to track it down otherwise can be quite time-consuming. I was trying to fix a red-link that used the old title. Thanks for your consideration. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:54, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah. No worries - I'll start doing that. Thanks for the poke. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:22, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:Featured article candidates/Boeing 767/archive1

Just a pointer. - Dank (push to talk) 04:43, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a look when I get a chance. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:47, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Need help here to defuse a possible editwar

On Canadian Parliamentary Motion on Alexander Graham Bell, a series of revisions were made without consensus although clearly stated in the talk strings are discussions that revolve around and acceptance of not merging or condensing the article. I have already reverted twice and do not want to get into an editwar, as the editor in question does appear to want to discuss his reasons (but in a flippant way). FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:45, 23 December 2011 (UTC).

Replied there. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:25, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:Songs produced by Sufjan Stevens

I have made a further comment at Songs produced by Sufjan Stevens. You may wish to respond. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:17, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Nuclear submarines

Hi, I notice that (i) you have done a lot of work on categorizing ships, and (ii) there is no Category:Nuclear submarines. Most of the sub-cats of Category:Nuclear-powered ships are actually submarines, so it would be quite quick and easy to set this up if you think it's appropriate. I'll leave it to you. – Fayenatic (talk) 17:59, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Hm, that's a good point! I think I noticed that before but decided not to make it until after the big renames went through. Now that they have, I'll get on that. :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:16, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

And another thing... please make your way round the categories and see whether the sub-cats are sorted properly. Many sort keys needed to be made explicit that used to work on the first word of the old category name. I've just done the set from the Nov 24 CFD but there may well be others that need sorting out. It's quick work that keeps your edit count up... Happy Christmas! :-) – Fayenatic (talk) 22:18, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

...yeep, unintended consequences! ;) I'll have a look around as time permits - and thanks for the poke. And a Merry Christmas to you as well! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

'Tis that season again

	Happy Holidays!
	Hope you and your family are enjoying the holiday season! Thanks for all the work you do here, and I hope we bump into each other more often. Your friend, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:36, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and a very Merry Christmas to you too! :-) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:37, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry X'mas~!

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®}is wishing you a Merry Christmas.

This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove.

Spread the cheer by adding {{Subst:Xmas4}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Merry Christmas! :-) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:56, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Sopwith Camel

Just to drop a lump of coal into your stocking: See the following edit:" Koz Aero LLC is currently building an authentic replica in the United States using original factory drawings. It is based on an original Clerget engine, instruments, armament and data plate. Authentic materials and construction methods are being used to reproduce an exact copy of the F1 Camel. This true replica will differ from the original only by its presence in time and space."

..and then the note from the website source: " Koz Aero LLC is currently building an authentic replica around an original Clerget engine, instruments, armament and data plate. Authentic materials and construction methods are being used to reproduce an exact copy of the F1 Camel. This true replica will differ from the original only by its presence in time and space." FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC).

• Facepalm - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Season's tidings!

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:16, 25 December 2011 (UTC).

• Merry Christmas! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

	Happy Holidays!
	Happy Holidays! I really hope you're having a great time this winter. I haven't really talked to you that much, so I wanted to take this time to say hello. Buggie111 (talk) 03:16, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. :) And a very Merry Christmas to you as well! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (December 2011)

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Linestwice suspected sockpuppet of Chanakyathegreat

Linestwice (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

I have reason to believe that Linestwice is a recent sockpuppet of Chanakyathegreat. User Linestwice popped up on the 21st December 2011 and displays the same editing interests as Chanakyathegreat. It is also worthy to note that they share a very similar manner of writing. Thank you. — Woe^(eoW) 14:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The duck is indeed strong in this one. Thanks for pointing him out! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:54, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Linesthrice (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Another sock of Chanakya, the user name is also directly related to the previous sock. Cheers. — Woe90i^Woe90i 02:34, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:GIANTDUCK. Somebody else already bagged them. Pass the orange sauce! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bothering you, but the sockmaster returned briefly, with a vengeance. Numerous accounts of blatant vandalism and large scale reverts bla bla and an edit summary of "Only three idiots. How many times it need to be told to fools including the bloody bastard admins of Wikipedia. Rascals like you don't understand basic courtesy and good behaviour. Things need to be drilled into your shit heads."

The sock was blocked fairly quickly, but shouldn't something be done with the articles he keeps returning to vandalize? Perhaps a sort of temporary protection on the articles? If he cannot edit he'll get bored surely. But I guess once his newly created socks are autoconfirmed hell be able to edit regardless. Just a query.

Bestquick (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Might want to contact WP:RPP about protecting the pages. In the meantime, Whack-a-Sock - the IPs he's on are in too busy a section of ye olde Intertubes to rangeblock, unfortunatly. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Why you don't want the winning list

Hi, there "The Bushranger". I'm User:HotMAN0199, but because you block my I gave to write to you as a No User. Can you rispones to my this little question, why you don't want to see the winning table or winning list (as most resenly I have use the winning list) in Juan Pablo Montoya's page? If as I can recall almost all (because I don't want to say all) NASCAR drivers have neather a winning list or winning table in there pages. Please sent my a message back. Thanks for your time User talk:HotMAN0199. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.85.189 (talk) 09:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:HotMAN0199 so as not to cause block evasion. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Martin-Baker Mk.1

A Merry Christmas - and other winter festivities Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much for nominating it, all the best. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 12:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem! It's a great article. Wish I'd been able to nom some of the other EJ articles you wrote but the holly daze kept me from paying too much attention until they were past DYK's best-by date. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:34, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Hell Divers

Dang that Turner Classic Movies, found the first "starring role" for Clark Gable, and lo and behold, it's in an aircraft movie. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC).

Nice. :D - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Since you're on.......

Would you mind looking over Reina Victoria Eugenia class battleship? I want to send it in for a GA (don't think it can go any farther), and wanted to know if you could give me any help on obvious flaws in the article. TIA, Buggie111 (talk) 03:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, the main question I can see is the "Victory At Sea" source and the WP:RS status as well - not a problem for B-class but I'd suspect somebody at GA will query it. I think it's good (since I put it there originally :P) but... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh good lord! It's a role playing game manual. That will be something to get around. I'll check over GBooks for maybe a supplement or two. Thanks. Buggie111 (talk) 03:46, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I know. :P But...it's all I could find. (If only we could find the sources they used, eh?) This has got to be the most obscure class of battleships on the planet. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:47, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Just by the way, I've emailed the guy, kind of concerned about the 2005 last update date on his website. Buggie111 (talk) 04:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully we'll hear something from him. I think if we can't find more solid sources the only thing that will really need to be cut out will be the part about 15" guns - there should be something elsewhere about Vickers-Armstrong, I'd assume, British assistiance falls under the "WW1 stopped them from being completed" thing, and the not-completed should be easy to cite. :P - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:Guided missiles by operator

Tempted to nominate Category:Guided missiles by operator for deletion but is has a lot of sub-cats not something I have done before. First is it worth raising and if so any help appreciated, thanks MilborneOne (talk) 16:13, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry supplementary - we also appear to have a series of cats Category:Modern weapons by country with no idea what modern means! missile cats appear to be a bit of mess presumably because nobody really looks after them? MilborneOne (talk) 16:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

• Both of those cat trees need to be ditched, however in the by-operator grouping I'm not sure that some people will see reason, as it were. Might be best to send the latter one ("Modern") through first as there's currently a fairly strong consensus at CfD that "former"/"past"/"modern"/"current" etc. are discouraged, I'd think. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Understood, thanks for that I will have a look at the modern cats and see what needs nominating. MilborneOne (talk) 20:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

The "modern" ones? All of them need nominating, IMHO. Like aircraft, they should be sorted by country of creation; operators and past/present can be lists/articles. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:24, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Canadian Parliamentary Motion on Alexander Graham Bell

Was there a consensus for this move? I saw nothing but "oppose" but move went through anyway? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC).

It's Wikilawyering, IMHO. The merge was opposed, but there was nothing truly for or against a move. Perhaps now that the article is about the U.S. bill a seperate article on the Canadian bill can be created though... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I've reverted the move and opened a discussion section. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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Gearheaddeals Page Deletion

The other day you deleted my page "gearheaddeals". I saw no discussion about this and I believe you should restore it since it is still under debate and was restored by another moderator. Please reconsider this as I have shown a few times that the article is noteworthy, the sources are legitimate, and I have rewritten the article as requested so that it sounds less like "promotion". Thank you.Bmwm3guy (talk) 06:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The discussion, on which you commented earlier, was at WP:Articles for deletion/Gearheaddeals.

If you disagree with the results of the deletion discussion, please see WP:Deletion review for guidance on how to contest the results of the AfD. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 06:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Barek. Bmwm3guy, if you'd like, I can restore a copy of the article to your userspace for you to work on. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:12, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:2010s aircraft stubs

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inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lesbian Adventures: Wet Panties

I agree that the article did not show independent notability for a separate article, but would you have any issue with my secting it as a redirect to its director or to the series article? I figure we may as well send readers where we have sourced context and I thought my suggestion was sensible for this seachable term... but no-one commented after my suggestion of such at the AFD. 03:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that - I meant to recreate a redirect, but got distracted a bit and it slipped my mind. I've redirected to the series now. -The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I did not wish to presume nor create one myself until having discussed it with you. Good job. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

A question

Hi, can I do a page named "Non-Americans NASCAR winner" (that the context will have three tables (one for each of top NASCAR series) or I'm going to violead the term that wikipedia is not a sport ecyclopedia? HotMAN0199. 8:26 pm 12/28/11 (ETC)

• I'd think that List of non-American winners in NASCAR would be a very appropriate and encyclopedic topic. Go for it! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Canadair Sabre

See my response at Canadair Sabre article. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:26, 29 December 2011 (UTC).

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B&M megashifter

I'm not sure why the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B&M megashifter is shifted, instead of deleted. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 00:38, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I was being silly. ;) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna change it to deleted, if you don't mind :P --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 02:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Nah, go ahead. My sense of humour gets stranger the later at night it gets. ;P - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Real time editing

• Note this edit as I thought about it and looked some more. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Edits passing in the night - I was going to move it to the speedy as it was per your earlier comment, figuring it could be CfD'd later, but per that edit I'll go ahead and add the "The". - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Messerschmitt P.1112

The DYK project (nominate) 05:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

It's now also featured on Portal:Germany. If have you have more DYK related to Germany,please feel free to insert it yourself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

You can't keep a good (BAD!) man down

G'day from Oz; our favourite mangler of the english language is back with us. Check out the following deafening quacking:

• [16]
• [17]
• [18] (note "A Ilushin")

Care to get mediaeval and wield your blocking mace again? YSSYguy (talk) 06:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• The +5 Mace of Blocking has been applied. You think he'd learn someday... - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:57, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Awarded to The Bushranger, as part of AustralianRupert's 2012 New Year Honours List, in recognition of their work on aviation related subjects during 2011. Thank you and keep up the good work! AustralianRupert (talk) 10:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 11:22, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Partenair Mystere

Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:33, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

		The 100 DYK Nomination Medal
		Well done! You are to be congratulated for helping nominate 100 new or expanded articles to T:TDYK to be mentioned on the Main page in the "Did you know?" section. Your effort to bring attention to the editing work of others has been a great encouragement to continued volunteerism on this, the greatest online encyclopedia in the world. The wiki thanks you! Binksternet (talk) 23:55, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! :) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:57, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations - that is a bunch of work! - Ahunt (talk) 01:25, 1 January 2012 (UTC)