Talk:Ahirwal

Sourcing notable people
The following is copied from a thread on my talk page, initiated earlier today:

I have added Wikipedia pages of Notable personalities and in some cases provided references of Wikipedia itself. I could not understand what other sources are required, I mean all these pages already have references been added. Yogesh.Nuniwal (talk) 10:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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 * OK, thanks. I'll take another look at it later today. One issue is that the Ahirwal region seems not to be defined very well, so we'd need the sources to actually mention the word or we'd need to find a source that defines the area in a more certain manner. BTw, when you sign your posts you'll find it better if you type ~ (4 tildes) at the end of it. Doing that will automatically add your username and a timestamp. You could instead click on the little pen icon near the top left of the editing window but I'm not sure if that applies to everyone - there have been some changes recently. - Sitush (talk) 11:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Recent addition of Notable Personalities been removed citing the reason that there were no references been provided. There are already existing pages for most of these people, where I assume references were provided, otherwise those pages would also have been deleted?


 * Secondly, I rechecked the list of reliable sources and got re confirmed that my previous deletes about the martial history was also not in the line of Wikipedia's content removal policy. AS Ahirwal is more of a folk region, history of it is not so much documented.
 * We can not write 'Martial History' iin the language it is written it has to include words from military dictionary. @sitush  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yogesh.Nuniwal (talk • contribs) 11:14, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


 * A couple more quick general points:
 * I wish it were true that unsourced statements are always deleted but it is not. You'd definitely need to check whether the linked article has a reliable source that verifies where the person comes from. If there is no source at the linked article and you have not provided one at Ahirwal then I'm definitely going to keep removing the stuff.
 * As I said earlier, I'm aware that Ahirwal is a poorly-defined area. We cannot conduct original research and so we cannot assume a place lies with the area unless we have a source for that. As you rightly say, there isn't a lot of documentation concerning its history etc. Since we require verification of our statements, if there isn't much said elsewhere then we cannot say much in our article about the place. A map would be handy but I don't think that there is a reliable one out there: the region exists more in the minds of its inhabitants than on paper. - Sitush (talk) 11:40, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


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Obviously, some sourcing effort is required here if we are to do things like this. - Sitush (talk) 17:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing again
This edit is useless, although people keep trying to reinstate it. We do not accept Raj era sources as being reliable for articles such as this. Please stop reinstating it. - Sitush (talk) 20:30, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

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Noddychamar (talk) 07:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2022 ==

Rulers, Occupation and notable personalities are removed, how should i add the data back? Page is protected, any administrator please add it back. Noddychamar (talk) 07:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2022
Someone Removed rulers and notable eprsonalities of Ahirwal, please add it back, why are you removing info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noddychamar (talk • contribs) 03:37, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not a single source was provided when that list was added. If you have WP:RS that support that information, feel free to link to it here and reopen the request then Cannolis (talk) 07:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Here is the refrence for Rulers of Ahirwal. Finding refrences for Notable personalities and occupation will add them soon too. Noddychamar (talk) 12:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've set the template to answered again. Please do not re-open the request until you provide what prose you wish to be inserted (or in this case, reinserted), where you would like it inserted, and have all of the sources you would like used listed. Cheers! — Sirdog (talk) 19:36, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would like to insert the following data in the heading Rulers
 * ==Rulers==
 * ====Rao Ruda Singh====
 * Ahir ruler of Tijara, acquired the princely state of Ahirwal from the time mughal empire was at delcine . Ruda Singh made Bolni village, south of Haryana his headquarters, 12 km to the east. He cleared the forests and established new villages.
 * ====Rao Mitrasen Ahir====
 * Rao Mitrasen was the son of Rao Tulsiram and Chandravanshi was the Ahir ruler who ruled Rewari. Rao Raja Mitrasen fought with Muslim invaders, British, Kachwaha of Jaipur and Shekhawat Rajput etc. To take revenge on Rewari. For the purpose, in the early months of 1781, the Rajput rulers of Jaipur attacked Rewari, but they were defeated by Rao Mitrasen and suffered heavy losses from a strategic point of view.
 * ====Rao Ram Singh====
 * After Ruda Singh, his son Rao Ram Singh (Ramoji) took over the throne of Rewari. There was an atmosphere of fear and discontent in his kingdom due to bandits and robbers. Ram Singh built a fort at Bolni and deployed soldiers on it for security. He was a fearless warrior so after a long struggle he was able to neutralize the criminals. He arrested two famous bandits and handed them over to Emperor Akbar.
 * ====Rao Shahbaz Singh====
 * Rao Ram Singh was followed by his son and successor, Shahbaz Singh, who was a contemporary of Shah Jahan and Aurangzeb.
 * ====Rao Nandram Singh and Rao Man Singh====
 * Shahbaz Singh was succeeded by his eldest son, Nandram.[3][6] Aurangzeb edited the title of his jagir and awarded him the title of "Chowdhary".[11] He shifted his headquarters from Bolni to Rewari. The water collector named Nand Sagar in Rewari is still a testimony of his memory.
 * ====Rao Bal Kishan====
 * Balkishan was killed while in Aurangzeb's military service on 24 February 1739 while fighting against Nadir Shah in the Karnal War. Pleased with his bravery, Mohammad Shah gave the title of "Rao Bahadur" to Balkishan's brother Gujarmal and gave a headship of 5000. [3] By expanding the boundary of his kingdom, 52 villages of Hisar district and 52 villages of Narnaul were added to it. His jagir included major cities like Rewari, Jhajjar, Dadri, Hansi, Hisar, Kanaud, and Narnaul. In the year 1743, some more villages with mansabdari of Rs 2,00,578 were also added.
 * ====Rao Gujarmal Singh====
 * Baloch Raja of Farrukhnagar and Bahadur Singh of Ghasera, a descendant of Hathi Singh, were both fierce enemies of Rao Gujarmal. Bahadur Singh was ruling independent from the Jat king Surajmal of Bharatpur. Then Rao Gujarmal along with Surajmal gave a befitting reply to him. Gujarmal also had friendly relations with Todarmal of Neemrana, father-in-law of Bahadur Singh. In 1750, Todarmal invited Rao Gujarmal at the behest of Bahadur Singh and killed him by deceit.
 * ====Rao Bhavani Singh====
 * Rao Gujarmal's son Bhavani Singh became the king after him. Bhavani Singh proved to be lazy. Many parts of his kingdom were captured by the Baloch Nawab of Farrukhnagar, the Nawab of Jhajjar and the Raja of Jaipur and only 22 villages remained with Bhavani Singh. A chieftain of his own kingdom killed him in 1758.
 * ====Rao Tej Singh====
 * The next Raja Hira Singh was also rejected and the control of Raj Kaj was taken over by a local businessman Jauki Ram. Najaf Quli Khan, a rebel Sardar of Delhi had captured the Gokulgarh Fort. Shah Alam II, the Emperor of Delhi, along with Begum Samru, decided to punish her. On 12 March 1788, Shah Alam camped in Bhadawas and attacked Najaf Quli during the night, in which Najaf Quli was badly damaged. The effect of Begum Samru's artillery forced Quli Khan to compromise.
 * ====Rao Tula Ram====
 * thumb|right|Ahirwal King Rao Tula Ram
 * Raja Rao Tularam Singh (9 December 1825 – 1863), was an Ahir ruler, He was the chief hero of the independence revolution of 1857 in Haryana.[16] Temporary British rule took root in the southwest of the present day. The credit for overthrowing Haryana and helping the revolutionaries of Delhi with body, mind and money is given to Tularam only. After the revolution of 1857, he left India and sought the help of the rulers of Afghanistan, Iran and the Tsars of Russia for the war of independence of India. But his plan failed due to his death on 23 September 1863 at the age of 38.
 * ====Rao Gopaldev Singh====
 * Statue of Rao Gopal Dev, Rewari.jpg
 * Rao Gopaldev Singh was a 19th-century revolutionary in Rewari, who, along with his cousin Rao Tularam Singh, took on the British in the Revolution of 1857.
 * ====Rao Kishan Gopal====
 * Rao Kishan Gopal, Anuj of Rao Tularam Singh, was the commander of his army of Rewari. [6] He was also an officer in the British East India Company. He was the one who killed General Timley in the war.
 * ====Pran Sukh Yadav====
 * Pran Sukh Yadav (1802–1888) was a military commander of his time He was a participant revolutionary in the Revolution of 1857. [24] He was a close friend of Hari Singh Nalwa and the famous Punjab ruler Maharaja Ranjit Singh. In his earlier times, he fought on the side of the Sikh Khalsa army. After the death of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, he participated in the first and second British-Sikh conflicts. Due to their extreme hatred towards the Ahirwals (Alwar, Rewari, Narnaul, and Mahendragarh)
 * Sources:
 * Noddychamar (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Noddychamar (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Noddychamar (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Noddychamar (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The sourcing needs to be inline to show what is being supported by which source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The complete list of Rulers is covered in refrences should i mar same source again and again? Actually all the refrences comtain the complete list. Noddychamar (talk) 14:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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Add map of Ahirwal
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Please add Ahirwal Pradesh map 183.83.156.35 (talk) 10:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: You need to specify where you want the map to be added to the article. Shadow311 (talk) 15:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Add it to the overview section which mention geography of the region i.e (which includes parts of the districts of Alwar, Bharatpur in Rajasthan and Mahendragarh, Rewari, Gurgaon in the state of Haryana) Raosahab22 (talk) 19:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Can't you translate it into English? M.Bitton (talk) 13:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please add in this format only. Raosahab22 (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you please provide reliable sources to verify this map? We can't include unverified self-made or self-published maps. – DreamRimmer (talk) 09:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. M.Bitton (talk) 22:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)