Talk:Bambi/Archive 3

References to use

 * Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.



Illustrator of Bambi
French Illustrator Xavier Saint-Just did the famous paintings of Bambi for the book. I've created the article for Xavier as best I could, I can't find much information on him except that he continued to illustrate up until the late 60's. I think it may have been a pen name/alias. It's very hard to find supporting references to him on the internet. Anyways this article on Bambi should probably link to him somewhere. I can't really think of how or where to edit it into such a large article, I'm sure some clever person can. Abacusbox (talk) 12:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Why? He didn't have anything to do with the film. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Popular Culture
Field and Stream and Outdoor Life, other hunting magazines say that this is a representative of what they call "Animal Rights Nuts". One even had a toon with women dressed AS the title character saying "GIMMIE BS!". I had copies of these magazines that I had found. This toon was in one of them. Powerzilla (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think that is something that really belongs in this article, as it's more a reflection of those magazine's editorial stance than anything actually in this movie. Personally, I think anyone who tries to make political hay out of a children's animated movie is a little desperate for attention. (The Seven Dwarves, were they gay or what?) Beeblebrox (talk) 00:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that it does not seem relevant enough for this article. Lots42 (talk) 22:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

"Reception" section
The section title "Reception" seems to focus solely (uncited, mind you) on Bambi's mother's death. Are there no reliably sourced critiques of the film that can replace this information? Box office info? Someone to back up these claims of traumatizing little children? Anything? Cactusjump (talk) 22:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Since no sources have been found that can verify that this film traumatized children, I'm preparing to do major cleanup on the section. The weasel-wording causes the section to lose all its credibility. Cactusjump (talk) 19:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cleanup done, found more reliable sources at Disney's own website. Cactusjump (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh man...I see the link goes to a "Coming Soon" webpage now, as they are reconstructing the site. Bummer. Cactusjump (talk) 16:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Another source
= How to Be Like Walt page 152-155 has more production info on the film. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

ITV2 censor
The link to the source is dead, and I'm slightly sceptical that it happened. I googled a few possible search terms, but the only sources have used Wikipedia to make the claim. Can we get a valid source for this or remove it? Nja 247 22:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Bambi - forest
I don't know a lot about the production of Bambi, but it is commonly told in San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina, that the drawings for the trees of the forest in Bambi were done there. There is a kind of tree called an Arrayanes that has striking red bark that grows in profusion on an island in Nahual Wapi Lake. Apparently the crew of the Bambi movie went there to draw the trees, and indeed, in looking at the film and the trees, one could easily imagine that this is true. This story needs a reference - I am too far away, so I hope someone from Bariloche can confirm this.

Sookevista (talk) 00:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)Sookevista

Diamond Edition release date...
Disney's official Beauty and the Beast website has announced that Bambi: Diamond Edition will be released in Spring of 2011. It has also been announced on UltimateDisney.com. Koolz03 (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bluerose64, 12 July 2010
editsemiprotected

Change reissue dates to "Bambi was reissued several times through each decade" as that makes a lot more sense. Same with the other classic Disney films.

Bluerose64 (talk) 14:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done I revised the entire section to improve readability and remove uncited, specific information. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 15:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll ask this here, since it's about reissues: Has this movie been edited since its original release? I saw Bambi in the theatre when I was a kid, and I seem to recall seeing Bambi's mother topple after the gunshot during their "running away from the hunter" sequence. It was a VERY powerful image for me, and I just wondered if Disney "sissied" it up a little in future releases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.186.68 (talk) 03:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bluerose64, 13 July 2010
Bluerose64 (talk) 08:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 14:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Bluerose64, 25 July 2010
Bambi was reissued to theaters throughout the decades for classic confirmation in a restored version even when it was on super8mm.

Bluerose64 (talk) 08:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide a suitable reliable reference for your statement so that we can add it to the article. Thank you. Chevy  monte  carlo  08:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Music?
No songlist at all?? 66.252.163.190 (talk) 02:32, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * In "Infobox film", the music was written by Frank Churchill and Edward H. Plumb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.159.114 (talk • contribs).

I second that request. 68.17.110.122 (talk) 01:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Please give a reference, and ask again. Thanks,  Chzz  ► 02:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

editsemiprotected
 * Does IMDb count as a reference? Or what about the opening credits to the film itself? 64.134.147.164 (talk) 17:56, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Depends, can you provide a link? A lot of IMDb is user input, so no. C T J F 8 3  chat 16:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Please use helpme for questions. Thank you, Alpha Quadrant    talk    17:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Budget
In Neal Gabler's book about Disney, the budget is said to be 1,7 million dollars. If that's a reference that's good enough, perhaps the number could be added in the article. 84.210.60.115 (talk) 15:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Release section
While Bambi has been released in several different home media formats in the past 20 years or so, no “Home media” subsection presently exists in the article. WP:FilmProject style guideline on Home media

The Simpsons Movie article & Transformers are two articles that I thought utilized the “Home media” subsection appropriately. Following the style guideline linked above, I’ve drafted a revision in my Sandbox: User:HipJorge/Bambi. I want to be transparent and make sure that everyone is aware that Disney is a client of my company, so I understand this may be a potential conflict of interest. Do you think my userspace draft would best fit as a subsection of the “Release” section (as seen in The Simpsons Movie), or under “Reception” (as in Transformers)? Thoughts? HipJorge (talk) 23:45, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to update you all on this... I've added some details about the diamond release in the "Release" section. If anyone has any questions or comments about the changes, I'd be happy to discuss them. Thanks! HipJorge (talk) 18:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Title of Wikipedia articles for book vs. cartoon
The current title of this article about Bambi as Disney cartoon is "Bambi" whereas the book's is "Bambi, A Life in the Woods." As a result, searches either internally on Wikipedia or externally (e.g., Google) find the cartoon before the book.

This situation seems improper. The book was every bit as popular as the cartoon (hence Walt Disney's decision to make the cartoon) -- and remains so. Also, it is the original work.

Therefore, unless someone else strongly disagrees, in 60 days I plan to change the name of this article to "Bambi (film)" and have "Bambi, A Life in the Woods" redirect to "Bambi" as the original source. Aboudaqn (talk) 14:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree that the book is the primary topic over the film. However, I am not sure if the film is the primary topic or if neither of them can claim to be the primary topic. The key criteria in the primary topic guidelines is what readers are most likely to be searching for, and there are no guidelines that say that the original work should come first. An exception can be made when the topic has educational value, but I am not sure if that is evident here. (For where it applies, the Hinduism concept avatar is the primary topic, even though most people may be looking for the 2009 film.) I would recommend requesting a move per WP:RM to determine a consensus. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 15:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The illustration for this article completely undermines your argument. Clearly, Disney felt the book held primary importance:  it dominates their original movie poster. However, if you prefer to go by standard Wikipedia practices, then you will of course accept the standard Wikipedia practice of citing what is effectively "[Book title] (film)" for this current entry of Bambi.  In which case, I will move forward with my proposed changes as of May 11, 2011.  Aboudaqn (talk) 23:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Top 25 Horror Films of all times
Time magazine lists Bambi among top 25 Horror Films of all times. This is of note. Bambi was cute, but also had poignant scenes of terror. http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1676793_1676808_1676840,00.html Natural (talk) 04:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)Natural

Edit request
Bambi was produced in 1934.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 10:20, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Spelling Mistakes!
I'm taking a break from work, and somehow found my way here. The production section, at least, has several awful spelling errors (eg. "medifore" for "metaphor").WPaulB (talk) 13:56, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed the mistakes in that section. In the future you can put the tag copyedit, with double brackets around it, in the section which will list it in the articles needing copyedit. If the whole article needs work on grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc, put the tag at the top of the article. DaffyBridge (talk) 00:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Directors / Writers
Bambi is one of those movies which has more than one credited individual for the direction and writing roles. That said, there isn't any valid reason (as Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, but a digital encyclopedia project so having an infobox "too big" isnt valid) not having this very basic and important information about this movie. The way it was (and the way you revered to) just dumps some writers together (one of which isn't even correct) and you don't understand from that who did what (and that's without even talking about the directors left out). Look at most film articles and you'll see a list of film companies in the infobox or even in this page, a big list of actors. If the information is valid AND important AND has a place for it in the infobox, it should belong there. --Gonnym (talk) 00:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * While I'm not inclined to disagree with your points, I am going to take issue with how you've approached this. You made a good-faith addition to the article's infobox, another editor undid the change and gave a reason in the edit summary, and then you reverted his undo and accused the editor of not acting in good faith. The better way to handle this is WP:BRD: you were Bold in making a change, another editor Reverted your change and now it's time to Discuss it on the talk page instead of getting into a revert war. Now, on to the subject at hand ...


 * What is the reason, in your mind, for the names of the sequence directors appearing in the infobox? Could they not be included in the "Production" section of the article instead? Again, I'm not necessarily against your idea, but I am trying to present alternatives. As to the citation issues, I looked at it and I think it can be fixed without the tags. In fact, while you're reading and responding to this (hopefully), I'll be working on that.


 * -- McDoob AU  93  00:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Seeing as how i edited also the lead section and corrected a mistake in the infobox, i believe the revert itself was wrongly done (with a reason which could have just as much been automated). It wasn't a removal of what he thought wasn't a corrected addition but it was an afterthought revert, removing the infobox addition and anything else that was added. As that was the case, i reverted to the first edit. The information -could- be placed in the production, but then, what would you leave in the infobox? This isn't a classic case of one directer as i said. What would you leave in the story section? IMO, we aren't here to decide who did what, or whose job is more entitled of an addition to the infobox, we are here to represent, as closely as possible, the contribution to the film. Adding to that, 10 more lines of code won't cause the page to look bad - the starring section is a proof to that. --Gonnym (talk) 00:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sticking mainly to the infobox, the intent of it is to be a summary, not a complete cast/crew listing. So really it should just be the lead director in the infobox, as it was before. As to the cast list there, I'd have no problem culling it down a LOT. -- McDoob  AU  93  00:38, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, and what about the writers section? --Gonnym (talk) 00:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cut out "Story Development" section entirely. Again, this can be worked into the "Production" section as needed. -- McDoob  AU  93  01:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 December 2011
Category:Children's books about death should be changed to Category:Children's films about death. The former category should be at Bambi, A Life in the Woods (which is the novel on which this film is based).

In the shining light (talk) 20:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

John Williams: Jaws
"John Williams claimed that Frank Churchill's theme music for "man" (which consisted of 3 simple notes) was one of the inspirations for the theme music in Jaws (which consists of two notes).[27]"

The reference (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/1999/14_Sep---A_Study_of_Jaws_Incisive_Overture.asp) doesn't even say anything about Bambi. Starman1984 (talk) 23:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate/repeated references
I notice that in the references list, several sources are repeated multiple times. Due to the list being so long, I'd like to clean it up some in the standard method of just naming references and then referring to each individual instance by name rather than listing the full details each time. I do have a question regarding the duplicate instances of the Hollywood Cartoons book by Barrier. Since no page numbers are cited for that book, is it OK to just cite it once and refer to that citation for each additional instance using the named reference, or should we try to get page numbers for it? Oldiesmann (talk) 06:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 February 2013
I find these lines in the Cast list:

Bobby Stewart as Baby Bambi

Donnie Dunagan as Young Bambi

Perhaps change Young to something like Toddler, because a baby is obviously young. (I don't know if this needs to be discussed.)

128.63.16.45 (talk) 19:34, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. I don't think the word "toddler" is typically applied to a deer. Let's wait and see what others think. Rivertorch (talk) 08:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Minor wording problem
'before parting there ways and falling to the ground' - should be 'their'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.94.74 (talk) 15:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * In terms of spelling, yes. However, it is preferable to have no word between "parting" and "ways", and now there isn't one. Rivertorch (talk) 21:11, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation for court case re Bambi copyright
Seems to me the article should name the case that it discusses in the Copyright section, Twin Books Corporation v. Walt Disney Company, and link to a source such as Findlaw that has the opinion, rather than to (or only to) an article that summarizes the case without naming it or linking to the opinion. &mdash;EllieMurasaki (talk) 21:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Is there a Mistake?
In the Reception section, it says "It is also listed in the Top 25 Horror Movies of all Time by Time magazine." It's in the last paragraph.

Is this a mistake? There's no citation either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirothereaper (talk • contribs) 19:35, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No mistake, and there is a citation, although the link is dead. I have updated it to link to an archived version. Rivertorch (talk) 20:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Tighten up the wording
"This was because the film was released during World War II and the studio no longer had access to many European release markets that provided a large portion of its profits.[22]"

->

"The film was released during World War II and lacked access to much of the European market.[22]"

(I like explanatory linkers of logic, but you really don't need one in this case. Para structure is clear, with a topic sentence as first sentence and then a couple of factoids obviously as supporting detail. 75.139.121.175 (talk) 13:37, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Changed per your suggestion. Rivertorch (talk) 17:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

???
Uh, oh. Why can't I edit this page? I want to edit it! I like Bambi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nahoc10 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I noticed a movie mistake in Bambi!
I haven't been able to find a goof page within my editing field, but in-case anyone else has accounts on sites that may contain lists of goofs - I've found a goof!

When Bambi tried to get over the log but fell over, Thumper crawled out underneath him, even though he wasn't anywhere near Bambi at the time, he was just off screen. So this must be a goof. --  C.Syde  ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 22:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2014
Tamqartvel (talk) 22:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Bambi was based on a Vazha Pshavela's novel called Bambi's tale. Pshavela was a Georgian (Republic of Georgia) writer who died in 1915.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 06:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Hunters killing Bambi's mother
Italic text

Isn't it illegal to kill the mother of a young animal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingeroscar (talk • contribs) 20:04, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Unlock
Or correct spelling errors please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.131.164.38 (talk) 00:50, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Judy Hetherington the number one fan.
Judy was the number one fan of Bambi. She wrote pice  a like Bambi  that was never published. When on drives in the woods with her family she would often say, "Cann't you just see Bambi running and playing through the trees." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flipflarp (talk • contribs) 15:46, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Legacy
Bambi Meets Godzilla -- 'nuff said. 173.174.85.204 (talk) 15:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)Eric


 * Actually, quite a bit more needs to be said. Sure it has a character name, but was it inspired by the book or the film? How is it connected to the film other than by one of the character names? -- McDoob AU93  16:12, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Set in present day?
"Bambi is the 2nd Disney animated feature to be set in the present day of its release (1942), Dumbo being the 1st." I'm a bit confused about this claim found in the trivia section, because in the complete movie there is no evidence for a specific time or era in what the movie plays. It can play in 1923 (publishing of Salten's book),1942(release of the movie), or even 2006. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IlikeBambi (talk • contribs) 14:08, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Walt Disney Signature Collection
Bambi it's will be released on Blu-ray, part of the Signature Collection to celebrate the film's 75th anniversary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.222.93.115 (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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"Years Later,"
In this article, the timeskip to when Bambi is shown as a young adult is described as "years later", while white-tailed deer are generally 'young adults' and ready to mate by their second autumn, if I'm not mistaken. The movie doesn't really indicate that the fictional timeline is any different to that, so I'm going to go ahead and change it to "Next year" if there aren't any objections.

> Forgot to sign in when I wrote this. ValiantStag (talk) 19:16, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Dogs
The Dogs are voiced by Clarence Nash, according to several sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4701:C4A0:5C2B:5E08:2E3F:CCBE (talk) 13:10, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Potential rewrite
If I were to spend a long amount of time and rewrite this article from top to bottom, what would be some essential sources that I would need? TarkusAB talk 17:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It does not need rewriting so please leave it Atlantic306 (talk) 17:09, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Why not? It's not like it's anywhere close to GA or FA quality. Some passages are unsourced, it's missing information, and poorly paced. I'm not saying that all this hard work should be thrown out, but if several new large sources will be added, lots of passages will need to be rewritten. TarkusAB talk 17:35, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Bambi's species
The current Wikipedia article on Bambi states that his species is mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus). However, given the morphology of the deer in the story, which takes place in the Eastern US, they are usually considered white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus). I made this change, but it was reverted minutes later, the editor claiming my edit was "not constructive." So, three questions: 1) why was my change not considered constructive, 2) why is Bambi currently listed as a mule deer, and 3) what should we do to evaluate that claim? Gaddy1975 talk 08:33, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Without a source this change is original research, both in terms of species and purported location.Blitzcream (talk) 13:57, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I can only assume that you didn't even look at the source provided, which goes into some detail about both location and morphology. Better sources welcome, naturally, but this is neither unreferenced nor factually doubtful. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:50, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * To muddy the waters some more, here's some guy's further analysis - in essence, he thinks it's a fantasy deer. However, that source (open forum) is rather uncitable... -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:58, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I did. The source says “Disney has transformed Bambi into a mule deer”. There also nothing about the putative location of the movie.Blitzcream (talk) 07:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You confuse me. As per source: But Disney studios is located in Southern California, where the native deer are Mule Deer. [...] Disney has transformed Bambi into a Mule Deer. Seems pretty clear. I reiterate that the source is not great, but absent better sources of the same content, or sources that make a reasonable claim to the contrary, it beats "I have heard otherwise" or "I believe otherwise". -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:22, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * we’re agreeing. It’s Gaddy1975 who wants to make the unsourced change.Blitzcream (talk) 10:57, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

"live-action styled adaptation" internal link in the intro is broken
I'm guessing it's supposed to link to the [Computer-animated adaptation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambi#Computer-animated_adaptation) section since the dates match and they seem to be referring to the same thing (a photorealistic adaptation). Perhaps the section was renamed but the link wasn't updated. I would recommend not using the term "live-action" since it seems misleading.

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