Talk:Boundary Estate

Naming
Im trying to find the reason for the name of each house on the Boundry Estate. Cookham House, Taplow House, Sonning House, Datchett, Henley, etc all appear to be Towns along the River Thames. Does anyone know, if this is the correct assumption, why these were picked?

81.158.250.64 18:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I did read that it was part of the original plan, and that it was a deliberate attempt to disassociate the new estate from its former past. HTH Kbthompson 09:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Merger
Arnold Circus is a stub, and is the location of the bandstand in the photo. Kbthompson 18:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

That's true, but I think Arnold Circus may be getting its own spotlight soon. The bandstand is now twinned with one in Santa Fe, and the Friends are quite active. I would hold off on the merger for at least a year. JamesLucas 17:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes to merge. per nom Hadrianheugh 23:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge, as the nominator I'd better make clear my position. If the situation changes, the article could be recreated in a year. However, I don't think two-one over a three month period exactly represents a crushing consensus to merge the two articles. Kbthompson 23:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wasn't Arnold Circus where all the druggies used to hang out? Colin4C 10:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment mainly street drinkers, but yes. Kbthompson 13:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge no need for a separate article. Regan123 (talk) 20:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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First council housing
"It is, arguably, the world's first council housing." Liverpool Corporation built St Martin's Cottages, 146 flats and maisonettes, in 1869 http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/mol/exhibitions/livingitup/foundations.aspx https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yCQ9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=st+martins+cottages+liverpool&source=bl&ots=FvQHeVRjhD&sig=FRLkyUoCdqc0sGZCX4wRNhPeqGg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSm6bZ9pvQAhUBCCwKHdqzCYM4ChDoAQhLMAk#v=onepage&q=st%20martins%20cottages%20liverpool&f=false Robocon1 (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice find- can we handle this a different way- I want the reference on the page and think the wording can be easily tweaked. Please re-tweak. --ClemRutter (talk) 15:27, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * We need a page- St Martin's Cottages have you got more info? I'll do stub later tonight. --ClemRutter (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

https://municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/liverpool-first-council-houses-in-europe/ Robocon1 (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_the_United_Kingdom#Council_built_housing I can't find any reference to the Boundary Estate being "arguably, the world's first council housing" (apart from sources probably quoting this Wiki article), but I think the origin for that line is here http://londonist.com/2015/02/worlds-oldest-council-estate-at-125-then-and-now "arguably, the world's first council estate". The Boundary estate wasn't by any means the world's first council housing - could it be the world's first council estate? It's a question of scale. Victoria Square Dwellings, with 270 flats, were built by Liverpool Corporation in 1885 https://www.architecture.com/image-library/ribapix/image-information/poster/victoria-square-municipal-housing-liverpool-prior-to-conversion/posterid/RIBA88747.html The Boundary had 1,069. I think this line needs editing to follow the Londonist claim of first council estate, rather than housing. Robocon1 (talk) 16:38, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

St Martin's Cottages wasn't the first council housing either. The City of London Corporation built flats for 160 families in Farringdon Rd in 1865. See pp. 42, 61 Tarn, J.N. (1973) Five Percent Philanthropy: An Account of Housing in Urban Areas Between 1840 and 1914 Cambridge, Cambridge University Press (follow link to book above). This is the earliest reference to public housing I have managed to find. Earlier tenements for the poor were built by housing societies and companies set up by philanthropists like Peabody and Waterlow: see Tarn, Chapter 2 and pp. 53- 55, Adam, T. (2009) Buying Respectability. Philanthropy and Urban Society in Transnational Perspective 1840s to 1930s Bloomington, Indiana Univ. Press https://books.google.no/books?id=a_gtMwdLqEoC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=waterlow+mark+st+tenements&source=bl&ots=HvjzDmXtIT&sig=Fj_ZYT4p1k3rXBx3g47GLb8GxRE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ1o6Y5rzQAhWBFywKHSiwBrUQ6AEIHzAA#v=onepage&q=waterlow%20mark%20st%20tenements&f=false Robocon1 (talk) 17:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)