Talk:Alicia Keys/Archive 2

Category: African American...
She is not an African American. Her father is a Jamaican (Afro-Caribbean, NOT African American) and her mother is mixed with several European ethnicities. Afro-Caribbeans and African Americans are very different from each other culturally, so they cannot be lumped together. The same goes for recent African immigrants and immigrants from other parts of the world (e.g. South America) who are of African ancestry, and their children. I'm going to remove her from the African American category because of this. ElijahTM (talk) 09:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * this is an enormous nonsense. Caribbeans are people born in America, not in Asia. and there isn't a country called America, but there is a country called United States of America.213.140.17.100 (talk) 22:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with what the person is saying. African American is a term for ethnicity, not race. If her father is of Jamaican descent, then she's automatically Jamaican-American because that is her ethnicity.65.3.243.178 (talk) 22:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me? That statement of yours makes no sense at all. When did I even mention Asia in my comment? Are you just trying to flame me? That's all it seems your comment was for. Go waste your time somewhere else, the only nonsense here is your post. ElijahTM (talk) 22:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

What the hell, what would we call her if we wanted to say she was black? I'm talking about her race. id say thats rude84.216.45.33 (talk) 22:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Alica Keys was born in the USA, that automatically makes her African-American, in addition to her multi racial/ethnic heritage. Just because her father is non-American descent doesn't negate the fact she was born here. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  06:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

No one is saying that having a father of African descent wouldn't make you an African-American. If you take a very broad look at that statement, it's easy to believe that. Ethnicity isn't blood though. It's having descendants who shared a common experience. For African-American's, that included slavery (in the U.S. - mostly in the south) and segregation. Jamaican's suffered discrimination too, but it was independent and isolated to American's.

There are sources that say Alicia Keys father is Jamaican. There are sources (included in some of the links) that say he's African-American.

There's two things that help decipher the information though. One, in order for her father to be Jamaican and African-Amiercan, he'd have to be an American citizen, meaning he'd have to be a Jamaican-American. This link doesn't say he's a Jamaican-American. It said she was born to a Jamaican father.

On the sixth sourced link (Contract Music), here's a quote:

The FALLIN' singer, who grew up in the tough Hell's Kitchen area of New York, has a white mother and an African-American father, and is delighted she avoided the torment dealt to many similar kids in her neighbourhood.

There's two links that says that Craig Cook (her father) is Jamaican. There's on link saying he's Jamaican-American. While we could assume that being African-American can include Afro-Jamaican's, it's inappropriate to assume that he's American. There's nothing that states he's both Jamaican and an American citizen. However, there are several links saying he's African-American.

What's the key though? Alicia Keys, in an interview on MTV, explicitly said her mother was Italian-American. She said her father is African-American. If she were of Jamaican descent, especially it not being an uncommon background in NYC, don't you think she would have mentioned it? She also didn't mention that her mother was of Irish descent. I know there are links out there saying such and such, but is it explicit quotes from her? I haven't been able to get the MTV video yet, but I know it's around. I'm not sure if they got like copyrights on that. But in the mean time, until it can be proven that Alicia Keys father isn't American (there's links saying he's African-American though), saying he's Jamaican would be a false statement. If you could find something saying he's Jamaican-American though, that'd be just as helpful.

Also, this next thing is irrelevant to that whole debate. Some stuff was written on her mother. I'm going to add to that. While we're talking about where her father was born, I figure it'd be relevant to mention where her mother is born and originally from. Here is the quote from the following link:

http://www.alicia-zone.net/alicia/family/

Teresa M. Augello was born on May 8th 1950 in Detroit, Michigan. TomNyj0127 (talk)

Another way of looking at it is that we know her dad is black and an American citizen since we've seen plenty of sources say he's African-American. Being Jamaican-American doesn't eliminate you from being African-American. However, being Jamaican, and not an American, eliminates you from being Africa-American. We have several things showing he's African-American (meaning he is), which could contradict him being Jamaican. In other words, it's for certain that he's African-American. There's no guarantee her father is Jamaican. I'll be changing it to say African-American instead of Jamaican. TomNyj0127 (talk)
 * Please don't. African-American is a horrible term to begin with, and applying it indiscriminately to black people that don't even meet the definition of the term is worse. If the father is Jamaican, she's either Jamaican-American or just plain black. This is a touchy subject with me: I live on an island that is over 80% black, but I've only seen two African-Americans here in the last five years: they were here as tourists.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

''Please don't. African-American is a horrible term to begin with, and applying it indiscriminately to black people that don't even meet the definition of the term is worse. If the father is Jamaican, she's either Jamaican-American or just plain black. This is a touchy subject with me: I live on an island that is over 80% black, but I've only seen two African-Americans here in the last five years: they were here as tourists.''

Although I respect your opinion, I'm not sure why you believe it's a horrible term. Outside of America, the term may not be as welcomed. I'm not sure what island it is you're from. But hypothetically, if you were of African descent and were from Barbados, wouldn't that make you African-Bajan or Afro-Bajan? People might not say that (especially if most of the population is that), but it'd still be true. I definitely agree that it shouldn't be used for people who don't meet the definition. However, there's evidence that her father is an American. This isn't a link I chose off the internet either. This is from a source that was already on here. It explicitly says her father was an American. Therefore, regardless of whether she's half African-American or Jamaican-American, it doesn't mean he's not American. Here's the quote once again.

The FALLIN' singer, who grew up in the tough Hell's Kitchen area of New York, has a white mother and an African-American father, and is delighted she avoided the torment dealt to many similar kids in her neighbourhood.

Being that African-American is an ethnicity which is defined by culture and kinship, I'd understand that it'd be inappropriate to lump that together with a group that's had no contact prior to coming to the U.S. It'd negate the kinship holds of West Indians. Both groups are apart of different socioeconomical and sociocultural patterns. Instead of saying her father is African-American, Jamaican or Jamaican-American (since we actually don't know what he is), I'll say change it to that he's black. TomNyj0127 (talk)


 * Actually, this source, which is included in the article, verifies that her mother is Irish-Italian, while her father was Jamaican (the term 'African American' is used very loosely in media, so to determine that her father was American is impossible). Also, I don't see the need to include where her mother was born; it's not cited and is not relevent to Keys' biography. —  Σ xplicit  05:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I never said here father wasn't Jamaican. What I said was that was that nothing said he was a Jamaican-American. You have explicit evidence in your sources say he's African-American. You're telling me that being African-American is loosely defined in the media? Yes, for actual black U.S. citizens. Your source that says he's Jamaican does not say he's an American. Therefore, we don't know what he is. He could either be Jamaican, African-American or Jamaican-American. All we know for certain is that he's black.

Why don't you need to include where her mother was born? How is it not relevant to Keys' biography? It's apart of her family's history. So her mother being of Irish-Itlaian ancestry is relevant, but being a native of Detroit isn't? In her biography, she talked about how her mother was a single paralegal and part time actress who struggled living paycheck to paycheck. So before her move to New York City, her life wasn't relevant?

I'm not even sure what your rationale for why that's not relevant. I'm not sure if you're trying to be over-controlling or if you don't like hearing that an out of state born person moved to Hell's Kitchen. So we can talk about where Alicia was born and raised while her mother was living there? You realize that by not mentioning that her mother's from Detroit people would be under the presumption that her mother is from Hell's Kitchen? Or not know where she's from?

I find it peculiar that you didn't want to speak of her MTV interview when she said her mother was Italian-American and father was African-American. Knowing that you know a lot of information about Keys', you've probably seen it. But hey, no journalist could be wrong, I guess. TomNyj0127 (talk)

The goal of Wikipedia is to publish as much credible information as possible. I provided a credible link stating Alicia Keys' mother is born in Detroit, Michigan. You've written background information on her. If you delete credible information that's actually relevant, than it's you must have a personal problem with the information. If I'm wrong, provide a more adequate explanation. TomNyj0127 (talk)


 * It's not relevant to this biography; her mother's and father's ethnicity is important to Keys and her biography, but not where her parents were born. For example, take a look at Michael Jackson; he was born in Indiana, while his parents were born in Arkansas and Alabama, respectively, but isn't mentioned in the article (again, not relevent to Jackson's article). Nothing in the text indicates that her mother is from Hell's Kitchen, and nothing indicates that she's not either. True, it is part of Keys' family history, but it has nothing to do with Keys herself. We're presenting Keys' article, not of her family history. I'm not trying to be over-controlling or dislike hearing someone born outside of Hell's Kitchen and moved there (what an odd accusation); I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't assume so. I'm assuming you're still on the topic of African American categories. You may want to read the section below; these categories were removed. —  Σ xplicit  01:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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 * I thought it was pretty notable, so I added it. Edits are welcome. DiverseMentality  (Discuss it)  01:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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When i was in like 7th grade or omething in heath class we watched a movie bout sexual herrasment or something like that and alicia keys was in it she was probly about 13 in the movie. its not on the list i have no clue what its called or ant thing im just trying to help.

Nycki Starr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.170.85 (talk) 23:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Can someone add the info about her partnership with Yamaha since her profile keeps changing every other day? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.207.124 (talk) 01:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_De_Niro

Why wouldn't it be relevant? I see that you brought up Michael Jackson. What about Robert DeNiro?entions that his parents met at college in Massachusetts. Although it doesn't mention that his father's native to Syracuse and mother to Oregon, it mentions his parents met there. How is that relevant to DeNiro's actual life? It's not as if he were alive when this happened.

It'd be one thing if she didn't speak about her mother. She talks about her experience as if it's part of her experience. All you're doing is giving me a blank statement. You're telling me it's not relevant to her biography, yet it's apart of her. If you'd like for me to say it a different way or in a different part of the article, so be it, but it's credible information. Nothing in the article indicates that she's from Hell's Kitchen, but living in a place can give a default status to many people. In other words, if you're from Ohio, people might just assume your parents are because of probability.

I believe it's worth mentioning, because her mother was a part time actress - which is a common profession amongst transplants to the city. I'm not sure if she was joking or not - but Alicia said she walked around with a knife at night as a kid? It's like she tries to make it sound like she grew up in some rough neighborhood, even though her mother was an aspiring actress in Midtown Manhattan (a common profession amongst transplants).Why move 1,000 miles to live expensively and dangerously? It kind of works against Alicia's exaggeration to show the background of Keys' mom. If you want to let fables live though, I could care less.

Plus, didn't Keys move to Atlanta in her teens too? If her mother was from Detroit, it means she had less of a connection to NYC (ex. no family there) than the average New Yorker which probably made it easier to leave. I'm not trying to assume, but I just don't agree with your rationale as to how this isn't relevant to her background. I also don't know why you believe it's okay to leave that her father is Jamaican up there, if we know he's American, and there's no article that says he's both Jamaican and American. If you have some articles saying he's African-American, with no mentioning of Jamaican roots, and some saying he's Jamaican, with no African-American mentioning, how do you know which one is right? All we know is that her father is black.

Have you seen her interview on MTV? I'll try pulling it up online. She says her mother is Italian-American and father is African-American. She never mentioned anything of Irish or Jamaican in there. I'm not sure why she wouldn't either if she was. TomNyj0127 (talk)

alicia keys dad is not from jamaica
Alicia keys dad is half jamaican........and she doesn't even know him he left her mother when she was a young girl.So how can you put her as a jamaican -american star...please take her off that list.she has never contributed anything to Jamaica............ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Threadlight (talk • contribs) 16:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

but hey the weird thing is we can't call her african-american either, and we can't say the word "black" or "negro"

Uh, actually I know her dad and know that they have a good relationship now. She has know her dad for some time. Also, why do we have to put labels on people - SHE's AMERICAN - just like you and me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.223.191.18 (talk) 17:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Mentions in popular culture
Does this section really need to exist?

Acegikmo1 (talk) 01:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Per WP:IPC, "in popular culture" sections are allowed, but should be carefully maintained. Maybe a swift cleanup of the section and removing simple mentions in songs should help the article, as the section should contribute to the subject's cultural significance. DiverseMentality  (Boo!)  03:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Name
I've changed her name from Alicia J. Augello-Cook to Alicia Augello Cook. The three sources that were in the article (one, two, three) after her birth did not indicated a middle initial of J. or her surname hyphenated. I've also replaced all three sources with one single source, Allmusic, because it has her birth date and her correct full name, Alicia Augello Cook. Diverse Mentality  07:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Instruments
if you read the presentation book of the diary, you will note that in various songs she plays rhodes and clavinet... she can also play the synthesyzers! we must add this information!--93.146.217.139 (talk) 17:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC) On the Element of Freedom she is also credited with playing the moog guitar on several songs, which suggests she may be able to play the guitar — Preceding unsigned comment added by HarlemsNocturne (talk • contribs) 18:07, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

alicia keys is a mezzo soprano
alicia keys is a mezzo soprano according to this encyclopedia, it depicts knowledge of the mezzo soprano voice type, alicia keys is listed in Contemporary and crossover mezzo-sopranos, which make sense because of her tessitura and timbre.. the link to the source http://tripatlas.com/Mezzo-soprano... Darksorrow54 (talk) 20:00, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What makes TripAtlas a reliable source? —  Σ xplicit  02:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The TripAtlas article is totally unreliable - it is a copy from Wikipedia. &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice, RHaworth. Darksorrow54, unless you can back up your claim that Keys' is has a mezzo soprano vocal range from a reliable source, all of your edits will be reverted. —  Σ xplicit  21:03, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

tripatlast is way better then wikipedia it has actual facts, and why cant it be use as a source, alicia keys is a mezzo, so putting her as contralto is false and throws her page of, tripatlasts is a very detailed source, it should be accepted as a source,, you think about that... and what the hell reliable source supposed to mean anyways, you know what is a contralto singer, contralto singer have heavy deep timbre and tisstura, for examples singers like Billie holiday is a contralto, compare her to keys and you see the differences, toni braxton, cher and pink are contralto, alicia keys has a higher tessitura and timbre then a contralto, so i aint searching wikipedia for anymore more false information, i am going to stick with tripatlast... Darksorrow54 (talk)Darksorrow54 (talk) 02:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC) 02:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you feel that TripAtlas is a more reliable source than Wikipedia, then by all means, feel free to use it for your personal needs. If you don't know what a reliable source is, please take a look at our policy page, Reliable sources. If you don't know it a particular website is reliable, feel free to ask in the reliable source noticeboard. As stated before, there is no reason to believe TripAtlas is a reliable site, considering it takes its information from Wikipedia. Not only that, but it also contradicts that many other reliable sources state Keys is a contralto (Google searching should make this evident). Simply stating she has a mezzo soprano vocal range based by only listening to her singing without a reliable source is original research, another of our policies that restricts claims based on what you claim to be fact with no evidence other than yourself. —  Σ xplicit  04:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Tripatlast did not contradicted alicia keys voice type, that was outdated information, alicia keys is confirmed as a crossover mezzo soprano, meaning she has the qualities of a mezzo because of her high notes that is song from the chest, wikipedia is ridiculous you guys use irrelevant information like her gay rumors and critics calling her lyrics manufactured, that stuff is not needed, beyonce page is way better she has all her info check and including her personal life, but you guys are worried about keys gay rumors and what critic have to say,why do you even put personal life that no one business, and reliable sources are unreliable because how would you know a singer range, no one knows but the singers them self, so you should take down her voice type because it is unconfirmed buy the singer, mariah voice is a alto because she confirmed it herself, you cant post people voice type or any irrelevant information unless its confirmed by the singer themselves, not false internet info base on you called reliable sources... Darksorrow54 (talk) 02:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)|Darksorrow54|02:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)}}

any ways alicia keys has a lower range of a contralto singers, but ahe mostly has mid range singer, she can belt high notes, but i havent found proff where its relable source, well alicia keys probably looking at your page, and saying i aint a contralto...Darksorrow54 (talk) 20:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life
Since this article specifically includes a Biography section, Key's personal life and other career ventures should be placed within that section in chronological order. And in particular I don't believe her "rumored" relationships need mention at all; they've had little, if any, impact on her notability. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  05:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I suppose you're right. Assuming I'm not beat to it, I'll try merging the sections together and removing the redundancies either later tonight or tomorrow. —  Σ xplicit  05:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Considering the section is now gone, would any be against re-adding it back with this information? —  Σ xplicit  21:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A single statement about a new relationship does not a section make. Simply add a brief note in the 2009 section. The source itself is barely a few paragraphs. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  04:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It is irrelevant how long the source is. The quantity the journalist writes doesn't change the objectivity of a statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiaway (talk • contribs) 05:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:CONSENSUS is not to include a personal life section in this article. Any information regarding Key's relationships should come from a source that has spoken with Keys directly or her official representatives etc. For more info, see WP:GRAPEVINE. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  04:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Bookkeeper, where is this consensus you mentioned? -  thewolfchild   17:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice one of those sources was the Boston Globe - which I added to the 2009 section. Nonetheless, there is no reason to give a single statement about her current relationship WP:UNDUE weight by giving it its own subheading. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  04:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Heritage redux
has added a number of improper heritage categories, contrary to official policy.
 * 1) We don't categorize fractional ethnicities:"Heritage categories should not be used to record people based on deduction, inference, residence, surname, nor any partial derivation from one or more ancestors. [emphasis added]"She has self-identified as mixed heritage: 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Italian, 1/4 Jamaican, and others unknown. The "one-drop rule" and "grandfather clause" are forbidden here. No references verify that she is an Irish citizen ("Irish people of").
 * 2) We rarely categorize an ethnic occupation:"The heritage may be combined with the occupation, replacing the nationality alone, where this heritage is thoroughly documented as essential to the occupation." No reference verify that she is exclusively known for playing Jamaican American music, or that being of partial African American heritage via Jamaica is essential to her acting or singing. Indeed, she is listed for many genres. These are already listed as "American".
 * --William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * After rereading policy I understand where you're coming from. For instance: I incorrectly assumed "Irish people..." reflected anyone of Irish heritage rather than an individual who has citizenship in Ireland. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  02:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Filmography
Someone please add in that she was in a show called "The Adventures Of Pete and Pete" since I'm not good at this html stuff. Here is the clip; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1zTi-lIns she is at 6:29 24.57.79.176 (talk) 06:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

SHE BE CAME MORE POPPULAR ON THE BILL COSBY SHOW WHEN APPERIANCE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.159.150.88 (talk) 14:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

HER OCCUPATIONS SINGER,SONGWRITER,PIANELISTAN OTHERS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.159.150.88 (talk) 14:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

2009 - present
Someone should post that she also collaborated with Alejandro Sanz on his song Looking for paradise, since it has become quite a hit all over latin america. Also, if it's relevant that she performed with Jay-Z in that stadium, it is also relevant that she performed the song during the 2009 MTV VMA's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.179.252.215 (talk) 05:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Please don't tell me it's because of the Swizz Beatz-Mashonda drama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.90.68 (talk) 02:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Singles template
I think that it's time for a separate template for her singles should be made. She has more than enough now. - Sdoo493 (talk) 20:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Could someone please change the picture, it's so unflattering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.120.139 (talk) 20:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Grandmothers
I remember I read a book about Alicia Keys. It said she was raised by her mother and paternal grandmother who is Puerto Rican. But I just search it up and It says that Alicia's maternal grandmother is/was Puerto Rican. Does anyone know if both of her grandmothers are Puerto Rican or just one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.68.26.91 (talk) 21:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

range
Alicia pushing out of her natrual range is untrue, she has great techniques, and saying her soul is manafactured is stupid, i demand it to be taken down, christina is the one who pushes her range not Alicia she belt a g#5 with vibrato so saying she pushes out of her natrual range is untrue and i demand it to be taken down along with the manafactured soul.. Darkplanet554 (talk) 22:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I see no compelling reason to remove this information. You may not agree with it, but musical style sections are meant for both positive and negative criticism of a recording artist's vocal ability, among other things. — ξ xplicit  23:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

but its very untrue though, she has great techniques, thats part should not be there, you should updated now, many critics are saying alicia vocals on element of freedom are, powerful, siver quick fast, and manafactured soul is so stupid, you are not mentioning anything positive on her voice, she is a contralto thats it, just because she is a alto does not limit her to range, i find critics subjective and uneeded.. just like her lesbian rumors, Darksorrow54 (talk) 16:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * "But it's very untrue" is your opinion. Just like its the opinion of the critics who feel her voice emotionally manufactured at times and that she pushes her voice out of its natural range. Additionally, yes, there are several positive aspects of her voice that is in the article. Just an example, "Keys has been commended as having a strong, raw and impassioned voice". Surely that's positive? If you feel the negative is subjective and unneeded, I don't see why you aren't arguing the exact same for the positive critique. You may not agree with it, but these views are both sourced and valid and I see no reason to remove them. The lesbian rumors have long been removed, so there really isn't any need to bring that up again. — ξ xplicit  19:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok but you should put the techniques she uses, like melisma, the ways she manipulates her tone colors, relevant stuff, natrual range is foolish, Alicia does that for stylistics chooses, she can sing high notes effortlessly or forcefully its her style, I watch many live performances and she delivers, she sounds better then her studio records, what the point for discussion if my request is denied, I can't idit it my self because its semi protected, this is totally unfair, Darksorrow54 (talk) 01:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have reliable sources that verify that Keys uses certain singing techniques as you listed above, I'd be more than happy to add it to the article. — ξ xplicit  01:35, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

TV APPEARANCES
Alicia Keys appeared on American Idol as a guest mentor on Tuesday Night April 20, 2010 --Cvandroff@ITIS1210 (talk) 14:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vchristianman (talk • contribs) 14:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 74.124.129.155, 14 May 2010
editsemiprotected

Several Websites is showing pictures from a recent Alicia Keys concert showing she is pregnant with a massive "baby bump" and that she is also engaged to boyfriend rapper/producer Swizz Beatz

74.124.129.155 (talk) 00:33, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Pursuant to the Biographies of living persons policy, please provide a reliable source for this claim. This is necessary to prevent libellous claims and original research, and to conform to the verifiability policy. Intelligent  sium  01:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 144.160.98.31, 25 June 2010
editsemiprotected American musicians of Italian descent

144.160.98.31 (talk) 13:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅, category added. — ξ xplicit  17:45, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Date of Birth
The source for the attempted change of date to 1980 is not actually People or IMDB, I was just using those as an online source that matched the information I came across.

I actually work a job where on this particular project I have to go through recording contracts all day long. I came across an Alicia Keys one, and on the last page, she signs with her birth name (Alicia Augello Cook), her social security number, and her date of birth, in her own handwriting, as 1/25/80. I can't think of a better source than the person herself, but if wikipedia insists on keeping the wrong date up I suppose there's isn't much more I can do about it...Jcgordon7 (talk) 20:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but the most reputable sources for music, including Allmusic and Rolling Stone, claim a birth year of 1981, that's what going to be used. Your story is as believable as the story of the tooth fairy, considering your an anonymous editor. A while back, I remember reading an article that Keys had written a special article for some newspaper of some type (I'm Googling it right now) where she specifically wrote that she was born in 1981. Now, don't get me wrong, age fabrication isn't anything new and I'm well aware of it, but unless some astounding evidence comes up—say, her birth certificate—claiming 1980, we have to go with what the top sources claim. — ξ xplicit  19:27, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

DOB
Look I'm not going to spend time discussing it so if the overlord/admin of Alicia Keys wikipedia page does not want her to be 30 instead of 29 because Allmusic somehow is more reputable than IMDB/People than fine whatever I'm not going to fight about this. Perhaps those "professional editors" at Allmusic decided to just use Wikipedia as their source because they were lazy, who really knows. But it is ridiculous that her birthdate has never been cited anywhere and the minute I find a source it is immediately evicted. I do not get why I, citing a source, have to defend it against an admin who doesn't even bother to put a ref in himself and who hasn't bothered to actually check and see when she was born. At the very least the bio line should read 1980/1981. Strongsauce (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I wonder if I'd be called the overlord of the article if I weren't an admin? "But it is ridiculous that her birthdate has never been cited anywhere..." Not only are you assuming bad faith of me, you have your facts all wrong. Not only is there the Allmusic source in the article, there's Rolling Stone, The New York Times ("[The house] was built in 1981 — the year Ms. Keys was born..."), The Daily Telegraph ("Alicia Augello Cook was born in 1981..."), The Telegraph ("Born in 1981 to a black father and white mother in Hell’s Kitchen, New York, Keys's father left..."), another story ran by The New York Times ("Ms. Augello [Keys's mother] wanted to be an actor, and so she decided to stay after the birth of her only daughter in 1981"), etc. Top-notch sources for the 1981 claim. As for the 1980 claim, I'm having trouble finding any top-notch sources for this. You've cited people, a celebrity magazine. I found The Insider, which is riddled with several inaccuracies from album sales and a large portion of the article looks like it was copied from the 2008 version of this article, not to mention that there's a disclaimer, which reads "DISCLAIMER: This posting was submitted by a user of the site not from The Insider editorial staff. All users have acknowledged and agreed that the submission of their story and its contents is in compliance with our Terms of Use." There's Newsblaze, and good lord, these inaccuracies are even worse—they claim Keys is part Puerto Rican! Considering her mother is Scottish, Irish and Italian descent, and her father is African American, I fail to see where they got this from. I searched deeper for this 1980 claim, but found less sources for it, and the reliability is questionable, at best. As this article is a biography of a living person, we have to be careful with our sources and use references that are known for their fact-checking and reliability; all the sources I've listed that claim the 1981 birth are just that. For the 1980 claim... not so much. — ξ xplicit  20:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 110.224.85.76, 2 August 2010
alicia keys got married ta swizz beats

110.224.85.76 (talk) 07:10, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Stickee (talk)  07:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Alicia Keys did marry Swizz Beatz (Kaseem Dean) before the birth of their child Egypt — Preceding unsigned comment added by HarlemsNocturne (talk • contribs) 18:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Krisaintnice, 4 August 2010
spouse: Swizz Beatz 2010 -present

Krisaintnice (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ❌, this is already mentioned in the body of the article. — ξ xplicit  21:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Adding Personal life section
I've noticed the info about her marriage to Swizz Beatz is with the album section. I think there should be a personal life section again. It's not rumours about who she's dating as that is why the personal life section was removed. This time its all true and other musician articles have a personal life section too, so why shouldn't Alicia Keys? ozurbanmusic (talk) 11:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree even her husband has a Personal Life section that mentions her, yet she doesn't? I've read the comments abov,e but I am still confused as to the difference between one artist and another? (Mrja84 (talk) 16:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC))

Father's occupation
Craig Cook has not been a flight attendant for many years. He is a chef. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chefjjg (talk • contribs) 18:10, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

2001
Why did her herself and on the 2011 BET Awards say that she started in 2001.75.201.239.171 (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Cieracummings, 6 August 2011
Change name from "Alicia Augello Cook (nee Dean)" to "Alicia Augello Dean (nee Cook)" as Cook is her maiden name and Dean her married name.

Cieracummings (talk) 10:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 *  Pinkadelica ♣  23:24, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

alicia Alicia Keys
Hello

. I need help How do I use the International Phonetic Alphabet on Wikipedia

thanks please answer................. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.65.238.1 (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

commercials
shouldn't the commercials she is in also be listed? like the latest one for citibank? these probably expose her music to more listeners than albums and concerts... just a thot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.86.252.7 (talk) 14:34, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Ancestry
This article makes it clear that Keys has self-descibed as multi-racial and that she openly identifies in this way. Thus while she acknowledges having African American ancestry, she does not self describe as African American. She should be categorized in a way to reflect this.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be considered a primary source. Wouldn't this mean that we would have to categorize someone however they choose? Does not seem like a good idea to me. Have to start a Jesus and God category. I could see adding a multiracial category. But I would disagree on removal of ones individuals disagree with. Unless, of course, they are in error. Personally, I think that categorizing a person based on race is silly. Jim1138 (talk) 04:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * (ec)OK, so put her in both black and white categories. She's of African, Italian, Scottish, and Irish descent, so put her in the American singers of those descent categories.  Using Category:American people of African-American descent, which is slated for deletion as being confusing, is unnecessary.  There is as of yet no Category:Biracial Americans, so she can't very well be put into that, and that isn't really that much of an improvement on the black and white categories. The self-description issue is of no import.  p  b  p  04:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment we do not have "white categories" because we do not categorize by race.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:12, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You know what I meant. We do have Italian, Scottish, and Irish categories, and she can and should be placed in those.  p  b  p  17:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

wouldn't it be a good idea to re-word the cat in question (i personally think it's fine as is but apparently others disagree) since the nomenclature seems to be an issue. my question again would be why isn't the category American people of African descent appropriate for people with mixed ethnic parentage where one parent is a descendant from africa? these people in question should not be automatically labeled as "african-american" by wikipedia. especially when they themselves identify as biracial as keys does. people who identify as bi or multi-racial do not typically view themselves as african-american. Xvon (talk) 22:09, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn't they? People who are part French or German or anything else use the same category as people who are 100% French, German, etc.  Why should this be any different?  I have yet to hear a decent answer from you or JPL as to why  p  b  p  22:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

again, a very silly argument by PBP and i don't want to get blocked so i'll refrain from saying anything else. you apparently are completely missing the points of my arguments and are just stuck on the notion that we can't have a more neutral-sounding re-worded category for people of varying backrounds who have large non-african heritage besides "african-american people". Xvon (talk) 23:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The name of that category is Category:African-American people and its various subcategories. There's nothing "silly" about saying that people of partial African-American heritage should go in that category  p  b  p  00:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

pbp yes there is, as i already have explained to you. the issue is the nomenclature of that cat i.e. AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE. it should be only applied to people without large non-black/african ancestry. what do you not understand here? Xvon (talk) 02:02, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

PS i responded to you on my talkpage Xvon (talk) 02:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you supply a source for recommended terminology for various human races and mixes of races? Jim1138 (talk) 09:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

ummm no, just use common sense. and besides where is the SOURCE for the "terminology" of the current category AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE that you want these people to be put in? you see where we can go with this? Xvon (talk) 13:33, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want sources, I got 3.3 million hits when searching "Alicia Keys" "African American" on Google... p  b  p  14:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

huh??? i said the terminology (or wording) of the category, that's a more specific issue than whether 3 million websites label her as af-am. ps responded to you on my talkpage. Xvon (talk) 15:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it is not about common sense. Wikipedia needs to be wp:v. If "common sense" were allowed in place of reliable sources, it would be unusable. If it is common sense, there should be many reliable sources to reference from. And if it were common sense, why isn't Wikipedia already that way and why are we having this conversation? Jim1138 (talk) 20:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment If people were trying to place Keys in a category called Category:Italian-American people I would oppose that. She is in Category:American people of Italian descent.  So in some cases she is in descent categories.  My argument is that in all cases she should be in descent categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:06, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Category:African-American people and its subcats are descent categories... p  b  p  05:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment the above point is basically the exact point i've been trying to make, but JPL summarized it much better. JPL shouldn't you also put that comment on the CFD page so it well help keep the disputed category. Xvon (talk) 03:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Israel Concert Controversy
Seems this is becoming notable enough to be added here. Alice Walker and co have become involved in it.
 * Alice Walker
 * Hareetz
 * Alice Walker to Alicia Keys: Tel Aviv concert will put your soul in danger

the list is long it needs to be in controversies. Not to mention the numerous petitions running online.--Inayity (talk) 08:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Personal Life section
This article needs it's Personal Life section back. Please see discussion here -  thewolfchild   01:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

She had a guest appearance on My Wife and Kids episode: Jr's Dating Dilemma
I'm really shocked this isn't listed on any of her filmographies, anywhere — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.195.38.49 (talk) 17:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)