Talk:Avempace

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This is from Majid Fakhry
However, the first genuine philosopher of al-Andalus was Abu Bakr Ibn al-Sayigh, better known as Ibn Bajjah or Avempace (d. 1138). Unlike his Andalusian predecessors mentioned above, Avempace was thoroughly versed in philosophy, logic and medicine. He wrote paraphrases of Aristotle's Physics, Meteorology, Generation and Corruption, the Book of Animals, as Aristotle's zoological corpus was called in Arabic, and the spurious De Plantis. In addition, he wrote extensive glosses (ta`aliq) on the logical works of al-Farabi, for whom he had the highest regard, in addition to an original political treatise, modeled on al-Farabi's Virtuous City and entitled the Conduct of the Solitary (Tadbir al-Mutawahhid). . --Irishpunktom\talk 11:31, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 04:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Velocity?
This:
 * was also equivalent to Galileo's definition of velocity:[9]: Velocity = Motive Power - Material Resistance

is a very strange definition of velocity. The page, however, was heavily edited by Jagged85, so is not reliable William M. Connolley (talk) 09:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It was his, so I removed it William M. Connolley (talk) 10:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Name
(a) Odd situation this: unlike his better-known brethren Avicenna and Averroes, Ibn Bajjah's Arabic name may now be more in English these days. A cursory ngram shows Ibn Bajja (no H) leading Avempace. On the other hand, Google Scholar shows Avempace well in the lead over all the combinations of Ibn(-)Bajja(h) combined. What I imagine is that some other "Bajja" or "Bajjas" are muddying the waters and it would take mucking through the much less reliable Book and vanilla Google results to figure out who's involved and how much they're swinging the numbers. I'll leave that for any future editors who want to start a move proposal: I'm fine with leaving it here to keep it in line with the other guys, whose English names remain well in the lead.

(b) But until the page does move, the article's should start with the article's title. Kindly maintain that format pending a move. If the page moves, continue to lead with the common, shorter version and not the off-putting and unhelpful full list of patronymics. It also helps to keep a link to Arabic name handy, so people can try to understand it if they want. (All of these articles could actually use "Name" sections explaining how the Latin terms derived from Hebrew transcriptions of the Arabic, giving lists of variant spellings, and explaining and linking to the parts of the patronymic list... but I'll leave that to others who understand it better.)

(c) I personally feel people who can't read the Arabic text can just zoom their browsers and it's not a good reason to muck with the English layout, but we should try to keep our style consistant across the Arabic pages. Since Muhammad and Avicenna have embiggened text, we should use it here until there's a community consensus to remove it.

(d) No idea why the short form of the name gives Bājjah for the exact same text given as Bâjja in the long form name, but I've adjusted it to the long form, pending improvement from someone more knowledgable.

(e) No idea whatsoever what this is talking about—"His beloved expressions were Gharib غريب and Mutawahhid متوحد, two approved and popular expressions of Islamic Gnostics. "—but it's removed pending sourcing and much, much clearer and explanatory phrasing. — Llywelyn II   10:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources for article expansion
Not saying it isn't biased (it is) but "Avempace" at the EB 9th edition (1878) has some good treatment about the guy's influence and importance on the mediæval west, which deserves its own section here. — Llywelyn II   10:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

No section on his philosophy?
The introduction says his philosophy influenced Averroes and Albert Magnus and that he was a prominent figure in philosophy in his time. Yet there is no section about this philosophy. What did he say and how did he influence those people? LastDodo (talk) 08:49, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Was he a sceptic
The 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica article claims "he was...apparently a sceptic. He is said to have rejected the Koran, to have denied the return to God, and to have regarded death as the end of existence" (but he still became a vizier). If true this would be an important part of his biography, but there is no specific citation to support the EB1911 claim (there is a list of general authorities), so I'm reluctant to assert it. I suspect there may be more modern scholarship that may shed more light? David Brooks (talk) 00:45, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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