Talk:Apple/Archive 6

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"the relationship between both words is uncertain."
The relationship between the English word and the PIE etymon is perfectly clear, one is derived from the other. This sounds like some crackpot attempt to cast doubt on an uncontroversial etymology and should simply be removed, IMO.--178.249.169.67 (talk) 12:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

"Apfelbäume" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Apfelbäume and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 8 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TraderCharlotte (talk) 21:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Incoming links
Writing Apple sell iPhones, linking accidentally to the fruit, is an easy error which many editors must make, but I don't see any articles with such bad links. If the editor(s) who monitor and fix these would like to step forward, WikiProject Bluelink patrol may be able to learn from your techniques and perhaps share some of our experience with you. Certes (talk) 10:13, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 10 September 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved - WP:SNOW close. (non-admin closure)  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:00, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

– Per WP:PTOPIC. Apple Inc. had [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2021-09&end=2022-08&pages=Apple%7CApple_Inc. roughly 4 times more views] than Apple (655,878 vs 177,932) in the last 60 days. Terrabalt (talk) 07:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Apple → Apple (fruit)
 * Apple Inc. → Apple
 * Oppose Long-term significance applies here. 180.254.173.193 (talk) 08:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose, based in the long-term significance aspect under WP:PTOPIC. My opinion has not changed since the last similar RM discussions in February 2012 and in September 2020. I prefer to error on the centuries long-term significance of the fruit, as described on Apple, Apple and Apple (symbolism), among others. The fruit has substantially greater and long-term enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. For example, the scientific and technological influence of the 18th Century Isaac Newton apple incident. Or centuries-old tropes and motifs like "shooting an apple off one's child's head" or the golden apple. And as stated on Apple Inc., founder Steve Jobs stated he was inspired by the fruit when establishing his company in 1976 (only about 40+ years ago, compared to millions of years of human experience with the fruit). Zzyzx11 (talk) 08:42, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose' 2nd, support 1st, move Apple (disambiguation) here as a compromise. Also Britannica uses "Apple" for the fruit and "Apple Inc." for the company.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 09:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would prefer to oppose both, and not compromise. If Britannica uses "Apple" and not "Apple (fruit)", we should too. Zzyzx11 (talk) 10:29, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as above, long-term significance. Bayonet-lightbulb (talk) 10:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as stated. I would support moving Apple (disambiguation) to the base name instead, but that compromise failed to find consensus when an IP from the same /12 proposed it less than two years ago. Certes (talk) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose moves. Long-term significance favors the fruit.  O.N.R.  (talk) 11:59, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. 162 etc. (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support moving the fruit, oppose moving the company and move the dab page to base title. If our two main criteria for a primary topic (usage and long-term significance) lead to two completely separate primary topics per each criterion, we cannot determine a primary topic and thus all relevant topics need disambiguation. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:40, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose yet again, is it really that time of year again already? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. The annual iThing is just out, and the fruit is ripening nicely. Certes (talk) 22:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the long-term significance of the fruit far outweighs that of a tech company. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 03:48, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Long-term significance again. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Support fruit Oppose company EmilySarah99 (talk) 07:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose, per long-term significance. YorkshireExpat (talk) 14:44, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The fruit is clearly the primary topic. J I P  &#124; Talk 18:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - the company was named after said fruit, which is clearly the primary topic and most significant. Difficultly north (talk) The artist formerly known as Simply south 23:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - regardless of page views, the fruit is far more ubiquitous than the comany. Replacing the fruit with the company would make it look like Wikipedia endorses commercialism. DFlhb (talk) 07:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I believe that this page should be moved. There are a lot more things called Apple than just the fruit. Madison Elizabeth Michelle (talk) 22:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That is correct, there are a lot more things called Apple than just the fruit. That's why there's a disambiguation link at the very top, before the article even begins. The fruit is obviously the source and predecessor of all other uses of the term, therefore it should be the direct link. This is discussed above. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 23:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Being the source and predecessor isn't conclusive: Boston, Massachusetts gets the base name despite being named for Boston, Lincolnshire. The relevant fact is that the fruit is a primary topic.  It's certainly primary by long-term significance.  Whether it's also primary by usage is less clear, but the discussion above decided not to move. Certes (talk) 10:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I now know about Boston, Lincolnshire. Thank you! I think I will fall back on a completely specious argument: Each year, more Apples the fruit are sold than all Apple Inc.'s products combined since it started back in the 1980's. (List of countries by apple production -> 83,139,326 metric tons/year 2017 -> 183,290,838,865 pounds/year -> approx three apples per pound -> 549,872,516,595 Apples/year) Check and Mate. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 19:29, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

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Request for further detail
i propose a clarification for the sake of interest, that we additionally detail, specifically, that approximately 570 billion apples were produced in 2018. This provides a better grasp of quantity. (I got this number taking .33 pounds as the average apple weight, as sources detail) 174.251.65.118 (talk) 03:05, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Mouseover image is unhelpful
When mousing over a link to this page, I see the second image in the sidebar, the apple flower, instead of the picture above it of an apple. I don't know how to change this, but I feel the article picture should be of the object people are familiar with as an apple. Albert Newton1 (talk) 16:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Request new additions
In the cultivars section can we please the Australian cultivar’s of the Pink Lady apple & the Bravo apple. Both cultivated/ bred in Australia along with the Granny Smith apple.

cheers.

links / references material.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/programs/landline/2023-06-04/bravo-apples:-australias-new-apple/102438782

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The women behind our (Australians) famous apples.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/the-women-behind-our-famous-apples/101908816

Purple Bravo apples, the 'Louis Vuitton' of the industry, bound for international stage.

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102297262 49.185.205.152 (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

apple=malum, James Geary
The sentence
 * The origin of the popular identification with a fruit unknown in the Middle East in biblical times is found in wordplay with the Latin words mālum (an apple) and mălum (an evil), each of which is normally written malum.

has two references, one of them is Wit's End: What Wit Is, How It Works, and Why We Need It by James Geary.

I have removed this reference, as it seems clear to me that this author is not a serious linguist. In the same book, just one page later, he claims that the Hebrew name of Eve ("Havvah" = חַוָּה = chet-vav-heh) is derived from "ahavvah" (he means ahavah, אַהֲבָה = aleph-heh-vet-heh, with the root aleph-heh-vet), apparently because chet and heh are often transcribed with the same latin letter h, similarly for vav=v=vet.

--Austrian (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC) Austrian (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Germanic paganism
"The English scholar H. R. Ellis Davidson links apples to religious practices in Germanic paganism, from which Norse paganism developed." This makes it sound as if there was first something called "Germanic paganism" and later something called "Norse paganism" developed from that, which there is no evidence for whatsoever. Çæñå (talk) 08:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC)