Talk:2008 NFL season

Thank You!
Thanks for starting the 2008 NFL season page! NoseNuggets (talk) 3:02 AM US EST Dec 25 2007 (Christmas Day)

Disputed date
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/futuresites currently gives a date of February 1. We need some reference to support that the league does in fact want to delay the start of the season for the presidential conventions. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 13:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And even if the regular season is officially belated, that does not mean that the Super Bowl automatically will be too. The Super Bowl date was decided long before the presidential convention dates were scheduled. Tampa may not want to delay the Super Bowl due to logistic problems, and so there might only be a one week gap (no bye) between the Conference Championships and the Super Bowl like the 1990, 1993, 2001, and 2002 seasons. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no way to back that up. Besides, the NFL did not let the inauguration of a president get in the way of holding a Super Bowl.&mdash;Twigboy (talk) 05:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Besides, the Presidential conventions are on weekdays, not on Sunday, and not at Minnesota's home field, either. The only thing that would possibly need to be worked around is to make sure the Vikings don't play at home that week on Thursday night, which won't happen anyway since that game is traditionally the National Football League Kickoff game hosted by the defending Super Bowl champs (which won't be Minnesota, they missed the playoffs). Following the regular pattern the season would start September 4. JMyrleFuller (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, the article describing the International Series matchup (which cites league sources) that October 26 will be in Week 8. That would put Week 1 on the weekend of September 4-8. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 19:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * First, Zzyzx is right. If the season does delay their start one week, there would be a kindred symbolism for the Kickoff Game on September 11, even if the Giants (New York) and Redskins (Washington) are involved.  Second, there was a formal inauguration in 1985 at The White House because it fell on a Sunday; a second Inauguration, merely ceremonial was to have been held, but was canceled due to bitterly cold weather, so organizers had to improvise for the bands that were scheduled to be in the Inaugural Parade that day by playing at the now-defunct Capital Centre, Twigboy. Lastly, JMyrtleFuller, if the season opens a week late, October 26th would fall as a Week 7 game instead of a Week 8.  In addition, the NFL might consider putting the Giants opener on NFL Network, say, in exchange for NBC carrying a possible Christmas Night game, which would fall on a Thursday this year if the season opens September 4th, or possibly move the game to ESPN, in exchange for dropping their Monday Night twinbill that week, and NBC getting said Christmas night game in lieu for that. We'll have to wait and see for this, though. NoseNuggets (talk) 8:48 AM US EST Feb 9 2008.

Summarizing what I think you're all saying here, and inferring some things - please correct me if I'm wrong: All signs point to the NFL starting the season on Thursday, Sept 4. That game would normally be on NBC. NBC has a conflict as that's the last night of the Republican Convention, where the nominee gives the speech. (It's not a facilities conflict in Minneapolis/St. Paul - but it is a big TV conflict). Possible solutions as presented above: (1) Give the game to a cable network - I doubt NBC would go for this - a NY Giants opening game would be a big draw. (2) Start the season a week later. How about two other possibilities: (3) Start the game earlier - at 6:30 PM Eastern, it would be over before 10:00. (4) Move the game to Wednesday (still a conflict with the convention, but not a huge one) or Friday (lower viewership but not a bad option). Thanks. Simon12 (talk) 21:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but without specifically cited sources or references, all four points are currently unverifiable speculation, which is not permitted on the article under WP:CRYSTAL. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I wasn't suggesting putting anything in the article, just trying to summarize the issue. I would note that there is precedence for the NFL moving games earlier in the evening for convention coverage - it was for preseason games in 2000. (Yes, I know, big difference between preseason and the opening game of the regular season). Simon12 (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In the Cincinnati.com blog, there is the NFL's upcoming calendar, which says that it was released by the NFL. Even though its (presumably) editorially supported by Gannett, it did not seem to be reliable enough. (This is what I could find on the NFL site.) In any event the Cincinnati.com reference places Sept. 4 in the Kickoff Weekend.&mdash;Twigboy (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, the NFL has now commented on this, and from the comment it certainly seems like the season is expected to start on Sep 4 and conflicts with McCain's speech: "We are aware of it and will be discussing it with NBC," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello (who grew up in Syosset) wrote in an e-mail.
 * According to the AP story I posted in the main article, it appears that the September 4 date has been confirmed and the only issue is the time. It appears that they want to move it up to 7 p.m. to give McCain a chance to give his speech after 10:00. With that in mind, I have dropped "tentative" from the schedule starting date. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

International Series
Does someone have a source for the statement regarding the matchup/venue for the London game? All I can find is that "Details about the game -– including the venue and competing teams -– are expected to be confirmed during Super Bowl week (Jan. 28-Feb. 3) in Arizona." I've marked the statement with a citation-needed tag for now. JMyrleFuller (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Issue resolved. Thank you. J. Myrle Fuller 18:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Correction
It clearly states in the article linked in footnote 2 that the NFL approved up to two games to be played outside the US. The article had stated that the NFL approved a second game outside the US. This is completely false since the game in London WAS the second game outside the US. The first was in 2005, when the Cardinals and 49ers played in Mexico city. Please read the article correctly before footnoting it. Since the entire first paragraph is false in so many ways I am taking it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtbudi06 (talk • contribs) 12:40, February 1, 2008
 * Then explain why so many media outlets both here in the States and in London have confirmed that there's a second London game coming? The reports were both legitimate, cited reports, and just because you interpreted something different from that doesn't make you right. Goodell just confirmed it a few minutes ago anyway. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 18:58, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, this was the first NFL regular season contest outside North America. Mexico is part of North America when I last checked, of course. NoseNuggets (talk) 8:52 AM US EST Feb 9 2008.


 * I did not look up that particular article, but the source used in 2007 NFL season said it was up to two international games per year.&mdash;Twigboy (talk) 19:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Very interesting... Nutty Gorilla —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.49.163 (talk) 03:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Redirect
Shouldn't "NFL 2008" redirect here instead of to "National Football League (Ireland) 2008" which seems less notable? 163.231.6.86 (talk) 15:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Milestones
The Patriots' record (for however long it goes on) is an extension of their current record; in effect, they are breaking their current record on a weekly basis. (To those who expect it to end soon, pace.) Samer (talk) 01:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So, by that logic, shouldn't the "previous record holder" be their 19 game win streak instead of their streak of 18 from several years ago? Useight (talk) 01:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * By analogy, in the 2007 article, some records were set and then extended. They were listed as soon as they broke the record, and then the numbers were adjusted as the records were extended, without changing the "person whose record was broken" column. In any case, I would argue that this is a notable record worth mentioning (no previous NFL win streak has ever extended across three seasons). Samer (talk) 02:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

When I started posting these milestone tables on the NFL season articles a couple of years ago, my intention was to only list records that were broken during that season, not current, ongoing records being extended. Otherwise, the table becomes much longer (remember WP:SIZE). Why should the Pats' record be more notable than the following current streaks that were broken last year:


 * Most Regular-Season Wins by a Quarterback, Career - Brett Favre
 * Most Touchdown Passes, Career - Brett Favre
 * Most Pass Attempts, Career - Brett Favre
 * Most Touchdown Catches by a Tight End, Career - Tony Gonzalez
 * Most Passes Had Intercepted, Career - Brett Favre
 * Most Consecutive Seasons in One Stadium - Lambeau Field, Green Bay Packers
 * Most Yards Passing, Career - Brett Favre
 * Most Receptions by a Tight End, Career - Tony Gonzalez

Unless we also list these records, and others broken in prior season that are currently ongoing, it is biased, POV to just list the Pats one, IMO. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean one could argue that Jeff Feagles' ongoing Most Consecutive Career Games Played record is also notable too to list. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm with Zzyzx on this one. We'd also have to include Brett Favre's most consecutive starts by a quarterback. Useight (talk) 03:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, either the Pats' record is removed, or I am going to insist that you let me go through http://www.nfl.com/history/randf and post a list of every single ongoing record. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I never argued that the Pats' streak is more important than other records, merely that it is notable enough to warrant mention in the article. Maybe not in the milestone table itself, but certainly somewhere in the article. Samer (talk) 04:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, your assertion above of "no previous NFL win streak has ever extended across three seasons" is not correct. The Miami Dolphins' regular season win streak began on the last game of 1971 (beating the Packers 27-6), then they won every game of the 1972 regular season, and then they won the first game of the 1973 regular season (a 21-13 victory over the 49ers). The win streak was 16 regular season games (the NFL had only 14 games per season), extending from the 1971 to the 1973 season. Useight (talk) 16:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

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Standings templates
Why are the templates for standings used on this page? The point of templates is so it can be updated once and appear on multiple pages, so why aren't they included here too?  Black  ngold29   15:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mainly historical inertia: The format for NFL season articles, including one table for the standings, was probably first used in 2005. The separate templates for standings on the team articles was probably not first used until last year. One thing that may have to be worked out on the templates, if we use it on this article, is when teams start clinching playoff spots, where in the past we have color coded the rows and marked specific playoff seeds. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

firing of Lions GM?
Not exactly sure why this information needs to be in this season's article about the entire NFL. Seems to give undue weight to something of merely local notability. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 08:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Week 13 Browns Elimination
I don't think the Browns are eliminated yet. They make it on 20 runs out of 2,000,000 simulations:

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NFL/AFC/North/Browns.html

They will be 3rd seed at best in the North, but if the Jaguars end up being the 2nd seed in the South w/ an 8-8 record, the Steelers, Ravens, and Browns can all make the playoffs.
 * Right. As of now, IND and JAX (and also HOU) can still finish tied at 8-8. Depending on the tiebreakers, if JAX somehow captures second place in the AFC South, the Jags could then lose a wild card tiebreaker to an 8-8 Browns team based on their Week 8 head-to-head game. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Players of the Week
Why, exactly, does the article have the AFC players but not the NFC? -- Mike (Kicking222) 23:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the NFC doesn't have one? – Howard  the   Duck  05:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Standings
How are ties calculated in the PCT? Philly had 9.5 wins? I also liked how the tiebreakers were displayed on the article. – Howard  the   Duck  05:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As per NFL.com: "Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss"
 * ref label and note label are being used to help show the tiebreakers, which are listed just below the standings tables.
 * Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (PS: Would it be also appropriate to display the footnotes for eliminated teams such as the Pats w/c were affected by the tiebreakers?) – Howard  the   Duck  05:18, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

tournament bracket
whats with that "playoff" bracket and where did it come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.44.93 (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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Plaxico Burress
I think the Plaxico Burress shooting injury/arrest/release (and eventual trial and imprisonment) warrants a mention towards the bottom of the article among the subsections including Hurricane Ike, Sean Taylor, Steelers Restructuring, etc. It was major news when it happened and had a significant impact on the season (mostly, it was the catalyst for the long death sprial of the #1 NFC Seed and defending champion New York Giants' season from Thanksgiving to their one playoff appearance).

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