Talk:Al-Awasim

Display title
Some ill-informed colleague tried to adjust the Display title to have both italics and the initial letter lower-cased, using the logical but futile two-template technique. That resulted in the default forced upper-case initial letter, along with italics, plus an ugly red warning. (Both templates were moved to the bottom, having no effect except moving the warning to go at the very end ... which is kind of like putting tape over the check-engine light.) In any case, the italics seemed called for, if at all, only by misunderstanding of our conventions for italics for foreign words (cf. Carrousel du Louvre, and the 1st 1871 entry in List of fires), names of long works, trains/ships/rockets, but of neither fortifications or geographic features. On the other hand, no effort was made to put the proper diacritics into the transliterated Arabic title. There seems to be little prospect of templates for that, but, which is implemented by other means than a template (a MAGIC WORD?) has fewer bells and whistles than the templates it supports, and/but covers many more cases; this is a perfect job for it. --Jerzy•t 07:03, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * No problem re the title move, but such a major content alteration as branching off the Thughur into a separate article (or at least the beginnings of one) should not be undertaken without discussion. Per WP:BRD, I am reverting these changes. As the author of this article, I looked into the terminology and came to the conclusion that the two terms are very much interchangeable, and that in the main instance, they both refer to the same area: the Arab-Byzantine border zone. Having more than one article on them is superfluous and contravenes WP:DICTIONARY. Constantine  ✍  09:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)