Talk:American Idol

Off Broadway Musical
I added the verifiable fact that there was a short running off Broadway musical based on the show to the Cultural impact:Film and Theater section of the article. @BrickMaster02 has seen fit to delete that without so much as the courtesy of an explanation. If it was not a cultural impact, and was not in the field of Film and Theater, please explain why. Kevin McE (talk) 15:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The section refers to Idol alumni only, not productions loosely based off of alumni. BrickMaster02 (talk) 15:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in the section heading, nor any introduction to that section, that sets such a stipulation. In the context of an article about a TV show, 'Cultural impact' means cultural impact of the show.  Your justification is by virtue of a criterion that seems to be entirely of your own invention/understanding.  Indded, 3 of the seven paragraphs in that section make no reference to any alumnus of the show. Kevin McE (talk) 15:31, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * +1 The existence of a musical send-up is a perfect example of the show's "ripple effect" on the larger cultural landscape. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 19:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * A single line mention is good enough for article, I see nothing wrong with it. But please, don't merge the whole article into here. Hzh (talk) 21:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

The AfD for Idol:_The_Musical has been closed w/ no consensus. I therefore propose merging the introduction to said article, in whole or in part, to this article in the form of either its own section or as a mention in the Cultural Impact section. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 04:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please don't do that. There was no support for your suggestion of adding the introduction there, it'll still be an Oppose from me. Just add a sentence, or a bit more if you really want it, as suggested by another editor: "A 2007 musical, based on the show, called Idol: The Musical, played off-Broadway. The musical closed on its official opening night." Hzh (talk) 07:59, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Even that much would still be considered a "merge." You're getting hung up on the terminology. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It is not a merge. WP:MERGE is combining two articles into one, therefore it means that you remove (by redirecting) the other article and move all or part of the content here. I'm merely suggesting adding a sentence and a bit here, which you don't need further discussion, because there is already support for it in the discussion above. I'm not interested in doing anything to the other article, start another AfD on that if you are really keen, but it is irrelevant here. Hzh (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So if I redirected the other article, you'd revert that edit? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 06:33, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not keeping an eye on the other article, I won't know if you do it. Others might object that you redirect it when an AfD just ended without consensus and there is as yet no consensus here, and what they do is up to them (who knows, they might report you to ANI). Hzh (talk) 08:11, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * TBH, seems like you and I are the only ones w/ an opinion on this. The AfD closer specifically said they would permit the merger discussion to continue. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


 * So to sum up the discussion, I will be permitted to add a brief mention of the musical to this article in the context of Idol's larger cultural impact. Likewise, no one objects to redirecting the other article here. Is that correct? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 17:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You can give a brief mention in this article, but the discussion here gives you no permission to redirect. Hzh (talk) 18:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought you said you didn't care what I did w/ the other article. Now it looks like you're trying to set yourself up as the "guardian" of these articles. What's your interest? And at the risk of sounding juvenile, what if I do redirect it? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 20:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't keep an eye on that article, it's irrelevant to me what happened to it, I'm certainly no guardian of any sort on that article. I'm merely stating the simple fact that there is no support for your merge proposal here, therefore you cannot use this discussion to redirect that article. If you do it, you are doing it because you want to do it, regardless of other people's opinion.  This needed to be said because if there is a dispute over your redirect, then you cannot use this discussion to support your action. Hzh (talk) 21:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Undid the re-direct (or rather, deletion) since there was no consensus on the AFD, and left it up for merge discussion. There are independent sources available, and a previous edit actually deleted a plot summary which gave good (if over detailed) information. Mark E (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Tables
Will people who want to change the table please discuss first? We have reasonably stable tables for some time, now every couple of weeks someone wants a new table, and it's back to the situation many years ago when everyone seems to want they own table (and some of them were pretty hideous) and it kept changing. Propose the table you want here, so we can decide which one we might want in the article. Hzh (talk) 20:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2023
For the Season 21 section of the page, for the sentence that talks about the premiere date, delete the "21" and add the word "the" between "that" and "season". Can you please fix that? Please. 2601:40A:8400:5A40:EDEE:269D:D288:9EE2 (talk) 12:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

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