Talk:Bambi/Archive 1

Name of title character
Where did the name Bambi come from? Speculative: Italian for boy child is "Bambini". Wonder if there is any documentation suggestion the original author named Bambi after this word. Astrophil 24:53, 28 May 2005  (UTC)

Both the movie and the book are well written up and well linked (take a look a the "what links here") in the Bambi article. AlainV 01:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

This page should not be at "Bambi"
The book was written two decades before the film was made.FuriousFreddy 20:27, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) I think it's fair to say that the most famous meaning is that of the movie. Further, that is the only thing known by that title as the book is known by it's fuller title – it is also linked to in the lead section of Bambi. You also shouldn't really undo something like this without contacting the person that did it first! Now I've had to redo it again.violet/riga (t) 21:02, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced comment
"The death of Bambi's mother has been named by Americans in polls as the saddest scene in film history."

If a source isn't given in a few days, I'll be forced to delete this. (I also have a feeling that the author also meant "a poll", not "polls".) Deltabeignet 23:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I've removed it as promised. The contributor is still welcome to source it and re-add. Deltabeignet 23:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Partially removed a phrase in controversy
Hi.

Because I couldn't identify the secretary of interior who said that controlled burning is beneficial, I removed the words "The Secretary of the Interior." The original text was: "The Secretary of the Interior from points out that controlled burning is now recognized as more beneficial..."

All is not lost: I was able to find another person who said a similar statement and replaced the statement to: "Wildlife Magazine points out that controlled burning is now recognized as more beneficial, and that forest animals...". Thank you for understanding. --Starionwolf 02:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe the Secretary of the Interior referred to was Bruce Babbitt, the 47th Sec.of the Interior. A History Channel show and Animal Planet show (titles??) have both featured him discussing the controlled burn and even have footage of him participating by use of a flame drip pot.  I'll see if I can track them down because the scene from Bambi is discussed in both shows.  I make a habit of keeping a notebook by the TV so that whenever it's on in the background and on an educational type channel, I can run to the TiVo, back it up and write down an important quote.  I'm sure the shows will air again - the one from Animal Planet repeats frequently and might be called Wildlife Defenders.  I';ll try and get a specific reference or find a quote from babbit from another source.Lisapollison 17:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a very badly-written article
Someone should remove all the promotional hyperbole. --62.255.232.158 15:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Could you kindly point to some examples? I will be more than happy to follow your suggestion. Thank you for understanding and have a nice day. --Starionwolf 22:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC) This might be the worst sentence I've ever read, promotional hyperbole or not: some hunting magazines, incl. Field and Stream have referred to environmentalists and certain "animal rights groups", such as PeTA as "Bambi Freaks", worse because his mother is shot in the beginning of the film and he is shot at in the film during hunting season, and this has caused people to state that "They're killing Bambi!" and worse, ticking off hunters every hunting season.

I've rewritten it, removing the non-factual material and added a citation needed.--The Grza 00:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Titles in other languages
The titles in other languages section is foreign to all general film and specifically Disney pages I checked (granted, I didn't check them all, but I looked at a good number). The section didn't really add much to the article and squatted right there in the middle. Anyone have a problem with its removal?--The Grza 00:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC) I do because (1) I'm a fan of this movie and most of the other Disney films(2) The section is on all the Frech Wikipeadia Disney articles and (3) I love lanugaes because(excluding English) they're all very interasting and so is thiss section.Put it back!On all Disney film articles!65.0.191.48(talk) 19:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hunting Magazines
Some Hunting magazines, have used the character AS a means to ridicule the environmentalists. One had a editorial cartoon depicting the deer on stage, with women dressed AS the title character, all saying, "Gimmie B.S.". I've seen this, worse in these magazines. One magazine that is notorious in this matter is Outdoor Life and another is Field and Stream. Martial Law 02:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Hunters stink though. They murder innocent animals for "fun". They don't deserve their bull clogging up an article like this. J&#39;onn J&#39;onzz21:03,8 September 2007 (UTC)

Set in present day?
"Bambi is the 2nd Disney animated feature to be set in the present day of its release (1942), Dumbo being the 1st." I'm a bit confused about this claim found in the trivia section, because in the complete movie there is no evidence for a specific time or era in what the movie plays. It can play in 1923 (publishing of Salten's book),1942(release of the movie), or even 2006. 22:33,8 March 2007 (UTC) I think it takes place on:3/01/05,the day the DVD was released in Brimingham,AL.70.146.254.236 (talk) 20:51, 31 September 2007 (UTC)

Errors in actor links
The link for one of the voice actors goes to an English professor who was born in 1938, and was not likely the voice of the Adult Bambi character.

Additionally, the actor listed as the voice of Baby Bambi is actually a pro-hockey player and current equipment manager for the Atlanta NHL franchise. Hard to imagine a 50-year old former child actor winning the Stanley Cup.

Homophobic?
I was caught unawares when I read this line in the intro:

"The main characters are Bambi, the young homophobic roe deer prince of the forest..."

I thought maybe I'd missed something - was Bambi homophobic? --Recurring 14:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC) It looks like that's some vandalism that occured. That'd be weird if there were homophobic overtones to the film. Benfergy 04:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Too Much Trivia and Citations
This article lacks a definite amount of citations, and alot of it seems to be POV. Also, the trivia section really needs to be cut down, added into the article, and is lacking alot of citations as well. Disinclination 05:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Who Killed Bambi?
Who did it? and why isn't it mentioned in the article? - Deathrocker 13:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC) It wasn't Bambi who got killed, it was his mother. He does get shot, but only temporarily. He finally gets to his feet, after some coaxing from his father. MHarrington 22:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC) No one technically killed Bambi. It's the Sex Pistols, remember. Twitterpated. (talk) 22:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Apocryphal?
Strictly from memory - actually aided memory, I was less than 10 years old at the time. It is my remembrance that Bambi was premiered in the small Lincoln Theater in Damariscotta Maine and I was at that premier. One of the Disney animators was from Maine, and was influential in the selecting of Bambi as an animated production, and 'I have heard' that s was he, as one familiar with white tailed deer, who urged the change of species[Added: and location, to New England, specifically Maine]. The word at least in my area of Maine was that Disney, as a way of thanking that animator [I will get the name] did the Damariscotta Maine premier. Can anyone confirm this or blow away one of my childhood 'memories'?--Dumarest 12:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Knew I would remember - the person who talked to Walt was a Maurice "Jake" Day, illustrator from Damariscotta Maine. By the way, my wife also remembers that 'premier'. --Dumarest 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Section
Since wikipedia does not advocate lists of trivia in articles, I'd like to suggest that we comb through the list and separate the entries into two catageories: Notable facts which should be facts about the film and, Bambi in popular culture which should be just that, references to Bambi in popular culture. Anything not fitting into one or the other should be deleted or integrated into a section of the article. Anyone agree?LiPollis 22:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

That's actually not a bad idea at all.Twitterpated. (talk) 22:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Alleged errors
"The 4th also occurs on the meadow. When Faline and her mother are running away from Man,the other deer in the shot change colors." This is surely not an error but made on purpose. This color-shifting techique was used in "Bambi" to focus the attention of the audience to the main-characters.

About the color thing,if that was the reason than I'm sorry because the DVD came out when I was in 3rd grade and ever seen we moved accross the street last year,I've lost both it and the Masterpiece copies I have.So,now I only have my Classics Video Version and in 4th grade,I stopped watching the movie because I'd watched it a Millon times and I didn't watch it again untill after we'd moved. So that's why I'd forgotten that they changed colors in all versens.

"There is also another error in the scene in 'Bambi' when it's snowing heavily and he has just lost his mother.In that scene, after the Great Prince says 'come, my son' and they are both walking away, you can see the Great Prince's mouth move just a little bit, even though he isn't saying anything.This is because the original script for this scene had more dialog, but was later changed."

No other source about the movie "Bambi" of the last 64 years, only this very new little preview of "Bambi II" on the 2005 DVD-Edition of "Bambi" contains this claim. It was not even mentioned in the "Making of..."-documentation on the second DVD of the Platinium Edition of "Bambi", in spite that this documentation shows us a huge lot of planned, and later cancelled scenes (The bee in Bambi's stomach, the dead hunter, the ants, the cricket and so on...). So why is it that we have no info  about this (alleged) important, but later cancelled part of the movie in the DVD-documentation? Even the book "Walt Disney's Bambi - The story and the Film" written by Ollie Johnston and Frank Thomas, two of "Disney's Nine old Man" and two of the most important artists that worked on "Bambi" did not mentioned here something. And this book shows us a huge lot of planned and later cancelled scenes and ideas too. For example:"Did you know, that it was seriously discussed to kill Thumper in an earlier version of the movie???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Dialogue and music (this was mentioned in the DVD-documentation too) was planned before the making of the final cel-drawings started. So the cels of the movie are painted after the planned dialogue was already complete. This is sometimes vice versa to the work on life-action movies, but common for feature films.

An animated movie was created in a different way to an life action film. The artists did not draw and paint complete scenes, dozen, maybe hundred or more workers works for weeks, months, and later it was cut out in minutes and throw away?? When scenes are cancelled, the scenes looks more like a storyboard (like the two deleted scenes show on the DVD-documentation). In this phase of work falls the decison to cancel or to use a scene. When it shall be used, the workers start now to draw in-between pictures and paint and color th final cels. To cancel a scene when it was completed, is throwing a lot on money out of the window! Far more money than to cancel a scene of a life action film. This was confirmed in the book "Walt Disney's Bambi - The story and the Film" too: Thomas and Johnston mantioned, that all already completed animation work was finally used. Only earlier scenes, still only concept-drawings,are cancelled. But,if you look on the end of the scene... you can really see, that the Great Prince moves his mouth without saying something! So what the heck is going on here!?

This had nothing in common with a alleged "deleted dialogue". The moving of the mouth of Bambi's dad without saying something is only approx. one second. How many alleged dialogue will fit in this time? Here is simply the audio/video unsynchronized. See the end of this seminal scene again: The audio signal starts approx. a second before the video signal. I guess, the sentence "Your mother can't be with you anymore" shall start with the "camera" showing only Bambi, but audio starts already when the Great Prince was still showen approx. 1 second (saying "Your mother...", but without moving his mouth here!! Another proof that only audio/video is unsynchronized), and then follow the cut and the next shot show us Bambi and the audio was completed with "...can't be with your any more".

The unsynchronized audio/video follows up now until the end of the scene. And the great Prince says "Come" (the "camera" already holds on Bambi now, when it shall change to the great prince, or vice versa, tha audio starts 1 second earlier than the changing of the scene). The following "My Son" was now in the mouth-moving that was drawn for the dialogue-part "Come" and the mouth-moving for the part "my son" was now left without any dialogue. This is the claimed "missing dialogue"! Nothing more! After this, both vanishing in the snowstorm and say nothing (and did not move her mouths) more until the end of the scene.