Talk:Austria–Switzerland border

Requested move 14 October 2014

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. It might make sense as suggested by some users to discuss changing the guidelines, but changing one article to go against them seems clearly is an unproductive way to change the status quo, especially considering this was controversial enough for the ArbCom to be involved. &mdash;innotata 05:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Austria–Switzerland border → Austria-Switzerland border – As it currently is, a simple dash ('-') doesn't pull up this page. It seems to currently be an m-dash? --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 14:15, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Coffeerain (talk) 16:48, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of dashed off articles that should rightly be hyphenated according to WP:UCRN but I dont think this is one of them. "Austria–Switzerland border".  Also the WP:MOS police will be out soon.  Gregkaye  ✍ ♪  20:53, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have created a redirect from the proposed title, so I think this should solve the problem. I'd suggest withdrawing the request, since the current title is indeed the one preferred according to the manual of style. Dekimasu よ! 23:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the request should be withdrawn, I believe. Tony   (talk)  07:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Support, as search "Austria Switzerland border": The common way to present it is with a hyphen or slash.   Gregkaye  ✍ ♪  19:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I support the move to have a name easier to write and find. However, many other pages are probably in the same situation (Category:Borders by country) and it would be better to have a consistent situation. Katy Gallaghon (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2014 (UTC).
 * Yes, I'm afraid thousands of article titles would have to be changed into forms that conflict with the style guide; please note that this aspect of the style guide was approved by community consensus some years back under Arbcom supervision. And please note that other variants will also turn up high in a google search. Tony   (talk)  12:58, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


 * All right, I thought I had fixed the issue, but at any rate oppose, per Tony1 and WP:ENDASH. WP:ENDASH tells us to use "an en dash between nations" and its second example is exactly "an Italian–Swiss border crossing" with an en dash. I suggest treating "Austria–Switzerland border" the standard way and discussing any objections at the MOS rather than changing an individual page. Dekimasu よ! 01:36, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Support but don't know why I bother. Yes, that would be contrary to guidelines. So I'll plead WP:IAR and hope to see some sense restored to the guidelines. Using these unnecessary special characters in the article titles achieves nothing positive in the way of reader experience, which is our bottom line. In the text they may be arguable at best; In the title, not even that. On behalf of the Hyphen luddites, Andrewa (talk) 12:05, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Agree with Dekimasu: the MoS guideline is clear, and the redirect has taken care of the usability issue. Favonian (talk) 19:02, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


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