Talk:Ari Nagel

Birth date or year
This tweet by him probably contains his birthday, which matches database sources, but because the original tweet he was replying to was deleted it is impossible verify for sure. Mvqr (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

BuySomeApples's edits
I've reverted this edit, which was lacking an edit summary, due to:
 * 1) Worse flow.
 * 2) Falsification of sources: "In 2017, Nagel deposited sperm with six different sperm banks." does not appear in NZ Herald  which is cited.
 * 3) Height and eye colour are covered by a multitude of sources on Nagel, e.g., it appears to be relevant to sperm donation in general as seen in this paper.
 * 4) Baseless removing of a sourced section on movies on Nagel.  Mvqr  (talk) 11:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The source currently cited is Jerusalem Post which states "In 2017, Nagel deposited his semen in six different sperm banks and filled joint requests with seven women who asked to become mothers by him."
 * Height and color might be mentioned in various sources, but it's rarely included in Wikipedia articles, outside of models.
 * The films have not been removed, they have been incorporated into the body of the article, and the external links removed. External links should generally not be used in that way.

The rest of the info added is also sourced, such as the Esquire interview, and other minor edits. BuySomeApples (talk) 11:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The source originally cited, was a serious biography of living people issue. You've corrected it to the Jerusalem Post, but you should also correct that this happened in Israel. Removing the external links is fine, but you removed the entire section, not just the external links. This belongs in a separate section. As for height and eye colour, multiple sources disagree with you, both specific to Nagel and to sperm donors generally. There attributes are probably even more relevant to sperm donors than models.-- Mvqr (talk) 11:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Many sources discuss the hair or eye color of politicians, journalists, scientists, etc. because it adds personal detail and humanizing touches, that doesn't mean it has to be included on the page. The page doesn't currently specify where the sperm banks were, and is in a paragraph regarding Israel, so it's not incorrect. However, I have specified Israel per your request. The section "Movies" is both nonstandard and unnecessary. If you read the page, you'll see both documentaries are still included. Thanks! BuySomeApples (talk) 11:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added a subheading for "Documentaries". Although it's not necessary, hopefully it will help reach a middleground for the page that you might like more. BuySomeApples (talk) 11:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A section with Filmography is pretty standard, here are three featured articles with such a section: D. Djajakusuma, Noël Coward, Gary Cooper. Height, hair, and eye colour are not humanising touches for sperm donors, as it is one of the main screening criteria as pointed out by Men's Journal, The New York Times, The Journal of Bioeconomics, and the Economics & Human Biology journal. -- Mvqr (talk) 11:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A filmography section formatted like those pages would be fine, that's different than the "Movies" section you inserted. I don't doubt that eye color or hair color impacts the desirability of a sperm donor, or a politician, a date, or a host of other things. However, that doesn't mean that it belongs in an encyclopedia article about the person. Hopefully that makes sense, I'm not trying to be difficult. BuySomeApples (talk) 11:57, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I thank you for returning the Documentaries section. We will disagree on height and colouring, in my opinion it is as relevant as it is for actors and models. It is not the same as some random profession or politicians.-- Mvqr (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's fine if we disagree, hopefully its removal doesn't disappoint you too much. And again, you did a wonderful job on this page in my opinion. BuySomeApples (talk) 12:06, 11 July 2022 (UTC)