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External Links

I reverted JoeSmack's last edit removing the Alexis Bledel Fan website for these reasons:

  • Nowhere on WP:EL is it said that a fan site for a person can not be placed as an external link, which is probably why most articles about celebrities have them.
  • It is however said that "sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews" should be added, which is exactly what Alexis Bledel Fan, the most complete Alexis Bledel resource on Internet is. I would like to add that I have no affiliation whatsoever with the Alexis Bledel Fan website.

Please do not remove the link again. Happy Evil Dude 13:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Saying most celebrity articles have them doesn't make them an appropriate EL (e.g. two wrongs don't make a right). In WP:EL:
(Links normally to be avoided): Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: it should be a simple exercise to show how the link is directly and symmetrically related to the article's subject. This means that there is both a relation from the website to the subject of the article, and a relation from the subject of the article to the website. For example, the officially sanctioned online site of a rock band has a direct and symmetric relationship to that rock band, and thus should be linked from the rock band's Wikipedia article. An alternative site run by fans is not symmetrically related to the rock band, as the rock band has only indirect connections with that site.
It is a tertiary source and not as reliable as the secondary and primary sources it draws upon (WP:RS). Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links (WP:NOT); if they are used they need to provide relevant and non-trivial information.
...you can see it from my contributions, but I remove linkspam a whole ton. A fansite is linkspam, no matter how many times it is repeated in other articles. I will leave it to ya'll to remove it if ya'll see fit (which I hope I have demonstrated). Cheers. JoeSmack Talk 16:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Birth Year

I just changed her birth year to 1982, because so all the major sites about her say. IMDB says 1981, but we know that IMDB can be wrong of course. If anybody knows any better, please do correct! (Ok, this was kind of useless to say) Lazarus Long 20:41, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Texas birth records (ancestry.com) confirm the year of 1981. Questors 15:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

images copyright

Do we have permission to use the recently added promotion photos? If so, such info should be added to the Image info pages. Maver1ck 04:40, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Presumably the whole point of promo photos is for them to be seen as much as possible to promote the show and actors, therefore I categorized Alexis and Lauren.jpg as Promotional.

delete?

should the information for sin city be deleted? The page is meant to be for information for Alexis Bledel not Sin City, if you wanted that you could go to the Sin City page and get it. -- Zapacna 16 August 2005

I think that in that case the info on Gilmore Girls should be removed as well. But I think both sections could stay, since they seem to be about those two productions from an Alexis Bledel perspective so to speak. Maver1ck 05:53, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I added that she is multiracial....

Germany is in Europe which means she is also of european descent which means she is multiracial right? correct me if i'm wrong.--Kyla 03:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


      • She isn't "multiracial", her mother is Caucasian as well as her father. Over 90% of people from Argentina are Caucasian. A lot of countries in South America are made up completely of descendants of European immigrants. **

Hispanic and Latino is not a race, these terms refer to culture not race. In other words you can't be multiracial if both of your parents are white, last time I checked.--4.250.0.129 14:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes, though, it is counted as a separate race. Technically, people of Spanish origin are Caucasian, but many people from Central and South America (natives) do not qualify as such. Bledel's father being Argentine doesn't make him of a different race. Argentina also has large German, French, and Polish populations, with an immense Italian population. Michael 01:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
This is even simpler then all those X-American ones. If you have a source that calls her multiracial or biracial or anything like that, we may call her that. If not, not. Mad Jack 04:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Indeed...And further, never have I seen a source refer to her as such. Michael 06:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
In a recent TV interview (could be Letterman or Craig Ferguson), she actually said that she was indeed LATINO and that "Latinos come in all different races..."

font changes

According to the first sentence of the Manual of Style:

This Manual of Style has the simple purpose of making things easy to read by following a consistent format

fonts should remain uniform and consistent. Please do not change the font on a particular article just to set the article apart from the rest. If you feel that Times New Roman is a better font for the entire wiki then please either create your own skin or petition Wikipedia to get the default skin to display in this font. Dismas|(talk) 15:36, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

soy el eshe y estoy loco por ti, se que tu hablas español asi que si les esto hay gente que te entrega todo y no lo rechases disculpa que me este desaogando con tigo pero estoy dolido, confundido y no se que estoy haciendo. si de algo te sirve soy de morelia michoacan tq1b

    • Please note that this is the English wiki, and as such I would appreciate it if you'd use English. Or at least if you're going to fake Spanish, fake it good.

Too Many Wiki Links to Gilmore Girls

See: Wikipedia:Make only links relevant to the context#What should not be linked

Not a child actor

Vizcarra, I removed the Child Actor tag again. The only "acting" she did as a child was as an uncredited extra in one movie, according to the sources I've been checking. This does not qualify her as a child actress. Extras in movies are not considered actors, as I understand it, assuming all they do is walk through or sit in a chair in the background of a scene. --24.19.173.27 23:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC) (oops, I am --Xyzzyplugh 00:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC) and somehow managed to not be signed in during that edit)

Her mother's ancestry

Does anyone have a good source for what her maternal ancestry is (and I don't mean the IMDB or any of the websites that copy us - something like an interview would be good)? It seems clear that her mother was born in Mexico to American parents, but I've heard that she is anywhere from German to Irish to French (probably because of her surname, "Dozier") descent. JackO'Lantern 01:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I've hear her mother is German and French, but no, I do not have a source. Michael 05:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Native language

Is the phrase, "Her native language is Spanish," a bit misleading here? According to the Wikipedia article on the subject of "native language," a person can speak more than one language as a native, provided that the language was learned "without formal instruction, such as through cultural immersion before puberty." Did she grow up in the US? If she learned English while attending grammar school in the US, that would fall under cultural immersion rather than formal instruction. As it now reads, it seems to imply she speaks only Spanish as a native. It would be better to expand the sentence to something along the lines of: "She speaks both Spanish and English fluently, having grown up speaking Spanish at home and English outside of the home." - MarioX19 2006.04.26-12:13GMT.

She grew up speaking Spanish, then learn English when her parents moved to the US, this is why she doesn't speak with a pure American accent.

In a recent interview she said she learned English when she started kindergarten. I would say she grew up speaking English as well. And she sounds pretty American to me. If you learn a language from the age of five and speak it fluently, its HIGHLY unlikely you'd have a foreign accent.

I really don't hear much of what could be perceived as an accent... Michael 05:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't either, but maybe she just doesn't have any particular American accent. It's American, but maybe you can't peg it to Texas or California or any other particular state. --Coryma 13:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Citation and reference work needed

Much of the information I tagged with the {{citeneeded}} template is information I've run across before (from television interviews, etc). I know much of this information comes from reliable sources. Therefore, I think we should make an effort to find those sources and include them. -- backburner001 16:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

There was a reference in a previous version that stated the following (which I tagged with the {{citeneeded}} template):
Until recently she was dating actor Milo Ventimiglia, who played one of her boyfriends, Jess, on Gilmore Girls; they split after a 5 year relationship.
It was then changed to the following:
As far as the public knows (the couple is very private), she is dating actor Milo Ventimiglia, who played one of her boyfriends, Jess, on Gilmore Girls; they began dating in 2002.
I've re-tagged this statement because a citation is still needed for the reference that the two were (or are) dating. The reference stating that they broke up should be included (if true) and cited as well. I've removed the part of the sentence which states: "As far as the public knows (the couple is very private)" for two reasons.
  1. Anything written in Wikipedia, if cited, already reflects what the public knows.
  2. Notions of the couple being very private is a subtle POV statement that needs to be re-written (if included again). -- backburner001 16:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • the relationship has been written about in various interviews (of both Milo and Alexis) in many teen, women's, and entertainment magazines over the years.....


  • Sigh.... another article full of IMDB citations... As I did for Jena Malone, I'll soon use real sources to cite this article - probably today. Mad Jack 18:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

I erased the new trivia section. It was to long, contained info already in the article and was completely unsourced. Relevant information should be inserted under appropriate heading in the article as prose, not as a list, and should preferably be properly sourced. - Duribald 21:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hispanic

About some recent edits: Alexis is Hispanic. Argentina and Mexico are Hispanic countries, and, more importantly, her first language is Spanish. The Hispanic actors category should therefore stand. However, her ethnicity does not not belong in the info box, where someone tried to put it. -Duribald 06:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Ronbo76 06:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Disagree; read my message to User Talk:Ronbo76 called "Hispanics." Acalamari 16:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The rest is a continued discussion from what was originally on Ronbo76's Talk Page.

  • By that meaning then, anyone who is slightly of Hispanic descent could claim to be Hispanic. For someone to be considered Hispanic, European/European-American, or Black, they have to have majority-origin. For someone to say they're White, for example. they would have to be mostly of that origin. If the only White they have in them is from a Grandparent, that doesn't make them White. If Alexis Bledel's racial makeup is 50-50, then she is bi-racial, not Hispanic or White. If her origin is 66-34 (Hispanic higher) that would classify her as Hispanic. Raquel Welch, who you mentioned, I read has an Irish-descent parent, meaning, by her own admission, she is bi-racial. I am not convinced exactly what race Alexis Bledel is, which is why I removed the category. I assure you this is discussion is not out of prejudice, it's because I'm trying to fix what seems to me like a contradiction between two articles. Acalamari 17:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Hang on a second...the source for Alexis Bledel's mother being Mexican comes from the IMDb. Jack O'Lantern told me that IMDb sources are unreliable. If so, why is this being used as source? How do we know her mother is Mexican then? This source contradicts what Jack O'Lantern told me. Acalamari 19:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Teen People Online Alexis Bledel. In the paragraph called, HABLA ESPAÑOL, it states: "Alexis's first language is Spanish. Her mom is from Mexico and her dad was born in Argentina." That would make her Hispanic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Morenooso (talk • contribs) 20:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
In that case, why wasn't this used as a source instead? Also, that page says "2002," it is probably out of date. Acalamari 21:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Stupid me; people can't change their birthplace. Never mind about the out of date thing. Alexis Bledel's mother won't have changed her birthplace. Acalamari 21:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Since when "hispanic" is a race? Hispanic is a culture, only people from the US think "hispanic" is a race, and they seem to be the only ones who care about who's "hispanic" or not. I'm from Argentina and we'd never describe ourselves as "hispanic". Alexis Bledel is white, just like 90% of Argentine people are. She looks just like any other Argentine. Nat91 20:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

She is definitely not white. Hispanic is used as a more inclusive term of mixed races. In this case, Alexis is of Mexican and Argentinian races; hence, the term Hispanic is used. Ronbo76 20:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Mexican and Argentinian races? Look, you're from the US so you seem to have a US-point of view about this. "Hispanic" is a culture that means "from Spain", it's not a race. I'm from Argentina of European descent, so I'm white. I have no knowledge of "hispanic" being a race. How would my country handle demographics then if we were all of "hispanic race"? Nat91 20:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
It also depends what group of Mexicans Alexis Bledel's mother comes from. If her mother is from the white minority (which is roughly 9% of Mexico's population), then her mother isn't Hispanic (being a white, black, or Asian born in a Spanish-speaking country doesn't make someone Hispanic. It's their ancestry that counts). If her mother comes from the remaining 89% of the population, then I agree that her mother is Hispanic. Acalamari 19:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
White Mexicans are just as Hispanic as any other group.. Hispanic, as has been explained over and over again is a cultural/linguistic category, not a racial one. Spanish people are Hispanic - and white. Argentinians are Hispanics - and white. Uruguayans are Hispanic - and white. -Duribald 19:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Nat91 is right. Hispanic is NOT a race. It is a cultural and linguistic category, refering to Spanish-speaking cultures and people from those cultures. Most Hispanics in the USA are of a mixed red-white background, which is why many Americans tend to identify it as a look and therefore a race. Hispanics, though, come in all shapes, sizes and colours. Argentinians and Uruguyans are usually white, Bolivians usually red and so on. And, hey, Spanish people tend to be white to, by the way. (Besides - there are no races biologically speaking.) Alexis is Hispanic because her parents are from Hispanic countries and Spanish is her first language. Racially she belongs to the category of cutie pies... ;-) -Duribald 22:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

MySpace

Is the MySpace page recently added real? Is there independent confirmation that it's hers? I mean, she's said she doesn't have a computer and doesn't follow any websites about herself. -Duribald 23:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed the MySpace page because there is no confirmation that it is Alexis' own creation, which it claims to be. -Duribald 22:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Eye Colour

Are Alexis' eyes naturally that striking blue or does she wear coloured contact lenses like Paris hilton? From photographs I've seen of her, her eyes look a lot less artificial than Hilton's. Nukleoptra 17:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe Alexis Bledel's eyes are naturally blue. Acalamari 19:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Spanish-language interviews?

Are there any good Spanish-language video interviews to which we could link? Lawikitejana 23:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I wish I knew. Goodness, she's so fluent in English you'd never know such things. (Oddly, she spoke "very little" Spanish on this one episode I just watched.) OneWeirdDude (talk) 02:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The Good Guy

The hyperlink to the article for the Good Guy by Dean Koontz should be removed since the movie she's in is not based on the novel at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.100.216.187 (talk) 22:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Done! -Duribald (talk) 11:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Adopted Younger Sister?

This isn't true is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.108.182 (talk) 02:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Alexis Bledel video

Alexis speaks spanish in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbK5wphGSjo

From 6:43 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.177.219.57 (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Untitled

Old discussions found in the archive.

Check out her new movie at http://www.theamericanfilmcompany.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surf4fun101 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Alexis Catholic?

I was wondering if she could be classified as a Catholic, since there's a lot of sources that state she is indeed.

http://www.lycos.com/info/alexis-bledel.html

The source you cite just copies an old version of this Wikipedia article. If there's a reliable source that she's Catholic, that could certainly be added. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 14:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The Ballad of G.I. Joe

I have a question. According to imdb, The Ballad of G.I. Joe is a short, comedy spoof on G.I. Joe or the recent movie G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra. I know it's listed on imdb under the actress's filmography, but should it be separate from her other works? I don't mind either way, but I have added a clarification so it doesn't seem like it's just a film. The short is called The Ballad of G.I. Joe by Cha-Ching Pictures. Is it better to just write "Short Film" or "Short Film (Spoof)." I put "Short." Her other films Life is Short and DysEnchanted is ten minutes and eight minutes long, receptively, and this one is under four minutes. Input is appreciated. CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 19:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that archive has a ton of discussion about race...

The general conclusion seemed to be that "Hispanic" was not a race, even if she has the looks of a Northern European...--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 17:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hispanic/Latino is an ethnic group... to say that it is a culture is ridiculous because look at all the different Latino cultures, i.e., Dominican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Costa Rican, Mexican, you get my drift. Each of these Latino countries has its own distinct culture. White, Black, Asian are races; because of how various lands were conquered, Latinos, at least in the Caribbean, result from the mixing of Spaniards who landed on Hispanola, the slaves that were brought in, and of course, the natives that were already inhabiting the island. To say that Latino/Hispanic is a culture is insulting because it groups together various distinct cultures under one heading. Ever fill out an employment application? Most nowadays have a race section and one also for ethnic group; Hispanic people always fall under ethnic group and not race because Hispanic people resulted from the mixing of races hundreds of years ago.Bronx bomber07 02:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Bronx Bomber and Proud Latina.

Ethinicity or culture... It's pretty much two words for about the same thing. Hispanic simply means Spanish in origin. There's no implication that all cultures rooted in Spanish culture and language are the same. Nor is there any racial implication of any kind. -Duribald 16:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


THe ethnic group would be Mestizos... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.132.236.50 (talk) 00:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Since there's a note in the article that says "Do not change ethnicity/nationality without talk page discussion " I thought I'd just note here that I'm adding info to the article based on this quote by Bledel (“My father’s family is Danish and migrated to Argentina.”). A Parade Magazine interview seems a reliable enough source - [1]. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 08:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The "do not change" is mainly aimed at people who put in expressions like "white Mexican" and other phrases meant to show that Alexis is not "really" Hispanic. Correct, unbiased material that is sourced is always welcome. -Duribald (talk) 15:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

She refers to herself as hispanic here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7luVPLAkJ9U&feature=related I'm inclined to think we should let people define themselves — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.193.84.186 (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Alexis's Ethnic Background

She refers to herself as hispanic here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7luVPLAkJ9U&feature=related I'm inclined to think we should let people define themselves — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.193.84.186 (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

    • I added the background information on Alexis Bledel's mother. Her last name is Dozier. See my note below:

Knowing many people who are "Mexican", but who's whole families recently came from Spain or other European countries, I consider Alexis Bledel, white European, and not Mestizo, and therefore NOT Hispanic either, though her mother's nationality was Mexican. I removed the Hispanic Americans category since the term Hispanic (in terms of race/ethnicity), in describing a person's ancestry and not language, is used interchangeably with Latino (not to be confused with Latin - which refers to Spain, Italy, France, etc.), and has to do with someone of mixed ethnicity - Spanish (European) mixed with Native or Native and African. In addition, the fact is that Alexis Bledel's mother's ethnicity is actually French and German. The last name DOZIER is a Huguenot surname. I left the Mexican American category, which I think is sufficient. But the actress who's father is white Argentinian (Euro.) father (Danish background) and a mother who is French and German, obviously isn't Hispanic. The Mexican American category is enough to establish that cultural background. Also, other actors who are from Spain are considered Spanish, NOT Hispanic. Today, that term refers to Spanish language and various cultures, but it's not used to describe race for whites who speak Spanish. Neither my friend born in Chile (with Spanish parents - and a Galician mother), or my Spanish friend consider themselves Hispanic (they use Spanish or white, and hispanic to refer to language/culture).

See Hispanic and also her interview with David Letterman on May 25, 2007 (see [2])where she talks about her French heritage on her mother's side.
Her mother is French and German, NOT Hispanic. That means she's not Hispanic. Hope that's clear enough.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 09:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

See my links. It's not original research. How could i have made this up? She is NOT Hispanic. Her mother is French and German, who was raised in Mexico. I'd say that belongs in her personal life section. There is no reason to remove this. You have not given a good reason to do so. I left the Mexican American category because it fits (nationality wise). However, she is Argentinian of Danish ancestry and French and German. She is not mestizo. She is European, so her biography should reflect that. --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The Hispanic article that you refer to clearly contradicts what you're saying altogether, doesn't it? Bledel is Spanish speaking since birth and her parents (although not their ancestors) are both from Spanish speaking cultures. That's Hispanic according to the article. Mestizo does not mean Hispanic. Mestizo is genetic background, Hispanic is cultural/linguistic. -Duribald (talk) 00:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Hispanic refers to the culture that derives from Spain, as you said, so that's not contradictory. In terms of RACE, however, people do NOT use Hispanic/Latino (not use the same as Latin) to people from Spain or other non-mestizos of countries like Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, etc. You can be Latin (from Spain, France, Italy, Portugues - that's Iberian and not Hispanic culture at all) and NOT be Hispanic. If your family's ancestry is recently from Spain, and you know your background is not mixed with native or african ancestry, your'e NOT hispanic. As I said before, my friend is from Chile, but her family is Spanish. They are Spaniards (mother has Celtic ancestry, but from Spain), and white Europeans. She calls herself Spanish or European, NOT hispanic. That's just how people have been using the terms for race. I also have a friend who's father is from Guadalajara, but his recent ancestors come from Spain. He is white Mexican, and not Hispanic, but he is Mexican. I left Mexican American as a category because her mother is Mexican by nationality.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 18:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

  • It sounds to me like you're doing a lot of original research here. I concur with Duribald, and as such am readding the category. Please don't remove it without developing consensus to do so at this talkpage. UA 19:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

It is common knowledge that Alexis Bledel's mother is French and German. How is someone who is French, German and Danish HISPANIC? Mexican American is fine, because that's her NATIONALITY. Also, in fact, someone can even be Mexican and from Spain, and not be Hispanic in terms of race. I only added the video clip information because it was mentioned earlier. The actress had said that her father is Danish. I am asking for someone to mediate. I think it's ridiculous to keep this category up when she is not Hispanic.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 19:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Being "hispanic" comes from your parents, not your ancestors, as Duribald points out above. Please read WP:OR and WP:CONSENSUS, as policy is not on your side here. You've made a mess of several lists with this campaign of yours, and I don't have the time to fix it, but this article is on my watchlist, and I'll not let you simply ramrod your changes through without developing consensus for them here. UA 19:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

First of all, Alexis Bledel's father's parents are DANISH - FULLY. Therefore his nationality is Argentinian, but he is European. Argentinians are either native, white or mixed. He is Danish. Her mother is Spanish (race=white European), French and German. There is no native Mexcian ancestry. So, please explain to me how Alexis Bledel is Hispanic? Again, the term Hispanic as a race doesn't refer to Spaniards, just culture/language. I've only been fixing people's mistakes. My friends are Spanish, as in from Spain. They are classified as White, not hispanic. The category refers to race not culture, so Hispanic-American is incorrect for Spaniards, or people who don't fit the criteria through race. Notice how I left Mexican-American. However, I will leave the category as is until there is significant proof for her mother's background. There really was no need to be that rude. However, please read the discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hispanic#Are_Spanish_people_.22Hispanic.22.3F To quote this user:

Hispanic as is understood by the overwhelming majority of people in the US and many other countries (including use in the media, police, health care institutions, employers etc) is equivalent of Mestizo and indeed treated as a race. To deny it is to live in other world. The technical census definition that nobody uses is completely out of sync with how the word has evolved and is used in the real world. Spaniards are Europeans by race and culture and they don't fit anymore into that Hispanic label. As it has been mentioned previously, they are much more related in culture/race to other Southern Europeans than to "Hispanics". Are Italians or the Southern French Hispanics also? No way a Mexican Mestizo could be considered from the same ethnicity than an ethnic Spaniard/Italian/Southern French. -Kg--81.184.133.122 (talk) 19:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


Hispanic-American is a term of race that refers to MESTIZOS, not white Europeans. So people are free to discuss, but I only know by how race is classified in this country and Europe, and how my friends identify themselves based on race. Though there are some Spaniards who have Moorish blood, for most, it is so long ago, that it doesn't make up more that much of a percentage in terms of race. Again, that is some. Most Spanish people are white Europeans.

If you continue to add Hispanic-American categories to Spanish actors, I will be forced to report it. Already, on other actor pages, there was agreement on leaving that category out. Spaniards don't identify as Hispanic.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

  • What you describe above is the definition of original research. Bledel isn't a Spaniard, and she's not European. Please desist your campaign.UA 15:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Bledel's mother isn't a Spaniard but a Mexican National of Spanish, German and French background. Second of all, I don't have a campaign. The example I gave above was from a DISCUSSION on Wikipedia to show you how others perceive the definition of Hispanic. That is how the U.S. Census uses the term, and so do other countries. I was correcting misinformation. The fact is you obviously don't understand the concept of Hispanic as a race. It is used in the United States and elsewhere around the world to refer to Mestizos as a race. The term is used differently for culture. You should quit making assumptions about people. I'm leaving things as they are, and others can chime in. However, I will continue to remove other Spanish, Argentinians and other Central Americans who are European and recent immigrants. You can leave the country they are from as a nationality, but Hispanic-American is used for race and should not be used to describe white immigrants.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 16:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

  • No one in this discussion agrees with you. So, in this article, your attempts to remove it will be summarily reverted. This is the last I will post to you on this talkpage regarding this matter. UA 16:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

As you're the ONLY one responding, you don't speak for ALL. However, I'm not reverting anything, just so you know. Apparently you didn't bother to read that I had already said that in my response. And using words like "summarily" doesn't make one sound more intelligent either. Anyone else is free to make their opinion heard. Apparently you don't seem to think there are white Argentinians or white Mexicans who are predominantly Spanish and not native, and who may or may not be blonde. And you also don't seem to understand the concept of Race vs. Nationality. But, that isn't really my problem. The American Census and majority of people around the world and United States know that "Hispanic" as a Race refers to mestizos not people who are Spanish. Alexis Bledel's imdb biography also says her mother is Spanish, French, and German, and her father is Danish-Argentinian. I'm just putting up this post for anyone who cares to comment or do further research. --CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 01:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Duribald also contradicted you. As for IMDB, it is user-editable, which is why it's not a reliable source. UA 01:40, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm Europe (sorry my english) but geography is not a opinion. First: America is a continet and not a nation so Brasilian are American, US are American etc. Second: South-American people (Brazilian, Argentine, Uruguay etc) are multi-race: some are white, some black, some native, some mestitoz, some chinese discendent etc, exactly like US citizens. Summarize: All american nations are multi-race like US. Why USA people think they are white and the rest of the continet are metizos? It's totally fake and absurd. And hispanic is not a race, look wikipedia hispanic or latino and US classification, most of hispanic are white. So, Alexis is US citizen with hispanic (argentine-mexican) discendent. She said I want a role like latina but there are many stereotype (read her interview) so she recognizes herself as hispanic. AscoltaTrascrizione fonetica Novità! Fai clic sulle parole riportate sopra per visualizzare le traduzioni alternative. Elimina Dizionario — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.132.22.174 (talk) 07:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Model?

I removed the mention of modelling in the lead. Also changed sentence on her modelling in the "Career" section. She is not noted as a model. --BweeB (talk) 00:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 July 2012

Hello,

There seems to be an omission of one of Ms. Bledel's relationships, as according to this link http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/2012/06/how-mad-men-star-vincent-kartheiser-wooed-alexis-bledel.html she dated British male model John Paul for some substantial amount of time about 2009.

Lordsoya (talk) 17:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Lots of people date lots of people. I fail to see why every relationship need be mentioned in an encyclopedia entry, even if it is reliably sourced (and I admit I'm unfamiliar with Life and Style). Rivertorch (talk) 05:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Someone should add that the pronunciation of her surname is /bləˈdɛl/.

Is there a source? All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Parents' heritage

This is not germane to this article in any way, and does not belong. It simply clutters up the initial phase of the main article, and it's not even remotely related to why she's notable. Please don't reinsert random facts about the ethnic heritage of her parents. UA 02:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Why is it a "random fact" that her father is Danish? Other actors have their heritage included in their biographies. I didn't add German. I added ONLY Danish. Unless it was accidentally added. I used your previous EDIT PAGE. Again, NOT changing anything, but I wanted to clarify. Apparently, there is a misunderstanding. I wasn't using another Wikipedia user's definition of the the term "Hispanic" as a SOURCE. I was only "putting it out there" so-to-speak in the DISCUSSION section. This is the place for discussion, is it not? And Duribald didn't contradict me. I clarified my position by stating that Hispanic in the article was in reference to culture/language - EXACTLY what Duribald said. I was stating that in this country and in Europe, HISPANIC is a term used to describe race, for Mestizos. Hispanic-American is a category for ethnicity. As is Irish-American, Danish-American, etc. Hispanic is obviously a Race in this case. But again, I'm WILL NOT be making any category changes without others' agreement. Others can decide for themselves. I hope you understand that I put someone else's input on the race issue for discussion ONLY, not as an actual reference. Discussion is supposed to bring people to a consensus. So the topic is open, and we'll leave things as they are until further discussion and/or more references. If we know for sure Alexis Bledel's mother is Spanish (from Spain) and French-German and not just 1/4 Spanish or something, then she's European and NOT Hispanic. Since there's no way to know this, we'll assume her family aren't recently from Spain. So it's agreed to leave things as they are until otherwise. I only re-added the information about her Danish-Argentinian father because it was stated in Parade magazine that her father's parents were Danish immigrants - so he's European, and an Argentinian national, not a native. I think that's perfectly fair. I don't expect a response from you, but I hope you read this and see that I'm not going to change the category.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 02:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, why is it irrelevant? Her father isn't an Argentinian native, but Danish-Argentinian. I think it is significant that her grandparents emigrated to Argentina. If you go by the logic that it's not "relevant", then you should apply it to every notable person on Wikipedia. There are tons of actors who's ethnic backgrounds are listed on their page. I mean, it is a biographical page. How is it not significant? When it's put under Personal life, it's significant. Just as a British citizen's entire parentage being actually Irish having some significance to who they are. I mentioned before, but that's like saying an American/British person who's parents are either American/British/some European being born in Korea and being classified as Korean. No, his nationality is Korean, but he is British-Korean, or something. I don't understand how NNDB, IMDB have her background mentioned, but some people refuse to include important heritage in a biographical profile. Cher, for instance, is only part Cherokee, but people seem to think she's full. She's not. She's pretty much white - but she's Cherokee, French and Armenian. What about other American actors who's parentage is revealed in magazine articles, so it's included on Wikipedia. I mean, if the magazine is reliable, it's public knowledge, the source is included/properly referenced, I don't see why background information is deleted. If it's random, like "Demi Moore likes poodles" - here's a "source" - then YES, that should be deleted. Biographies include ethnic backgrounds and place of birth, as well as some family information. I have never read an encyclopedic article that DID NOT include these things. Do you care to explain why Wikipedia allows ethnic clarity on some actors/notable people and NOT others? Seems illogical to me. I'd like for other people to voice their opinions to so I get an idea of what others think. Examples would be helpful for future Wikipedia page edits. Thanks.--CreativeSoul7981 (talk) 02:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

  • TL;DR. It's irrelevant, because it doesn't deal with anything remotely related to why she is notable, as well as the fact that it doesn't matter that her grandparents were immigrants. It clutters the initial portions of the article, and hinders the flow. I'm not going to converse with you further on this, as you post textwalls of the same information over and over and over and over. I'm interested in improving this article, not in whatever ethnic/genetic/parentage crusade you've embarked upon. Your edits, as they currently stand, are not improving the article in any way. UA 02:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

CreativeSoul7981 & Unitanode: I just thought I’d add some outer perspective here, so please neither of you bite my head off :). I find the article as it currently is to be quite misleading in its mention of Ms. Bledel’s ethnic heritage/parentage. After first reading this article I was left strongly under the impression that Bledel’s parents are of ethnic Mexican and Argentinean descent. This wasn’t/isn’t helped at all by the removal of the French/German American categories at the bottom of the page, courtesy of user: FILWISE. Although I agree with UA in saying that Bledel's heritage doesn’t relate to her notability, that still doesn’t mean it shouldn't be added to her biography, particularly when it can be used to clear up any misconceptions that can (and in my case obviously did) arise from reading the article in its current state. If I, as a random unbiased reader was mislead, I dare say others too shall possibly be left misinformed. UA, I don’t see why you’re so against the idea of adding a diminutive elucidatory fragment of information pertaining to Bledel’s ethnic heritage; it seems a little trivial to me. Also, I believe your use of the TL;DR link is inappropriate/incorrect. Please enlighten me if I misread Wikipedia’s definition, but, it seems TL;DR pertains to sentences like the one I italicised/bolded. TL;DR applies to the way in which things are phrased, not the information they provide. What you find “irrelevant” in an article and what others find “irrelevant” in an article is, ironically enough, completely irrelevant. What matters is facts. To determine what is relevant or not, one could look at the structure of other articles. The main argument here seems to relate to the inclusion of at very most one elucidatory sentence about her parents ethnicities, neither CreativeSoul7981 nor Unitanode seem to be able to agree. I, in my opinion, propose that the information be added on the grounds that said information seems to be both cited and factually correct and gives an insight into her family life/origins (-different ethnicities sometimes = different home lives/cultures, etc) (just my opinion, though). Other biographies do usually give mention to ethnicity, particularly for those as ambiguous as Bledel's is made out to be. Better there be just one sentence of “too much/irrelevant” information than the leaving out of what is in at least two people’s opinion an important fact that needs to be mentioned/something that is mentioned in many(most?) other biographies. Please don't take my opinion personal either, I am only trying to improve the article, just as you both are trying to do. Peace, Gilly of III —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.237.238 (talk) 14:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Information in Wikipedia biographies does not have to relate to why the subject is notable, otherwise most of the "personal life" section would have to be removed, as would, incidentally, her parents' nationalities, and names, not to mention Beldel's own birthplace, and birthdate as well - none of these things have anything to do with why she is famous. The information about her father being of Danish ancestry is about as relevant as her father being Argentinian. I don't see any reason for deleting it. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 00:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Just for the record, Hispanic is NOT a race, and most of USA hispanic-people are white (53% in USA, 90% in Urguay, 90% in Argentina etc). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans USA have 74% of withe people because there are 20% and more of white hispanic people (whithout hispanic white USA people would be much lower, at 50% like Brazil so..). I encourage everyone to buy a ticket and go to Brazil or Argentina or Uruguay, and watch the people..because there are so much misunderstanding in USA about other American couthries. (sorry for my english) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.31.191.191 (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

An article I found from Latina Magazine (dated May 2004), states that her mother was raised in Mexico from age 8, so it's clear that her mother wasn't born in Mexico. Can be seen here. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 16:59, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Interesting, her paternal grandfather, Enrique Bledel, was quite notable in business - there's an obituary of him here. He was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina. His father, Einar Rudolf Dons-Blaedel Heise, was Danish. His mother, Elena Maria Huus, was evidently already born in Argentina. Her parents were also Danish. The surname Bledel originates with distant German ancestry. There's a detailed genealogy of Bledel's paternal grandfather here. Bledel's paternal grandmother, born Jean Campbell, was American, originally from New York. Her parents were Walter Norman Campbell and Irene Slater (genealogy of the Bledel family that mentions Bledel's grandmother here). Bledel's father was born in Argentina and presumably raised there. So, if the question was whether Bledel has any "Hispanic" ancestry (i.e. tracing back to a Spanish-speaking country), the answer is almost certainly "no". Her father, grandfather, and great-grandmother were born in Argentina, but were / are not of Hispanic descent. Of course, they could be considered "Latino" in other contexts, through upbringing/culture/citizenship, but not through descent. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 16:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

What the hell is all of this? The US census definition of Hispanic is the same as Latino is the same as Spanish- they are all one damn category. Hispanic/Latino does not mean they have to be of Spanish descent. She is Hispanic by the census definition, she considers herself Latina therefore she most likely puts "White Hispanic" on her census forms. You can be entirely of Polish descent but if you were born in a Spanish-speaking country or your father was born there or you have any tangential connection to a Spanish-speaking country like your Portuguese ancestors once having lived under the Spanish crown then you are Hispanic. The category is extremely loose and I'm not sure why there is all this wrangling over whether she fits your or their individual definition of Hispanic/Latino. Your opinion does not matter, the only thing that matters is the US census definition.64.189.66.149 (talk) 01:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't necessarily think Mitt Romney or his father George Romney (who was born in Mexico) check or checked "Hispanic" on the census. Especially since George never spoke Spanish. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Life partner?

Being engaged to Vincent Kartheiser means they are already life partners- therefore i cannot understand why this has been removed from the infobox.

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 06:42, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Did you read the article you linked to? Being engaged is not synonymous with life partnership. A source would have to say that term or that they have lived together for some time. But if they are engaged to be married then why not just wait till they are married to add "spouse"? --Musdan77 (talk) 06:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
The article clearly says "a romantic or otherwise very close friend for life...married or unmarried". Besides, such an edit hasn't been reverted from pages such as Hayden Christensen, Leighton Meester and Candice Accola put forward by more experienced users. Or will you remove those too? :S Miss.Indecisive (talk) 08:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
First, in that quote it says, "for life". Do we know how long they've been together? Has it been been even a year? We don't know from the source given. Second, the paragraph that the quote comes from is not cited, so that's not a good reference. The main thing is, if something in an article (especially a WP:BLP) is not properly sourced, it is subject to removal. --Musdan77 (talk) 20:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough, but you seemed to have neglected the latter half of my comment- what of Hayden Christensen and the others who have the same format yet sources do not justify they are 'life partners'? Particularly Leighton Meester who has only been with Adam Brody for about a year.
Withal, I see your point but I don't understand the inconsistencies- on one page 'partner' can apply to engaged couples (as they will inevitably be life partners) whilst on another it only applies if they are 'domestic partners'. It seems you misunderstood- i meant in the article about 'life partners' not in an article detailing Alexis' relationship with Vincent.
Miss.Indecisive (talk) 01:17, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I understood what you meant. I don't know why you would think that. Anyway, this is one of those things on Wikipedia where there's not an exact definition (how many years together is a life partner?). So, many experienced editors won't make this kind of thing a high priority, and will just let it go. I could have tried to edit those you mentioned, but since they're not on my watchlist, I don't really care. By the way, engaged couples are not inevitable to become life partners. There are many times when people who are engaged break up before getting married, and we at WP can't assume things about the future (again, especially BLPs). --Musdan77 (talk) 02:08, 28 January 2014 (UTC)


Fair enough.

Cheers,

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Dad's job

Why the info on her mom's career but not her dad's?--Aichik (talk) 18:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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