Talk:Beautiful Katamari

Ironic, much
Last year, a few months before the Wii release, the head of Katamari development claimed the Wii was stupid(he didn't really say any facts but whatever). And then he started making play grounds. Now theres gonna be a Katamari on Wii. Does anyone know if the same guy is still working there or if hes still inactive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.157.192.144 (talk • contribs) 12:31, March 25, 2007
 * Although I don't recall any comments like that, It is not really up to whomever said that, as the creator said that there would be no more Katamari games. The power to make Beautiful Katamari (if it is true, oh please, oh please) lies with Namco. IF they want it, they can make it, without the other people's permission.Lamename3000 17:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, Keita Takahashi won't be involved in this one. He said the series was over and done, but Namco still owns the intellectual property, so they can keep making games. F User talk:FallenAngelEyes  A   E


 * Takahashi did say this, I remember it well- personally I think he was sick of being asked by members of the press if he would make Katamari for the Wii because "the controller is perfect"

Irrespective, the IP belongs to Namco and they will use it for profit if they feel there is such a market on said consoles.

As previously stated he's not working on the game, or in the games industry at present- he has some ideas but he was merely commenting. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.. in my opinion the game is so simple in concept a sequel would be pointless anyway. - Spence 07:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)|

Dates
Someone with the info on them really should add some month/year information to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.156.26 (talk • contribs) 16:32, March 29, 2007


 * They aren't specific enough, this early in development it would be unwise to put it in the meta data box as people are more inclined to take that as gospel instead of reading the text instead. - Spence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.142.252.143 (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
 * For what we know right now, I think it is fine to leave the date alone. If they get delayed, then we can fix it later, just like with any other game that gets delayed. Lamename3000 17:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there any other confirmation?
The first external link shows screenshots from the first game, and has very poor English. And pricing the game at $29.99/$39.99? I highly doubt they'd give us such a low price. Both of the links look kind of suspicious, and I haven't seen any mention of this from more reputable sources. As much as I'd like this to be true, I smell a false rumor. Are there any other sources of this? --Nintendorulez talk 18:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, the first source cited in the stub's text links to a blog that cites another blog post. The one it links to says it was removed at the request of Namco. If this rumor was true, I doubt Namco would try to pull stories about it. --Nintendorulez talk 18:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * From all I have read and can tell it's a very true release. First G4 talked about it in their news, on ther website and during one of their various shows. Other websites besides the orange lounge radio that pulled it did talk about this story before and after the fact and continue to do so. GameSpot has something about them registering the name Beautiful Katamari as well as other games officialy registering them not to long ago with the copywrite offices. The Blockbuster Video computer showed the game as being an upcoming game for the Xbox 360. Namco asking for it to be pulled from Orange Lounge does not mean that it's not official. Most time companies don't want rumors and too much influence out there on something that they themselves haven't made 100% public yet. The site was generating a lot of attention and it's probably not the best to have your game microscoped and scooped before you are ready to have it officialy out there. Namco has not released a statement saying that the game isn't coming out. All they have said is no comment. And if the game wasn't real they would say that the rumors aren't true. Why would they want people to think they are making a game that isn't coming out ever? That wouldn't be the best move for a company to do. All I know is it's been mentioned and verified in a lot of places so far that are pretty reliable and Namco themselves only asked for that blurb to be removed from one site but has otherwise said that the game is coming out on all 3 systems. So I don't know how many sources you want to be placed here but I see more then enough that would verify that this game is coming out and official. My advice is to be patient and not make guesses on to why Namco had the story removed and any more news on the game that comes out we will place here. PantheraLeo 19:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've seen no proof this game is a hoax or anything. As for the pricing, if I recall correctly: the first 2 console Katamari games were cheaper than most games right from the start. The exception was the PSP Katamari game which was full price (which was a bit weird, considering it was a dumbed down Katamari handheld game with alot less content). RobJ1981 19:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That's one of the bigger reasons I got a PS2, for the two Katamari games. It helped that they were so cheap, too. The prices here sound right. And I do agree that it is highly doubtful that the game is a false rumor. EDIT: I need to remember to sign my comments. Sorry. Lamename3000 04:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

10 000 km
I think you start smaller than 1m, as in the gameplay video, when the guy was 1m43, there was 15min on the clock. The important thing is that it looks like three quarters of the time had already expired by that point! If he needed 45 minutes to get to 1m, then you must start a lot smaller than we've seen previously.Nagyss 02:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC) Oops, a great big never mind. Because the clock works differently now (I think) so you could just start with 16min.Nagyss 03:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Exclusive to Xbox 360?
Is this article now incorrect? Newsweek Game columnist reports "

"the We Love Katamari sequel, Beautiful Katamari, would join the ranks of Xbox 360 exclusive titles, the pattern was impossible to deny. We've since confirmed that an exclusivity deal between Namco and Microsoft is very close to fruition, likely to be announced at the E3 Media and Business Summit in July. "

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/06/14/how-microsoft-got-beautiful-katamari-exclusivity.aspx

While this is rumour, their has been no PS3 annoucment either. This would say the article may need to be changed to reflect this.

136.2.1.153 17:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The info is already in the article under "Unofficial reports". While the "will" statements could be softened in the lead in light of this report, there was an actual announcement by NAMCO BANDAI Games America regarding a PS3 release, and that official position has not been changed yet. Dancter 17:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I recommend that we keep the page based on the last best info direct from N-B (that there's PS3 and 360 to come), as the "360 exclusive" content is a bit muddied, not the source, but the conflict between a disk-game and an XBL title. As the original cite suggests that E3 will announce the N-B / MS exclusivity for several titles, I suggest waiting until that point to either confirm or deny the PS3 version. --Masem 18:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

360 only according to Namco factsheet http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/20/beautiful-katamari-fact-sheet-shows-only-xbox-360/


 * Try getting to the source of non-official news. Joystiq got this from Siliconera.  Siliconera nowhere mentions where it got this so called official fact sheet.  The link on the fact sheet takes us to the official American Katamari site.  But nowhere on that site is Beautiful Katamari listed.  The official site of Namco Japan still has Beautiful Katamari listed for both PS3 and Xbox360. --87.244.189.162 23:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * How many more references could we possibly need before we classify this as an Xbox 360 exclusive? First we had a rumor, then we had a reliable source (GameSpot) confirm it, and now we have official confirmation via a fact sheet from Namco-Bandai. I'd say this is pretty much and open and shut case. --156.34.86.50 12:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * GameSpot isn't reliable right now as they first said it was an XBL title though they backed off and corrected it. But more importantly, N-B has now said two conflicting answers regarding the PS3 nature of this title, with the second (xbox-only) not yet directly attributable to them; the fact sheet is something scanned in and could have been a forgery.  As the Newsweek's guy blog suggests, if there is this big MS/N-B exclusivity deal, it will likely be announced at E3, which is RSN.  At that point, we have enough details to say that if the PS3 version (which N-B seemed pretty stoked about in the original press about this game and thus seems weird to drop) no longer is planned.  --Masem 13:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Now the Wii version is being talked about again. Thank god. LN3000 22:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Everyone needs to stop modifying the Platform section of the infobox. Right now, there are too many rumors flying around to say one way or the other whether or not the game will be on the Wii or the PS3. Only the Xbox 360 is confirmed right now, so let's just leave it at that until more information becomes available. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t · c ] 16:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Please check the official Namco sites. Namco Bandai Games America doesn't have it listed.  The Japanese Bandai Namco Games Channel however has it listed for both platforms.  How more official can you get?  Platform box should mention both XBox360 and PS3 unless something changes to the official Namco sites.  --87.244.189.162 23:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Technically the PS3 version hasn't been denied by B-N, though I've seen two separate sources that say this is true (the one already linked in, another that rumors that B-N dropped the PS3 for the Wii (if so) due to lack of platform sales). The word is that E3 will confirm or deny any of these, so I agree not touching the platform in the infobox is the right idea; I just think the PS3 should still be there since the last official word was that there was a PS3 version --Masem 17:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Well the Japanese site for Beautiful Katamari now only lists Xbox360, so I think its no longer a rumor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.74.105 (talk • contribs)


 * Indeed it does, so the page will reflect this. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 05:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As the game is no longer listed on the official Namco page and the official beautiful katamari page we can finally end the discussion on which platform it is going to be released. I would agree if someone would remove the word 'rumor' on the page.  Maybe the section could say the following : "Playstation 3 release cancelled, Until 6 july 2007 there were multiple rumors that Beatufil Katamari was cancelled for the Playstation 3.  Namco Bandai was going to make an official announcement at E3 2007.  Namco Japan still listed Beautiful Katamari on its games catalogue page.  On 6 july 2007 the entry for the playstation version was removed, confirming the many rumors." What do you think, could this end the constant bickering about on which platform it is or isn't going to be released? Maybe we could add a section about Wii rumors until there is an official word or do we leave all Wii references out of the article? --193.75.228.252 08:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The Wii references should not be a part of this article. What fans want to happen does not affect what did happen.  For all we know, Namco never planned to release the game for the Wii and it was only fans that wanted it released who added this information. Unless a credible source states a Wii port was in the works, let's keep the speculation out of this. White 720 19:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't the latest issue of Famitsu say that the PS3 version was canceled in favor for a Wii port? Is that a credible source? LN3000 01:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, this is out of hand. Everyone has been re-adding the Wii information. Again, we decided that until the official website shows that the game is also coming out for the Wii, the page will ONLY say Xbox 360. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t · c ] 22:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh? Who's decided that? I'm seeing more and more websites that are CREDIBLE saying that Namco has officially confirmed that the PS3 version is no more, and instead will be brought to the Xbox 360 AND Wii. Official websites do not always get updated as fast as they should, so if you have the news that is reliable and credible, you are able to add it, if proper citations are used. G4 and Famitsu both say that Namco says a Wii version is coming, I think the platform box needs to be updated to show that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamename3000 (talk • contribs)
 * The latest official announcement from Namco-Bandai says specifically "exclusive to the 360" (this is their pre-E3 literature). This is the most verifiable source, and "exclusive" usually means "no other consoles".  If they are going to announce a Wii version, that may come this week with E3, it may never come, but because we have a conflict in the most reliable source and several other normally-reliable sources, it's better to default to the most reliable.--Masem 16:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * First off, sign your comments. Second, "credible websites" are second to the official company; what's more official than from the people that develop and license the game? Rumors are rumors until they're officially confirmed. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 17:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, everyone makes mistakes and forgets to sign, back off a bit. Second, I have not seen ANY official documentation that says that it's exclusive to the 360, so I think the article needs to be readjusted. Any sources I see that say it's exclusive fail to mention that the source they are getting their info from DO specifically mention it's coming to the Wii as well. As I've said, things will be cleared up this week. Both of you work on your attitude. LN3000
 * Well, at this point, NB has stated there's no PS3 version anymore, there's still a 360 version, but absolutely no word officially from them about a Wii version in either direction . I took a look around and I will back off that NB saying "exclusive" as that's the words everyone else has put into the reads, but still, the only version we can verify to add to this page is the 360 version.  If there was a credible source from NB directly or from one that has interviewed an NB developer that has said "we're now working on a Wii version", that's enough to include the Wii, but right now, the Wii sources are all speculation, and we should not be including Wii as an official platform for the game. --Masem 00:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the current article is the way it should be. Sometimes you can't rely on official announcements, as they are sometimes way outdated. You need to remember that this whole article started way back when Orange Radio announced the game that was set for all three systems. Now, here we are with the game rolling on its way. Also, remember that Sony denied a PS3 price drop until they were ready to confirm it for real, so you can't be stubborn and only accept the official word and not include something that other sources that are credible as well say.LN3000 17:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Wii edits
What's the general consensus in this matter? The official Namco bandai site is still not listing a Wii version in its catalogue. So is it acceptable for it to be listed in the general information box or do we wait until Namco Bandai has it listed for Wii in its catalogue? As far as we know the Wii reports could be about a totally different Katamari game.--Stef Nighthawk 18:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It should not be presented as a Wii game, yet, so nothing in the lead paragraph or infobox. However, any sound sources that suggest a Wii version is in the works can be added (there's a section for this after the PS3 one), as long as the tone is that this is yet an official announcement of the game.--Masem 19:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm a little surprised that noone had spoken up about Blackbird3216's changes regarding that matter. Dancter 22:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * All the signs can point either way. Whatever the case may be, there is enough information to keep it listed as a Wii game until otherwise stated. There have been no exclusive statements, and there have been no denials. There is enough information in the article that whomever reads it will understand the current status. I think the article is fine left as it is. LN3000 23:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Which you already stated above. We're all entitled to our own opinions. I feel the article is overstating things a bit. A Wii version has not been definitively confirmed, but the coverage in the lead and listings in the infobox imply otherwise. While becoming "wrong" is an inevitability with changing information, Wikipedia articles should be aspire to a higher standard than the "best guess" at the moment. Ideally, even if things change, Wikipedia information would be presented in such a way that new developments don't make the article instantly false. Dancter 00:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In reply to the "no statements about exclusivity" bit, there actually have been. During Microsoft's E3 conference they expressly stated that Beautiful Katamari was coming as an exclusive. Sure Microsoft isn't Namco Bandai, but one would think that they'd know it was exclusive for a fact before stating it. Then there's all other material, articles, etc, which all state it as an Xbox 360 exclusive. In my eyes this one is confirmed, after all some minor rumblings of a possible Wii version months ago, do not a game make. --156.34.71.94 09:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * N-B is the authority on this, and as noted in their articles, titles that are 360 exclusive are called this (and a MS/N-B exclusivity deal was a big thing to be expected at E3), but BKatamari is not one of those. I will point out that I believe Sony called the Unreal Tournament 3 to be "exclusive" to the PS3 which Epic Games had to backtrack on to state it was a timed exclusive, eventually coming to the 360.
 * Basically at this point: Everyone including N-B says there's a 360 version, so obviously that stays, and that the PS3 has been put on indefinite hold, so that should be removed. We have a CEO of N-B saying a Wii version is in the works, but there is no announcement of this at E3 or anywhere else.  Thus, for the time being, we should consider for factual purposes that this is a 360 game (but not necessarily exclusive), and everything else to support the exclusiveness or the Wii version should be added as reports to the article.  Likely more details will emerge once we near the release date for this. --Masem 13:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Microsoft never once during their media briefing said it was an exclusive. They included it in their montage of upcoming games, but did NOT state it as an exclusive. LN3000 14:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm almost certain they did, something along the lines of: *Montage of games plays (Beautiful Katamari among them)* after which Peter Moore says "and all of those games are coming exclusively to the Xbox 360". Of course I'm paraphrasing, but that's how I seem to recall it. Now I could be wrong, I'd have to check the feed to be sure. --156.34.94.163 10:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Moore is not a Namco-Bandai representative, and given that there's a conflict in what NB says (which, again, while they call out some titles as 360 exclusives, they in the same breath don't call BK a 360 exclusive, just a 360 game) and Moore (assuming what you recall is correct), I'd still go with the official source. Again, Moore could have also been doing what Sony did with UT3, and using "exclusive" to mean "timed exclusive" which doesn't preclude a Wii version or even restarting the PS3 version later. --Masem 13:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should watch that media briefing again, as he never said it was exclusive at all. They, of course, tried to imply that it was, but the game has NEVER by any real source, said to be xbox exclusive. All the sources only say that Namco only lists the xbox 360 version, and the other sources say that a Wii version is in development. There really is no reason that based on the history of this game and it's news that the Wii version can not be listed. LN3000 20:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The Wii version can be listed, but keep it in the proper section - Wii development rumors. It does NOT belong in the infobox or the opening sentence - nothing is official yet. Wait until confirmation by Namco before treating it as fact. SeanMooney 20:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, it shouldn't be in the infobox. Development is one thing: confirmation is another. Until the game is confirmed for the Wii properly, it shouldn't be listed in the infobox. RobJ1981 20:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It really is foolish of you guys to make a big deal about this. There is enough information available to safely add Wii as a platform. Most of the article talks about the Wii version. You are sending mixed, and possibly wrong, signals to the reader if you only list the 360 as a platform. LN3000 23:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * But if we put the Wii version in and find out later it was canceled, that means we also set wrong signals; this is why the PS3 cancellation is noted heavily in the article because it was fully expected and announced by N-B that there would be a PS3 version way back.  Any word on a Wii version has been happenstance and nothing direct from H-B so keeping all the news of it on the page is fine, but we'd be doing a disservice to put it in the infobox or lead paragraph. --Masem 23:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Big deal! If things change and the Wii version is denied, it's not going to be a big deal to fix the article. Right now, based on the information that is available, there is no reason to not say that a Wii version is on it's way. LN3000 23:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Then you might as well go into every single article about a game that has not been officially ruled out as a Wii port and add "Wii" as a platform -- you can always remove it later, right? The use of "they haven't said it's not in development" is not justification for inclusion here.  Frankly it smacks of the Law of Attraction: if enough editors claim a game will come out for the Wii, I guess that will make it so. White 720 00:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's not edit war over a little thing: a few words in an infobox. Development doesn't officially make it a game. Many games in development have been cancelled, or moved to other systems, so let's not assume. When the game is listed on Namco-Bandai or Nintendo's website as game (or another reliable source): then list it in the infobox. It's misleading to list Wii in the infobox: when all we have is development rumors/notes to back it up. We need more information, then it can be added to the infobox. RobJ1981 23:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The infobox really doesn't bother me. Infoboxs aren't extremely extra useful anyway. No one is trying to start an edit war. LN3000 23:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't try to be sneaky by putting it in the infobox in a comment note. If the infobox doesn't bother you: let it be. Even if no one is trying to start an edit war, it's still an edit war. You and Sean reverted each other a few times. RobJ1981 00:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Wasn't trying to be sneaky, I thought it would be ok for it to be commented until we knew otherwise. LN3000 19:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why has no-one commented yet on the fact that the Wii development could even be a totally different Katamari game. If you consider the different control method and machine power the levels could be completely different.  Ask yourself why the PSP has a completely new Katamari game and not just a port of the PS2 version.  That question could easily be applied to the Wii too. So leave it out of the infobox and let it remain on the rumor section. --Stef Nighthawk 14:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Because wikipedia is not a crystal ball. The PSP version was a completely different game, story wise and everything. Machine power really is not an issue, if you really think about it. It's not like the new game requires a ton of 'machine power.' LN3000 19:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You just told us the only reason why Wii should not be put into the infobox yet : Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Stef Nighthawk 10:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You are twisting things around. The whole thing about Wii is not about trying to predict the future. We have sources, we have solid, citeable information. LN3000 15:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems the sources are not solid enough ie rumours. Otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion about the Wii development.  --Stef Nighthawk 14:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Non-denial denials
Who is Orange Lounge Radio and why should I care? Any one blog or forum can post any unsubstantiated rumors, taken up by fanboys as a credible source, then posted on Wikipedia as a purported true statement. That Namco requested a takedown does not validate the source; to say so would be speculation, something that is not permitted here. I really look forward to the day this game comes out so we can delete all the reinterpretations and weaselly-worded fanboy tracts that pass for "history" in this article. White 720 17:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you complaining about? OLR is the place that first announced the game, that's substantial enough to stay in the article. Namco asked to remove the source for whatever reason, doesn't matter. The fact is, OLR was right, and the game is tangible, and that is why it is on Wikipedia. Quit complaining for whatever you are complaining about. LN3000 17:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * But it's not coming out for the Wii until Namco says so. Please stop adding vaguely-worded statements to imply that Namco is considering a Wii release when none has been announced. Namco said that Ace Combat 6 was Xbox 360-exclusive.  Namco did not say that Beautiful Katamari was or was not Xbox 360-exclusive.  Based on the lack of a specific denial, you can't confirm that there will be a release for your favorite game system.  Let's keep the fan-driven speculation out of this article. White 720 22:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you are a bit hypocritical when talking about 'fan-driven speculation.' LN3000 23:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you need to look up what "vandalism" means. White 720 23:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you feel your edit is appropriate. The way the article is currently is closer to the truth than what you are trying to force. Your version, technically, is wrong. Namco HAS commented about possibilities of a Wii version, and you really need to stop forcing me to revert your wrong edit. LN3000 02:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop edit warring. I think the next time I see it, I'm going to request protection. Use talk and discuss things: instead of edit warring by means of undo and/or reverts. RobJ1981 22:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

3RR - Mea culpa
I'm pretty sure I've violated the 3RR with my changes on this page recently, whether by the letter or by the spirit of the policy. I'm sorry about that. I will hold off, get away from this computer tonight, and let cooler heads settle this dispute. White 720 00:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Time to face facts
Beautiful Katamari has a demo, a release date, box art, videos, and an official web site claiming that it's coming out for the Xbox 360. Aside from a few stray SKUs on various on-line retailers, there is nothing on the web to suggest that this game is coming out for any other system. All we have is conjecture and spin from Wii fanboys who really, really want to believe that this game will come out for their system of choice. Could you please cite a current, credible source to prove that this game is coming out for the Wii? If you can't, then this game really is an Xbox 360-only game until proven otherwise. White 720 02:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The "proof", and it's not strong, is that when N-B put out their upcoming games press sheet for E3, BK was given "Xbox 360", but NOT "Xbox 360 only" for other titles like Ace Combat 6. It's not conclusive, but neither is proof that it IS coming to the Wii.  To me, it will be painfully clear once the cover comes out.  If it says the usual "Exclusively for the 360" like 360-exclusive titles have, then it's 360-only, but if it, we can't make that assumption. --Masem 02:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Beautiful Katamari is an Xbox 360-only game at this point - it hasn't been announced for any other platform. Until another version is officially announced, it should be treated as an Xbox 360 only title. (BTW the Dead or Alive 4 box doesn't say "Only on Xbox 360", yet is still an exclusive - that is not a good way to judge a games exclusivity). SeanMooney —The preceding  signed but undated.


 * I've re-added the "Xbox 360-only" category per the definition on its page: "Video games in this category have been released exclusively on the Xbox 360, and are not available for purchase or download on other video game consoles, personal computers, or mobile devices." Let's stop deluding ourselves. If the Wii version is confirmed, which is still possible, you can remove this category. White 720 05:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I won't touch it (unless, of course as noted, a Wii version is officially announced), it just bugs me that we argue about not including the Wii until it's officially announced, and this assumes "exclusivity", which in video game terms, usually means there's a business contract that strictly keeps the title on that one platform. But as you point out, there's "exclusive" games (usually indicated with the Only on the Xbox on the cover thought not a 100% measure) and then there's just games that have to date only been released on the Xbox; I agree BK (today) falls in the latter, not necessarily the first.  My concern is that by adding that there, you're going to have some Wii-fanatics/360-haters keep removing it because there's still the chance of the Wii version. --Masem 06:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't mind. There's been a lot of changing and unclear signs from Namco and other parties about this game, and that's led to a lot of speculation about this game in this article. As the game draws closer to release, the labyrinthine details of press releases and magazine articles and fanboy forums will shed away.  There's only a small number of fanboys here who perpetuate their own desire to see a Wii version, as if Reggie Fils-Aime will call an emergency press conference in October to show a completed version of BK for Wii to the public, then offer it for sale immediately thereafter. White 720 06:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you need to watch your "fanboy" hypocrisy. LN3000 06:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Lamename, if you can't come up with a good reason to include or exclude something, then please don't edit this article any more. Please be civil. Why do you think that this isn't an Xbox 360-only game? What evidence do you have that between now and October 18, 2007, a Nintendo Wii version of this game will appear? The only sites that say so are online retailers, many of whom still have a SKU for the PS3 version as well. White 720 15:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

If we can't reach consensus in this talk page about the description of this game as "Xbox 360-only," we can try some other options for mediation. White 720 15:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

GC 2007

Time for more confusion; I found an interview on gametrailers from the Games Convention in Leipzig where Namco Bandai say they don't rule out a PS3 version and that a Wii version is looked into for future titles. --Stef Nighthawk 20:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Quite illuminating. Dancter 20:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Exclusivity of a game prior to release
It is in dispute whether a game that has been confirmed for one platform (in this case, the Xbox 360) and is reportedly in development for another (in this case, the Wii) should be classified as "-only" for the former. The page for Category:Xbox 360-only games describes "Video games in this category have been released exclusively on the Xbox 360, and are not available for purchase or download on other video game consoles, personal computers, or mobile devices. The only exception to this rule is when a game has been ported from the arcade directly to the 360 and no other system." It does not, however, describe applicability of the category to games that are due to be released solely for the Xbox 360.


 * (repeating from above) - I agree at present it is an "Xbox 360 only" game - there currently exists no information that says there will be a version on another platform. However, by the category definition, which uses the word "exclusively" which intones legal, contractual issues for video games, there is also no proof that such exclusivity exists or doesn't exist.  I realize that compared to other (console)-only categories, this is using the same wording, and I'm unaware of any other game that presently falls into this situation to compare against.  So I agree that there's no need to drop the -only category until if such a time a Wii version is officially announced.
 * (Basically, there are games, by legal or contractual design usually with the console maker, are "exclusive" to a system; there are games, just because it's the only one they wanted to make for, that are available "solely" for a single system; I don't know if these -only categories need to make this distinction or not, or if I'm getting too much in word-lawyering for this). --Masem 17:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I would argue that the only games that need the "-only" tag are those that the game creator or distributor has declared to be as such. Unless a game has been specifically declared to be exclusive to one system, it seems fallacious and misleading to mark it as exclusive. By marking it as "-only," I think we are creating a rumor that may or may not be true. In a time when Wikipedia is so heavily relied upon by news sources and websites, I'm not sure we should have information that's not definitely true.


 * I'm trying to come up with an analogy that fits; let's see if any of these work. To me, it seems akin to writing "accepts only AA batteries" in a camera article, when the camera can take AA or NiCd batteries. Maybe that's not the best one, but it's a start. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 20:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * HelloAnnyong basically expressed what my opinion is, perfectly. LN3000 21:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't even need to be a discussion about this. Beautiful Katamari perfectly fits into the single-platform software category (which "Xbox 360-only games" is a subcategory of). The game has only been announced for ONE platform (the Xbox 360). At present the game is an Xbox 360-only title: anything else is just rumor and speculation. It should not be treated as a multi-platform title until it's actually announced for multiple platforms! This is common sense IMO. The wording on those category pages should perhaps be made more clear, but the actual categorization is valid. SeanMooney 21:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's go with that. I'm willing to consider the other perspective. In any of those categories, are there any games listed that are (1) not yet released, (2) have not been exclusively declared to be for one system only, and (3)whose parent companies and/or licensers and/or developers do not have a binding contract to only release games for that system? That sort of game would seem to be a good jumping point. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 22:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Box art
I saw the Beautiful Katamari box art at the Namco booth at PAX 07 today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jweill/1233814354. The box bears an "Only on Xbox 360" badge. White 720 02:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That satisfies me that it's 360-only; only issue is that that's not really a verifiable source in the article itself, but once the Amazon box is out, it'll do the same job. --Masem 02:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Box art is up at Amazon. Uploading and replacing in infobox now. --Masem 02:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Really unfortunate. But it satisfies me now. I don't see why you guys couldn't wait for the official confirmation. Here it is, and so now everyone can be happy. Looks like I'll have to get a 360 eventually... LN3000 02:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bummer. Alright then, I'll give in. Glad my roommate has a 360... &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 04:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What's the advantage to the user to have an XBox 360 exclusive release? Of course, the game might be expected to be more fun when it was designed to take advantage of one console's specific features. But is there any indication that this is the case here? I think not. Are you guys Microsoft shareholders? Or are you just happy to have some ammunition in the schoolyard console wars? --217.232.218.170 10:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Olympics: if you win, you get national praise and a gold medal. White 720 21:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Folks, this is not the place to have this conversation. Let's keep on topic, please. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 23:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

New game type
You have put the 'Thingy Battle' as a new game type, however I believe who ever added that misread the article they sourced. The article said that the online component was new, not the 'Thingy Battle'. Also the 'Thingy Battle' already exists on We Love Katamari, though I am not sure if it goes by that name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.221.185 (talk • contribs)
 * I looked at the N-B press release and you're right, they suggest that it's not so much that thingy battle is new, but the ability to play it online is, but it is not written exactly to spell that out. I'll reword this. --Masem 13:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Very interesting
As was pointed out in the latest edit, it looks like Namco has re-added Wii and PS3 as systems for Beautiful Katamari. http://www.namcobandaigames.com/games/beautifulkatamari/ Of course, I am very excited about this news, since Wii is my main/preferred platform. It is still listed as TBD, but this really puts a damper on the whole "Xbox 360 exclusive" thing. LN3000 08:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sigh. The Japanese site still just lists the 360; the American site shows all. I don't know what that means for this page, but I have a feeling there are going to be some edit battles. I would say that everyone should calm down and hold off on edit/reverts, and calmly and rationally discuss this. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 13:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if this IS 100% verified for the PS3 and Wii, please don't go erasing the "ps3 and wii development" section. This is good information to be used in a development section after the game is completely released, and is still appropriate.  Right now, I think we should be treating this as "ok, it seems official, but questions still remain", and the few changes I made hopefully reflect that. --Masem 14:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I was very surprised to see that on Namco's site. Perhaps the "Only on Xbox 360" badge only indicates a limited-time exclusive. Without any formal announcement, though, it's hard to read anything into two "TBD" lines. White 720 16:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh. Have you seen the posts around here? Two lines is all it takes to set some people off... &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 16:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course. Gotta justify buying a $250 GameCube one way or another&hellip; White 720 16:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, the Wii is merely a more expensive Gamecube. :rolleyes: I don't know what your problem is. Excuse me for liking the Wii, why don't you go back to playing the Xbox (insert random number here). LN3000 07:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * White 720, don't add flamebait comments, please. Other people, please don't add fuel to the fire. If you guys want to have this conversation, take it elsewhere; it's offtopic. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 13:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I apologize for that unneeded comment. White 720 14:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The other platforms have now been removed from Namco's site - it lists just Xbox 360 again. Either it was an error or it'll be announced soon (later this month) at the Tokyo Game Show. SeanMooney 21:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, interesting. Since we now have no other sources, I'm going to remove it from the page. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  [ t &#183; c ] 21:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Very weird... Namco has now confirmed Eternal Sonota will be on the PS3. The game was originally supposed to be xbox 360 exclusive, but it was listed as PS3 TBD at the same time the Beautiful Katamari Wii/PS3 TBD was posted, both games' listings were soon reverted. So now one game from that 'leak' or whatever you want to call it has been proven true... I assume it's a matter of time until they do the same for Katamari. I just don't understand why they are being so tight-lipped about it. TGS is next week, so I guess we may or may not see the official information then. LN3000 17:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Release in Europe?
Does anyone have any information on a possible PAL release? I can't seem to find anything on the Namco UK website or anywhere else for that matter.--134.220.188.16 09:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * http://www.uk.atari.com/news/beautiful-katamari-for-xbox-360-rolling-into-europe-70.html, can someone please edit this in the article? Clamticore (talk) 11:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

DLC clarification
If I'm not incorrect, the DLC for this game is only available in Asia as of this date (1/18/08). Does anyone have any information to the contrary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.92.231 (talk) 02:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a copy of the game in the US, and I've downloaded two of the extra levels. I haven't been able to find reliable sources (besides the Xbox Live Marketplace itself) to substantiate this, but I know firsthand that DLC is available in the US. White 720 (talk) 02:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

"Required" Downloadable content
One of the achievments, as stated in this article, is a 1.5 million km Katamari. However, I have to argue that it does not require downloaded content in order to make the katamari that big. One of the things that doesn't get mentioned in the instruction manual or game tutorial is that you can actually make up to 10 different objects for each level, which is why objects always say 1st, 2nd, etc. before the name of the planet. Playing through most of the levels more than once, I was able to make enough stuff for the Cosmos that I built a 1,400,000 or so katamari. I didn't have 10 of every planet, but I'm sure if I did, it would have been enough. There is still the issue of some of the new cousins introduced on the Katamari website not being available except through downloadable content, but all of the acheivments are still possible. 12.77.9.69 (talk) 16:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The official description of the achievement explicitly states "Download stages and make a katamari over 1500000km." If you built 10 of each planet and created a 1.5M km katamari, would the achievement unlock anyway? White 720 (talk) 16:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps my sources are wrong, but I didn't read about "Download stages" being part of the achievement; As such, if that is a requirement then perhaps instead it should be noted that downloading the stages isn't necessary to make the katamari, but the achievement will still be incomplete.
 * On a side note, this effectively makes the achievement "download stages" by itself for anyone who has made a large enough Katamari. Additionally, I also have to note that the game IS incomplete without downloading, since some items in the collection can only be rolled up in downloaded stages, and on top of that NEW items not in the original collection get added.
 * In short, disregard my previous comment.

--12.77.9.69 (talk) 16:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

now PS3
There is a Beautiful Katamari for PS3 now, can someone please revise the whole article --Regular Mario o}8&#124;3) (talk) 18:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a PS3 game called Katamari Forever that is recently out in Japan and coming out soon in NA/EU, but that's not the same. White 720 (talk) 16:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

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