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Should there be a new page dedicated to the proliferation and scope of anime fandom on the Internet?

Like so many mediums, anime has become a source of memes and fan remixing on the internet, where people have edited images of the 2016 Presidential Election to the tune of Evangelion's theme song. That's not mentioning the several other videos combining other non-anime things to anime music or imagery. Thought this was an aspect that deserved some coverage or discussion before dedicating a theoretical new article to the topic. Internet Informant (talk) 07:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Anime comes from an french word

I know the word anime comes from an English word, but it actually comes from the French word Dessin animé which means cartoon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmberLovesEverything (talk • contribs) 04:21, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

This possibility is already discussed in the article. Meters (talk) 04:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2020

can you change ". He equated the desolation with" to "i.e." please Devious Mischevious (talk) 17:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: This is not an equivalent statement. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Remove

From the "Media franchises" section, this sentence "Other anime media franchises among the world's top 15 highest-grossing media franchises include Hello Kitty, Gundam, and Dragon Ball, while the top 30 also includes Fist of the North Star, Yu-Gi-Oh and Evangelion." is not backed up by a reliable source as those 2 sources (Comicbook) is using Wikipedia as a source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Wikipedia_and_sources_that_mirror_or_use_it Please remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.87.103 (talk) 23:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Good catch. For future reference, people will pay attention to a request like this faster if you use the {{Edit semi-protected}} template at the start of your request. Tamzin (they/them) | o toki tawa mi. 22:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021

pls add images of some anime 68.126.204.92 (talk) 19:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

There are already a fair amount of images in the article to visually explain what's being described in prose. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

then can you add names of famous animes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:c010:e00e:9528:cf2d:e0ad:3168 (talk • contribs) 14:32, September 7, 2021 (UTC)

Similarly to what user:ScottishFinnishRadish wrote in the previous response, we already mention several several famous animes. Many more are available in History of anime. Meters (talk) 19:17, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Origin of the word "anime"

Currently the article explains the word "anime" as being originated from the English word "animation". But most online sources i could find suggest that the word originated in the 70's form the french word "animé" meaning animated or lively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.84.198 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Nah, it’s a myth.
Most Japanese dictionaries say that アニメ comes from アニメション which itself comes from the English word “animation”.
For the anecdote, the French dictionary Le Petit Robert gives as an etymology: « mot japonais, abréviation de animēshon […], emprunté à l’anglais animation », same for the Petit Larousse: [1].
As for English dictionaries, they pretty much say the same thing: Oxford / Merriam-Webster. --Thibaut (talk) 14:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Don't know what it's worth, these are the first few links that show up for me on a "anime etymology" google search (independantly of the intrinsic quality and usability as a source ofc):
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Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2022

In the French expression dessin animé cited in the etymology section, dessin literally means drawing, sketch, and never design. Both words (dessin and design) derive from the same latin origin, but ended up with different meaning in French and English. dessin is akin to the Spanish deseño and the Portuguese desenho. The English design would translate in French, according to the context, as projet, conception, modèle, plan, or even "désign" but never as dessin unless it means the literal picture or drawing, which is not the case here. Animé does not mean a drawing style, but the art of animation itself. Jaccoud (talk) 16:10, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Maybe the French etymology should be removed altogether per the section above and this section. Thibaut (talk) 16:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Where it says "literally 'animated design'" should read "literally 'animated drawing'".
As for the ethymologic dispute, it looks like the Japanese word is clearly of English origin, and I agree it should be ammended. However, the commonly accepted spelling animé, oxytonic and with the acute accent, is undisputedly French. It is curious that the word went from English to Japanese onli to return with modifications. That is not the case in Portuguese, which borrowed from the French animé resulting in animê; the word anime was already existent, since it is the future subjunctive form of the verb animar (to animate). The translated articles should reflect the origin of the word in the respective language, and i should post comments there. Jaccoud (talk) 19:56, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
However, the commonly accepted spelling animé, oxytonic and with the acute accent, is undisputedly French.
In English the commonly accepted spelling is "anime" with no accent, and when an accent is occasionally used it's used as a pronunciation queue, not because the word is borrowed via French. This is explained in the current article text. 240F:7C:6362:1:2081:44DA:5319:6AB8 (talk) 13:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

The "disputed" language on etymology should be removed

Every Japanese reference source I can find unanimously agrees that JA "anime" is an abbreviation of JA "animeeshon", itself a loan word for EN "animation". No JA reference I can find mentions any connection to French, even as a disputed possibility.

Sources I checked include paper dictionaries (広辞苑, 大辞林, 大辞泉, 新辞林) and online dictionaries (weblio, goo, kotobank, wiktionary, some others). Japanese etymology references (gogen-yurai, yain, etymology-encyclopedia) all cover "anime" by giving the etymology for EN "animation". None mentions any connection to French.

Even the JA wikipedia page doesn't list any possible connection to French. I believe it did several years ago (when it was a direct translation of the EN page), but that has since been removed.

I guess if it's really important one could say that there "has been dispute about the etymology among non-Japanese speakers" or something, but it's a Japanese word and in Japanese references its etymology is not disputed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.5.140.176 (talk) 07:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree, even French dictionaries say that the word borrowed from Japanese comes from English:
  • Le Petit Larousse, anime: « mot japonais, de l'anglais animation » [2].
  • Le Petit Robert, anime or animé: « mot japonais, abréviation de animēshon […], emprunté à l’anglais animation ».
--Thibaut (talk) 13:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
It would be great if someone familiar with WP could make an edit request for this. I'm not familiar with the ins and outs myself.
A reasonable revision to the etymology 2nd paragraph might look like:
The etymology of anime starts with the English word "animation". This was borrowed into Japanese as アニメーション (animēshon), and abbreviated to アニメ (anime, pronounced [a.ɲi.me] (listen)).
If it's really necessary to include the connection to French, even though it seems to have no actual support from any eytmological sources, then:
Some fan sources have suggested the Japanese term was derived from the French dessin animé ("cartoon"), likely influenced by the popularity of anime in France in the late 1970s and 1980s, but Japanese etymology sources agree that the term is derived from English. 240F:7C:6362:1:895B:6CE:1DE6:3563 (talk) 03:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

No oppositions to remove the “disputed” mention and the French etymology? --Thibaut (talk) 06:30, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Image showcasing different art styles

I like the collage of anime's different art styles, but it has a few shortcomings. For one, it's pretty limited in temporal scope -- all the examples are from the 2000s, when the image was made. For another, it's a little hard to tell with some of the images what is being shown at first glance (the ones from Dead Leaves and Cat Soup especially). Also, although it makes a strong case for how diverse and eclectic anime art styles can be, it's hard to argue that these examples are especially representative.

May I suggest this image as a replacement (or addition)? I think it's an improvement in a few ways:

  • It focuses on characters, all of whom are easily visible. Although backgrounds and overall artistic style are an important part of anime, I'd argue that it's character art that most defines the medium.
  • It's more balanced temporally. The character on the upper left is from the early '70s, the one on the bottom left is from 2021, and there's a relatively even selection from the years between.
  • It's more representative of anime art. I tried to include a balance of genders, hair colors, ages (sort of! anime really emphasizes youth) and some of the more typical character types (moe high-schooler, poofy-haired boy, bishounen, more realistically-depicted action heroine, etc.).

The one issue I could see is that the designs are a bit samey (I realize the bottom two aren't anything special, for example) and don't express the variety of anime art that well, but my goal was to convey what a more "typical" anime character might look like, which is more helpful for an encyclopedia article. But I welcome any comments. Brutannica (talk) 02:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2022

I've been watching anime for 6 years and i would like to add some facts about anime. Equineweeb (talk) 16:02, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Small typo

In the list of prominent anime production companies, there should be a space after the comma after Studio Ghibli, but there isn't one. Could someone with the ability to edit semi-protected pages pop in and add it? 97.127.28.82 (talk) 22:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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History is Anime

Anime traces its roots back to the early 20th century, when Japanese artists and animators began experimenting with animation techniques that were being developed in the West. The earliest known Japanese animation dates back to 1907, a three-second clip of a sailor boy moving his arms. In the following decades, animators created short clips and experimental works, influenced by Western animators like Winsor McCay. During World War II, the Japanese government used animation for propaganda purposes.

The postwar era saw the emergence of Osamu Tezuka, known as the "Godfather of Anime." Tezuka was inspired by Disney cartoons and brought his own stylistic sensibilities to his works like Astro Boy (1952), which incorporated large eyes and stylized features. This aesthetic would come to define the "anime" style. Tezuka also pioneered limited animation techniques, using fewer frames to reduce costs. His productions were targeted at all ages and paved the way for anime to become mainstream entertainment in Japan.

In the 1960s, anime gained wider popularity in Japan, particularly with shows like Tetsuwan Atomu (Astro Boy). The giant robot genre was also established with Mitsuteru Yokoyama's Tetsujin 28-go. Television networks dedicated to animation were launched, providing a platform for more ambitious projects. The 1970s saw the emergence of anime icons like Lupin III and Space Battleship Yamato. Yamato in particular demonstrated that anime could tell serious dramatic stories on par with live-action film and TV.

The 1980s was a breakthrough decade that propelled anime to international attention. Sci-fi epics like Macross and space opera Gundam became wildly popular. Groundbreaking films like Katsuhiro Otomo's Akira (1988) wowed audiences with its sophisticated storytelling and animation techniques. Akira helped anime gain mainstream acceptance in the West as a serious art form. The home video market also fueled the anime industry's growth, as viewers could own copies of shows and films.

In the 1990s and 2000s, the anime industry continued to grow. New genres like magical girl series Sailor Moon emerged. Anime transcended its niche status with international hits like Pokémon and Dragon Ball Z. Filmmaker Hayao Miyazaki and his Studio Ghibli became renowned worldwide for acclaimed masterpieces like Spirited Away (2001). Japanese animation drew global talent and influenced creators around the world.

Some key trends emerged in recent decades. A distinct subculture of adult-oriented anime took shape, represented by Cyberpunk works like Ghost in the Shell (1995). Series adapted from "light novels" became very popular, typified by The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (2006). There was also a trend of adapting manga series into anime, like the monumental hit One Piece (1999-present).

On the technological side, computer graphics came to be more heavily incorporated starting in the 1990s, allowing for increasingly complex digital animation techniques. Yet even as CG became more common, traditional hand-drawn anime remained prevalent as well.

Anime's influence has also spread far beyond Japan. In China for instance, "donghua" animation took inspiration from anime's signature aesthetics. Anime has left a clear mark on American animation, with shows like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Voltron: Legendary Defender showing strong anime influences. Fan communities dedicated to anime have proliferated globally, enabled further by the internet and streaming.

Major anime distribution companies like Funimation and Crunchyroll emerged to license titles for international release. Top anime conventions like Anime Expo and Comic-Con International bring in huge crowds. Streaming services allow easier access to anime globally.

As of 2022, anime remains a multibillion-dollar industry and international cultural phenomenon. Modern anime encompasses many diverse genres and styles catering to all ages and interests. From shining mecha battles to intimate high school dramas, contemporary anime storytelling runs the gamut. Anime studios continue to push the medium forward technically and artistically. With its long and ever-evolving history, anime has cemented itself as a uniquely Japanese creative export that has impacted global pop culture. Though its future is unclear, anime's rich history and origins in artistic experimentation and storytelling innovation will no doubt continue to inspire animators and audiences for years to come.

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oseamu tezuka why he create anime

Tezuka started to draw comics around his second year of elementary school, in large part inspired by Disney animation; he drew so much that his mother would have to erase pages in his notebook in order to keep up with his output. Tezuka was also inspired by the works by Suihō Tagawa and Unno Juza. Createvivek (talk) 04:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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  1. ^ janz, zeb (20 June 2023). "Les 15 meilleurs personnages d'anime aux cheveux verts, classés". MaxStarter (in French). Retrieved 20 June 2023.
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